From Red Lodge to Yellowstone on the Beartooth Pass, I was aggressively overtaken by a pack of ADV’s…5 or 6 of them. I’m running an S&S 129ci I built with Klock Werks. I noticed a decrease in power at the higher altitude. They had a higher seating position, were not effected by altitude, and their lean angles were SIK! Two had the Africa model, a BMW, I couldn't make out the rest. While in the Badlands, GPS sent me down a 20 mile dirt road with piped rumble strips at intersections. I made it but at an average speed of 10mph. Brutal. Thanks for the video. 👍 🔔 SKWID Rider’s Shipmate ET1(SS/SW/MTS) US Navy, Ret. Killmonger (Fat Boy, Stag 2) SilverBAK (Road Glide, S&S 129)
Spot on for all of the reasons you stated here. I recently sold a 2018 Goldwing DCT and opted for a Tiger 900. Honda rates all of the storage compartments at 20 lbs, there are panniers for ADV bikes that are rated for 30 lbs. Plus as you mentioned the ability to carry stuff on top of the cases! I was developing a type of hip pain due to the width of the Wing seat and my inseam. That pain is gone on the Tiger!
Currently looking to sell my Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer in favor of a Indian Chieftain or Roadmaster. After test riding one I could not believe how good they felt on the road. Sitting back and stretching out your legs, with surround sound audio. It can't be beat!!
I prefer them. I like to be able to stand up on the pegs. Big advantage. Stretch my legs. Get above the windshield. The seat height could be it only disadvantage for some.
This is only my second riding season (and I'm nowhere near retirement age) but after my starter bike I went for a Tiger 900 GT (the more "road-focused" adventure bike of Triumph's compared to the Rally, which is definitely more off-road oriented). I find it to be a great all-rounder. Comfort is great around the city--with roads that tend to be extremely bumpy the suspension just soaks it all up, and the rider position is incredibly agreeable. It is sporty enough for me. Even springing for the fully loaded trim (heated seats/grips, quickshifter) and getting luggage and crash protection it did not break the bank like I would imagine a similarly kitted touring bike from Harley would be. I like that if I want to go "minimal" for fun rides around town with no intermediate stops I can just remove the panniers and top box and get a pretty clean look. Only gone on a few multi-day trips but they were no problem whatsoever. Although I don't have personal experience with a tourer for comparison, I think the Tiger does everything well enough that I doubt I'd really find a tourer to be that much better than what I have.
Great points Craig. I agree with your points. Lighter, easier handling, comfort & storage capacity. I’ve always been intrigued by these bikes. I really like the Swiss Army knife industrial look. They look in their element when not entirely cleaned up while out on a long tour, versus how we would like to see our Gold Wings. The long developed quick Honda DCT sure is a joy though. The bike looks kinda nice too. A Lexus.
Great take on the ADV. I (Rich) can't comment on which bike I like better because I don't own an ADV. But for the type of riding/touring we do (living on the road) ...I must say out of all the bikes I've owned, the Wing will always be my preference. Again, great video.
Recycled bikes this year. Road glide for road glide, but my fat boy was either going to develop into a Lowrider or a Harley Pan America. I went with the low rider. Lots of personal preferences and timing…riding buddies. Even though an ADV would open up another 150% capacity of roads. I just don’t have the buddies/desire to pursue at this point. Maybe in the future.
I like to have a beverage within arms reach when I am riding. Unfortunately, I get dehydrated quickly and I like to be able to grab some water while riding instead of pulling over to grab a drink. I know a lot of people use camel backs, but I don't like the weight of it on my back. I don't ride off-road so I am not worried about the bike falling over with the cup holder
I traded my goldwing in for a R1200GS and love the change… the bike is not as heavy and I wanted a clutch… I’ve went semi long distances and am just as comfortable on the gs as I was on the Goldwing… without all the extra weight.. I love it and haven’t looked back… plus working on the gs is a lot easier bcs everything is just about right at ur hands…will be keeping this by for a long time…
Craig, I hope everything is going well with you and the family. The video is awesome you’re giving some very positive reasons for ADV ownership. Craig, you and I are somewhat the same height and I agree the sitting position on the ADV seems to be more comfortable than your average touring bike. Last put not least we have to factor in the weight of a tour vs ADV as we age. Also GiL keep up the good work. Craig, take care and ride safe !!!!
I’m on a ‘21 Africa Twin AS ES DCT. It’s like having a giant dirt bike that can carve twistys like a sport bike and then haul a heavy load over long distances like a truck. It’s not the fastest or the best at one thing but it does a lot of things very well.
Love the topic and your reasons offered are valid. Now, while style is subjective there is no denying the appeal, utility and overall awesomeness of the Large ADV "do it all" motorcycle. I'm going on record here in saying my Large ADV motorcycle experiences trumps my large touring bike experiences. As you know I'm on my 4th large ADV bike in the past two decades. And after my fairly recent an exceptional Honda Goldwing riding experience I can say that for me it's not even close. Especially as i age and my requirements change .The ADV motorcycles wins. Also for the record, and not unlike yourself I am no off road wannabe junky on a 600 pound BMW R1250 GSA. I ride this motorcycle on road 97% of the time. It just works, and the look has grown on me. Craig we are riding something special here and as much as i enjoyed the distraction of vlogging on my Goldwing which was very vanilla in comparison. I often keep the GoPro's in the cases as this ADV motorcycle is engaging. Thanks for listening. Gbewinginit and I am out!
@@GBeWinginIt Definitely agree 100 percent with your comments and perception. Although I love the Goldwing, I tend to reach for the keys to the GSA more often. It is just a pleasure to ride. Ride safe!
In 40 years of riding touring bikes I gradually moved up to heavier bikes. Started with a Honda CB 550 Four K with aftermarket windscreen and panniers. Ended up with a BMW K1300 GT. Than I wanted back to a bike that would give me the same basic feeling of riding a bike like on the Honda. I switched to a GS. It is the best touring bike I ever owned and I regret not having switched earlier.
I really enjoyed our trip to Americade with our ADV bikes, totally comfortable, easy to maneuver and fun. Love my Road Glide too though.................JB..
This video brought me to your page. I just bought a ADV bike and came from a touring bike and absolutely love the change. To my surprise I recognize the roads you’re on and see your local. I subscribe and have started watching your older videos. Good stuff
I generally agree. Get what suits your interests best. I chose a small ADV (KTM 390) with 19" & 17" tires. I love curvy back roads, will be on gravel/dirt at times, hate superhighways, generally no more than day trips. But if I want to camp/tour/travel? I could. Could I cruise a highway? Sure, careful of winds & passing semis. It's perfect for what I like, but doesn't limit me if I expand my style.
Great video and excellent points. I own a Goldwing and a Super Tenere. I prefer the Super Tenere due to its versatily....potential for dirt and gravel road riding while touring. However the Goldwing would be much better for 2 up tours
I ride alone so the GSA works well for me. 500 mile days are relatively easy. Took mine on a trip to Colorado Springs from ATL, 3 days out and 3 days back plus some time in between. I have the Lone Rider side cases on mine. I don’t seek out off road but I don’t shy away from it when riding. I know you can take a Harley down a dirt/gravel road but it just feels wrong. I love Harley’s and have owned a few, 2 of which were Road Glides. What I don’t like about them is they make my lower back hurt, they aren’t as easy to stand on as my GSA and the weight is a bit much.
Excellent video, I fully agree with you. I used to own a HD Electraglide Ultra classic, I sold it for the HD Pan America Special. This bike puts a smile on my face daily. The fun factor is never in doubt, I put about 15k a year on the bike and I find myself always looking for opportunities to get on the bike. I would add one more reason to get an ADV bike is the cleanup. With my Ultra I felt almost obligated to keel ot clean, where as the Pan America is sometimes dirty and because of the ADV style I do not feel guilty not to have washed it after coming in from the rain for example.
I ride a Gold Wing. A 1987 GL1200. Love it for long rides. Also ride a Honda Falcon 400. The Falcon is an ADV bike but is small. For long rides i'll take the Wing.
I use to ride chops and bangers in the old daze (pre 1982) but I won’t ride anything now that I can’t stand up on the foot pegs upright. The back and hips just can’t take it anymore. I’ve downgraded to a 650 ADV for comfort.
I think comfortable position is at least a little bit related to whatever you’ve gotten used to. I’ve heard people say that a cruiser position with feet out in front and hands up in the air feels odd to them. I’ve ridden 20k this year in that exact position and wouldn’t have it any other way
Very interesting video. I was surprised at some of the reasons, except for the versatility, which is what I thought would be your main point. I just finished a trip to Utah on my R1200RS sport touring bike, and I really found the limits of its ability to go off the pavement. I also have had an Africa Twin, which I found to be more difficult because it's tall. I love riding the RS on highways and back roads, but the versatility of a bike with dual-sport tires to go camping is the best argument, in my opinion. Thank you.
@@RetiredAdventureRider You bring up a good point that I didn't mention. The height of an ADV might be a disadvantage for some, but I love the flexibility
Love my GSA for getting out and exploring. It’s great on secondary roads, the handling is amazing, and I can load it up like a pack mule. I find it lacking in 3 areas - the top box is a lady’s makeup case compared to the Road Glide Limited or Goldwing, it is not comfortable for a passenger… wife hates it, and for truly long haul highway, my Road Glide Limited is way more comfortable.
So true. I didn't consider the passenger as I never ride with one. But you are 100 percent correct. The touring bike is way better when you have a pillion!
#6 - With an Adv, I can change oil in an auto parts or Walmart parking lot and remove wheels for new tires at a bike dealership. Oil changes and wheel removal requires a shop bay time for dealer maintenance, you may be waiting days if you can't DIY.
Thanks for this video. I’m 63 years old and started in this wonderful world of motorcycles this year after my retirement. I bought a Harley Sportster 883, but I really don’t feel comfortable on it. I’ve been looking at this adventure touring bikes, and they look great, more secure and more comfortable. Is there one in particular that you can recommend me? Thanks again for the video and ride safe.
I love my BMW R1250 GSA. They now have the newer model (R1300). I think BMW is a good choice if you have a dealer near you. The Harley Davidson Pan America is a nice bike as well. The best thing is to go to a dealership, and sit on the bikes. Make sure it isn't too tall for you. Lastly, I would definitely pick a brand that has a dealership network close to you so you can have the bike serviced if anything goes wrong. Ride Safe
I have a '21 Africa Twin DCT and it has only one very severe problem for LD touring - a nasty wind buffeting at the top part of the helmet. With the stock windscreen, it's literally so bad I can't focus my eyes at highway speeds (65mph+). To the point that it's dangerous to go above about 55mph. I've mostly fixed it with a National Cycle after market windscreen and Puig clip-on extension, but this is probably a problem on other ADV bikes too. Other than that, it'd be a shore-to-shore capable tourer with no problem....
I went from a cvo road king to a new 1200 rally pro triumph and I’ll never look back. I’m a tall guy so the tiger fits me much better and the versatility is outstanding. The Harley looks and sounds fantastic but that’s it. My ADV bike is ugly af and sounds like shit but the comfort and the handling are far superior even with the 21” front tier.
Price, price, price... Was considering a sport tourer (Tracer 9 gt) and adv's. Got a much better deal (by about 3K) on my Tiger 900 gt than I could get on the Tracer 9 gt. Use it basically as a sport tourer. Won't take it off-road as I have a dual sport for that.
I am a bit surprised by some of your reasons. I thought a touring bike would be the better choice. for quite a few of the 5. Even though I have never ridden a dedicated touring bike. I have a "Big" BMW R1200 GS. I fit the stereotypy ADV rider. Older guy going for coffee. Depends what you want to do with it. I wanted to do a bit of everything. So Versatility. I wanted to do a particular tour. To the Arctic Ocean and Alaska. So long distance, highway speeds and some off road dirt gravel mud. 1000+ miles. Most touring bikes or road bikes, not going to be ideal. Dirt bike dual sport. to much highway. ADV of some kind. I picked the GS. I find the GS very comfortable for me. I've never ridden a touring bike. so cant compare. It's more comfortable than a standard or sport bike. with much better wind protection compared to none. The big ADV was ideal for me. Others might find it to big, to heavy, to expensive. It is very heavy to move around, I can't push it up an incline. I have to be careful how and where I park. Goldwings are heavier but have a reverse gear. So do the really big BMW Tourers. I can lift it if I have to. Again its very heavy. It is expensive, I bought mine used so not to bad. Similar budget to a new Standard Bike. Box's came with it but they don't have a lot of capacity. The big aluminum ones maybe a lot better. I think a regular full size touring bike has probably got more capacity. It has a 20ltr tank. Gets about 200 miles range. good but 40ish miles to a gallon. It's in top bracket for insurance, so are most touring bikes. Expensive to insure. I am relatively tall. So I can flat foot it no problem. My taller friends also like big ADV bikes. The seating position works for tall people. I can stand up and stretch. It worked for what i wanted to do at the time. I kept the GS because I really like it. And I am planning or dreaming of new adventures. In the meantime, I ride it round town or just down the road for coffee. Its a very good touring bike. Mabey not quite as good as a touring bike. but still pretty good. No 1 Versatility.
Touring bikes definitely have their benefits. I think the wind protection is a little better on certain models. I like the larger gas tank of my GSA. But the versatility of the ADV bike is really what sets it apart
Todays paved roads will soon be tomorrows gravel and dirt roads due to low to no maintenance. America is quickbecoming a 3rd world country. That said, a japanese adv bike cannot be beat, reliability with the ability to navigate harsh unforgiving roads with ease and still lay down the miles on the good roads. Its a win win. This and the threat of a shtf situation one day was my reasoning for purchasing my vstrom 800de....
Your ADV is already on stilts with a high C of G, then load it up with everything but the kitchen sink? Good luck with that 😮. I'm lucky enough to own a Honda NT1100, tourer based on Africa Twin and it's Europe's best selling tourer for a reason. The 2nd generation has jus been announced and I've pre booked 1 already in HawkEye Blue. Shame it's not available over the pond. Stay safe.
And on the other hand...ruling out all the others. The touring bike is much more suited for a passenger as well.as well as usually having a much more anesthetic appeal.
I have a middleweight ADV and a touring bike. They both have their place. Yes, if you can only own one bike the ADV is the best compromise. Comfort is subjective. On a touring bike you have sitting options. Highway pegs , rider backrests, etc. Carrying capability is another it depends. You have a biased video. I built out a Honda Africa twin with all the touring option from Honda and it was in the mid 20s.
Sport Touring… I’m still leaning and riding more of my Sport Touring (Ninja 1000sx) then adventure (Africa Twin). Try A sport touring, lighter, nimbler, and relatively less expensive!
Here are 5 reasons you want to consider a sport tourer instead of an ADV bike: 1. The seating postion of a sports tourer is actually more ergonomic than an ADV bike. 2. Cornering performance. Taking a corner with a 21" front wheel is never going to be the same as a true road bike. 3. Sitting at high speed for longer periods of time is simply more confortable due to aerodynamics. 4. Looks. A Sport tourer simply looks better. Yes subjective. But who on earth can say an ADV is prettier than a sports tourer? 5. You will not go offroad anyway and have a pretty bad roadbike in an ADV that turns worse, less grip and not as fun on tarmac. Any bike will do a gravel road. Trust me.
Good information. I would have thought that a sport tourer would be less comfortable as you are slightly leaned forward for extended periods of time. Any pressure on your wrists?
I came to this video and was going to defend the Harleys I have actually toured on, but after this comment it makes me want that Ninja 1100SX even more.
@@craighanesworth It depends on the person but sport tourers typically have a more upright position than a sports bike but not as upright as an ADV. Due to back surgery my body prefers a 7-9 degree forward lean to take some of the pressure off my spine and switch to my hips. BUT the suspension on ADVs is far superior to sport tourers on some of today's roads that lack proper maintenance (to be generous). To counter @Sunrazor's point 2 about the handling, plenty of ADV bikes have 19" front wheels that handle quite well but I share his opinion of 21" front wheels.
@@craighanesworthSports touring is too broad a category of definition. Versys 1000 as an example is much more upright sport touring. BMW is top tier ADV bike with huge price premium. For 2-up riding there is more room on touring bikes vs ADV. Harley is not a good comparison. Harley is over-priced brand snobbery as compared to actual value for $. ADV bikes with true off-road suirable tires do not handle near as well and burn through tires more frequently. Replacing tires more frequently is a maintenace PIA and $$$$.
I ride alone so the GSA works well for me. 500 mile days are relatively easy. Took mine on a trip to Colorado Springs from ATL, 3 days out and 3 days back plus some time in between. I have the Lone Rider side cases on mine. I don’t seek out off road but I don’t shy away from it when riding. I know you can take a Harley down a dirt/gravel road but it just feels wrong. I love Harley’s and have owned a few, 2 of which were Road Glides. What I don’t like about them is they make my lower back hurt, they aren’t as easy to stand on as my GSA and the weight is a bit much.
From Red Lodge to Yellowstone on the Beartooth Pass, I was aggressively overtaken by a pack of ADV’s…5 or 6 of them.
I’m running an S&S 129ci I built with Klock Werks. I noticed a decrease in power at the higher altitude.
They had a higher seating position, were not effected by altitude, and their lean angles were SIK!
Two had the Africa model, a BMW, I couldn't make out the rest.
While in the Badlands, GPS sent me down a 20 mile dirt road with piped rumble strips at intersections. I made it but at an average speed of 10mph. Brutal.
Thanks for the video. 👍 🔔
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Spot on for all of the reasons you stated here. I recently sold a 2018 Goldwing DCT and opted for a Tiger 900. Honda rates all of the storage compartments at 20 lbs, there are panniers for ADV bikes that are rated for 30 lbs. Plus as you mentioned the ability to carry stuff on top of the cases! I was developing a type of hip pain due to the width of the Wing seat and my inseam. That pain is gone on the Tiger!
Currently looking to sell my Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer in favor of a Indian Chieftain or Roadmaster. After test riding one I could not believe how good they felt on the road. Sitting back and stretching out your legs, with surround sound audio. It can't be beat!!
I prefer them. I like to be able to stand up on the pegs. Big advantage. Stretch my legs. Get above the windshield. The seat height could be it only disadvantage for some.
This is only my second riding season (and I'm nowhere near retirement age) but after my starter bike I went for a Tiger 900 GT (the more "road-focused" adventure bike of Triumph's compared to the Rally, which is definitely more off-road oriented). I find it to be a great all-rounder. Comfort is great around the city--with roads that tend to be extremely bumpy the suspension just soaks it all up, and the rider position is incredibly agreeable. It is sporty enough for me. Even springing for the fully loaded trim (heated seats/grips, quickshifter) and getting luggage and crash protection it did not break the bank like I would imagine a similarly kitted touring bike from Harley would be. I like that if I want to go "minimal" for fun rides around town with no intermediate stops I can just remove the panniers and top box and get a pretty clean look. Only gone on a few multi-day trips but they were no problem whatsoever. Although I don't have personal experience with a tourer for comparison, I think the Tiger does everything well enough that I doubt I'd really find a tourer to be that much better than what I have.
The tiger is a Fantastic bike! Ride safe
Great points Craig. I agree with your points. Lighter, easier handling, comfort & storage capacity. I’ve always been intrigued by these bikes. I really like the Swiss Army knife industrial look. They look in their element when not entirely cleaned up while out on a long tour, versus how we would like to see our Gold Wings. The long developed quick Honda DCT sure is a joy though. The bike looks kinda nice too. A Lexus.
I love the Goldwing. But I now have a better understanding of the draw that ADV bikes have
@@craighanesworth
Exactly! More athletic too. I like that.
Great take on the ADV. I (Rich) can't comment on which bike I like better because I don't own an ADV. But for the type of riding/touring we do (living on the road) ...I must say out of all the bikes I've owned, the Wing will always be my preference. Again, great video.
@@BootsandJeansRiders I can never be without a Wing. If I could only have one, it would be it!
Recycled bikes this year. Road glide for road glide, but my fat boy was either going to develop into a Lowrider or a Harley Pan America. I went with the low rider. Lots of personal preferences and timing…riding buddies. Even though an ADV would open up another 150% capacity of roads. I just don’t have the buddies/desire to pursue at this point. Maybe in the future.
I have never seen a beverage holder on a GS. Can you explain the pros and cons of that please? Here is Australia we don’t do that.
I like to have a beverage within arms reach when I am riding. Unfortunately, I get dehydrated quickly and I like to be able to grab some water while riding instead of pulling over to grab a drink. I know a lot of people use camel backs, but I don't like the weight of it on my back. I don't ride off-road so I am not worried about the bike falling over with the cup holder
BINGO, bud…having owned both types of motorbikes…for me, the ADV wins hands down in virtually every category.
Thanks for the analysis❗️ 🏍️
I traded my goldwing in for a R1200GS and love the change… the bike is not as heavy and I wanted a clutch… I’ve went semi long distances and am just as comfortable on the gs as I was on the Goldwing… without all the extra weight.. I love it and haven’t looked back… plus working on the gs is a lot easier bcs everything is just about right at ur hands…will be keeping this by for a long time…
Craig, I hope everything is going well with you and the family. The video is awesome you’re giving some very positive reasons for ADV ownership. Craig, you and I are somewhat the same height and I agree the sitting position on the ADV seems to be more comfortable than your average touring bike. Last put not least we have to factor in the weight of a tour vs ADV as we age. Also GiL keep up the good work. Craig, take care and ride safe !!!!
@@brucebrentz476 Thanks for watching Bruce. I hope all is well with you and the family
I’m on a ‘21 Africa Twin AS ES DCT. It’s like having a giant dirt bike that can carve twistys like a sport bike and then haul a heavy load over long distances like a truck. It’s not the fastest or the best at one thing but it does a lot of things very well.
Love the topic and your reasons offered are valid. Now, while style is subjective there is no denying the appeal, utility and overall awesomeness of the Large ADV "do it all" motorcycle. I'm going on record here in saying my Large ADV motorcycle experiences trumps my large touring bike experiences. As you know I'm on my 4th large ADV bike in the past two decades. And after my fairly recent an exceptional Honda Goldwing riding experience I can say that for me it's not even close. Especially as i age and my requirements change .The ADV motorcycles wins. Also for the record, and not unlike yourself I am no off road wannabe junky on a 600 pound BMW R1250 GSA. I ride this motorcycle on road 97% of the time. It just works, and the look has grown on me. Craig we are riding something special here and as much as i enjoyed the distraction of vlogging on my Goldwing which was very vanilla in comparison. I often keep the GoPro's in the cases as this ADV motorcycle is engaging. Thanks for listening. Gbewinginit and I am out!
@@GBeWinginIt Definitely agree 100 percent with your comments and perception. Although I love the Goldwing, I tend to reach for the keys to the GSA more often. It is just a pleasure to ride. Ride safe!
In 40 years of riding touring bikes I gradually moved up to heavier bikes. Started with a Honda CB 550 Four K with aftermarket windscreen and panniers. Ended up with a BMW K1300 GT. Than I wanted back to a bike that would give me the same basic feeling of riding a bike like on the Honda. I switched to a GS. It is the best touring bike I ever owned and I regret not having switched earlier.
@@QPQP-q6c It is an awesome bike!!
I really enjoyed our trip to Americade with our ADV bikes, totally comfortable, easy to maneuver and fun. Love my Road Glide too though.................JB..
@@Jarvisbiker The trip was great!!!!
This video brought me to your page. I just bought a ADV bike and came from a touring bike and absolutely love the change. To my surprise I recognize the roads you’re on and see your local. I subscribe and have started watching your older videos. Good stuff
Congratulations on the new bike! I thoroughly enjoy my GSA. Thanks for the sub and watching the video. Ride safe!
I generally agree. Get what suits your interests best. I chose a small ADV (KTM 390) with 19" & 17" tires. I love curvy back roads, will be on gravel/dirt at times, hate superhighways, generally no more than day trips. But if I want to camp/tour/travel? I could. Could I cruise a highway? Sure, careful of winds & passing semis. It's perfect for what I like, but doesn't limit me if I expand my style.
Great video and excellent points. I own a Goldwing and a Super Tenere. I prefer the Super Tenere due to its versatily....potential for dirt and gravel road riding while touring. However the Goldwing would be much better for 2 up tours
I ride alone so the GSA works well for me. 500 mile days are relatively easy. Took mine on a trip to Colorado Springs from ATL, 3 days out and 3 days back plus some time in between. I have the Lone Rider side cases on mine. I don’t seek out off road but I don’t shy away from it when riding. I know you can take a Harley down a dirt/gravel road but it just feels wrong.
I love Harley’s and have owned a few, 2 of which were Road Glides. What I don’t like about them is they make my lower back hurt, they aren’t as easy to stand on as my GSA and the weight is a bit much.
@@That_Paul_Guy I love the lone rider products. I have some of their bags. Ride safe!
Excellent video, I fully agree with you. I used to own a HD Electraglide Ultra classic, I sold it for the HD Pan America Special. This bike puts a smile on my face daily. The fun factor is never in doubt, I put about 15k a year on the bike and I find myself always looking for opportunities to get on the bike. I would add one more reason to get an ADV bike is the cleanup. With my Ultra I felt almost obligated to keel ot clean, where as the Pan America is sometimes dirty and because of the ADV style I do not feel guilty not to have washed it after coming in from the rain for example.
@@willsthomas812 Good point on the cleanup. 15k a year is great!!
I ride a Gold Wing. A 1987 GL1200. Love it for long rides. Also ride a Honda Falcon 400. The Falcon is an ADV bike but is small. For long rides i'll take the Wing.
I use to ride chops and bangers in the old daze (pre 1982) but I won’t ride anything now that I can’t stand up on the foot pegs upright. The back and hips just can’t take it anymore. I’ve downgraded to a 650 ADV for comfort.
I think comfortable position is at least a little bit related to whatever you’ve gotten used to. I’ve heard people say that a cruiser position with feet out in front and hands up in the air feels odd to them. I’ve ridden 20k this year in that exact position and wouldn’t have it any other way
So true!!
Very interesting video. I was surprised at some of the reasons, except for the versatility, which is what I thought would be your main point. I just finished a trip to Utah on my R1200RS sport touring bike, and I really found the limits of its ability to go off the pavement. I also have had an Africa Twin, which I found to be more difficult because it's tall. I love riding the RS on highways and back roads, but the versatility of a bike with dual-sport tires to go camping is the best argument, in my opinion. Thank you.
@@RetiredAdventureRider You bring up a good point that I didn't mention. The height of an ADV might be a disadvantage for some, but I love the flexibility
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My Pan America CVO is my favorite bike. Especially since I live on a gravel road.
@@fasteddie565 That is a sharp looking bike!!
Love my GSA for getting out and exploring. It’s great on secondary roads, the handling is amazing, and I can load it up like a pack mule. I find it lacking in 3 areas - the top box is a lady’s makeup case compared to the Road Glide Limited or Goldwing, it is not comfortable for a passenger… wife hates it, and for truly long haul highway, my Road Glide Limited is way more comfortable.
So true. I didn't consider the passenger as I never ride with one. But you are 100 percent correct. The touring bike is way better when you have a pillion!
Hey, nice video, i have a Honda CB500X , love that thing to bits.
The big advantage of a Harley is the availability of parts and the parts are less expensive than BMW/HONDA etc.
Parts are definitely more readily available
I bought a BMW GSA instead of a road glide because you don't have to change everything out to make it comfortable.
#6 - With an Adv, I can change oil in an auto parts or Walmart parking lot and remove wheels for new tires at a bike dealership. Oil changes and wheel removal requires a shop bay time for dealer maintenance, you may be waiting days if you can't DIY.
@@terrellgarren7125 very true!!
Thanks for this video. I’m 63 years old and started in this wonderful world of motorcycles this year after my retirement. I bought a Harley Sportster 883, but I really don’t feel comfortable on it. I’ve been looking at this adventure touring bikes, and they look great, more secure and more comfortable. Is there one in particular that you can recommend me? Thanks again for the video and ride safe.
I love my BMW R1250 GSA. They now have the newer model (R1300). I think BMW is a good choice if you have a dealer near you. The Harley Davidson Pan America is a nice bike as well. The best thing is to go to a dealership, and sit on the bikes. Make sure it isn't too tall for you. Lastly, I would definitely pick a brand that has a dealership network close to you so you can have the bike serviced if anything goes wrong. Ride Safe
I have a '21 Africa Twin DCT and it has only one very severe problem for LD touring - a nasty wind buffeting at the top part of the helmet. With the stock windscreen, it's literally so bad I can't focus my eyes at highway speeds (65mph+). To the point that it's dangerous to go above about 55mph. I've mostly fixed it with a National Cycle after market windscreen and Puig clip-on extension, but this is probably a problem on other ADV bikes too. Other than that, it'd be a shore-to-shore capable tourer with no problem....
I love my XT1200Z super tenere!!!!!!💪
I loved to have an adventure touring bike, but my legs are too short.
Yes, even on “pavement” I have had losts of “fresh oil” and “tar and gravel”.
I went from a cvo road king to a new 1200 rally pro triumph and I’ll never look back. I’m a tall guy so the tiger fits me much better and the versatility is outstanding. The Harley looks and sounds fantastic but that’s it. My ADV bike is ugly af and sounds like shit but the comfort and the handling are far superior even with the 21” front tier.
All good points, maybe the next ride will be an adventure bike.
Price, price, price... Was considering a sport tourer (Tracer 9 gt) and adv's. Got a much better deal (by about 3K) on my Tiger 900 gt than I could get on the Tracer 9 gt. Use it basically as a sport tourer. Won't take it off-road as I have a dual sport for that.
Good video, well done. I'll put me, my 07 Moto Guzzi Norge and my channel against the best ADV bike, and see who gets to the top of the hill first. :)
@@littlemotorcyclemovies I love it!!!
I am a bit surprised by some of your reasons. I thought a touring bike would be the better choice. for quite a few of the 5.
Even though I have never ridden a dedicated touring bike.
I have a "Big" BMW R1200 GS. I fit the stereotypy ADV rider. Older guy going for coffee.
Depends what you want to do with it.
I wanted to do a bit of everything. So Versatility.
I wanted to do a particular tour. To the Arctic Ocean and Alaska. So long distance, highway speeds and some off road dirt gravel mud. 1000+ miles. Most touring bikes or road bikes, not going to be ideal. Dirt bike dual sport. to much highway. ADV of some kind. I picked the GS.
I find the GS very comfortable for me. I've never ridden a touring bike. so cant compare.
It's more comfortable than a standard or sport bike. with much better wind protection compared to none.
The big ADV was ideal for me. Others might find it to big, to heavy, to expensive.
It is very heavy to move around, I can't push it up an incline. I have to be careful how and where I park.
Goldwings are heavier but have a reverse gear. So do the really big BMW Tourers.
I can lift it if I have to. Again its very heavy.
It is expensive, I bought mine used so not to bad. Similar budget to a new Standard Bike.
Box's came with it but they don't have a lot of capacity. The big aluminum ones maybe a lot better.
I think a regular full size touring bike has probably got more capacity.
It has a 20ltr tank. Gets about 200 miles range. good but 40ish miles to a gallon.
It's in top bracket for insurance, so are most touring bikes. Expensive to insure.
I am relatively tall. So I can flat foot it no problem. My taller friends also like big ADV bikes. The seating position works for tall people. I can stand up and stretch.
It worked for what i wanted to do at the time. I kept the GS because I really like it. And I am planning or dreaming of new adventures. In the meantime, I ride it round town or just down the road for coffee.
Its a very good touring bike. Mabey not quite as good as a touring bike. but still pretty good.
No 1 Versatility.
Touring bikes definitely have their benefits. I think the wind protection is a little better on certain models. I like the larger gas tank of my GSA. But the versatility of the ADV bike is really what sets it apart
Todays paved roads will soon be tomorrows gravel and dirt roads due to low to no maintenance. America is quickbecoming a 3rd world country.
That said, a japanese adv bike cannot be beat, reliability with the ability to navigate harsh unforgiving roads with ease and still lay down the miles on the good roads. Its a win win.
This and the threat of a shtf situation one day was my reasoning for purchasing my vstrom 800de....
I love the adventure bike and I want one but my passenger is highly uncomfortable on all the ADV bikes we rode
@@joshuawaters151 it is definitely not as passenger friendly as other bikes. Ride safe!
Your ADV is already on stilts with a high C of G, then load it up with everything but the kitchen sink?
Good luck with that 😮.
I'm lucky enough to own a Honda NT1100, tourer based on Africa Twin and it's Europe's best selling tourer for a reason.
The 2nd generation has jus been announced and I've pre booked 1 already in HawkEye Blue.
Shame it's not available over the pond.
Stay safe.
And on the other hand...ruling out all the others. The touring bike is much more suited for a passenger as well.as well as usually having a much more anesthetic appeal.
@@UncontrolledJibe Definitely better when you are riding two up! Thanks for watching
I have a middleweight ADV and a touring bike. They both have their place. Yes, if you can only own one bike the ADV is the best compromise. Comfort is subjective. On a touring bike you have sitting options. Highway pegs , rider backrests, etc. Carrying capability is another it depends. You have a biased video. I built out a Honda Africa twin with all the touring option from Honda and it was in the mid 20s.
Having a backrest on a touring bike is amazing and just doesn’t compare to any adventure bike.
‘24 900GS Adventure with Anakee III tires, goes anywhere, 55+ mpg.
@@murraehaynes3182 that's what I'm talking about!
Sport Touring…
I’m still leaning and riding more of my Sport Touring (Ninja 1000sx) then adventure (Africa Twin). Try A sport touring, lighter, nimbler, and relatively less expensive!
@@Rickmac22 I will definitely test ride one. Thanks for watching!
Adventure bikes are to tall who needs a 35 inch seat height?
Here are 5 reasons you want to consider a sport tourer instead of an ADV bike:
1. The seating postion of a sports tourer is actually more ergonomic than an ADV bike.
2. Cornering performance. Taking a corner with a 21" front wheel is never going to be the same as a true road bike.
3. Sitting at high speed for longer periods of time is simply more confortable due to aerodynamics.
4. Looks. A Sport tourer simply looks better. Yes subjective. But who on earth can say an ADV is prettier than a sports tourer?
5. You will not go offroad anyway and have a pretty bad roadbike in an ADV that turns worse, less grip and not as fun on tarmac. Any bike will do a gravel road. Trust me.
Good information. I would have thought that a sport tourer would be less comfortable as you are slightly leaned forward for extended periods of time. Any pressure on your wrists?
I came to this video and was going to defend the Harleys I have actually toured on, but after this comment it makes me want that Ninja 1100SX even more.
@@craighanesworth It depends on the person but sport tourers typically have a more upright position than a sports bike but not as upright as an ADV. Due to back surgery my body prefers a 7-9 degree forward lean to take some of the pressure off my spine and switch to my hips. BUT the suspension on ADVs is far superior to sport tourers on some of today's roads that lack proper maintenance (to be generous).
To counter @Sunrazor's point 2 about the handling, plenty of ADV bikes have 19" front wheels that handle quite well but I share his opinion of 21" front wheels.
Concourse 14, can’t beat the price, and it’s a hell of a machine. But the pan American did tempt me!😂
@@craighanesworthSports touring is too broad a category of definition. Versys 1000 as an example is much more upright sport touring.
BMW is top tier ADV bike with huge price premium. For 2-up riding there is more room on touring bikes vs ADV. Harley is not a good comparison. Harley is over-priced brand snobbery as compared to actual value for $.
ADV bikes with true off-road suirable tires do not handle near as well and burn through tires more frequently. Replacing tires more frequently is a maintenace PIA and $$$$.
What is that ridiculous windshield?
pan américa is a tank and comfortable
Touring bikes are heavier with tight turning radius needs more skills to enjoy it.
Touring bikes have a larger turning radius, not tighter.
@@BH-di8vb 👍 I mean the handlebar turning angle
I ride alone so the GSA works well for me. 500 mile days are relatively easy. Took mine on a trip to Colorado Springs from ATL, 3 days out and 3 days back plus some time in between. I have the Lone Rider side cases on mine. I don’t seek out off road but I don’t shy away from it when riding. I know you can take a Harley down a dirt/gravel road but it just feels wrong.
I love Harley’s and have owned a few, 2 of which were Road Glides. What I don’t like about them is they make my lower back hurt, they aren’t as easy to stand on as my GSA and the weight is a bit much.
@@That_Paul_Guy Great point as far as not shying away from dirt roads. I think we do that on touring bikes!