I am from the Philippines, and I could surely say that a teacher like Tatyana is hard to come by here. These kinds of quality teaching are rare. I am deeply grateful to your dedication and love for teaching and guitar playing. Your help is immeasurable to our progress.
You cover a lot of ground others do not, and really appreciate you for the guidance! When you explained the difference between practice and play, I anticipated that there would be people who would have said "well, isn't that obvious?" But for me, I hadn't thought of that and it changed the way I learn for ever, but also made everything to do with progress so satisfying. I wanted to say thanks and just to tell you that you make a massive difference for us. Really really appreciate what you do! Thanks.
Tatyana, I have struggled with the memorization of music pieces forever. I always thought that my problem is that I am too old for this. My piano teacher has tried to explain the very same techniques in a few different terms, however, it just makes a lot of sense the way that you explained the process. Thank you for the guidance. I am going to go try it out right now....
You're so right about problem with repeating too much at the beginning, that's good advise about this issue especially for my original music themes I'm making for comics book trailers since I've got to remember completely new music that's never been performed before and practice it to express emotions for stories of my bk trailers.
Very smart and interesting tutorial! I often forget sheets that I used to know by heart... But your concept of passive memory seems a good explanation ;-) Xороших выходных!
It will be very helpful for me. I was always troubled with this kind of black out while on playing the guitar. I will try to do that on your suggestions. Thank you.
the thing is these active memory techniques which are so necessary are really hard work to practice, I am doing it a lot but its exhausting , I have never experienced the feeling that im totally comfortable performing a piece anywhere ,it is supposed to be the most incredible feeling ,I want that , thanks Tatyana for great video
You aren't the only one Alan. Guesd we just have to rely on exposure, discipline and effort to get us there (and I've no doubt it will!). We'll get there man..
Thank you Maestra- excellent video. Yup- most of us play with muscle memory, we can all do better with aural and conceptual memory. Hearing the notes and understanding the progression of the notes/chords, how they move, and how they resolve harmonically helps. We could all do better by playing in your masterclass to improve! But if it’s not not possible, videoing yourself helps since the camera shows everything 😅😱. Right now I’m driving myself crazy re-learning the Sor Etude 12. Lots of quick shifts and intervals...
Здравствуйте! Здорово, что вы ведёте канал на широкую аудиторию и английский практикуете. подобный контент вносит вклад в развитие музыкантов всего мира, а значит и музыки в целом. Спасибо,, Татьяна!!
Really good lesson. Thank you. I experienced that quite a bit when I was a young boy when I was expected by my parents and older brothers to perform at either church or school. It may have been related to my lack of personal investment in what they were expecting. Later when I was a young man it rarely if ever happened but ( as you suggest ) I was much more active about what I was learning. It's a shocking and scary feeling when it happens though.
God bless you dear Tatyana,of course your tips and tricks are so precious!You inspire me a lot!I don't feel lonely in this fantastic adventure called music,my life...Ciao! :-)
a good method I use to is to work backwards ,start at last measure and play it , then second last ,third last ,then play last line , then use the memory techniques explained here ,all of them ,thoroughly memorize last line today ,tomorrow 2 nd last line , you should too be able to play any measure in the piece ,pick a random number and play it , Douglas niedt says that most if not all performance mess ups is not technical thing but memory lapse as tatyana says the passive memory crumble s under pressure which then wrecks your confidence for future performance s
Yes, it's an idea originated by Edward de Bono. Learning backwards is super-fast and extremely efficient. I always aim to memorise new pieces within about 1-2 days of starting to learn them. It's so much easier to work on technique, style, presentation, etc, if the piece is memorised. Last year I memorised Capricho Arabe in it's entirety, from scratch, in a day. Similarly I memorised Recuerdos de la Alhambra in a day. Still working on them now, but since I don't need to consult the music, it's easy to practise. Using scores simply adds a layer of mental effort between the brain and the fingers.
i remembered an article on memorization is to play from the end of the bars of the music score rather than from beginning. Check the music in what key; chords, major, minor, or modulation patterns, sharp or flat, and of course the overall structure of the musical form...like bass notes, melody and harmony structure. Of course, musician or guitarist should possessed strong foundation of music theory and music history in order to play and interpret those classical music more expressively. This will differentiate between amateur guitarist and professional guitarist.
Iluminador! Para rever, em partes, e internalizar! E com um imenso significado prático! Não é apenas sobre memorização, é sobre viver cada peça, cada canção, cada execução. Muitíssimo obrigado, Tatyana!
Another thought: making those entances is what music theory is needed for in practise. In order to understand how the compisition is constructed you have to understand and know the names of the musical phenomena you are working with. It can be the music theory you learn on lessons or your own conceptualisation but it has to be there.
This is right. The best way to remember something is to be so familiar and passionate about it that you can explain it in the pub to your friends impromptu and without notes. Similarly, Jordan Peterson says one should know 10 times more about a subject than what one puts in a speech about it.
Wow. This sounds like a lot of work, but would definitely be worth it. I compose, arrange, record, produce/engineer, mix, master, teach the rest of my group, rehearse and perform all my own own work. You’d think that after all of this I would know and could remember the whole of every piece inside out, back to front, upside down and in any randomised order conceivable, but no. When performing I have to use cheat-sheets (if not the entire score), and if I haven’t played any particular piece for some time I don’t have the slightest idea how any of it goes and couldn’t even begin to play any of it; not a note, not a chord, not a word. At times I hear others humming or singing my work, so it’s not the quality/memorability of a piece... it’s me. I thought for the longest time I was developing some kind of anterograde amnesia, or horror-of-horrors early on-set dementia, but I think you may just have handed me a lifeline through a ray of sunshine and given me hope. Thank you.
This is the first time I heard this little "dark secret" of guitar playing is addressed. It's amazing that this was/is an issue for you as well Tatyana -- I thought I was the only one :-) Many thanks for your wise and detailed advice.
Thanks for this video very helpful, When I look at my left hand I really couldn’t follow my hand it’s faster than my mind so I close my eyes or I look at the wall
This is as good as a 121 lesson. I feel relaxed, your voice and accent are easy to listen to. My guitar playing is slowly improving and I adapt the active memorisation techniques to learning choir music, with great success. Thankyou Tatyana. 😉
The trouble is coming across a better 'transcription' than the one you memorized & relearning the piece again with alternative fingerings and positions.....
Here's my question-What would happen if you have not played a piece for several months or a year or two. Can you play it from memory then?I have incorrectly learned my pieces through passive memory.At some point when I "know" them,I no longer am actively engaged in playing them,I am just holding the guitar and letting it sing to me without much effort on my part.However,if I do not play the piece often it will literally "go away" like a computer having a head crash.I am playing again after a break of 3 years and all my pieces are gone.Thanks for your inspiration as I enjoy your tutorials and performances.
Thank you for this. I am very new to the guitar at 62 years of age. This will help me. Question. My left hand fingers touch two strings at once. Example when I play the 3rd string with the same finger will also touch the 2nd sting. Also any left hand finger stretching exercises?
What if a complete beginner in the first lesson can memorize the names and locations of the natural notes in the first 10 frets, will that change how the fretboard is taught?
I was forced to learn this early on because for the longest time I didn’t have the fretboard memorized and couldn’t read guitar sheet music or sight or read from it. So I would use tabs , and I wouldn’t sight read the tab. I would learn everything in sections. But most importantly it would never be by measures specifically but by phrases at first then form parts by progression and melody. I would never sight read the tab either. I would look at the tab and play the few chords and melody phrases really broken so in my mind I’m like it’s these together then look away from the tab and play them over really slowly and implement the metronome after that. My first final for college that I played for the judges was prelude in dm / Asturias/ saraband and double in bm/ and a piece by Matteo carcassi . These were all learned from tab in this way and I never got a blackout. I understand this isn’t the best way because tabs are a no no but for memorizing it worked for me and I could not stand learning easier pieces because I was obsessed with learning the ones I loved. My guitar teacher was cool with me learning the pieces I wanted and I showed him that I put in the time on my own so he didn’t tell me I needed to learn easier songs. I had been playing power metal for years before even picking up a classical guitar so I had the finger dexterity. So my first full piece I learned was prelude in dm by Bach .
I also, sometimes just take a rest from it and when I pick it up again, sometimes it comes out perfect, well almost perfect, anyway!!! Mechanical memory, is this the same as muscle memory???
It is not important what memory you use, if you don't play the music you knew for a month or more, you will forget it partly, therefore, you have to play it once in a while to keep it in your memory.
Это очень актуальный вопрос. На некоторое время я даже перестал играть, потому что пропадал интерес к музыке - пока выучишь пассивно произведение, уже всякое желание репетировать и играть его пропадало.
You talk about entrances and go on explaining, that you need to be able to explain the positions, which string, position or chord and fingers. Does that mean, that you need to break up certain parts into small units? learn how to describe them to someone?
Напротив, её поняли даже бразильцы и гавайцы. Свою идею она повторила разными и простыми словами. А произношение забавное, как если заучивалось по буквам, а не в общении. Я так испанский пытался учить ;-)
I am from the Philippines, and I could surely say that a teacher like Tatyana is hard to come by here. These kinds of quality teaching are rare.
I am deeply grateful to your dedication and love for teaching and guitar playing. Your help is immeasurable to our progress.
You cover a lot of ground others do not, and really appreciate you for the guidance! When you explained the difference between practice and play, I anticipated that there would be people who would have said "well, isn't that obvious?" But for me, I hadn't thought of that and it changed the way I learn for ever, but also made everything to do with progress so satisfying. I wanted to say thanks and just to tell you that you make a massive difference for us.
Really really appreciate what you do! Thanks.
Thank you! I thought I was the only one with the blackout problem!
This was the most important lesson for v.e.r.y. long time! I will try this as soon as I wake in the morning!
Tatyana, I have struggled with the memorization of music pieces
forever. I always thought that my problem is that I am too old
for this. My piano teacher has tried to explain the very same
techniques in a few different terms, however, it just makes a lot
of sense the way that you explained the process. Thank you
for the guidance. I am going to go try it out right now....
Multiple entrances. What a great idea. Thanks Tatyana.
Thanks for the relaxation techniques
You're so right about problem with repeating too much at the beginning, that's good advise about this issue especially for my original music themes I'm making for comics book trailers since I've got to remember completely new music that's never been performed before and practice it to express emotions for stories of my bk trailers.
Very smart and interesting tutorial! I often forget sheets that I used to know by heart... But your concept of passive memory seems a good explanation ;-) Xороших выходных!
This is some very good advice, thanks for your help this will definitely improve my playing
So basically playing thoughtfully. I have heard it somewhere. Thank you for the tricks!
Perfect tutorial.👏👏👏👍
Thank you Tatyana for the tips and the valuable explanations ! Thanx for sharing
Thank you for sharing your tips and experience. They are always practical, methodical and doable!
Thank you Tatyana.
Very nice approach to this problem! your insights are usefull in any instrument, thanks for sharing!
In all yours vídeos I learn something new. Thanks for it.
Very well done Tatyana. Thank you for helping us to learn beautiful pieces for guitar. Alan.
It will be very helpful for me. I was always troubled with this kind of black out while on playing the guitar. I will try to do that on your suggestions. Thank you.
Very helpful, thank you !!!
thanks for these very helpful insights! I guess I mostly use passive memory - now I know why it is taking me so long to play anything by heart
Thank Tatyana for your magnific job.
Congratulations from Brazil
Thank you so much 😊 💕🎶
the thing is these active memory techniques which are so necessary are really hard work to practice, I am doing it a lot but its exhausting , I have never experienced the feeling that im totally comfortable performing a piece anywhere ,it is supposed to be the most incredible feeling ,I want that , thanks Tatyana for great video
You aren't the only one Alan. Guesd we just have to rely on exposure, discipline and effort to get us there (and I've no doubt it will!). We'll get there man..
+plunder clat I hope so ☺👍
Thank you Maestra- excellent video. Yup- most of us play with muscle memory, we can all do better with aural and conceptual memory. Hearing the notes and understanding the progression of the notes/chords, how they move, and how they resolve harmonically helps. We could all do better by playing in your masterclass to improve! But if it’s not not possible, videoing yourself helps since the camera shows everything 😅😱. Right now I’m driving myself crazy re-learning the Sor Etude 12. Lots of quick shifts and intervals...
Excellent advices, thank you Tati
Great information
Здравствуйте! Здорово, что вы ведёте канал на широкую аудиторию и английский практикуете. подобный контент вносит вклад в развитие музыкантов всего мира, а значит и музыки в целом. Спасибо,, Татьяна!!
Yeah, Thank you!!
Really good lesson. Thank you. I experienced that quite a bit when I was a young boy when I was expected by my parents and older brothers to perform at either church or school. It may have been related to my lack of personal investment in what they were expecting. Later when I was a young man it rarely if ever happened but ( as you suggest ) I was much more active about what I was learning. It's a shocking and scary feeling when it happens though.
God bless you dear Tatyana,of course your tips and tricks are so precious!You inspire me a lot!I don't feel lonely in this fantastic adventure called music,my life...Ciao! :-)
great Thanks a lot, always problem with memorization will try your tips with lot of interest
Thanks Tatyana. It is very interesting!
Excellent! Thank you so much a lot! Active Memorie!
Your command of English language is very impressive. Great tips.
Even though i'm a pianist. I find this very helpful. Thanks Tatyana!
a good method I use to is to work backwards ,start at last measure and play it , then second last ,third last ,then play last line , then use the memory techniques explained here ,all of them ,thoroughly memorize last line today ,tomorrow 2 nd last line , you should too be able to play any measure in the piece ,pick a random number and play it , Douglas niedt says that most if not all performance mess ups is not technical thing but memory lapse as tatyana says the passive memory crumble s under pressure which then wrecks your confidence for future performance s
I like that idea!
i learned the same as you explained. Also we need to have strong foundation of music theory would help us tremendously and more effortlessly.
+Lawrence Hiun indeed , knowing a piece inside out and back to front in every possible way is the key to success , all that said it takes lots of work
Yes, it's an idea originated by Edward de Bono. Learning backwards is super-fast and extremely efficient. I always aim to memorise new pieces within about 1-2 days of starting to learn them. It's so much easier to work on technique, style, presentation, etc, if the piece is memorised. Last year I memorised Capricho Arabe in it's entirety, from scratch, in a day. Similarly I memorised Recuerdos de la Alhambra in a day. Still working on them now, but since I don't need to consult the music, it's easy to practise. Using scores simply adds a layer of mental effort between the brain and the fingers.
Another great show Tatyana!
i remembered an article on memorization is to play from the end of the bars of the music score rather than from beginning. Check the music in what key; chords, major, minor, or modulation patterns, sharp or flat, and of course the overall structure of the musical form...like bass notes, melody and harmony structure. Of course, musician or guitarist should possessed strong foundation of music theory and music history in order to play and interpret those classical music more expressively. This will differentiate between amateur guitarist and professional guitarist.
Iluminador! Para rever, em partes, e internalizar! E com um imenso significado prático! Não é apenas sobre memorização, é sobre viver cada peça, cada canção, cada execução. Muitíssimo obrigado, Tatyana!
Very good explanation.
Thanks 😄
Another thought: making those entances is what music theory is needed for in practise. In order to understand how the compisition is constructed you have to understand and know the names of the musical phenomena you are working with. It can be the music theory you learn on lessons or your own conceptualisation but it has to be there.
This is right. The best way to remember something is to be so familiar and passionate about it that you can explain it in the pub to your friends impromptu and without notes. Similarly, Jordan Peterson says one should know 10 times more about a subject than what one puts in a speech about it.
Gracias por el vídeo, usaré tus consejos, Dios te bendiga. Saludos desde Perú.
Valuable information
Wow. This sounds like a lot of work, but would definitely be worth it. I compose, arrange, record, produce/engineer, mix, master, teach the rest of my group, rehearse and perform all my own own work. You’d think that after all of this I would know and could remember the whole of every piece inside out, back to front, upside down and in any randomised order conceivable, but no. When performing I have to use cheat-sheets (if not the entire score), and if I haven’t played any particular piece for some time I don’t have the slightest idea how any of it goes and couldn’t even begin to play any of it; not a note, not a chord, not a word. At times I hear others humming or singing my work, so it’s not the quality/memorability of a piece... it’s me. I thought for the longest time I was developing some kind of anterograde amnesia, or horror-of-horrors early on-set dementia, but I think you may just have handed me a lifeline through a ray of sunshine and given me hope. Thank you.
Thanks for your speech you are very inteligent.
💛
This is the first time I heard this little "dark secret" of guitar playing is addressed. It's amazing that this was/is an issue for you as well Tatyana -- I thought I was the only one :-) Many thanks for your wise and detailed advice.
Magnifica Clase y magistral interpretación de Capricho Árabe.
Qué magnífico tutorial y qué encanto de persona. Estoy hipnotizado.
Thanks for this video very helpful, When I look at my left hand I really couldn’t follow my hand it’s faster than my mind so I close my eyes or I look at the wall
thx, its solve my problem haha. its true sometimes i got blanked out cuz i didnt remember the score
Awesome
wow
This is as good as a 121 lesson. I feel relaxed, your voice and accent are easy to listen to. My guitar playing is slowly improving and I adapt the active memorisation techniques to learning choir music, with great success. Thankyou Tatyana. 😉
The trouble is coming across a better 'transcription' than the one you memorized & relearning the piece again with alternative fingerings and positions.....
Here's my question-What would happen if you have not played a piece for several months or a year or two.
Can you play it from memory then?I have incorrectly learned my pieces through passive memory.At some point when I "know" them,I no longer am actively engaged in playing them,I am just holding the guitar and letting it sing to me without much effort on my part.However,if I do not play the piece often it will literally
"go away" like a computer having a head crash.I am playing again after a break of 3 years and all my pieces are gone.Thanks for your inspiration as I enjoy your tutorials and performances.
Thank you for this. I am very new to the guitar at 62 years of age. This will help me. Question. My left hand fingers touch two strings at once. Example when I play the 3rd string with the same finger will also touch the 2nd sting. Also any left hand finger stretching exercises?
What if a complete beginner in the first lesson
can memorize the names and locations of the natural notes in the first 10 frets, will that change how the fretboard is taught?
Nice. What I missed here is the introduction of long and short memory....
I was forced to learn this early on because for the longest time I didn’t have the fretboard memorized and couldn’t read guitar sheet music or sight or read from it. So I would use tabs , and I wouldn’t sight read the tab. I would learn everything in sections. But most importantly it would never be by measures specifically but by phrases at first then form parts by progression and melody. I would never sight read the tab either. I would look at the tab and play the few chords and melody phrases really broken so in my mind I’m like it’s these together then look away from the tab and play them over really slowly and implement the metronome after that. My first final for college that I played for the judges was prelude in dm / Asturias/ saraband and double in bm/ and a piece by Matteo carcassi . These were all learned from tab in this way and I never got a blackout. I understand this isn’t the best way because tabs are a no no but for memorizing it worked for me and I could not stand learning easier pieces because I was obsessed with learning the ones I loved. My guitar teacher was cool with me learning the pieces I wanted and I showed him that I put in the time on my own so he didn’t tell me I needed to learn easier songs. I had been playing power metal for years before even picking up a classical guitar so I had the finger dexterity. So my first full piece I learned was prelude in dm by Bach .
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I'ts off topic but, do you like cedar guitar sound ?? Do you prefer play some musics with it rather then spruce? Thank you!!
I also, sometimes just take a rest from it and when I pick it up again, sometimes it comes out perfect, well almost perfect, anyway!!! Mechanical memory, is this the same as muscle memory???
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This happens a lot
What guitar do you play?
A wood one ... with plastic strings.
Brian Cullen moron
❤️ 💋
🤔good points, I will try your suggestions. I am only a Patreon for you and your Gentleman 🌹
linda maravilhosa ! from brazil
Que hermosa
Just prepare generator !
It is not important what memory you use, if you don't play the music you knew for a month or more, you will forget it partly, therefore, you have to play it once in a while to keep it in your memory.
У тебя очень разборчивый английский. Можно смотреть и стараться переводить)))😊
When you will post another live
La Memoria de mi Vida está en mi Disco Duro.... chao
Это очень актуальный вопрос. На некоторое время я даже перестал играть, потому что пропадал интерес к музыке - пока выучишь пассивно произведение, уже всякое желание репетировать и играть его пропадало.
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Tatyana, ¡me encantas! muchísimas felicidades por ser tan guapa y exitosa. Tu música es como un dulce amanecer para mis oídos.
You talk about entrances and go on explaining, that you need to be able to explain the positions, which string, position or chord and fingers. Does that mean, that you need to break up certain parts into small units?
learn how to describe them to someone?
👸💘💝💗👄
Traduction your videos for portuguese, espanish please! I'm from Brazil.
Quite demanding, aren't you?
please we need subtitle in french... ;-)
Your so sweet!
честно говоря кроме приветствия ни хрена не понял
Напротив, её поняли даже бразильцы и гавайцы. Свою идею она повторила разными и простыми словами. А произношение забавное, как если заучивалось по буквам, а не в общении. Я так испанский пытался учить ;-)
Вы русская ? Глаза русские
Инговое окончание как у нас в России
Tatyana, any plans for the future for to make some sweet little babys?
would be a waste if not..
🤣 black hole in your head
I refuse too look at her face.
Philippe De France
Excellent. Great advice well explained.