1964: The KID who WOULDN’T CONFORM | The Long Journey | Voice of the People | BBC Archive
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- In this mid-sixties documentary, two teenagers confront some of the existential crises facing those coming of age in this era. They mull over how they want to live, how society is ordered and whether you can truly be free.
No presenter, no voice-over, no words but their own.
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Clip taken from The Long Journey, originally broadcast on BBC One, Tuesday 7 April, 1964.
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It all feels like a song by The Smiths.
And looks like one of their album covers.
If you watch til the end you find out what the song would be called: 'Threescore and Ten'
@@algrant5293I’m genuinely sad to hear that. I hope she had a good life 🤔
@@judeballard Yes, I know it. It’s more appropriate than my suggestion 😂
@@algrant5293 YES! (three score and) ten points!
Life for most is pretty mundane, which is why alcohol and drugs are so prevalent. Break it down into the fundamentals and most work their life away from 16 to around 70, earning just enough to survive, if they're lucky. Then a gradual decline into the "care" system, where they're stripped of dignity and any money and assets they managed to scrape together to pay for the state to suffer their last years of existence. It's life Jim, but not as it could be.
Yep.....
I never did fit in either....
Well said
Perfectly put.
Ouch😣!!!!
What about their eternal life? The hopeless worldview of “there is no life after death “ is the problem.Everybody knows there is a Creator ,revealed by what has been made by his divine nature and eternal power. Rejection of the “Good News” message only leads to chaos and misery.
I wonder what happened to those two? They'd be about 76 now. I wonder what they did with their lives? I wonder if they're still alive...???
Yes, I’ve just asked the same question. They were quite philosophical so it did make me curious to know how life had treated them...
She’s my Mother
@@louisesomers5560She conformed eventually then….?
@@louisesomers5560 We need a follow-up programme... 60 years later.
She’s probably in insurance now
This is England Shefield in the 60s. Grey skys smokey foggy factories life in North West England was miserable i felt like this kid at 16 too i wanted to run away to London wher it was exciting 😢 im 44 now and still want to run away and escape adult life of the 9 til 5 grind.
makes me almost wish i lived in england in 60s....the way people talk its so enchanting
These two could pass as Creature Comforts characters.
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Semi-detached houses with their gardens, 'almost an apology to nature.' I like that. I grew up on just such a street in the 1970s. You should see it now: the front gardens have been paved and turned into drives for 2 cars. Every house with its uniform white UPVC window frames and doors. At least gardens brought a bit of nature: hedgehogs, birds, bees, spiders, bats. Young families have transformed their back gardens into cluttered and largely unused playgrounds for their children. Older couples have built 'pubs' in their sheds. Those youngsters in the clip are articulate. Today's youngsters are too; only they're connected through social media. In general, people seem very different now. They don't even smoke real cigarettes!
Some of the cynical comments made about these young people are precisely the attitudes they wanted to avoid.
Yep, exactly.
That little chat on the hilltop between those two girls was delightful, made me smile. I wonder how many 16 years olds today, 60 years on, spend really deep and intimate moments with their friends like that, musing at complexity and apparent chaos of the world. Probably too glued to a screen or sucked in by social media to bother with that now. What a shame.
Youth is very brief, and the only time we get to entertain the idea that we have any true freedom or autonomy before the tedious monotony of life and demands of "the system" grind you down and bleed it out of you.
In the end I expect she probably did "conform" and get a job, marry, and have kids in a little semi-detached house. But at least she was free in her own mind, if only briefly.
Yeah, she probably did, she seems at an early stage of figuring herself and the world out here. I felt much the same as her in my late teens/early 20s. Part of my problem was undiagnosed inattentive ADHD. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if she was the same. Eventually I found my own ways to cope, through reactions against boredom and stress, and jobs I didn't find as insufferable as sitting in an office, completing abstract but repetitive tasks. I see a lot of people like this end up in jobs working with people - teachers/support workers etc because people are constantly surprising and interesting and easier to motivate yourself for. Creative jobs are quite common also.
lots of 16 year olds do that. being on social media doesn't change it at all.
@@biegebythesea6775 "being on social media doesn't change it at all." You must be on a different planet to the rest of us then.
Not only has it visibly and profoundly changed the way ALL age groups interact with each other (you only have to look around you on a busy train/bus/tram to notice everyone glued to the phone completely detached and isolated from one another, same on college and uni campuses) but research has proven multiple times across the globe that mental health, overall happiness and quality of inter-personal relationships has all declined in recent years, and positively correlates with amount of time spent on social media.
Read up about it. You might learn something!
Ffs snap out of it!😂
This is lovily..but teens run away from home for so many different reasons also,I felt like I was just a let down to my family..so I ran away ..its so important to let your kids know how proud of them you are ..and give them your time x
It's pure pro pa gan da mate .....
How can't you see this ?
@@TruthAndFreedom. Probably because, unlike you, they aren't a crackpot?
I know exactly how she feels
yeah, the same as every generation feels !
I think you still feel the same when your older, just that life knocks the stuffing out of you really.
What a fabulous upload cheers BBC archive, i hope Morrissey sees it.❤
Been there, done that. Best time of my life that made a great impression on me. I am very, very grateful for that time which improved my life and outlook.
I wouldn't conform, and broke away when I was as old as 27. I was doing everything for everyone, and had enough and sick of listening to parents arguing and family demands, but it didn't go down very well when I left and caused arguments. I've always been told off since for doing it all wrong including never having a proper job. I've never actually been without a job, but one example, wouldn't be dictated to in an office on peanuts like my mother was. Whatever I did, was never approved. Only my stepfather was proud of me.
It’s like seeing the modern world come into view. An entire institutional paradigm characterised by one girl.
Yeah mate it's called pro pa gan da...........
It's how you create reality..........
Get with it man
@@TruthAndFreedom. wtf is wrong with you?
Her voice is lovely
They don't make em like that no more !
Perfect for ASMR ... born to early ...
Chumbawamba used some edited dialogue from this on their track 'One Way Or The Other' from the album 'Readymades' 2002 … although having now looked into this, there's actually a bit more to it. I'm pretty sure that Chumbawamba's source was actually 'On The Edge': a Radio Ballad by Ewan MacColl, Peggy Seeger and Charles Parker which included spoken thoughts by young people and was broadcast on BBC Home Service Basic in 1963, predating this documentary by one year. The documentarist Philip Donnellan seems to have used some extracts from 'On The Edge' for this documentary; as did Chumbawamba for their track. (Philip Donnellan did frequently work with Ewan MacColl, Peggy Seeger and Charles Parker). Anyway, I never knew any of that until I watched this amazing clip. I'd love to be able to see the whole documentary one day!
Thanks for that, I'll give it a listen.
Documentary?
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It's literally actors making pop a Ganda dear ......
How don't you get how it all works yet ?
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@@TruthAndFreedom.It's sad that I can't tell if you are a troll, or have self-esteem issues and bolster your ego by being condescending, and believing you must have greater intelligence because you know the secret to the world i.e. simplistic conspiracy theories. Or maybe you are experiencing a hypermanic episode. Whatever is happening with you, your behaviour is antisocial, and I hope you find self worth in more productive ways. Take care.
1964: The KID who WOULDN’T CONFORM | The Long Journey | Voice of the People | BBC Archive 0840am 14.5.24 Chumbawamba? that band was crap after a while... still; it cant have been that bad - i had a few of their albums stolen from me... the smarmy never mind the ballots being the only thing that seems to last the test of time... but, as i say, northerners are just northern - that's the selling point. reet tedious.
Isn’t this an extra on a Morrissey dvd somewhere?!
I can relate to this lady about social conformity. There are so many people in this world telling others what to do and how they should live their lives, when they should focus on themselves.
Maybe calling bs on the stuff you see in the world is what comes from focusing on yourself. You realize how much you care, how important it is and how many people want you to shut up about it.
Totally agree.
This was very good!❤
I really hate being cynical about an idealistic 16 year old but I'd like to know the real story behind this film. Was she genuinely running away from home to find a better life for herself or were her parents just nagging her to go to college or get a mundane job which she didn't want to do? How did the BBC find her? Was this a kind of docudrama and she wasn't running away at all and it was semi scripted? If not I'd like to know how her life turned out and did she find the world she was looking for or did she lose that idealism along the way. I hope not.
Seems semi-scripted to me. Like early Ken Loach. Voice-over narration at beginning especially seems too poetic/ mature for a young girl in the early 60s imho
She became a stand-up comedian.
She led her life wallowing in self pity.
Why don't you ask Santa about?...
The problem is Devil runs the world. He is lier and murderer. This is the reason why deception and violence are everywhere.
That's why we've got the Gospel about the God's kingdom.
Jehovah would put everything in order. The dead will be resurected and we'll meet our beloved ones again! :-)
She put on a mask and changed her name to ....Stephen Patrick Morrissey...😂🤣@@andydixon2980
‘Nature never made shoes.’ Fair point.
Yeah. But nature. Gave. Us the tools ⚒️ 🔥 to Survive and grow. & Clothes ourselves from the season weather
Nature never handed you a plate of food either. Does that mean we should not eat?
@@positivelynegative9149except she did lol. A variety of vegetation and free range animals yum!
@@positivelynegative9149 it was kind of tongue in cheek, but thanks for clarifying.
nature is the thorns. it doesn't want you to wear shoes.
Contrast her with the artist Sheila Fell also from around the same time whose home was in Cumbria. She is older than this girl but has a lot more fulfilment in life and has been to Art school in London, but returns to be in nature, she escapes the things these girls are discussing.
Absolutely amazing young women. So brave and intelligent
women?? children.
Beige: They were working full-time jobs at 14. Sixteen has never been classed as a child until lately. In fact you can't even get full adult minimum wage until you're 25 now. No wonder young people are regressing. Treat them like babies and they'll become dependent on you, perhaps forever
@@VMM34 21 actually
@@Black.Sabbath That's great. It used to be 25. Just looked it up and you're right, it's changed. It's about time. It was 25 for years but as of 2021 they treat over 21s as full human beings now. Edited to say it's been a long 25 years on that demeaning policy. It began in 1998 where under 25s weren't paid full wage
@@biegebythesea6775 16 wasn't considered a child at the time. You probably didn't call yourself a child when you were 16 either.
Amazing
I wonder where the hillside graveyard was filmed? Such a dismal place with the smoke eternally belching out of the factories. I'd plan my escape too!
BBC should find where they are now
...to all the other runaways, who couldn't wait to find a bigger, brighter world.
This would be good for an Adam Curtis documentary
Love the way everyone thinks this 'documentary' is real ........
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@@TruthAndFreedom. please shut the hell up
@@TruthAndFreedom. Keep taking your meds, despite what the voices tell you.
Free spirits. Inspiring
Interesting listen
Wednesday morning at 5 o'clock as the day begins.. my sister did the same when Sgt pepper came out in 1967- i wonder now how much this influenced her...
She's Leaving Home...
"Wednesday morning at 5 o'clock as the day begins.. " Oh my god, I was going to write that.
Without money you can’t get a home and without a home you can’t get a job and without a job you can’t get any money and repeat…
unless you're not one of us
@@VioletBagpipeSack-xf3ke🧕🏽
Simple as .....
Yes you can get a job without having a house. How silly. And without a job you can get money as well.
@@Strange-Vikingok sell your house quit your current job, give away all your money and go and live on the streets and then try and get another job and benefits and tell me how you get on
This kid is 76yrs old today if still alive
I was thinking the same, I would like to see a follow up if she’s still alive & let her tell her tale, her life story now that it is almost over & coming to a close..🤔
@@sallybutton6237 👍
@@sallybutton6237 watch 7 up
The houses were factories. The factories were monstrous. The value of relationships was so different then. I guess these girls hated the idea of being a cog. They probably experienced difficulty getting reciprocation from their relationships when technologies were taking over peoples lives. I guess now we are trying to find that industrial age meaning in relationships again at post capatilism consumerism.
I was born 1954. I would have been 10 years old. The streets cars buildings people look familiar memories. There was little outside influences. We had to work things out ourselves not influenced by a mobile 📱 phone.
Why does every single British clip from the old days have comments like this? I'm 52 and would rather live today than at any time before. "We had to work things out for ourselves" wtf does that even mean? We have every piece of knowledge at our fingertips in an instant. As these images show, it was miserable up to the late 90s. The tech boom put colour into the world. Bloody whining boomers.
@@Gaming-Shed well gamingshed I’m pleased you got knowledge at your fingertips. Sadly that’s why your brain no longer has to function. Also I’m sad you didn’t have a happy memorable childhood
@@Gaming-Shed Tell me about it. At least this one is not tacking on a comment about how "back when the UK was full of British people"...
It's people stuck in the past, rose-tinted goggles, mixed with actual problems that we have today, ironically mostly caused by politics also espoused by those same people.
@@Gaming-Shed We may have information and knowledge at our fingertips but the accuracy can be dubious often. We may have had to wait for a news broadcast or the morning newspapers, some could be trusted then, The Times or Daily Telegraph, some, Daily Herald (became The Sun) or the Daily Mirror less so. We could find detailed specialist information in the reference section of the local Public Library, they also had that day's newspapers and an archive of them.
Oh, I'm a Boomer.
It was better because we had more thinking time to work things out. We used to go to libraries and knew when to ask for advice. @@Gaming-Shed
Conformity and toeing the line have always been a societal thing and have always been around. I spent so much of my younger life wanting to break free, but it's not as simple as abandoning your former life. That said education and money can give you the freedom to breakout and have a more meaningful life without becoming vulnerable. I would love to know what happened to these two girls.
Where are these folks now?
This puts me in mind of the song "The Big Country" by Talking Heads. Wonderful film. I hope they lived long and fulfilled lives.
incredible poignancy - generations of people, entire cities...
Where is that girl now and what was her life like. Thats what I would like to see.
I feel the same, but being working class it isn’t much fun “running away” with your last £5 in your pocket, out in the pis.sing rain, cold. You’d soon return to mummy’s cooking and comfortable suburban semi detached house playing computer games = REALITY
I wouldn't be surprised if one became a barrister and the other, a secretary for the local Conservative party.
Ha ha yes - but in a way hope it is true as it would be better than some of the roads they could have chosen.
I'd swear the girl came knocking on my door last week just to slag off Sadiq Khan and tell me how her priority was to scrap ULEZ😂
No need to wish that fate on anyone surely?
Easily done then with free Universities with the right 'A' Levels and a grant for living and ancillary expenses if one qualified.
@@tonys1636 Now the government is asking a student take on a debt of £60,000 at the age of 18. There’s no more maintenance grant, just a maintenance loan University cost £9225 per year accommodation costs. If you have food included at a university is over £10,000 a year. My daughter is going to university this year to do physics. There’s a great shortage for physicists, so anyone studying the subject would be very beneficial to the country, but these degrees are on average M A, so it takes four years so she already knows she’s going to be £80,000 in debt, which at the moment has a 7% interest rate charge. It’s a very shortsighted proposal, not helping young people to get qualifications that were sorely lacking in this country, it will cause a brain drain.
The genius of youth
Yes.. this generation of youth.. they had time to think deeply about everything.. their minds aren’t assaulted by social media and the mass brainwashing
It seems kind of scripted somehow. The monologue at the two-minute mark is a 1960s version of "Choose Life".
she was probably asked to write something then speak like it's narration that's why.
.., almost like the programme makers knew exactly the sort of person they sought and exactly the sort of aspirations they wanted the programme to promote.
Imagine if they still did that now days. ., it would be awful!
Every news programme the producers might move twenty miles out of their office find some conventionaly affluent middle of the road person to question. Right on cue these fodder might bleat out their hardships and how the awful government could make their life better. Makes one shudder to think!
Lovely xxx
Teens were more mature & yet more innocent at the same time in days past, back when you were still taught to think for yourself
"taught to think for yourself" ROFL
They would try to runaway for 2 weeks at most, without money you can't do much with your life.
I’ve tried my best to not confirm…..as and when I can
1964, and still very relavant in 2024. People have way more ways to escape from 'reality' nowadays though.
I disagree a little. Modern reality is that technology and cameras are everywhere, there is no escape from it. I would love to be away from my phone, tv,laptop but modern life has made that almost impossible. My escape would be a small simple home and way of living.
I wonder what happened to them? Either got a job the next year or went and joined a hippy commune in Europe somewhere in the late 60s. Maybe.
She was a hippy 3 years before flower power came along. Surely she was a hippy chick when it arrived.
A Hippy ?? She's sociopathic !!
Hippies were kind and happy, easy going and positive....
She's more of a Beatnik, who'd been around since the late fifties.
@@edwardfletcher7790 A lot of "postiive" people, like in the new age now, cover up their abusive, sociopathic side with "being positive" and talking about "the universe" while exploiting others. There are thousands and thousands of cases.
Each way, regardless hippy, or beatnik or punk, they all were interested in living "outside the norm" and that in itself could be thought of as all sociopathic or part of mental instability maybe, which maybe is what is also being expressed, under the dressing of an identity or are just more interested in the horizon and exploring, maybe thinking a bit more about why we do what we do, than maybe others of that time, late 50s early 60s. Also, mental health was not at all what it is now. Some people like this, were sent to mental asylums and doped up or had electro shock therapy.
@@edwardfletcher7790 She's not sociopathic, what the hell are you talking about?
This kid is now 76
Mad, eh ? Time is a crazy thing !
there are two "kids" in it, if you have eyes
Or dead
@@ef1265, this documentary is about the first kid to appear on screen, the other kid is just featuring
@@Gretny, mad indeed.
Like Billy Liar's Liz.
Anyone know where she was being driven around in by the taxi / lift ? that countryside looks familiar ? Lancashire perhaps ? I couldn't read the sign posts. Also which city did she end up in ? was it Manchester / Leeds / Sheffield ?
I'd say it'd be around or near Sheffield
I seen 'Fidler Bros' on the side of a building and it comes up as Mansfield Rd, Sheffield. I think the pub on the left was called 'The Tadcaster', but i couldn't find it after a quick look on Google.
Not where it was filmed though. @adoreendure5377
That's the peak district, west of Sheffield.
Buses in the video correspond to Google pics of Sheffield buses circa 1964. An industrial hilly city in northern England.... yes I would go with Sheffield.
Empty roads. Most people did not rely on cars to get around. It's incredibly sad what has happened since then. The UK's roads are now stuffed with ten times as many cars, and all the people driving everywhere all the time insist that their use of the car is essential.
Go out to rural locations like that and they still are empty
yep hate it
@@heythisisminenotyours no, let's have this back in london again.
Predominantly because people couldn’t afford cars
Happy Mondays video or The Smiths😅👍🏻
I really enjoy the sentiments of this too , but i am curious about how it was put-together.,,, obviously she got to record a narration - were they her own words ? The camera is already in the vehicle when she’s hitchhiking and a few other things point to a collision of a production with the crew . Which leaves me conflicted as to what im really seeing. Was she a budding drama student or a straight up girl ready to runaway to London…, it was great to see but im glad this style of documentary/drama was abandoned by tv
I think the increased cost of living and housing will drive the young of today away from careers, jobs and formal education, and towards alternative lifestyles such as van life.
Practical skills such as mechanics, cooking and growing food will become important again, as people become digital nomads and self sufficient small holders.
The factory, the office, the supermarket and the shop is unnatural, and it's always felt alien to me.
Just hitched a lift and had the cheek to ask for money .
I wonder where this is filmed?
There’s no great world out there. Just more of the same
Tv and internet sells you a fantasy world
In the midst of life we are in death
She said she’s moved on 😂😂
Here generation were almost all like her. It was called "alternative ideas", led to "the underground culture".
At the 5 minute mark it looks grim
Still grim up north.
When I lived in Manchester, so much of the art in galleries was mostly tacky, garish portraits of celebrities, or variations of 1960s red brick lanes with factory chimneys and plumes of smoke. I know they were catering to nostalgia, but I found it depressing. Just loads & loads of those grey & polluted urban scenes.
Yeah yeah - say that again in the next heat wave 😎
Despite her narcissistic impoliteness, she's deeper, more educated, more well-spoken, and more centered than the vast majority of people I've met under 60 years of age or so.
She will be 76 years old now 🌹
Or pushing up the proverbial daisies.
Seven up
What a sad outlook on life they had.
Where are they now?
what's her accent? greater manchester? Leicester?
Middle class Lancastrian I'd say.
@@apathyintheuk265yes not a typical Woking class accent...
@@azillliasmith2734 A Woking class accent would be Paul Weller.
@@apathyintheuk265😂 Very good.
Where is she now
Lol. Back when 16 looked like mid 30’s. But the need for teens to explore & find their own meaning in life never changes. Nobody’s really free if they depend on money from others to eat, sleep, enjoy life though. In youth we can get away with it but not as adults.
5:40 6:18 6:39 8:37 😢
So it's not just me then ...!
Ahhh, barefoot can be so uplifting:liberating 🌞
Not sure what your point is but my dad could remember the unedifying sight of barefoot children in the 1930s.
Wow. She sounded SO grateful to have been given "a couple of bob" by the driver. (That's sarcasm by the way)
The cab driver even sounded disappointed by how unappreciative & even demanding she was.
I lost interest in the documentary after that
She’s leaving home.
Bye bye.
"Perfectly free"...to beg from people that conformed...they want to escape...but they're trapped...in their own depressed minds.
FREEDOM
Second one seems to have a Manchester accent first one more Lancashire
Not Lancashire
A depressed Kid .. who grows up and knows a few things ! .
1960s Sheffield... Neepsend power station 😜
Thank you I was wondering about the location....
Neepsend? In eastern Scots that translates as Turnipsend as we call turnips "neeps", haha.
This is so morrisseyesque
They're escaping abuse or neglect at home. When she compared herself to some old clothes being thrown out back home.
No indication of abuse in the video at all.
How you've come to that conclusion l just dont know
Having worked with a lot of very damaged and traumatised people over the years my "best guess" would be that "something" has happened to her in the past, or something has happened to someone close to her.
Hope she "escaped" from whatever she was running from and found the peace, purpose, and safety she was seeking.
May God bless her and those like her.
Most peoples lives were like that. Children and grownups not very close for the most part. Even if you worked from 14 you were still regarded as a child till you were 21. Parents probably working all hours to make ends meet and kids only seeing work and slog ahead for a little box to live in and this girl clearly wants to travel and enjoy nature and the world. Dreaming back then was not really approved of, even if your parents cared about you.
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This has all the signs of a having a psychedelic experience a little too early in life.
Having worked with a lot of very damaged people over the years my "best guess" is she has been through some kind of Trauma as opposed to drugs, and sadly the two are often not mutually exclusive.
She strikes me as being a troubled Soul.
@@of-qo9nv These are some of the same thoughts I had after having my first experience but with a few more years under my belt. Having an eye-opening experience is not "bad" IMO but can be overwhelming to someone 16yo. It seems as though she thought she had it all figured out but maybe not mature enough to know how the world really works.
@@ericjenkins2737 Do you know how the world works? Amazing? With advancing years the only thing I know is how little I really do know. Your perception is just that. Your perception, not a universal truth.
This was 1964. LSD didn't come onto the scene for another year or so.
I dont regret not conforming.
They were Goths before Goth was invented 🫤
Beatniks they were called.
@@hughtierneytierney3585.....oh! I was just going to post this😊 there is a very post beatnik vibe to this documentary slightly artificial too but it is bbc....
Conforming to productive , self improvement, community , career ect. I will have more than decent clothes ect, you must have freedom!
She sounds like a barrel of laughs! LOL I'd like to have gone camping with her friend though.
She asked for money when she got out at her stop. Free but needs to eat somehow.
The big difference between a woman and a man back then is that a woman can just marry a man that does all that for her so she doesnt have to live that life. One wage was ok for a family.
She would still be conforming everyday. A woman in 1964 who walked around barefoot with greasy hair and going to the pub whenever she liked would probably be committed to an asylum, even as a housewife there are a thousand societal norms she would have to adopt to become like the rest of the automatons in her community.
This world isn't for everyone.
Similar accents to Dame Vivienne Westwood
The freedoms that we've lost.
Light is breaking forth in my life and in the life of my brothers and sisters who have been suffering in the darkness in Jesus’ name Amen. Send forth your beautiful power spirit and let’s us champions of your Word and use us to win so many souls in love and boldness 🙏🙏🙏
That would be very dangerous now, in fact it was pretty silly then. Hitching and begging, jeez it was bad enough in the 80s when I hitched, and I’m male. Good job they’ve organised a camera crew in the lorry cabs before they get in.
Hitchhikes and taps the driver for money