How We Legally Make And Own Hand Grenades
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Hand grenades are such a fun little device. Hand grenades are basically a really refined time bomb optimized for the lowest common denominator of intelligence. Even though, people still incorrectly operate grenades when they throw the pin and drop the grenade. The real question is: can you legally own and make hand grenades? We get asked this a lot. We also get asked how we make grenades and other explosive devices without going to jail. Seeing as we have made countless hand grenades and other explosive devices without ending up in federal prison says we know a thing or two. So, Sean made this rather condensed explanation of how we legally make, store, and utilize hand grenades and other thrown explosive devices.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
01:49 - What Is A Destructive Device?
02:37 - Destructive Device Regulations
05:11 - Issues With A Form 1 Grenade
06:41 - How Are Grenades Regulated
12:04 - What About Improvised Grenades?
12:40 - Can You Legallly Own A Grenade? - Розваги
Even though we have said like a billion times that we can do this legally, we still get tons of comments about how we are going to get rolled up by the cops. Especially the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Their mighty oppressive ways are going to get us sooner or later for sure.
Jake is busy working on some new projects but always wants input on new ideas. We love to hear them! Be sure to leave a comment on what you want to see.
You guys never fail to give a chuckle.
I hope the RCMP meme carries on forever
How much do full grenades cost🤔
@@spankthemonkey3437they’re WORTH around $100/each from what I’ve been able to gather. The actual sale price would be determined by the seller though obviously, which could literally be anything they want to charge.
So to cut through the clickbait here, 99.99999% of citizens will never qualify for a FFL, FEL or FEP and amongst the few who do, the vast majority will not be approved to own, possess, sell or purchase hand grenades by their local law enforcement agencies. Good to know.
Moral of the story, if you ever hope to put your hands on a live military grade hand grenade, enlist in the military. Or perhaps head down to Nuevo Laredo or Jaurez and speak with your local Cartel Representative…if you’ve got the cajones and indifference to your own health and well being to do so.
I still want to see how *small* a shaped charge device can be made and still work as intended.
It strikes me that the inconsistencies in the geometry of the mechanical parts and grain of the explosive will be amplified as the device gets smaller, producing an ever sloppier jet and eventually no jet. But where does it happen for a given structural material and explosive?
They wouldn’t be at all practical of course, there are easier ways to for instance pick a lock or breach a door. OTOH, that could at least make a cool demo, punching through a lock instead of a steel plate.
Sooner or later, Sean will go to law school and become a lawyer so I don't have to hear him state he isn't a lawyer anymore.
Then he'll just say, "I'm not YOUR lawyer" 😂
If you watch him with the sound turned off it looks like he is in the navy because the way he waves his arms around, it looks he is messaging someone by means of semaphore. 😄
@@mtkoslowski dude, I laughed so hard reading this I dropped my phone.
@@hotforrobot good point
I'm so tired of this platform testing my comments and leaving them up on my end lol
Its pretty fascinating that they dont consider a can with shrapnel welded to it a nothing burger bc it doesnt have explosives in it yet BUT a flat piece of metal with some lines drawn on it a machine gun. They just extort the rules to fit whatever they want in the situation. Great video.
Not to mention “Constructive intent”…!
It's their job to put people in jail. they're REALLY good at it.
Many of those alphabet agencies like the ATF should be de Funded. DEA started as enforcing prohibition, when they was over, a bunch of agents had nothing to do, until they discovered grass, they ruined many lives in the decades ahead. Now they have really harmful stuff like fentenyl and they cannot do anything.
@@allhonesty848 it's their job to put dangerous criminals in jail, which they really suck at. Instead, they change their rules then go after law abiding citizens and FFL's.
They went after Matt and Justin because Matt was "poking the bear" by taunting and making fun of the ATF. That was actually a violation of the 1st Amendment.
Grenades and explosives were in "common use" back in 1789. I think we need SCOTUS to get to work on this ASAP! 😅
well grenades are arms, and we're supposed to have a right to bear them.
I believe they were in common use well before 1799
You might could win that argument in the hull. But, given there are clearly analogous Colonial era laws regarding the *storage* of both bulk explosives and (even more directly on point) specifically charged grenades, you can bet the fed explosives rules will remain and require you to bundle and maintain an appropriate magazine, records on the explosives inside the grenade, etc.
The very laws that SCOTUS said couldn't be used as historical analogs for firearms restrictions (because they aren't actually analogous when applied to the *guns* ) are 100% analogous to explosives. Because they were literally regulations restricting private possession of explosives (pretty much the only viable explosive known at the time) for public safety. Just like the similar historical laws that prohibited shooting in the city streets are analogous to the "discharging inside city limits" today ordinances that prohibit you from plinking in your McMansion suburban neighborhood with a 6.5 Creedmore.
Bruen, while an excellent ruling that clears up much of the stuff Heller and MacDonald left unaddressed, is *not* am Easy Button to Do What You Want. 😅
So were landmines...
BASED
i've been "hit" with a real flashbang a number of times (i was an actor in some police training) and i couldn't get over how hard the blast wave hits. even knowing it was coming, it still took me at least a full second to recover. i didn't notice any effect from the flash though. i suppose if i was in a completely dark room then it might have been more of a flash, but during the day you don't really see the flash at all. and i did literally get hit with one of them. the casing kind of shoots away when it goes off, and it hit me in the leg. left a nice bruise lol. i highly recommend being an actor in police training if you ever the chance. its the only time you get to shoot at cops in real life instead of GTA. of course i mean with a special sim round gun
Oh this sounds fun
How did you become an actor?
I almost participated in intoxicated suspect training for my 21st birthday, but there wasn't any going on at the time sadly. You fill out some paperwork and then the cops put a bunch of tequila in you and tell you to have fun.
I was a swat member for Louisiana dept of corrections and later local police..I know that flash bang wave very well.
I would love to do this for training but I would never help the police lol
Reminds me of filling out a pistol purchase permit in Michigan. The same form was used for buying pistols and dynamite. Guy in front of me in line was buying dynamite to blow up a beaver dam.
god bless america
Preventing Americans from having ICBMs or requiring paperwork be filled in by them to do so is unconstitutional.
Probably smart, however.
Is your ICBM MIRVed or just single warhead??
@@tonylam9548 I don't see any provision against multiple warheads, hypersonic glide vehicles or penetration aids in the 2nd Amendment. I do see "Shall not be infringed"
@@vinezero I think you'll find in 18th Century English "to bear" also includes things that bear you. So if your ICBM was launched from a recreational Ohio class submarine, B-52 bomber or MZKT-79221 transporter erector launcher you'd be allowed to have it. And f the Founders wanted people to launch nukes from subs, TELS or aircraft but didn't want them to do so from silos they'd have said so. And they did not.
The defence rests.
True, but we were given the 2nd amendment to keep the government inline but we have not done our job as free people (not plebs) since the battle of Athens. Thugs gonna thug on you if they have no consequences and well, the government has no consequences for fucking you.
This stuff is fascinating as hell. You could just do videos explaining this stuff and I'd grab the popcorn and watch em enthusiastically
Facts 😂
Yes yes
My dad is a prior EOD battalion commander, and I've tried to talk him into the civilian explosive realm, but he said the amount of work it would take to meet all the requirements wouldn't be worth the effort. I still think that it would be a bad ass hobby/side job
Bring out the holy hand grenade! And call the RCMP!! 😂😂
We constantly live in fear of the RCMP
@@OrdnanceLab rightly so.
So you should, so many of them to be found in the great state of Texas. fear not, however, because when they trample on your rights by dragging you away to the great white north, Ian Runkle will be there to save the day. @@OrdnanceLab
Will the RCMP do something about that wascally wabbit?
This is why I love this channel.
I don't really want to be near anything that blows up, but it's fun to watch lol.
I´m sure noone want to be near something that blows up X)
@@NotyourBussiness I mean like, no where near lol
Like, let the pros handle that shit lol
I didnt ment this seriously it was ajoke lol
Enlightening…
Ahhh, the days when a person could go to their town office and get a permit to transport dynamite and blasting caps from the local hardware stores magazine…
Ah, the good old days. You needed a tree stump removed you took care of it yourself.
You mean these days are over?
Says who?
My grandfather bought dynamite routinely when he was a preteen.
Wait we need a permit to do that?
Nobody talk to my old landlord then... I saw a 100-lb sack of "Ammonium nitrate, fuel oil (14% by weight) prilled" just sitting in his carport, you could spit on it from his back door.
I really enjoyed this video. Even more than the usual Ordnance Lab videos which I generally really enjoy. I appreciate knowing the "how" and "why".
i love you guys. the amount of information you give out is insane, the entertainment is just limitless.
I will now be going to apply for a form 1 to build such ICBM to see what mr atf man says
Back in the 70's, you could buy the grenade fuses through Soldier of Fortune magazine.
Informative and comedic, just love it. Cheers boys.
Great information here! Answered a bunch of my questions. Thanks for sharing!
That's super interesting how that works. As always cool video🤘
Somehow watching this as it's unlisted. Guess I'm the first.
Anyway, hi guys! Your videos are very helpful for our own research and we hope to work with you on some future projects.
You are actually. We leave the upcoming video private, normally. Jake had to make some edits and it was left in the "unlisted" category. So it's visible only if you look for it. Otherwise, it stays hidden until we release it.
He's the explosives experts I need on my apocalypse team.
Adams arms...good stuff !!!
I was actually curious if you had to pay the $200 permission slip with every device as an SOT
Now I no longer have to ask
"Your Mother was a Hamster, and your Father smelt of Elderberries."
"Go away, or I will taunt you a second time."
I mean, the taunt is savage, but I always liked the threat that followed, it was delivered with such a pointed demeanor. I feel they truly would taunt them again, those silly English K-niggets.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Sorry, but I'm fresh out of dairy cows!
@@jamesbromstead4949I told them we already got one.
Incredibly fascinating
So essentially, be wealthy, well connected and very determined. Gotcha.
you had me at 'holy hand grenade of Antioch',LOL
Love this!!!
These videos are the best 😂
your world is what you make it. nice job.
Could you do a video on the regs you have to comply with regarding storage and your magazines?
I could watch this for hours 😊
Thank you 😊
@0:59 Made me think about the scene with Harold and Kumar on a plane.. "Sir, You can't say bomb on an airplane."
👨🏻✈️ 😂
Actually,I was born onto a watchlist so....subscribed.
You are a freaking legend, gotta meet y'all some day. I'm near Houston too.
I approve of the Adam arms sponsor roll
Getting yourself added to watchlists for watching
Would love to see you test the types of drone dropped grenades we're seeing in Ukraine, and pattern them at different distances. Saw one video where a small one hit next to 3-4 55 gallon drums of diesel fuel, and there were at least 2 dozen streams coming out of each
Very interesting and educational. And, considering y'all can still count to ten with your shoes on, I think you know what you're doing. Considering how I heard a ditch was dug on a farm many years ago (dynamite and the charges not sequential... apparently, there were some broken windows a couple miles away), the mention of folks yeeting themselves out of the gene pool is relevant.
I've only worked with explosive devices once, several years ago, when I assisted a [licensed] guy who needed to blow a 200' long trench using regular dynamite. What an experience! Once I get my FFL and SOT for gunsmithing later this year I might get into explosive devices also, because removing beaver dams is needed around here and there aren't many places for the operators to find local support. This video really helped me understand some of the ins and outs that I'll need to be aware of, so thank you!
How hard is it to buy an excavator? or a showel? Easier than dynamite.
@@Njazmo That's not my decision; I was just the helper.
@@Njazmonot really practical to drive a machine through a swamp
@@HELPD3SKdefinitely easier to set charges and hopefully blow the little dam building bastards to hell along with their dam.
You talking about classifications of explosive devices and ordinance took me back to my childhood when I made a potato launcher. I found out shortly thereafter they’re classified as heavy artillery. Can you confirm that? Also, I think it would be pretty cool if you guys made some sort of a souped-up potato gun/grenade-launcher! 😊❤
Anything larger than 0.5 inch is automatically considered a destructive device unless specifically exempted by the ATF (exceptions include shotguns as 12g is 0.729”)
But the potato cannon probably being a muzzleloader is not considered a firearm unless you live in NYC or California or somewhere similar. So unless you built it to explode like a grenade, no not a DD
Also if one of these professionals does want to answer I’m sure I probably made some technical error
@@thomasa5619what about if you home make a mortar to launch out of it filled with black powder with an impact fuse made of a cut up shotgun shell and a marble on the primer that flys like a nerf football with fins to ensure stability that blows up when it hits the ground? I heard someone talking about doing that quite some time ago and was always curious lol
@@dothedewinme sounds like some sort of destructive device to me, the mortar shell itself anyway
@@thomasa5619 oh it for sure is. it's a hell of a good time though as long as you don't blow youself up ; )
I remember watching that hydraulic press channel from Finland, that guy always has hand grenades, usually in hi-vis colors. Mentioned one time "buying them at the market". Makes me wonder about such laws in Finland.
This is crazy the stuff they teach online
"Thats no ordinary rabbit..."
That movie never gets old
The definition of a grenade as a Dest. Dev. depends on it having at least 4oz of explosives, so a grenade with
The 4 ounce limit is for rockets propellant with “Explosive / Incendiary” payload, grenades would fall under the 1/4 ounce limit as ATF probably considers them “missiles”
@@elwildo14 Ah, that's an interpretation of the punctuation we hadn't considered, and probably the ATF line. The next question becomes "what's the difference between a 'bomb', a 'grenade', and a container full of explosives (like a plastic Tannerite jar) that isn't said to be either?"
@@AtlasArmsResearch I’m going to guess that if the tannerite has not been mixed, the jar is just a storage container. If it’s been mixed, the jar may qualify as a “receiver” (or other BATFE-specific jargon). Add a primer of some sort (solely for the sake of argument) and it’ll likely be a “destructive device”.
I’m guessing because I’m not a lawyer or explosives expert either, I’m just going on what was said in this and other publicly available sources. Obviously the BATFE has final say… until it changes its collective mind or a field office gets a wild hair and issues a new rule…
Do you understand how much 4 oz of HE can do?
@scrappydoo7887
Yes. The DM51 only uses ~2 of PETN. On the other hand US GI grenades use >6oz. But we all know the efficacy of an object is completely divorced from its legal definition.
Your doing Gods work
Think it would be funny to have the paper that says your approved to build an ICBM, I'd mount it in a frame on the wall lol
I really appreciate yall showing us the rules and laws about these devices. Ive always wanted to know how these devices was regulated. Most channels dont go in depth about the regulations.
hi davidhansen, have you become a flat earther yet?
shall not be infringed, no permit needed. got it. thanks!
Once upon a time in Virginia there was a store that sold live for $200ea!🎉🎉
Legal or not, it should be!
“…would very much frown upon that without a whole bunch of extra paperwork” 😂👍🏽
Where do you find the actual hulls? Or are they just cast iron displays that you register and fill ?
Very interesting 😁
So help me understand. For a flash bang, I could make a body no problem, but the spoon and charge held within it are regulated, but as a receiver and not an explosive? Therefore, I should be able to make my own and get it registered under a form 4 as long as I don’t use high explosives of any kind to detonate the flash bang to inadvertently make it into a lethal grenade? Is that right?
Yeah, I could see the ATF coming after your FFL real soon. God be with you my friend!!
Fascinating video. I guess I'll just stick with firecrackers on 4th of July. I'll risk a fingertip. But I don't want to risk an arm and a spleen. 😬💥
We watched this, sat in England. Envious of what you can do in America (my husband previously owned a pump action shotgun until the fun police changed the law) while simultaneously thinking WTF? It was like watching the end of an episode of Soap where the characters all froze and the voice over spoke about what was happening and always ended by saying, 'Confused? You will be. Join us on the next episode of Soap.'
The only explosive weapon my husband possess now, is his arse after a Vindaloo curry.
Chanced across your channel. Very interesting, so we subscribed.
Keep up the great work. Love from England 👍👍
This channel gives me a little bit of hope for America. I don't blame you I left Houston too I need to drop off a bunch of blue propane canisters for a mortar part two video.
Could you replicate the Ww2 Japanese porcelain grenade?
See how effective it was
😂 that Rabbit's dynamite!
I love you guys from UK
If I was confused before...im speechless now 😅.
Is the “blasting cap” on the grenade pin and spoon, as sensitive as blasting caps for C-4, to static electricity? We were always told to be very careful handling the blasting caps, as the static from our hands could cause a premature blast.
So would it be legal to fill in the hole in the metal at the bottom of a practice grenade that doesn'r contain any filler and has a non live fuse? Aka a dummy grenade?
I'm already on every government watch list anyway. Might as well enjoy the video.
hi johnspartan, have you become a flat earther yet?
yeah.... that rocks
So if you form 1 the blasting cap for the grenade it's not like you can reuse it right? I know the flash bang can be reused or at least the civilian ones can be but I'm lost on the grenade part if it all blows up.
I’m former Army Infantry, since live hand grenades are expensive and in the hands of an amateur they are dangerous. So to remedy that we used practice grenades. They had the receiver with holes, spoon mechanism with cap and maybe some powder. So what paperwork is required for that?
Would it be possible theoretically to require the buyer to sign a form omitting the seller from liability? Most gun stores I've been to require that for simple title 1 firearms transactions.
I hear Ordnance Lab is a fudd of the explosives world.
I'm not sure what you mean, and you really need to work on your syntax.
yeah i got the you dont need to own an ar15 vibe from this video
This is similar to Canada's Laws in that some grenade launchers are legal ( at least those exempt under 84(3)) but the explosive filler regulated by the Department of Energy, Mining and Northern Development. Legal by one department, illegal under another.
You guys should get with Wild Arms Research and Development so you can make an explosive warhead for his form 1 panzerfaust
You guys have to do the IED from The foreigner!!
do a video on the sparkler bomb and how lethal they are
So if you people wont sell them the a sot how do you get them?
Are the blue body hand grenades with a hole in the body used in grenade training, still an item that needs to be registered as a DD by the NFA?
I cannot believe anybody would go by this!
Good video, but I’d like much more detail on how to purchase these items legally. I feel stuck because I can’t order anything from anyone
hi xmw, have you become a flat earther yet?
@@flat-earther Go away, bot.
@@rucker69 I think a bot would help me because commenting manually takes time and energy
What do you do if one of the grenades you are tested does not go off? How do you make your range safe again after a dud?
The 2nd is absolute. Isn't it funny how quickly things become "legal" when you grease the right palm...
I landed a few military smoke nades and I had given them to someone who I heard from a stranger who said they may have destroyed the community pool back when they were in highschool
A question:
40mm grenades are regulated, but the mortar/artillery (whatever you call the shells launched from the tubes) fireworks are not.
What is the legal difference?
I would love to see the difference between the one MK 1 vs the 67.
So I have three training bodies, you know the grenade bodies with the hole in the bottom. I've always wished that I could find the "blasting caps" for them to teach my son the proper way to throw them so when the SHTF situation actually happens, he can deploy a real grenade properly. So from the information from the video I'm understanding that I CAN buy the "blasting caps". The problem is getting someone to sell them to me. Am I tracking that correctly? Just subscribed.
For filling grenades, do you prefer a cast HE or plasticized. It would be easier to hand pack C4 than the headache of trying to cast comb b but less performance
If you watch other videos you'll hear him mention that it is usually Gemini which is a proprietary made in house liquid binary.
hi eatalot, have you become a flat earther yet?
c4 is not as easy to work with as you think it is. casting comp b and using an inert forming plug would be the way to go.
Adam Savage always wanted to throw a grenade on Mythbusters, but never was able to. I'd love to see you bring him onto your location and let him toss one.
Me too!
Interesting though. Thanks
so demo ranch has some explosive stuff going on at his abandoned ranch, stupid question, but how hard would it be for you guys to do stuff like that?
Another great video, just a little jealous as living in the UK we can't have any of the fun stuff 😂
You can, you just let the government tell you that you can’t.
@@MCBob-nh4cr meanwhile back on planet earth......
@@scrappydoo7887 Technically, you don't have to follow any laws you don't want to. There may be consequences for exercising such freedoms, but that's more of a deterrent than an insurmountable limitation. The knowledge to do everything from manufacturing firearms to building nukes is out there in public. Machining tools are legal to b uy, sell, and import. Anyone with sufficient motivation and funding can create a literal factory to make these things, which is why those of us in free nations remind the rest of the world that firearms regulation only limits law abiding citizens. Individual criminals can still make rudimentary weapons and explosives. Criminal gangs and cartels can fund industrial manufacturing operations. And of course, there are also government level bad actors who seek to take everything your people have worked for by force, if they can.
@@theKashConnoisseur lol I'm well aware of that.
I however wasn't looking to glow brighter than the moon
@@scrappydoo7887 Best way to avoid glowing is to just stay out of the spotlight ;)
You are correct on everything plus the $200.00 fee per item
That'll happen when it's your livelihood
Can you just have the fuse head n only use a cap with no fuse powders.?for a perimeter alarm
There is an urban legend that if you have a few grenades you may be able to blast your way through the red tape associated with having said few grenades.
Dear Santa, please bring me several grenades 😂
Every time he waved his hand around i got scared and thought he was going to impale his hands on that sharp abomination in front of him
Approval to build an ICBM would make a great framed Wall hanger though😂
Cool
I have a Federal Firearms license for Curios and Relics. Can I legally own a relic like an old type grenade or Mortar that has been rendered safe or inert?
Just an FYI Antioch is pronounced Anti-ock - like clock, not Anti-och like crotch. Great video, Quick question, as a licensed explosive device maker, can you also just buy fully made grenades from a weapons manufacturer - or only the parts and assemble them yourself?
Somewhere in Ontario:
“IT’S THAT BOMB GUY AGAIN!!! CALL THE MOUNTIES!!!”