That difference in culture might result in a different (possibly more positive) attitude towards genetically engineering their own species. That introduces a possibility that Romulans genetically diverge from their Vulcan cousins much faster than normal evolution would account for. Something like same species as Vulcans in the TOS era, different species by TNG.
That's not quite true, in one of the original episodes it is explicitly said that there is a biological difference between Vulcans and Romulans, which is even essential in the episode, because that's the only way they can beam spock out of the Romulans' ship. Btw. it's the episode where they steal the Romulan cloaking device.
@@mitthrawnuruodo7517 You are aware there are biological differences between humans of different racial and ethnic make ups right? Anthropologists can tell a striking amount of you genealogy from no more than your bones. Why do you think reunification is such a drive for Spock?
Racism is something that we irl and in Fiction are deceptive to ourselves with. To see differences and or police our different types is not simply Phobia or hate.
I believe they pretty well spelled out in the TNG episode "Face Of The Enemy" that Romulans have no telepathic abilities. Else, why would they kidnap Counselor Troi?
The scary thing is, the Vulcans, being essentially cousins of the Romulans could have been just as powerful and threatening, if they had chosen to reject Surak's pacifist ways. Which means there's an alternate reality (within Trek) where there IS a Vulcan Star Empire.
They're literally the same race, those who marched beneath the raptors wing(the romulans) left vulcan 1,800 years before the start of Enterprise, they're literally just vulcans who don't follow surak's teachings.
@@tomasr. No, I'd have the raptors wing being the flag of a Vulcan nation state, a state who were the last holdout of the pre-surak society. I'd have the people who escaped Vulcan being the military of that state and their families, which would explain the militaristic aspect of the Romulan Empire.
I always thought Romulans were like Vulcans without the health regime. They are emotional with psychotharic tendancies but don't live as long as Vulcans or have the telepathic powers.
I mean, in reality it's highly fuking implausible that they'd be any different than their vulcan counterparts by being separated for just roughly 2000 years. It's an in-universe plot-hole obviously. But solving the plothole: I think they might have them, but are just not capable of accessing them like the vulcans can, because they don't spend time training them. They left before/during the rise of Surak. They lack all his teachings. Or you can just say that the handfull who left Vulcan 2000 years ago were part of an extremist religious/ideological group that constituted Vulcans who specifically lacked and telepathy, so after 2000 years Romulans lacking it, while still being physically and biologically "the same" species as Vulcans is completly plausible. Like red and blonde hair is quite uncommon in humanity, but if you were to pick 5000 red heads and blondes and put them on an island, 2000 years later everyone there will be gingers and blondes. They'd still be just as human as the rest of us.
@@Mukation The smaller the starting population, the more quickly it will diverge from its progenitor. The original "Romulan" population was probably extremely small, possibly in the low 10,000s range or lower. The smaller the population, the more quickly a random mutation will spread throughout said population. This would explain their pronounced forehead ridges (which are present on Vulcans, but massively reduced in size so that they are not visible from under muscle and skin, Sarek's skull in Picard Season 2 can be seen with a v-shaped ridge but far-less pronounced than on a Romulan), and their lack of telepathy, although the latter may have been purposefully bred out of their population.
@@joeallen9104 Possibly. The Romulan woman in picard season 1 who pretended to be vulcan and infiltrated Starfleet had telepathy, but it was explained that she was supposedly "half" romulan and "half" vulcan. The first romulans on screen in TOS looked _identical_ to Vulcans, with no physical differencies and not all had ridges in the TNG era either, so i'd gather it's just more common, like how certain eye colors, etc are more common in some populations.
@@Mukation I never claimed that they had spread through the entirety of the population, nowhere near enough time has passed for something like that to happen, especially given how large the Romulan population has gotten.
Please do try and separate Cultural differences from Racial traits. Romulans and Vulcans are about the same as two different Asian types.. Chinese and Japanese.} The duration of separation from when Romulans left Vulcan is like 1000 years I do believe. You can get a specific date from the "time of awakening" on Vulcan, that was about when the Romulans left. There is speculation that they believed in Embracing emotions instead of suppressing them as Surak had the Vulcans doing. The heart location you give is from Spock and his hearts location. Please note that Spock is half human, and that would impact the location of that organ. DS9 points out that Vulcans and Romulans share enough biological similarities that they should be safe to send to the same hospitals. Xenophobia is a cultural thing not a species / race thing. Those Forehead ridges, could also be physical alterations... Just like the Vulcans Mating cycle could be a direct result of suppressing their emotions. The Mental powers that Vulcans have could be a byproduct of the intense mental training and logic bit too.
I thought thar in DS9, it was said that Vulcans and Romulans are slightly different biologically. That's why the Romulans couldn't use the same medical facility as the Vulcans, resulting in the requirement to build a medical facility on one of Bajor's moon.
Great rebuttal, my friend. I think your insight into the Romulus and Vulcan evolutional variants as well as cultural differences is a sound hypothesis.
For the differences between Romulans and Vulcans to emerge over such a short period of time in evolutionary terms, the starting Romulan population would have to have been extremely small, possibly even in the low thousands or tens of thousands. The smaller the population, the more quickly mutations (e.g. enlarged forehead ridges) will spread through the population, and the faster the speciation process. Even so, given that Romulans and Vulcans tend to live to at least 200, it does seem implausible that the starting population was small enough for speciation/significant differences to emerge and then grow large enough to create and maintain a massive interstellar empire in such a short period of time. Maybe they have/had mandates for couples to produce many children to bring their population size up more quickly, but I haven't been able to find reference to this in any Star Trek material so far.
@@shawn092182 Both species could indeed use the same medical facility. But centuries of distrust resulted in one or both species not wanting to be in the same room-even for medical treatment. It could also be for security precautions.
I do like they reconciled some Romulans with head ridges and some without as northerners vs southerners. Though, it does make the show kinda quirky, as initially they were all without ridges, then they were all with ridges, and then both. Almost like their society was playing tag. "Ok, we did the last hundred years northerners. Your turn."
To be fair, in reality, our friends, family, lover, coworkers and boss probably all call us different things at times. Just not officially, more informally like pet names
In picard season one the romulan spy posing as a vulcan commodore does a mind meld on bruce maddoxes assistant so yes they can do.mind melds they choose not to.
Maybe only the group around Surak had those telepathic abilities, and those who left Vulcan and became Romulans and who lost the war did not have them. It could even be one of the reasons for the war.
I would say yes because Romulans are branch-off Vulcans who have built an Empire that can compete with the Federation. If not for the Federation, Romulans may have conquered Vulcan. I always thought this was a Star Trek fallacy though, how is the Vulcan Confederacy not stronger than the Romulan Star Empire and by comparison the Federation laughably ahead of the Romulans? Federation, if existed, would have way out paced the Klingons and Romulans by the TNG era.
NO. The Vulcans are warriors at heart. Very few species know how to provoke a Vulcan. They still teach self-defense. I do not know who would win in a war between Vulcan and Romulus.
The Romulans are definitely similar to the Japanese back in the 17th century the Sakoku border the neutral zone there clothes and suicide if there defeated
Per Roddenbury’s original writing Vulcans and Romulans are the same species. They differ culturally. Its like high elves and dark elves.
My thought exactly!
Also makes the most sense.
That difference in culture might result in a different (possibly more positive) attitude towards genetically engineering their own species. That introduces a possibility that Romulans genetically diverge from their Vulcan cousins much faster than normal evolution would account for. Something like same species as Vulcans in the TOS era, different species by TNG.
That's not quite true, in one of the original episodes it is explicitly said that there is a biological difference between Vulcans and Romulans, which is even essential in the episode, because that's the only way they can beam spock out of the Romulans' ship.
Btw. it's the episode where they steal the Romulan cloaking device.
@@mitthrawnuruodo7517 You are aware there are biological differences between humans of different racial and ethnic make ups right? Anthropologists can tell a striking amount of you genealogy from no more than your bones. Why do you think reunification is such a drive for Spock?
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Says Romulans are not xenophobic, goes on to describe them in the same way a white supremacist would be described 😅
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F**Ker, if I choose to start on you,
you'll know about it..😉
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Lynching for you perhaps?
Racism is something that we irl and in Fiction are deceptive to ourselves with. To see differences and or police our different types is not simply Phobia or hate.
The Romulans were always my favorite. That said the Romulan Republic from STO is really my favorite. Lol
I believe they pretty well spelled out in the TNG episode "Face Of The Enemy" that Romulans have no telepathic abilities. Else, why would they kidnap Counselor Troi?
Or kidnap the andorian in enterprise when the romulans are using that telepathy piloted holographic ship.
And in a previous TNG episode they establish Vulcans are not able to donate blood to the critically injured Romulan Soldier on board the Enterprise.
The scary thing is, the Vulcans, being essentially cousins of the Romulans could have been just as powerful and threatening, if they had chosen to reject Surak's pacifist ways.
Which means there's an alternate reality (within Trek) where there IS a Vulcan Star Empire.
Well, that's scarier. They might conquer Earth easily because their star is closer to us 💀
Much of what the narrator discusses is alternate universe, Kelvin timeline stuff. Prime universe Romulans still have a homeworld.
Lol, never lose hope. That’s my headbangen too
That romulan looks suspiciously like Spock’s dad.
Same actor that played Spock's father, that's why, it was odd to see him as a Romulan also.
@@novavortex7763 Thanks for explaining, jokes are usually better when explained.
@@tomasr. I wasn't joking what are you getting at?
they are the same actor.
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@@novavortex7763the original comment was the joke lol
They're literally the same race, those who marched beneath the raptors wing(the romulans) left vulcan 1,800 years before the start of Enterprise, they're literally just vulcans who don't follow surak's teachings.
If I were writing a book about Star Trek and the Vulcan civil war, the Raptor's Wing would be a colonization ship. Kind of like Nauvoo in The Expanse.
@@tomasr. No, I'd have the raptors wing being the flag of a Vulcan nation state, a state who were the last holdout of the pre-surak society.
I'd have the people who escaped Vulcan being the military of that state and their families, which would explain the militaristic aspect of the Romulan Empire.
I like that one.
I always thought Romulans were like Vulcans without the health regime. They are emotional with psychotharic tendancies but don't live as long as Vulcans or have the telepathic powers.
I mean, in reality it's highly fuking implausible that they'd be any different than their vulcan counterparts by being separated for just roughly 2000 years. It's an in-universe plot-hole obviously.
But solving the plothole: I think they might have them, but are just not capable of accessing them like the vulcans can, because they don't spend time training them. They left before/during the rise of Surak. They lack all his teachings. Or you can just say that the handfull who left Vulcan 2000 years ago were part of an extremist religious/ideological group that constituted Vulcans who specifically lacked and telepathy, so after 2000 years Romulans lacking it, while still being physically and biologically "the same" species as Vulcans is completly plausible.
Like red and blonde hair is quite uncommon in humanity, but if you were to pick 5000 red heads and blondes and put them on an island, 2000 years later everyone there will be gingers and blondes. They'd still be just as human as the rest of us.
@@Mukation The smaller the starting population, the more quickly it will diverge from its progenitor. The original "Romulan" population was probably extremely small, possibly in the low 10,000s range or lower. The smaller the population, the more quickly a random mutation will spread throughout said population. This would explain their pronounced forehead ridges (which are present on Vulcans, but massively reduced in size so that they are not visible from under muscle and skin, Sarek's skull in Picard Season 2 can be seen with a v-shaped ridge but far-less pronounced than on a Romulan), and their lack of telepathy, although the latter may have been purposefully bred out of their population.
@@joeallen9104 Possibly. The Romulan woman in picard season 1 who pretended to be vulcan and infiltrated Starfleet had telepathy, but it was explained that she was supposedly "half" romulan and "half" vulcan.
The first romulans on screen in TOS looked _identical_ to Vulcans, with no physical differencies and not all had ridges in the TNG era either, so i'd gather it's just more common, like how certain eye colors, etc are more common in some populations.
@@Mukation I never claimed that they had spread through the entirety of the population, nowhere near enough time has passed for something like that to happen, especially given how large the Romulan population has gotten.
Possibly a genetic offshoot, we see something similar with Andorians, who have a subrace with white skin and congenital blindness.
Romulans: Cropped cuts and clean shaven. New edgy Romulans: Unshaven and shaggy hair.
Make Romulus Great Again, Keep Romulus Great
Please do try and separate Cultural differences from Racial traits.
Romulans and Vulcans are about the same as two different Asian types.. Chinese and Japanese.}
The duration of separation from when Romulans left Vulcan is like 1000 years I do believe. You can get a specific date from the "time of awakening" on Vulcan, that was about when the Romulans left.
There is speculation that they believed in Embracing emotions instead of suppressing them as Surak had the Vulcans doing.
The heart location you give is from Spock and his hearts location. Please note that Spock is half human, and that would impact the location of that organ.
DS9 points out that Vulcans and Romulans share enough biological similarities that they should be safe to send to the same hospitals.
Xenophobia is a cultural thing not a species / race thing.
Those Forehead ridges, could also be physical alterations... Just like the Vulcans Mating cycle could be a direct result of suppressing their emotions.
The Mental powers that Vulcans have could be a byproduct of the intense mental training and logic bit too.
I thought thar in DS9, it was said that Vulcans and Romulans are slightly different biologically. That's why the Romulans couldn't use the same medical facility as the Vulcans, resulting in the requirement to build a medical facility on one of Bajor's moon.
Great rebuttal, my friend. I think your insight into the Romulus and Vulcan evolutional variants as well as cultural differences is a sound hypothesis.
Always no nut November on Vulcan, gotcha.👍🏽
For the differences between Romulans and Vulcans to emerge over such a short period of time in evolutionary terms, the starting Romulan population would have to have been extremely small, possibly even in the low thousands or tens of thousands. The smaller the population, the more quickly mutations (e.g. enlarged forehead ridges) will spread through the population, and the faster the speciation process. Even so, given that Romulans and Vulcans tend to live to at least 200, it does seem implausible that the starting population was small enough for speciation/significant differences to emerge and then grow large enough to create and maintain a massive interstellar empire in such a short period of time. Maybe they have/had mandates for couples to produce many children to bring their population size up more quickly, but I haven't been able to find reference to this in any Star Trek material so far.
@@shawn092182 Both species could indeed use the same medical facility. But centuries of distrust resulted in one or both species not wanting to be in the same room-even for medical treatment. It could also be for security precautions.
They also have the "Moe Howard" bowl haircut.
Basically the Romulans and the so-called "Macedonians" are very similar.
I do like they reconciled some Romulans with head ridges and some without as northerners vs southerners. Though, it does make the show kinda quirky, as initially they were all without ridges, then they were all with ridges, and then both. Almost like their society was playing tag.
"Ok, we did the last hundred years northerners. Your turn."
It could easily be explained with a powershift in dynamics. South were on top in TOS, then the North took over during TNG etc..
To be fair, in reality, our friends, family, lover, coworkers and boss probably all call us different things at times. Just not officially, more informally like pet names
Like the royal family with titles and names.
I saw the title and went: oooooouu
Its a Faaaake!coolest Romulan ambasador
Now we need more on the Mintakans so you can follow up the third vulcanoid direct cousin.
Do one on the Reemon
In picard season one the romulan spy posing as a vulcan commodore does a mind meld on bruce maddoxes assistant so yes they can do.mind melds they choose not to.
Yes
If Romulans are better than Vulcans, why don't they use the mind powers of the Vulcans.
Cause they do not have them. If a few do it is very limited.
Needed Vulcan discipline and Surak training to evolve ESP.
Maybe only the group around Surak had those telepathic abilities, and those who left Vulcan and became Romulans and who lost the war did not have them. It could even be one of the reasons for the war.
You know nothing about ST...THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES.
Did they ever win though?
What just happened?!
Do romulans go through pun-faa?
I would say yes because Romulans are branch-off Vulcans who have built an Empire that can compete with the Federation. If not for the Federation, Romulans may have conquered Vulcan. I always thought this was a Star Trek fallacy though, how is the Vulcan Confederacy not stronger than the Romulan Star Empire and by comparison the Federation laughably ahead of the Romulans? Federation, if existed, would have way out paced the Klingons and Romulans by the TNG era.
NO. The Vulcans are warriors at heart. Very few species know how to provoke a Vulcan. They still teach self-defense. I do not know who would win in a war between Vulcan and Romulus.
The Romulans are definitely similar to the Japanese back in the 17th century the Sakoku border the neutral zone there clothes and suicide if there defeated
Do Romulus get the pans fire that vulcans gets for mating
No, they don’t suppress emotions. pon Farr is the result of suppressing it. Its just 7 years of sexual frustration coming out lol
Live long and........wait.....your not a Vulcannnnnnn 😅
Thier blood is like acid
Just a little too much bass on that voice
i am NOT a"trekkie".
IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!