That difference in culture might result in a different (possibly more positive) attitude towards genetically engineering their own species. That introduces a possibility that Romulans genetically diverge from their Vulcan cousins much faster than normal evolution would account for. Something like same species as Vulcans in the TOS era, different species by TNG.
That's not quite true, in one of the original episodes it is explicitly said that there is a biological difference between Vulcans and Romulans, which is even essential in the episode, because that's the only way they can beam spock out of the Romulans' ship. Btw. it's the episode where they steal the Romulan cloaking device.
@@mitthrawnuruodo7517 You are aware there are biological differences between humans of different racial and ethnic make ups right? Anthropologists can tell a striking amount of you genealogy from no more than your bones. Why do you think reunification is such a drive for Spock?
The scary thing is, the Vulcans, being essentially cousins of the Romulans could have been just as powerful and threatening, if they had chosen to reject Surak's pacifist ways. Which means there's an alternate reality (within Trek) where there IS a Vulcan Star Empire.
I believe they pretty well spelled out in the TNG episode "Face Of The Enemy" that Romulans have no telepathic abilities. Else, why would they kidnap Counselor Troi?
@@josephgandy4585, she was posing as a Romulan. She later said she was a Vulcan Operative. She was then uncovered to be a member of a Vulcan Isolationalist group who wanted Vulcan to leave the Federation. That's why she was trying to get the resonator, so she could kill the entire Vulcan leadership all at once with a single thought, then force the Vulcans to withdraw from the Federation. That's also why she was able to activate the resonator because she was Vulcan not Romulan.
Racism is something that we irl and in Fiction are deceptive to ourselves with. To see differences and or police our different types is not simply Phobia or hate.
They're literally the same race, those who marched beneath the raptors wing(the romulans) left vulcan 1,800 years before the start of Enterprise, they're literally just vulcans who don't follow surak's teachings.
@@tomasr. No, I'd have the raptors wing being the flag of a Vulcan nation state, a state who were the last holdout of the pre-surak society. I'd have the people who escaped Vulcan being the military of that state and their families, which would explain the militaristic aspect of the Romulan Empire.
I believe one day, the time line here would be retconned. The "Q", (Quin) move the Romulan ancestors fleet through time as well as space. Backward in time to, make the alpha quadrant more interesting?
I always thought Romulans were like Vulcans without the health regime. They are emotional with psychotharic tendancies but don't live as long as Vulcans or have the telepathic powers.
I mean, in reality it's highly fuking implausible that they'd be any different than their vulcan counterparts by being separated for just roughly 2000 years. It's an in-universe plot-hole obviously. But solving the plothole: I think they might have them, but are just not capable of accessing them like the vulcans can, because they don't spend time training them. They left before/during the rise of Surak. They lack all his teachings. Or you can just say that the handfull who left Vulcan 2000 years ago were part of an extremist religious/ideological group that constituted Vulcans who specifically lacked and telepathy, so after 2000 years Romulans lacking it, while still being physically and biologically "the same" species as Vulcans is completly plausible. Like red and blonde hair is quite uncommon in humanity, but if you were to pick 5000 red heads and blondes and put them on an island, 2000 years later everyone there will be gingers and blondes. They'd still be just as human as the rest of us.
@@Mukation The smaller the starting population, the more quickly it will diverge from its progenitor. The original "Romulan" population was probably extremely small, possibly in the low 10,000s range or lower. The smaller the population, the more quickly a random mutation will spread throughout said population. This would explain their pronounced forehead ridges (which are present on Vulcans, but massively reduced in size so that they are not visible from under muscle and skin, Sarek's skull in Picard Season 2 can be seen with a v-shaped ridge but far-less pronounced than on a Romulan), and their lack of telepathy, although the latter may have been purposefully bred out of their population.
@@joeallen9104 Possibly. The Romulan woman in picard season 1 who pretended to be vulcan and infiltrated Starfleet had telepathy, but it was explained that she was supposedly "half" romulan and "half" vulcan. The first romulans on screen in TOS looked _identical_ to Vulcans, with no physical differencies and not all had ridges in the TNG era either, so i'd gather it's just more common, like how certain eye colors, etc are more common in some populations.
@@Mukation I never claimed that they had spread through the entirety of the population, nowhere near enough time has passed for something like that to happen, especially given how large the Romulan population has gotten.
Please do try and separate Cultural differences from Racial traits. Romulans and Vulcans are about the same as two different Asian types.. Chinese and Japanese.} The duration of separation from when Romulans left Vulcan is like 1000 years I do believe. You can get a specific date from the "time of awakening" on Vulcan, that was about when the Romulans left. There is speculation that they believed in Embracing emotions instead of suppressing them as Surak had the Vulcans doing. The heart location you give is from Spock and his hearts location. Please note that Spock is half human, and that would impact the location of that organ. DS9 points out that Vulcans and Romulans share enough biological similarities that they should be safe to send to the same hospitals. Xenophobia is a cultural thing not a species / race thing. Those Forehead ridges, could also be physical alterations... Just like the Vulcans Mating cycle could be a direct result of suppressing their emotions. The Mental powers that Vulcans have could be a byproduct of the intense mental training and logic bit too.
I thought thar in DS9, it was said that Vulcans and Romulans are slightly different biologically. That's why the Romulans couldn't use the same medical facility as the Vulcans, resulting in the requirement to build a medical facility on one of Bajor's moon.
Great rebuttal, my friend. I think your insight into the Romulus and Vulcan evolutional variants as well as cultural differences is a sound hypothesis.
For the differences between Romulans and Vulcans to emerge over such a short period of time in evolutionary terms, the starting Romulan population would have to have been extremely small, possibly even in the low thousands or tens of thousands. The smaller the population, the more quickly mutations (e.g. enlarged forehead ridges) will spread through the population, and the faster the speciation process. Even so, given that Romulans and Vulcans tend to live to at least 200, it does seem implausible that the starting population was small enough for speciation/significant differences to emerge and then grow large enough to create and maintain a massive interstellar empire in such a short period of time. Maybe they have/had mandates for couples to produce many children to bring their population size up more quickly, but I haven't been able to find reference to this in any Star Trek material so far.
@@shawn092182 Both species could indeed use the same medical facility. But centuries of distrust resulted in one or both species not wanting to be in the same room-even for medical treatment. It could also be for security precautions.
Maybe only the group around Surak had those telepathic abilities, and those who left Vulcan and became Romulans and who lost the war did not have them. It could even be one of the reasons for the war.
To be fair, in reality, our friends, family, lover, coworkers and boss probably all call us different things at times. Just not officially, more informally like pet names
I do like they reconciled some Romulans with head ridges and some without as northerners vs southerners. Though, it does make the show kinda quirky, as initially they were all without ridges, then they were all with ridges, and then both. Almost like their society was playing tag. "Ok, we did the last hundred years northerners. Your turn."
In picard season one the romulan spy posing as a vulcan commodore does a mind meld on bruce maddoxes assistant so yes they can do.mind melds they choose not to.
The Vulcan's mindmeld or telepathy do Romulan retain any of these abilities? Do they have the pon'var issue? The mating drive of once every seven years?
Romulan. During the 4th century, with the departure of the Vulcan gods, an internal crisis began on the planet, where the Vulcans rebelled against each other, generating a civil war lasting many years, around thousands of Vulcans died, with the great wave of violence. The young Surak returned to an era of peace on Vulcan in the great awakening by being a divine disciple and ordered to create logic and new teachings, indoctrinating the Vulcan people to a new era of peace and harmony, founding the IDIC (Infinite Diversity, Infinite Combination), expanding new horizons in a new evolutionary society. After 80 years, a remaining group of the old rebellion led by the new leader, S'task, were grouped on the other side of the planet in a pirate colony, to take control of Vulcan again, honoring their dead descendants and starting a new war against Surak's idealism and his logic, trying to segregate a militarist rebel caravan, the powerful IDIC council, ordered a punishment to the group of rebel Vulcans and their leader S'task, to expel everyone from the planet, in three large exile military starships, where the once peace was restored in Vulcan , S'task and his anti-Vulcan rebel caravan set out into deep space in search of founding a new world, (long before the arrival of the Sargons on Vulcan) . In space exile, in their visits to other worlds, the caravan led by S'task created an outlaw militarism among them, looting and destroying cities, to obtain power and glory, rejecting the customs and Vulcan origin among them, called themselves the Rihannsu. For 50 years, the Rihannsu (vulcanoids) established contact with worlds, which gave them opportunities for union and partnership, which ended up mixing between them as: Calder II (Vulcan hybrid with the Chenar species, with two V-lines on the forehead), Dessica II (Vulcan hybrid with the native Garidians species with voluminous forehead and V-type hair fringe), Draken IV (Vulcan hybrid with the Halanan species , with wide nose and thick ears, ancestor of the Romulan Nero), Yadalla Prime (there were some Yadallan hybrids with more pointed eyebrows and ears, without the vulcanoid hair, similar to human hair) and Barradas III, the descendants of Debrune (legitimate Vulcans). The Vulcan Rihannsu Debrune was the descendant of the three sons of S'task, he was the supreme commander of one of Vulcan's three exile ships, one of these ships was the "pure blood" of Vulcan, when Debrune died in his colony in Barradas III, the colonizers decided to baptize themselves in his honor as Debrunes. An incident occurred between two caravans for attempting to betray the Rihannsu ordinance, two groups from the caravan Calder II and Dessica II, were punished to a planet and abandoned, the Rihannsu killed their parents and spared their children, the children began to live in caves, who years later created primitive and resourceless settlements, which they later called Mintakians, founding the planet Mintaka III. At the beginning of the 23rd century, a Federation scientist infiltrated among them, opened a request for the star fleet to study the evolution of the species Mintakian in camouflaged posts on the planet. The planet Barradas III had a colony of Rihannsu Debrune, which established itself on the planet in a short period of time, but an asteroid fall made the Debrune caravan abandon the Barradas III, who left the planet joining the Rihannsu caravans. The Debrunes were the only ones to have the DNA and appearances reminiscent of the Vulcans, as they did not have a mixing link to other species like the other brothers. The three ships were too old to be renovated, a pact between the three caravans was formed to go to a nearby planet with life, to honor the ancestor S'task. The three ships found a star with two twin planets, one of which looked like life. The Rihannsu caravan descended to the planet, definitively populating the planet. 30 years later, a race of alien visitors, who called themselves from the neighboring planet, came into conflict with the Rihannsu, but a bond of union between them, the planets Romulus and Remus, was founded, with the Reman union, providing the Romulans with technology and weapons, the Remans had a direct connection with the Klingon species, who were introduced to the Romulans, initiating a union of technology between them. After 100 years of union between the Klingons, the Romulans gained the merit of being imperialists, having their own star empire, with the expansion of power and sovereignty, Klingon and Romulan technology developed camouflage technology, which they introduced into their ships, both They had the Stormbirds class, the first Klingon/Romulan ship to gain ground between the two empires. The union of the Klingon and Romulan empires ended after a disagreement over territorial power, starting a civil war between them, and since then the two empires have become enemies, the Klingon/Romulan Stormbirds, divided between the two empires, and started different ship constructions in design, for the gradual deactivation of the Stormbirds, which disappeared in both empires in 2270. With the birth of the Federation and the Starfleet, the ships walked into deep space entering the Beta quadrant in the year 2160, at this time, the Romulans had the hidden image of the Federation, a new conflict of civil war arose between the Federation and the Romulan empire that lasted 50 years, which ended at the beginning of the 23rd century. There was a treaty between the Federation and the Romulan empire dividing territories to break an infinite war between them, in a segregation of worlds that was called the Neutral Zone, imposing asteroid walls in the division of territories. There were many conflicts between the Federation and the Romulan empire for many years, but with the Dominion war, which was a major terrorist threat to all quarters, the Romulans began an alliance with the Federation and the Klingons, to combat the Dominions and even the Borg. In 2387, the great star of the Romulan system, Neral, was dying and collapsing, there was an internal war to abandon the planet Romulus and Remus, overcrowding even the military ships, of the 30 billion Romulans on the planet, only 800 thousand remained. saved by drifting into space in search of support and help, where the destructive wave of the supernova destroyed the entire Romulan system. A year later, in 2388, in Captain Jean Luc Picard's last mission on the USS ENTERPRISE NCC 1701-E, together with Captain William Riker's USS TITAN NCC 80102, they created a task force to rescue the homeless Romulans, to transfer all an M-class Federation planet called Vashti, which was a few light years away from the star Neral, with all the characteristics of the late planet Romulus, among the recipients of the planet Vashti was Admiral Saavik, who ordered a support group for Romulan refugees. The Remans, on the other hand, ignored the Federation's help and settled in their large lunar bases, in two systems very far from Remus, still in the Beta quadrant. There was a smaller group of Romulans from the Tal Shiar, who were among the Remans in their bases, among them was Empress Sela. In 2398, with the arrival of a disorganized Borg cube infected by Admiral Janeway's virus, around 1 million Borg of various species had their collective bond broken, among the Borg was Hugh, the Federation and the Romulans came together to deactivate the Borg cube, and start a scientific cooperative, as a united Borg/Federation/Romulan technology institution, transforming the Borg cube into a BX base, using the individual Borg in a process of alteration between them, so that the two worlds of refugees can have a new life of technological work. Hugh, Narek and Sagi were the main members and representatives of the cooperative, where 7 of 9 also helped with Hugh's work, called director BX, the institution was opened a year later, in 2399. In 2400, a rebellion by Commodore OH (half Romulan/Human), against the Federation, a spy from the secret service of the extinct Tal Shiar, using troops from Romulan ships to take possession of Doctor Soong's cybernetic network to a hidden planet, the mission of the Commodore was defeated by Captain Riker, leading a huge troop of Federation ships. The Romulans handed Commodore OH over to the Federation for trial, which left conflicts with the Federation behind in the peace pact between them. 80 years later, the Romulans, already established on the planet Vashti, with a new empire, officially named the planet Romulak. This consolidated the destroyed of the Neutral Zone's asteroid wall, which put an end to the Neutral Zone itself, where Federation ships and Romulan ships walked together in both quadrants.
Are the Remons also related to the Vulcans and Romulans? Perhaps they resemble their ancient ancestors more than the other two. And perhaps Remons were enslaved by the Romulans even back on Vulcan. Maybe part of the war was about slavery. Vulcans think slavery was illogical and wanted it outlawed planet wide, hence the war.
Romulans are what the Vulcans were too before Sarak emerged and taught logic rather then emotion. Some refused Sarak teachings and parted ways with him and his followers and searched out a new planet home world and there became The Romulans. After the split they each developed and evolved differently.The Vulcans learned disciplines the Romulans never did such as mind melds and the paralyze pinch. Romulans had diseases Vulcans never did. The plant Vulcan may have provided protections from them Romulus never could.
The Romulans are definitely similar to the Japanese back in the 17th century the Sakoku border the neutral zone there clothes and suicide if there defeated
I would say yes because Romulans are branch-off Vulcans who have built an Empire that can compete with the Federation. If not for the Federation, Romulans may have conquered Vulcan. I always thought this was a Star Trek fallacy though, how is the Vulcan Confederacy not stronger than the Romulan Star Empire and by comparison the Federation laughably ahead of the Romulans? Federation, if existed, would have way out paced the Klingons and Romulans by the TNG era.
NO. The Vulcans are warriors at heart. Very few species know how to provoke a Vulcan. They still teach self-defense. I do not know who would win in a war between Vulcan and Romulus.
Per Roddenbury’s original writing Vulcans and Romulans are the same species. They differ culturally. Its like high elves and dark elves.
My thought exactly!
Also makes the most sense.
That difference in culture might result in a different (possibly more positive) attitude towards genetically engineering their own species. That introduces a possibility that Romulans genetically diverge from their Vulcan cousins much faster than normal evolution would account for. Something like same species as Vulcans in the TOS era, different species by TNG.
That's not quite true, in one of the original episodes it is explicitly said that there is a biological difference between Vulcans and Romulans, which is even essential in the episode, because that's the only way they can beam spock out of the Romulans' ship.
Btw. it's the episode where they steal the Romulan cloaking device.
@@mitthrawnuruodo7517 You are aware there are biological differences between humans of different racial and ethnic make ups right? Anthropologists can tell a striking amount of you genealogy from no more than your bones. Why do you think reunification is such a drive for Spock?
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The Romulans were always my favorite. That said the Romulan Republic from STO is really my favorite. Lol
The scary thing is, the Vulcans, being essentially cousins of the Romulans could have been just as powerful and threatening, if they had chosen to reject Surak's pacifist ways.
Which means there's an alternate reality (within Trek) where there IS a Vulcan Star Empire.
Well, that's scarier. They might conquer Earth easily because their star is closer to us 💀
Love the idea.
I believe they pretty well spelled out in the TNG episode "Face Of The Enemy" that Romulans have no telepathic abilities. Else, why would they kidnap Counselor Troi?
Or kidnap the andorian in enterprise when the romulans are using that telepathy piloted holographic ship.
And in a previous TNG episode they establish Vulcans are not able to donate blood to the critically injured Romulan Soldier on board the Enterprise.
The one episode where a romulan was looking for and was able to use an ancient Vulcan psionic device.
@@josephgandy4585, she was posing as a Romulan. She later said she was a Vulcan Operative. She was then uncovered to be a member of a Vulcan Isolationalist group who wanted Vulcan to leave the Federation. That's why she was trying to get the resonator, so she could kill the entire Vulcan leadership all at once with a single thought, then force the Vulcans to withdraw from the Federation. That's also why she was able to activate the resonator because she was Vulcan not Romulan.
Says Romulans are not xenophobic, goes on to describe them in the same way a white supremacist would be described 😅
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Mater tua est meretrix 😉🤣
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F**Ker, if I choose to start on you,
you'll know about it..😉
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Lynching for you perhaps?
Racism is something that we irl and in Fiction are deceptive to ourselves with. To see differences and or police our different types is not simply Phobia or hate.
When I used to play Star Trek online "Game", I liked using a "Romulan character" because they have great tech and cool stories!
They also have the "Moe Howard" bowl haircut.
Much of what the narrator discusses is alternate universe, Kelvin timeline stuff. Prime universe Romulans still have a homeworld.
Lol, never lose hope. That’s my headbangen too
@@tuttuttut7758 The Prime universe Romulus was the one that was destroyed.
@@fmlazar I know... and it ducking sucked. They need to retcon it. The stoeyline was beyond stupid. Any decent writer with half a brain can fix it
They're literally the same race, those who marched beneath the raptors wing(the romulans) left vulcan 1,800 years before the start of Enterprise, they're literally just vulcans who don't follow surak's teachings.
If I were writing a book about Star Trek and the Vulcan civil war, the Raptor's Wing would be a colonization ship. Kind of like Nauvoo in The Expanse.
@@tomasr. No, I'd have the raptors wing being the flag of a Vulcan nation state, a state who were the last holdout of the pre-surak society.
I'd have the people who escaped Vulcan being the military of that state and their families, which would explain the militaristic aspect of the Romulan Empire.
I like that one.
I believe one day, the time line here would be retconned. The "Q", (Quin) move the Romulan ancestors fleet through time as well as space. Backward in time to, make the alpha quadrant more interesting?
That romulan looks suspiciously like Spock’s dad.
Same actor that played Spock's father, that's why, it was odd to see him as a Romulan also.
@@novavortex7763 Thanks for explaining, jokes are usually better when explained.
@@tomasr. I wasn't joking what are you getting at?
they are the same actor.
@@tomasr. 🤣
@@novavortex7763the original comment was the joke lol
I always thought Romulans were like Vulcans without the health regime. They are emotional with psychotharic tendancies but don't live as long as Vulcans or have the telepathic powers.
I mean, in reality it's highly fuking implausible that they'd be any different than their vulcan counterparts by being separated for just roughly 2000 years. It's an in-universe plot-hole obviously.
But solving the plothole: I think they might have them, but are just not capable of accessing them like the vulcans can, because they don't spend time training them. They left before/during the rise of Surak. They lack all his teachings. Or you can just say that the handfull who left Vulcan 2000 years ago were part of an extremist religious/ideological group that constituted Vulcans who specifically lacked and telepathy, so after 2000 years Romulans lacking it, while still being physically and biologically "the same" species as Vulcans is completly plausible.
Like red and blonde hair is quite uncommon in humanity, but if you were to pick 5000 red heads and blondes and put them on an island, 2000 years later everyone there will be gingers and blondes. They'd still be just as human as the rest of us.
@@Mukation The smaller the starting population, the more quickly it will diverge from its progenitor. The original "Romulan" population was probably extremely small, possibly in the low 10,000s range or lower. The smaller the population, the more quickly a random mutation will spread throughout said population. This would explain their pronounced forehead ridges (which are present on Vulcans, but massively reduced in size so that they are not visible from under muscle and skin, Sarek's skull in Picard Season 2 can be seen with a v-shaped ridge but far-less pronounced than on a Romulan), and their lack of telepathy, although the latter may have been purposefully bred out of their population.
@@joeallen9104 Possibly. The Romulan woman in picard season 1 who pretended to be vulcan and infiltrated Starfleet had telepathy, but it was explained that she was supposedly "half" romulan and "half" vulcan.
The first romulans on screen in TOS looked _identical_ to Vulcans, with no physical differencies and not all had ridges in the TNG era either, so i'd gather it's just more common, like how certain eye colors, etc are more common in some populations.
@@Mukation I never claimed that they had spread through the entirety of the population, nowhere near enough time has passed for something like that to happen, especially given how large the Romulan population has gotten.
Possibly a genetic offshoot, we see something similar with Andorians, who have a subrace with white skin and congenital blindness.
Romulans: Cropped cuts and clean shaven. New edgy Romulans: Unshaven and shaggy hair.
Basically the Romulans and the so-called "Macedonians" are very similar.
Are Romulans Better Species Than Vulcans?
Yes.
Now we need more on the Mintakans so you can follow up the third vulcanoid direct cousin.
Make Romulus Great Again, Keep Romulus Great
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You kind of totally missed out on the Reman subrace.
Do one on the Reemon
Please do try and separate Cultural differences from Racial traits.
Romulans and Vulcans are about the same as two different Asian types.. Chinese and Japanese.}
The duration of separation from when Romulans left Vulcan is like 1000 years I do believe. You can get a specific date from the "time of awakening" on Vulcan, that was about when the Romulans left.
There is speculation that they believed in Embracing emotions instead of suppressing them as Surak had the Vulcans doing.
The heart location you give is from Spock and his hearts location. Please note that Spock is half human, and that would impact the location of that organ.
DS9 points out that Vulcans and Romulans share enough biological similarities that they should be safe to send to the same hospitals.
Xenophobia is a cultural thing not a species / race thing.
Those Forehead ridges, could also be physical alterations... Just like the Vulcans Mating cycle could be a direct result of suppressing their emotions.
The Mental powers that Vulcans have could be a byproduct of the intense mental training and logic bit too.
I thought thar in DS9, it was said that Vulcans and Romulans are slightly different biologically. That's why the Romulans couldn't use the same medical facility as the Vulcans, resulting in the requirement to build a medical facility on one of Bajor's moon.
Great rebuttal, my friend. I think your insight into the Romulus and Vulcan evolutional variants as well as cultural differences is a sound hypothesis.
Always no nut November on Vulcan, gotcha.👍🏽
For the differences between Romulans and Vulcans to emerge over such a short period of time in evolutionary terms, the starting Romulan population would have to have been extremely small, possibly even in the low thousands or tens of thousands. The smaller the population, the more quickly mutations (e.g. enlarged forehead ridges) will spread through the population, and the faster the speciation process. Even so, given that Romulans and Vulcans tend to live to at least 200, it does seem implausible that the starting population was small enough for speciation/significant differences to emerge and then grow large enough to create and maintain a massive interstellar empire in such a short period of time. Maybe they have/had mandates for couples to produce many children to bring their population size up more quickly, but I haven't been able to find reference to this in any Star Trek material so far.
@@shawn092182 Both species could indeed use the same medical facility. But centuries of distrust resulted in one or both species not wanting to be in the same room-even for medical treatment. It could also be for security precautions.
If Romulans are better than Vulcans, why don't they use the mind powers of the Vulcans.
Cause they do not have them. If a few do it is very limited.
Needed Vulcan discipline and Surak training to evolve ESP.
Maybe only the group around Surak had those telepathic abilities, and those who left Vulcan and became Romulans and who lost the war did not have them. It could even be one of the reasons for the war.
To be fair, in reality, our friends, family, lover, coworkers and boss probably all call us different things at times. Just not officially, more informally like pet names
Like the royal family with titles and names.
You know nothing about ST...THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES.
I do like they reconciled some Romulans with head ridges and some without as northerners vs southerners. Though, it does make the show kinda quirky, as initially they were all without ridges, then they were all with ridges, and then both. Almost like their society was playing tag.
"Ok, we did the last hundred years northerners. Your turn."
It could easily be explained with a powershift in dynamics. South were on top in TOS, then the North took over during TNG etc..
In picard season one the romulan spy posing as a vulcan commodore does a mind meld on bruce maddoxes assistant so yes they can do.mind melds they choose not to.
Do Romulus get the pans fire that vulcans gets for mating
No, they don’t suppress emotions. pon Farr is the result of suppressing it. Its just 7 years of sexual frustration coming out lol
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Do romulans go through pun-faa?
The Vulcan's mindmeld or telepathy do Romulan retain any of these abilities? Do they have the pon'var issue? The mating drive of once every seven years?
Romulan.
During the 4th century, with the departure of the Vulcan gods, an internal crisis began on the planet, where the Vulcans rebelled against each other, generating a civil war lasting many years, around thousands of Vulcans died, with the great wave of violence.
The young Surak returned to an era of peace on Vulcan in the great awakening by being a divine disciple and ordered to create logic and new teachings, indoctrinating the Vulcan people to a new era of peace and harmony, founding the IDIC (Infinite Diversity, Infinite Combination), expanding new horizons in a new evolutionary society.
After 80 years, a remaining group of the old rebellion led by the new leader, S'task, were grouped on the other side of the planet in a pirate colony, to take control of Vulcan again, honoring their dead descendants and starting a new war against Surak's idealism and his logic, trying to segregate a militarist rebel caravan, the powerful IDIC council, ordered a punishment to the group of rebel Vulcans and their leader S'task, to expel everyone from the planet, in three large exile military starships, where the once peace was restored in Vulcan , S'task and his anti-Vulcan rebel caravan set out into deep space in search of founding a new world, (long before the arrival of the Sargons on Vulcan) .
In space exile, in their visits to other worlds, the caravan led by S'task created an outlaw militarism among them, looting and destroying cities, to obtain power and glory, rejecting the customs and Vulcan origin among them, called themselves the Rihannsu.
For 50 years, the Rihannsu (vulcanoids) established contact with worlds, which gave them opportunities for union and partnership, which ended up mixing between them as:
Calder II (Vulcan hybrid with the Chenar species, with two V-lines on the forehead), Dessica II (Vulcan hybrid with the native Garidians species with voluminous forehead and V-type hair fringe), Draken IV (Vulcan hybrid with the Halanan species , with wide nose and thick ears, ancestor of the Romulan Nero), Yadalla Prime (there were some Yadallan hybrids with more pointed eyebrows and ears, without the vulcanoid hair, similar to human hair) and Barradas III, the descendants of Debrune (legitimate Vulcans).
The Vulcan Rihannsu Debrune was the descendant of the three sons of S'task, he was the supreme commander of one of Vulcan's three exile ships, one of these ships was the "pure blood" of Vulcan, when Debrune died in his colony in Barradas III, the colonizers decided to baptize themselves in his honor as Debrunes.
An incident occurred between two caravans for attempting to betray the Rihannsu ordinance, two groups from the caravan Calder II and Dessica II, were punished to a planet and abandoned, the Rihannsu killed their parents and spared their children, the children began to live in caves, who years later created primitive and resourceless settlements, which they later called Mintakians, founding the planet Mintaka III. At the beginning of the 23rd century, a Federation scientist infiltrated among them, opened a request for the star fleet to study the evolution of the species Mintakian in camouflaged posts on the planet.
The planet Barradas III had a colony of Rihannsu Debrune, which established itself on the planet in a short period of time, but an asteroid fall made the Debrune caravan abandon the Barradas III, who left the planet joining the Rihannsu caravans. The Debrunes were the only ones to have the DNA and appearances reminiscent of the Vulcans, as they did not have a mixing link to other species like the other brothers.
The three ships were too old to be renovated, a pact between the three caravans was formed to go to a nearby planet with life, to honor the ancestor S'task.
The three ships found a star with two twin planets, one of which looked like life. The Rihannsu caravan descended to the planet, definitively populating the planet.
30 years later, a race of alien visitors, who called themselves from the neighboring planet, came into conflict with the Rihannsu, but a bond of union between them, the planets Romulus and Remus, was founded, with the Reman union, providing the Romulans with technology and weapons, the Remans had a direct connection with the Klingon species, who were introduced to the Romulans, initiating a union of technology between them.
After 100 years of union between the Klingons, the Romulans gained the merit of being imperialists, having their own star empire, with the expansion of power and sovereignty, Klingon and Romulan technology developed camouflage technology, which they introduced into their ships, both They had the Stormbirds class, the first Klingon/Romulan ship to gain ground between the two empires.
The union of the Klingon and Romulan empires ended after a disagreement over territorial power, starting a civil war between them, and since then the two empires have become enemies, the Klingon/Romulan Stormbirds, divided between the two empires, and started different ship constructions in design, for the gradual deactivation of the Stormbirds, which disappeared in both empires in 2270.
With the birth of the Federation and the Starfleet, the ships walked into deep space entering the Beta quadrant in the year 2160, at this time, the Romulans had the hidden image of the Federation, a new conflict of civil war arose between the Federation and the Romulan empire that lasted 50 years, which ended at the beginning of the 23rd century. There was a treaty between the Federation and the Romulan empire dividing territories to break an infinite war between them, in a segregation of worlds that was called the Neutral Zone, imposing asteroid walls in the division of territories.
There were many conflicts between the Federation and the Romulan empire for many years, but with the Dominion war, which was a major terrorist threat to all quarters, the Romulans began an alliance with the Federation and the Klingons, to combat the Dominions and even the Borg.
In 2387, the great star of the Romulan system, Neral, was dying and collapsing, there was an internal war to abandon the planet Romulus and Remus, overcrowding even the military ships, of the 30 billion Romulans on the planet, only 800 thousand remained. saved by drifting into space in search of support and help, where the destructive wave of the supernova destroyed the entire Romulan system.
A year later, in 2388, in Captain Jean Luc Picard's last mission on the USS ENTERPRISE NCC 1701-E, together with Captain William Riker's USS TITAN NCC 80102, they created a task force to rescue the homeless Romulans, to transfer all an M-class Federation planet called Vashti, which was a few light years away from the star Neral, with all the characteristics of the late planet Romulus, among the recipients of the planet Vashti was Admiral Saavik, who ordered a support group for Romulan refugees. The Remans, on the other hand, ignored the Federation's help and settled in their large lunar bases, in two systems very far from Remus, still in the Beta quadrant. There was a smaller group of Romulans from the Tal Shiar, who were among the Remans in their bases, among them was Empress Sela.
In 2398, with the arrival of a disorganized Borg cube infected by Admiral Janeway's virus, around 1 million Borg of various species had their collective bond broken, among the Borg was Hugh, the Federation and the Romulans came together to deactivate the Borg cube, and start a scientific cooperative, as a united Borg/Federation/Romulan technology institution, transforming the Borg cube into a BX base, using the individual Borg in a process of alteration between them, so that the two worlds of refugees can have a new life of technological work. Hugh, Narek and Sagi were the main members and representatives of the cooperative, where 7 of 9 also helped with Hugh's work, called director BX, the institution was opened a year later, in 2399.
In 2400, a rebellion by Commodore OH (half Romulan/Human), against the Federation, a spy from the secret service of the extinct Tal Shiar, using troops from Romulan ships to take possession of Doctor Soong's cybernetic network to a hidden planet, the mission of the Commodore was defeated by Captain Riker, leading a huge troop of Federation ships. The Romulans handed Commodore OH over to the Federation for trial, which left conflicts with the Federation behind in the peace pact between them.
80 years later, the Romulans, already established on the planet Vashti, with a new empire, officially named the planet Romulak. This consolidated the destroyed of the Neutral Zone's asteroid wall, which put an end to the Neutral Zone itself, where Federation ships and Romulan ships walked together in both quadrants.
Are the Remons also related to the Vulcans and Romulans? Perhaps they resemble their ancient ancestors more than the other two. And perhaps Remons were enslaved by the Romulans even back on Vulcan. Maybe part of the war was about slavery. Vulcans think slavery was illogical and wanted it outlawed planet wide, hence the war.
Romulans are what the Vulcans were too before Sarak emerged and taught logic rather then emotion. Some refused Sarak teachings and parted ways with him and his followers and searched out a new planet home world and there became The Romulans. After the split they each developed and evolved differently.The Vulcans learned disciplines the Romulans never did such as mind melds and the paralyze pinch. Romulans had diseases Vulcans never did. The plant Vulcan may have provided protections from them Romulus never could.
Its a Faaaake!coolest Romulan ambasador
Did they ever win though?
The Romulans are definitely similar to the Japanese back in the 17th century the Sakoku border the neutral zone there clothes and suicide if there defeated
I would say yes because Romulans are branch-off Vulcans who have built an Empire that can compete with the Federation. If not for the Federation, Romulans may have conquered Vulcan. I always thought this was a Star Trek fallacy though, how is the Vulcan Confederacy not stronger than the Romulan Star Empire and by comparison the Federation laughably ahead of the Romulans? Federation, if existed, would have way out paced the Klingons and Romulans by the TNG era.
NO. The Vulcans are warriors at heart. Very few species know how to provoke a Vulcan. They still teach self-defense. I do not know who would win in a war between Vulcan and Romulus.
Yes
I;M telling this I wish rigs was NOT added to the Romulans skull One would tell them from from the Vulcan because the Romulans have bad attitudes.
Live long and........wait.....your not a Vulcannnnnnn 😅
What just happened?!
Just a little too much bass on that voice
i am NOT a"trekkie".
Thier blood is like acid
IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!