BEFORE YOU COMMENT this video is for entertainment first, and my own opinion second. My answer is not the definitive answer and it never will be. Also its a game if u get that upset over a games story quit yappin u got school tomorrow lil bro ❤
@pappo447 i like the games and i own fnaf 4 but im too scared to play it considering i shit myself the first time i played it and failed when i didnt hear funny bunny
A good thing to also keep in mind that Game Theory is the ONLY go-to for theories at the time, since even scott might have retconned the story due to Mat making short work of the leading story. Also I just wanna add onto this opinion of yours, it feels like scott is trying to cater to as many demographics as possible, so kids are included. That means its not horror, thats not scary, goosebumps was more scary than this singular grain of salt added for spiciness that is the later games after 4. That is why I recommend Graveyard Shift at Freddies and Twelveman_OP's analogue horror to turn the singular grain of salt into what people imagine a pile of molten industrial grade glass tastes like.
last year i hallucinated nightmare fredbear outside my bedroom window while i was on the verge of sleeping. he was doing his hallway pose as he looked at me and ever since then seeing him leaves me with a sense of paranoia
That reminds me, years ago, I once had a dream where he chased me down the halls of a laboratory, and I fended him off with a fire extinguisher. It was a goofy dream, and I couldn't take him seriously after that. 😂
FNAF 4 was probably retconned all the way back in Sister Location, with the secret Night 5 cameras and the Breaker Room map depicting the FNAF 4 bedroom as a part of the Circus Baby Bunker. Also some tiny lore corrections cuz Im a huge ass nerd: the experiments don't start in 1983, that's the earliest they can, but it's more likely theyre in the late 80s to early 90s. All of these experiments were driven by William Afton's grief-fueled insanity/evil as he was trying to "put the Crying Child back together" like he promised him (The FNAF VR Curse of Dreadbear dlc is actually all about this plot line). The FNAF 4 gameplay is still a dream, except this time it's Michael Afton's, we know this cuz Mike draws Nightmare Fredbear in a game-cannon activity book (weird ik), and the fact a reversed audio of Phone Guy plays sometimes as an easter egg in FNAF 4. Also FNAF 1 was always before SL, for a number of reasons. Only reason Afton sent Mike down into the bunker in the first place was to kill him off after FNAF 1. Imo FNAF 4 worked great as just a nightmare. Theories like Matpat's Dream theory, which claimed every game was a dream; really pissed off some fans, which made Scott turn hard the other direction and make the series more sci-fi. Aside from all that BS, this video was beautifully edited and really well scripted.
Why did he want to kill Michael though? Because of the death of the Crying Child? If so, why didn't he do it before? When did Afton's killings start? Did he kill Charlotte before or after the Bite of 83? If Michael is the FNaF 1 protagonist, and considering the hypothesis it takes place before Sister Location then did he find out his father's murders there or at the Sister Location? Jeremy suffered the Bite of 87, so he can't be Michael, is Michael the one in nights 6 and 7? It still doesn't make sense to be Michael in FNaF 2. When did Michael start his search for William? After 93 when he got Springlocked? Did he start his search and then found out about his father's murders or did he start his search BECAUSE of the murders? Did Elizabeth REALLY die before C.C? If so, why would William already be building murder robots? Maybe Elizabeth simply lives with her mom instead and wasn't at the party? Wtf does Midnight Motorist even mean? For me this is roughly the timeline with what I managed to put together -Bite of 83 -Charlotte's Death -Midnight Motorist (???) -MCI -FNaF 2 (not Michael) -FNaF SL (Confirmed to be Michael) -FNaF 1 (Possibly Michael) -William gets springlocked Years go on -FNaF 3 (Very Probably Michael) -FNaF 6 (Confirmed to be Michael)
Mike would find out about the ghosts in fnaf 1, and since he knows his father's ties to the company he keeps questioning his father until William eventually slips. That's what the Immortal and the Restless segments are all about, The Immortal - William and The Restless - Michael. Every episode Clara confronts Vlad with an obvious truth (the baby is his) and Vlad denies everything. Eventually Vlad slips up and brings up that he had bought a kids meal. This gives us a good outline of what happened between William and his son. Every chance Mike got he grilled William on what he knew about the ghosts he encountered in FNAF 1, eventually just like Vlad, William slipped up and revealed too much. Mike knew of Williams crimes, so William would try getting rid of him. (In the movie he stabs his own daughter so this isn't out of character) Then Will goes missing and Mike goes looking for him. CC definitely died before Elizabeth, hell Elizabeth probably died all the way after 1987, cuz why would William kill kids by hand if he had killer kidnap robots? TL goes -Bite of 83' -Charlotte's Death -Midnight Motorist (???) -MCI -FNaF 2 (not Michael) -Somewhere here William kidnaps kids to test fear (Possibly MM) -Lizzie gets nabbed by Baby -FNaF 1 (Michael) -Mike confronts William, William tells Mike to go to SL bunker -William gets springlocked -FNaF SL (Michael) -Mike dreams up FNAF 4 gameplay, seeing the memories of Afton's experiment victims in his dreams. Years go on -FNaF 3 (Very Probably Michael) -FNaF 6 (Michael) This is my best idea of the story, I like it a lot more than other versions of the TL cuz of how much it characterizes Mike compared to a lot of other people's TLs. Plus it feels like a story someone like Scot would actually write @@ErickGameplaysN64
William never promised the Crying Child that he will put him back together. Pizzeria Simulator never once ever mentions it anywhere, and neither do any of the books. If William is the Fredbear Plush, how come only the Crying Child can see him and hear his voice?
@@A.B.-ub9un The Aftons continually talk about putting things back together. Mike and Elizabeth say it. It's such an obvious hint that William is the one to originally say it
@@h2p012 The issue is that in FNaF World, a dead child who is implied to be Charlie repeats what the Fredbear Plush said, word for word: "Something bad happened, and now I am here. But I won't let the same happen to you. I will put you back together." "We're still your friends, do you still believe that? The pieces are in place for you. All you have to do is find them. Rest." There's also Michael Brooks, who also uses the phrase when referring to the other missing children. "I must put them back together". There's also the issue on how nowhere in Sister Location nor Pizzeria Simulator has William ever brought up that entire plan was to bring back his dead son. In fact, William never mentions the Crying Child as his sole motive whatsoever. He instead just brags how he's immortal. Did he just... forgot about the promise he supposedly made?
At this point, I'm pretty sure that the only way to deal with this is to believe that there's two separate continuities: one for the games from FNaF 1 to 6, and one for the books and the games from Help Wanted onwards.
The only thing I disagree with in this video is your mentioning of SL being after 1 and 2 being a bad thing. It's never made sense to me how Afton's high tech murder machines could somehow predate the clunky barely functional classic animatronics from the first game that more accurately parodied real world animatronics. Having SL be post FNaF 1 and 2 I feel resolves that issue, if only by just a little bit, by having the Funtimes' story play out after the classics were long dismantled. And let's be honest, Michael Afton has literally 0 character anyways lol. Other than that, I hard agree with everything else you said. Scott probably thinks all these unnecessary changes are a good thing, but it just further proves that the man has no fuckin clue what he's doing half the time with this story anymore. I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if the franchise is only still alive with this amount of convoluted bullshit just to sell to kids and make a quick buck. It's why I refuse to acknowledge any FNaF game after 4. FNaF 3 was an excellent stopping point for the main storyline with Afton being skewered by the suit of his own making, stuck in his own personal hell, and the souls moving on while FNaF 4 was simply a tragic yet terrifying way to bid farewell to the series.
this video shows that trying to make the FNAF lore make ANY SENSE is useless because clearly Scott didn't think much of the lore of the game up until sister location, and now the fucking timeline is so fucked up it just doesn't make any sense, and NOW there are books trying to retcon the story when clearly it doesn't work. i mean people wonder why matpat had a hard time trying to solve the lore, because **THE LORE JUST DOESNT FUCKING WORK** it simply just doesn't work, what even is the point of trying to make the lore make any sense when every game other game don't even connect story wise. (mb for alots of mispells and shitty typing)
bro finally someone said something, to me dittophobia made all the possibilities from fnaf 4 shallow and stupid, it's a cheap explanation that doesnt actually awnser anything, like why are there all these stuff from hospital that appear as easter eggs sometimes? why does the bedroom actually resemble the CC bedroom from the minigames, even if just by a little?
13:35 is actually interesting because i kinda thought that was established years ago? coulda swore he's gone on record as saying FNAF was always a sort of parody and he was never taking it seriously as far back as even the first game in the series, that he mainly rolled with it because everyone dug the hell out of it and kept buying it, so why not keep going and be set for life financially? which... i can't even blame him for, i'd probably do the same thing in his shoes
Bet you ant never heard the theory, told to me by a kid in gradeschool. The puppet doesn't kill you by jumping in your face, no no. But by poisoning you with the two purple tears tracks that he is crying. The puppet is also controlled by withered bonnie.
I always say fnaf 4 is the only game that has the ability to happen multiple times in the series to different characters (The main nights not the minigames.). Dittophobia didn't retcon the dream thing that was SL in the private room if anything cause if the nights and the bedroom isn't real (It's not CC's bedroom cause we see it in the minigame.) then how is it seemingly real and seen through a camera during the Ennard fight? You just completely glossed over that fact like it doesn't exist. Heck all of the hospital stuff you could just say is there because Mike is having the dreams and feels guilty of being you know the literal cause of his brother's death. Honestly it seems kinda weird if the crying child is seeing his hospital room from within his dream. Also SL can happen at literally anytime at this point like it could not matter less. Not important to the rant or anything but there is a vent in the bedroom, the possibility was always there, and of we don't see any mannequins we are in the middle of the nightmare
Nightmare would be a "mannequin". He's so translucent that you can see his Nightmare Endoskeleton as if his illusion is failing. Sister Location's Breaker Room Map and Private Room pretty much heavily imply that the FNAF 4 Nights were real, quite probably experiements. If anything, saying Sister Location retconned FNAF 4 would probably be more accurate, not Dittophobia which just clarifies things we already suspected from SL. I never liked the idea of FNAF 4 Nights being experiments as I'd much rather they'd just be nightmares had by Michael (the idea of experiments seems to unnecessarily complicate things). But......I'm willing to see where this is going.
Nor is it that the gameplay of FNAF 4 is an experiment, the fact that the gameplay occurs in Michael's nightmares is still valid, but how do you explain the fact that Mike in the Logbook drew N. Fredbear as one of his recent nightmares? FNAF 1 hidden call? And what about the flowers, the hospital tube and the pills appearing out of nowhere?
@@The_BlueDragon My explanation would be that, for Michael, the FNAF 4 Nights are nightmares of his time being experimented on along with his guilt over the Bite of '83. Really wish experiments played no part in this, though.
The general idea of dittophobia is pretty cool but adding it to fnaf 4 is lame in my eyes. Really enjoyed the video and especially the editing. Good job m8
Tbh the Dittophobia story didn’t even “retcon” FNaF 4, because this was hinted that the four main Nightmare animatronics (and probably Plushtrap to an extent) were originally was just apart of the experiments from William Afton back in Sister Location, which is something that Dittophobia finally proved it.
It's likely (based on the reversed phone calls heard in the background of the game) that the gameplay of fnaf 4 was always intended to take place after fnaf 1
Honestly I'm just glad to get some clarity on FNAF 4 and I did enjoy the story but yeah FNAF 4 feels like a game Scott was constantly at odds with in regards to what he truly wanted it to mean.
I disagree, I think nothing is retconned. We didn't even know if SL happened before fnaf 1, there was a lack of evidence actually. I think it was always supposed to be after fnaf 1, we just didn't know yet, although I always believed it did.
Your Ending Conclusion that Dittophobia retroactively changed & ruined the Old Timeline doesn't have legs to stand on when what you assume to be the objective "Old Timeline" (IE: FNaF 4 -> SL -> FNaF 2 -> FNaF 1) was at best a Possible Theory & at worst extremely far from the true series of events. Dittophobia didn't shift around the timeline, (FNaF 4 -> FNaF 2 -> FNaF 1 -> SL) has always been a prevalent and admittedly most likely series of events.
Otherwise I do really enjoy your content, just have to call out how saying information from a Book "Ruined the Timeline" isn't as genuine as "Ruined MY Timeline"
Yeah it was more so just how for most of the time ive known of fnaf that was the most agreed upon timeline and its the one I believe in. Im not involved in the fnaf community as much and I haven't payed much attention to any recent theories so Ig im out of the loop and the video reflects that The video's main purpose was to sort-of close that idea that the timeline i've believed in for years is more than likely false at this point Thank you for the criticism, def should've worded shit better
I thought scott had made it clear at one point that the books and the games werent the same stories. At least that is how it was when silver eyes came out. I dont think the book was meant to change anything of the game's story
Nah, he only said that about the novel trilogy. Frights and Tales, however, are designed to give us answers, which isn't something the novel trilogy was originally intended to do
Gotta love it because back in 2015, when everyone believed that the game was just about the CC's nightmares, Scott still made a post saying that nobody solved the story of FNAF 4. He's said in the past that some of these games were made to clarify certain parts of the story that were not made entirely clear, or that gave people the wrong idea, at some point he even considered making a separate game just to clarify that Mike is not Springtrap. The point is, if FNAF 4's story was this simple, then Sister Location literally wouldn't exist.
Fnaf was supposed to end at the 3rd game, Scott didn't know were to go from it. Although I do like the 4th through 7th games, they served more as embellishments to the original story
Oh yeah… I’m subscribing after this… your art is really cool and I really enjoy your editing style. Nice and short and too the point as well. I hope you get big, and I hope to see you improve as you keep growing. 😊
In my opinion i think the idea of dittophobia goes pretty well with fnaf 4 mainly because of the book "The Twisted Ones" which showcases the illusion disk which is capable of making a bleak robot look like a absolute abomination of a living creature and at the same time William was a inventor unlike henry as thats why in sister location the robots look more metallic and robotic compared to the withered animatronics and fred bears cast of character's which were a combination of henry and afton's work
Fnaf 4 was my first introduction to game theory. Got me through some tough times, and I’m real sad Matpat is leaving. Wait, what were we talking about again?
I think you're kinda forgetting Scott isnt really much in charge of the franchise anymore, after the whole controversy thing. Or he came back as head writer and I didn't know. Either way FNaF should've ended after Ultimate Custom Night or they should've just rebooted the franchise so they could tell a new story.
Scott really did not retire. He's literally as active in the community as he's ever been, there's nothing at all to suggest he's left. In fact, someone on twitter pointed out that it seems like Dittophobia was one of the stories that was literally written by SCOTT HIMSELF
Dude, this theory was always present, mattpatt legit almost found every detail of what you said is retconning... im pretty sure its true that it simply never was JUST night terrors
Do you realize SL wasnt even planned? And that fnsf 4 was the OG last game of the saga? How it makes sense that story revoñves around a game that wasnt intended to exist
I do agree, i swear i dont like the "oh its illusion disks/gases" i just like the theory its The Bite victim is his coma, or just his dreams. (im sorry but illusion disks/gases dont make fucking sense)
I've been a fan of FNAF since the beginning and the way you told the story of the FNAF 4 minigames had me experiencing the story for the first time again. I've seen every game theory and so many lets plays over the years and I truly love this franchise but the story and the visuals are old hat, they don't carry the same punch they once did. Until now, that is. Thank you for bringing me back to the bite of 83
I honestly dont know why scott doesnt make another series at this point like sure fnaf will be his biggest IP but his name can make games outside of it sell im sure and even if the new series fails it wouldnt cost him much the guy works fast as lightning remeber most of the fnaf series had devolpment times of like 6 months so give him 1 or 2 years and a team and im sure he could make a new IP thats just as good as fnaf and he could make it sci-fi And his Scifi horror ideas are fucking good illusion disks that can make you see an entire false reality with sound alone, The mimic, The Vanni mask, etc these ideas would be absolute bangers in a series better fit for them
Sister Location has always taken place after Fnaf 1 because the Molten MCI theory was proven true based off the endos in the furnace in Ennard’s Hardmode
You watching UA-cam on a fucking 3DS is both insane but also extremely relatable for that era. Edit: Also if it makes you feel any better, all of the books take place in a canon seperate from the games, nothing that happens in the books are concrete to the lore and most fans don't consider them taking place alongside the games. If I can make an admittedly weird comparison, its kind of like how DBZ had a shit ton of movies in the 90s that took place in the universe with the characters, but weren't actually canon to the anime.
Personally, i think that the books just happend in the universe, and doesn't have much/nothing to do with the games. I just like the stories in the books! Some are quite good!
Nah, FNAF 4 was ruined this exact way a long time ago, with Sister Location. Dittophobia was only a stick beating a dead horse. I still love FNAF 4 very much, and I still like to view the story in that older era lense we all used to look at it as I play it, same for the other first 3 games.
This entire video is just describing FNaF 4 for about 9 minutes before getting into the actual main argument of the video. I watched this video to hear about why you don’t like Dittophobia and what it does to FNaF’s story, not to hear a summary of FNaF 4.
Here's the problem though. You recall Scott retiring from Fnaf right? Is he still responsible for the books now? I mean, he wrote the original trilogy, but what about the tales from the Pizzaplex? Is he the author? Well it does have his name, it also has two other names; Amanda and Kelly. Whos to say they aren't the authors and Scott's just an illustrator, or an advisor, or a special mention because he made the series?
Actually based ass video. Luckily though the actual gameplay of fnaf 4 is still a nightmare, according to the survival guide it was Michael who was having nightmares about the fnaf 4 animatronics. In the book there is a part that asks "have you had nightmares" or something like that and Michael draws nightmare Fredbear, also in fnaf 4 you can sometimes hear in the distance the phone guy's call from fnaf 1 but in reverse, and bonnie and Chica come from the same doors as they do in fnaf 1, and we know Michael is the protagonist of that game. Although the bedroom itself is actually real and used by William Brapton to gas little kids, as shown in fnaf SL. it's very confusing, Michael's nightmare were probably based both around the loss of his brother and the guilt he felt and also the fnaf 4 bedroom/bunker that he probably was aware of
(Disclaimer: I haven't read the book or the leak or whatever, so my questions might be wrong) I don't get the retcon at all. If it's gas that's causing the nightmare animatronics to exist, but in reality are just mannequins being pulled around... Then why are the toys on the floor and the plushie of Foxy and Freddy all still normal? Also, how do the jumpscares work in that case? They wouldn't be able to grab the kid and get close to chomping them because they're just mannequins. Also doesn't explain the red screen after a jumpscare that's clearly blood if it's, once again, just a mannequin.
The plush would just be an hallucination from the fog drugging the kid. The mannequins could probably hold children and mimic biting motions like the nightmares do, allowing hallucinations to be more vivid. As for the blood? I always assumed it was just a visual thing for it being a video game. Just because it’s fnaf doesn’t mean every single minute detail is always going to be lore related. But even if it is, once again since these are hallucinations it could just be written off as the kid thinking he got bitten and his, most likely seizing, kid brain filling the rest in. You’d be surprised how much hallucinogenics can fill in and change your perceived reality and make things up for your occipital lobe, ESPECIALLY in a child’s brain as they’re more sensitive to it, all of this wouldn’t actually be that horribly far fetched.
I feel like you talked about fnaf 4’s story and gameplay for far too long, considering we’d already know all of that clicking on the video. I do agree with everything you said about dittophobia and the sci fi retcons tho
no one said that the tales for the pizzaplaxe are canon. in the same series a lot of things are said that don't exist in the pizzaplex so most likely this story only explains the nightmare animatronics not everything fnaf 4
sister location was already intended to be after fnaf 1. the souls of the missing children from fnaf 1 are harvested by william and put into the funtimes, which then recombine as ennard and later molten freddy. i agree that fnaf 4 was 100% intended to be dreams originally, but sister location has no evidence at all of being before fnaf 2. and it doesnt even really make sense
@@gameymcgamer847 give whatever reasons you wish for as to why FNAF should've ended at UCN, but Dittophobia isn't one of them. Literally of the stuff that the vid said was first introduced by Dittophobia, has literally been a thing since sl/ffps. Nothing about the fnaf 4 house and nightmare animatronics being real, and sl happening after fnaf 1, is new at all
@@gameymcgamer847the problem is we have no idea on the canonicity of that story, and FNaF kinda jumped the shark way before UCN, that being SL and remnant, but I still love the franchise despite the broken mess it is. I’m not here to change you mind, but more to realize that maybe FNaF has been a mess for a while.
Okay I will What does fnaf be and security breach even add to the original story? Nothing it’s just retconning and changing stuff The original game series even matched the games structure 6 main games representing the 6 nights pizzeria simulator representing a mini game with a bunch of lore and UCN repressing the custom nights from the game William was stuck and should have stayed there forever tormented by the sins of his past and yet he didn’t he escapes showed up in security breach for no reason There was no reason to continue the story it was done it was perfectly
I find it odd you credited Michael for the plan of bringing everyone together in fnaf 6 even tho that was all Henry’s plan Michael just had to follow it
@@sebastianuglyratSome stories are made by him, some by other writers, the epiloques are certainly by him, why would such a big lore reveal story not be made by him?
@@theraptorblue6675 not really. Because while he did say "I'm going to make this clear" then process to make it not clear. It's a classic scott tatic.
I just like pretending that fnaf lore just doesnt exist past 3 or 4. The story ends with purple guy getting burn, and then the other games are just funny silly time robots. I fucking hate modern fnaf lore.
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this video is for entertainment first, and my own opinion second. My answer is not the definitive answer and it never will be.
Also its a game if u get that upset over a games story quit yappin u got school tomorrow lil bro
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@pappo447 i like the games and i own fnaf 4 but im too scared to play it considering i shit myself the first time i played it and failed when i didnt hear funny bunny
@@Nightf200FNaF 4 is pretty fun, but it's kinda hard to hear their breathing
Did fnaf retire from Fnaf?
A good thing to also keep in mind that Game Theory is the ONLY go-to for theories at the time, since even scott might have retconned the story due to Mat making short work of the leading story.
Also I just wanna add onto this opinion of yours, it feels like scott is trying to cater to as many demographics as possible, so kids are included.
That means its not horror, thats not scary, goosebumps was more scary than this singular grain of salt added for spiciness that is the later games after 4.
That is why I recommend Graveyard Shift at Freddies and Twelveman_OP's analogue horror to turn the singular grain of salt into what people imagine a pile of molten industrial grade glass tastes like.
last year i hallucinated nightmare fredbear outside my bedroom window while i was on the verge of sleeping. he was doing his hallway pose as he looked at me and ever since then seeing him leaves me with a sense of paranoia
HOLY FUCK THAT IS TERRIFYING 😭
@@KitosRiotIve never been the same since
I think that wasnt a hallucination. That was actually Fredbear. He will eat you
@@itsPlasma06 then he sucks ass cuz its been like a year and 3 months
That reminds me, years ago, I once had a dream where he chased me down the halls of a laboratory, and I fended him off with a fire extinguisher. It was a goofy dream, and I couldn't take him seriously after that. 😂
FNAF 4 was probably retconned all the way back in Sister Location, with the secret Night 5 cameras and the Breaker Room map depicting the FNAF 4 bedroom as a part of the Circus Baby Bunker. Also some tiny lore corrections cuz Im a huge ass nerd: the experiments don't start in 1983, that's the earliest they can, but it's more likely theyre in the late 80s to early 90s. All of these experiments were driven by William Afton's grief-fueled insanity/evil as he was trying to "put the Crying Child back together" like he promised him (The FNAF VR Curse of Dreadbear dlc is actually all about this plot line). The FNAF 4 gameplay is still a dream, except this time it's Michael Afton's, we know this cuz Mike draws Nightmare Fredbear in a game-cannon activity book (weird ik), and the fact a reversed audio of Phone Guy plays sometimes as an easter egg in FNAF 4. Also FNAF 1 was always before SL, for a number of reasons. Only reason Afton sent Mike down into the bunker in the first place was to kill him off after FNAF 1.
Imo FNAF 4 worked great as just a nightmare. Theories like Matpat's Dream theory, which claimed every game was a dream; really pissed off some fans, which made Scott turn hard the other direction and make the series more sci-fi.
Aside from all that BS, this video was beautifully edited and really well scripted.
Why did he want to kill Michael though? Because of the death of the Crying Child? If so, why didn't he do it before? When did Afton's killings start? Did he kill Charlotte before or after the Bite of 83? If Michael is the FNaF 1 protagonist, and considering the hypothesis it takes place before Sister Location then did he find out his father's murders there or at the Sister Location? Jeremy suffered the Bite of 87, so he can't be Michael, is Michael the one in nights 6 and 7? It still doesn't make sense to be Michael in FNaF 2. When did Michael start his search for William? After 93 when he got Springlocked? Did he start his search and then found out about his father's murders or did he start his search BECAUSE of the murders? Did Elizabeth REALLY die before C.C? If so, why would William already be building murder robots? Maybe Elizabeth simply lives with her mom instead and wasn't at the party? Wtf does Midnight Motorist even mean?
For me this is roughly the timeline with what I managed to put together
-Bite of 83
-Charlotte's Death
-Midnight Motorist (???)
-MCI
-FNaF 2 (not Michael)
-FNaF SL (Confirmed to be Michael)
-FNaF 1 (Possibly Michael)
-William gets springlocked
Years go on
-FNaF 3 (Very Probably Michael)
-FNaF 6 (Confirmed to be Michael)
Mike would find out about the ghosts in fnaf 1, and since he knows his father's ties to the company he keeps questioning his father until William eventually slips. That's what the Immortal and the Restless segments are all about, The Immortal - William and The Restless - Michael. Every episode Clara confronts Vlad with an obvious truth (the baby is his) and Vlad denies everything. Eventually Vlad slips up and brings up that he had bought a kids meal. This gives us a good outline of what happened between William and his son. Every chance Mike got he grilled William on what he knew about the ghosts he encountered in FNAF 1, eventually just like Vlad, William slipped up and revealed too much. Mike knew of Williams crimes, so William would try getting rid of him. (In the movie he stabs his own daughter so this isn't out of character) Then Will goes missing and Mike goes looking for him.
CC definitely died before Elizabeth, hell Elizabeth probably died all the way after 1987, cuz why would William kill kids by hand if he had killer kidnap robots?
TL goes
-Bite of 83'
-Charlotte's Death
-Midnight Motorist (???)
-MCI
-FNaF 2 (not Michael)
-Somewhere here William kidnaps kids to test fear (Possibly MM)
-Lizzie gets nabbed by Baby
-FNaF 1 (Michael)
-Mike confronts William, William tells Mike to go to SL bunker
-William gets springlocked
-FNaF SL (Michael)
-Mike dreams up FNAF 4 gameplay, seeing the memories of Afton's experiment victims in his dreams.
Years go on
-FNaF 3 (Very Probably Michael)
-FNaF 6 (Michael)
This is my best idea of the story, I like it a lot more than other versions of the TL cuz of how much it characterizes Mike compared to a lot of other people's TLs. Plus it feels like a story someone like Scot would actually write
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William never promised the Crying Child that he will put him back together. Pizzeria Simulator never once ever mentions it anywhere, and neither do any of the books.
If William is the Fredbear Plush, how come only the Crying Child can see him and hear his voice?
@@A.B.-ub9un The Aftons continually talk about putting things back together. Mike and Elizabeth say it. It's such an obvious hint that William is the one to originally say it
@@h2p012 The issue is that in FNaF World, a dead child who is implied to be Charlie repeats what the Fredbear Plush said, word for word:
"Something bad happened, and now I am here. But I won't let the same happen to you. I will put you back together."
"We're still your friends, do you still believe that? The pieces are in place for you. All you have to do is find them. Rest."
There's also Michael Brooks, who also uses the phrase when referring to the other missing children. "I must put them back together".
There's also the issue on how nowhere in Sister Location nor Pizzeria Simulator has William ever brought up that entire plan was to bring back his dead son. In fact, William never mentions the Crying Child as his sole motive whatsoever. He instead just brags how he's immortal. Did he just... forgot about the promise he supposedly made?
At this point, I'm pretty sure that the only way to deal with this is to believe that there's two separate continuities: one for the games from FNaF 1 to 6, and one for the books and the games from Help Wanted onwards.
They are.
Thats actually an official thing
Except there isn't, it's all in the same universe
@@atanaZion Yeah, half the community is just coping at this point and saying the newer games aren't in the same continuity
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Except your wrong and Scott said so a long time ago
@@slimeinabox when? he only said that TSE and Frights takes place separately as far Ik
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The only thing I disagree with in this video is your mentioning of SL being after 1 and 2 being a bad thing. It's never made sense to me how Afton's high tech murder machines could somehow predate the clunky barely functional classic animatronics from the first game that more accurately parodied real world animatronics. Having SL be post FNaF 1 and 2 I feel resolves that issue, if only by just a little bit, by having the Funtimes' story play out after the classics were long dismantled. And let's be honest, Michael Afton has literally 0 character anyways lol. Other than that, I hard agree with everything else you said. Scott probably thinks all these unnecessary changes are a good thing, but it just further proves that the man has no fuckin clue what he's doing half the time with this story anymore. I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if the franchise is only still alive with this amount of convoluted bullshit just to sell to kids and make a quick buck. It's why I refuse to acknowledge any FNaF game after 4. FNaF 3 was an excellent stopping point for the main storyline with Afton being skewered by the suit of his own making, stuck in his own personal hell, and the souls moving on while FNaF 4 was simply a tragic yet terrifying way to bid farewell to the series.
We KNOW mike scmidt is micheal afton. He was fired for odor because of the scoop. So how does that make sense?
this video shows that trying to make the FNAF lore make ANY SENSE is useless because clearly Scott didn't think much of the lore of the game up until sister location, and now the fucking timeline is so fucked up it just doesn't make any sense, and NOW there are books trying to retcon the story when clearly it doesn't work. i mean people wonder why matpat had a hard time trying to solve the lore, because **THE LORE JUST DOESNT FUCKING WORK** it simply just doesn't work, what even is the point of trying to make the lore make any sense when every game other game don't even connect story wise.
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0:10 NGL, I was expecting kid Pappo to be JUST Parappa Rappa.
bro finally someone said something, to me dittophobia made all the possibilities from fnaf 4 shallow and stupid, it's a cheap explanation that doesnt actually awnser anything, like why are there all these stuff from hospital that appear as easter eggs sometimes? why does the bedroom actually resemble the CC bedroom from the minigames, even if just by a little?
13:35 is actually interesting because i kinda thought that was established years ago? coulda swore he's gone on record as saying FNAF was always a sort of parody and he was never taking it seriously as far back as even the first game in the series, that he mainly rolled with it because everyone dug the hell out of it and kept buying it, so why not keep going and be set for life financially? which... i can't even blame him for, i'd probably do the same thing in his shoes
FNAF 2 in a mall theory goes hard asf
Bet you ant never heard the theory, told to me by a kid in gradeschool.
The puppet doesn't kill you by jumping in your face, no no. But by poisoning you with the two purple tears tracks that he is crying. The puppet is also controlled by withered bonnie.
I always say fnaf 4 is the only game that has the ability to happen multiple times in the series to different characters (The main nights not the minigames.). Dittophobia didn't retcon the dream thing that was SL in the private room if anything cause if the nights and the bedroom isn't real (It's not CC's bedroom cause we see it in the minigame.) then how is it seemingly real and seen through a camera during the Ennard fight? You just completely glossed over that fact like it doesn't exist.
Heck all of the hospital stuff you could just say is there because Mike is having the dreams and feels guilty of being you know the literal cause of his brother's death. Honestly it seems kinda weird if the crying child is seeing his hospital room from within his dream. Also SL can happen at literally anytime at this point like it could not matter less.
Not important to the rant or anything but there is a vent in the bedroom, the possibility was always there, and of we don't see any mannequins we are in the middle of the nightmare
Yeah this just sounds like a whole lot of copium is being injected directly into your ass because this is what you pulled out of it
UA-cam on the 3ds is too relatable
Nightmare would be a "mannequin". He's so translucent that you can see his Nightmare Endoskeleton as if his illusion is failing. Sister Location's Breaker Room Map and Private Room pretty much heavily imply that the FNAF 4 Nights were real, quite probably experiements.
If anything, saying Sister Location retconned FNAF 4 would probably be more accurate, not Dittophobia which just clarifies things we already suspected from SL.
I never liked the idea of FNAF 4 Nights being experiments as I'd much rather they'd just be nightmares had by Michael (the idea of experiments seems to unnecessarily complicate things). But......I'm willing to see where this is going.
Nor is it that the gameplay of FNAF 4 is an experiment, the fact that the gameplay occurs in Michael's nightmares is still valid, but how do you explain the fact that Mike in the Logbook drew N. Fredbear as one of his recent nightmares? FNAF 1 hidden call? And what about the flowers, the hospital tube and the pills appearing out of nowhere?
@@The_BlueDragon My explanation would be that, for Michael, the FNAF 4 Nights are nightmares of his time being experimented on along with his guilt over the Bite of '83.
Really wish experiments played no part in this, though.
The general idea of dittophobia is pretty cool but adding it to fnaf 4 is lame in my eyes. Really enjoyed the video and especially the editing. Good job m8
All I know is that ditto phobia gave my boy a happy ending and has my friends name in a story so it's litteraly peak
Tbh the Dittophobia story didn’t even “retcon” FNaF 4, because this was hinted that the four main Nightmare animatronics (and probably Plushtrap to an extent) were originally was just apart of the experiments from William Afton back in Sister Location, which is something that Dittophobia finally proved it.
It's likely (based on the reversed phone calls heard in the background of the game) that the gameplay of fnaf 4 was always intended to take place after fnaf 1
Honestly I'm just glad to get some clarity on FNAF 4 and I did enjoy the story but yeah FNAF 4 feels like a game Scott was constantly at odds with in regards to what he truly wanted it to mean.
I disagree, I think nothing is retconned. We didn't even know if SL happened before fnaf 1, there was a lack of evidence actually. I think it was always supposed to be after fnaf 1, we just didn't know yet, although I always believed it did.
Also we don’t know if Dittophobia is even meant to be the cannon version of FNaF 4. For all we know it’s just another story.
@@thattransmuffin oh it's definitely canon. Tales From The Pizzaplex is definitely in the games universe
The meaning behind the FNaF 4 Nightmare rooms and the Fredbear Plush are the actual retcons.
@@akinschalkwyk8998The FNaF 4 location is part of the Sister Location.
@@BugLivestreams Yes, and?
Your Ending Conclusion that Dittophobia retroactively changed & ruined the Old Timeline doesn't have legs to stand on when what you assume to be the objective "Old Timeline" (IE: FNaF 4 -> SL -> FNaF 2 -> FNaF 1) was at best a Possible Theory & at worst extremely far from the true series of events.
Dittophobia didn't shift around the timeline, (FNaF 4 -> FNaF 2 -> FNaF 1 -> SL) has always been a prevalent and admittedly most likely series of events.
Otherwise I do really enjoy your content, just have to call out how saying information from a Book "Ruined the Timeline" isn't as genuine as "Ruined MY Timeline"
Yeah it was more so just how for most of the time ive known of fnaf that was the most agreed upon timeline and its the one I believe in.
Im not involved in the fnaf community as much and I haven't payed much attention to any recent theories so Ig im out of the loop and the video reflects that
The video's main purpose was to sort-of close that idea that the timeline i've believed in for years is more than likely false at this point
Thank you for the criticism, def should've worded shit better
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I thought scott had made it clear at one point that the books and the games werent the same stories. At least that is how it was when silver eyes came out.
I dont think the book was meant to change anything of the game's story
Too bad he kept adding book characters to the games in the very next games
Nah, he only said that about the novel trilogy. Frights and Tales, however, are designed to give us answers, which isn't something the novel trilogy was originally intended to do
really good video! great review, you're funny, charismatic and really good at exposition, but damn calm down lol, that ending was a bit intense
I like that you used the radio voice for the Fredbear plush, seeing as it was a radio for William to talk to the crying child.
Gotta love it because back in 2015, when everyone believed that the game was just about the CC's nightmares, Scott still made a post saying that nobody solved the story of FNAF 4.
He's said in the past that some of these games were made to clarify certain parts of the story that were not made entirely clear, or that gave people the wrong idea, at some point he even considered making a separate game just to clarify that Mike is not Springtrap.
The point is, if FNAF 4's story was this simple, then Sister Location literally wouldn't exist.
Fnaf was supposed to end at the 3rd game, Scott didn't know were to go from it. Although I do like the 4th through 7th games, they served more as embellishments to the original story
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In my opinion i think the idea of dittophobia goes pretty well with fnaf 4 mainly because of the book "The Twisted Ones" which showcases the illusion disk which is capable of making a bleak robot look like a absolute abomination of a living creature and at the same time William was a inventor unlike henry as thats why in sister location the robots look more metallic and robotic compared to the withered animatronics and fred bears cast of character's which were a combination of henry and afton's work
I don’t remember the last time I was this early
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Fnaf 4 was my first introduction to game theory. Got me through some tough times, and I’m real sad Matpat is leaving.
Wait, what were we talking about again?
I think you're kinda forgetting Scott isnt really much in charge of the franchise anymore, after the whole controversy thing. Or he came back as head writer and I didn't know. Either way FNaF should've ended after Ultimate Custom Night or they should've just rebooted the franchise so they could tell a new story.
Scott really did not retire. He's literally as active in the community as he's ever been, there's nothing at all to suggest he's left. In fact, someone on twitter pointed out that it seems like Dittophobia was one of the stories that was literally written by SCOTT HIMSELF
The only retiring he really did was being the developer of the games. He's still in charge of the series overall, especially the story.
Awsome video as allways dude
Dude, this theory was always present, mattpatt legit almost found every detail of what you said is retconning... im pretty sure its true that it simply never was JUST night terrors
Do you realize SL wasnt even planned? And that fnsf 4 was the OG last game of the saga?
How it makes sense that story revoñves around a game that wasnt intended to exist
@@angelarce9747 nah, people still think scott always had the whole lore in his head
i think the original game story was murked by the twisted ones and the other books before Dittophobia.
The only way I think this works for me is if William based the nightmares off of what the Crying Child and/or Michael was experiencing
I do agree, i swear i dont like the "oh its illusion disks/gases" i just like the theory its The Bite victim is his coma, or just his dreams. (im sorry but illusion disks/gases dont make fucking sense)
I've been a fan of FNAF since the beginning and the way you told the story of the FNAF 4 minigames had me experiencing the story for the first time again. I've seen every game theory and so many lets plays over the years and I truly love this franchise but the story and the visuals are old hat, they don't carry the same punch they once did. Until now, that is. Thank you for bringing me back to the bite of 83
I ALSO GOT INTO FNAF THROUGH THE DREAM THEORY VIDEO NO WAY
I honestly dont know why scott doesnt make another series at this point like sure fnaf will be his biggest IP but his name can make games outside of it sell im sure and even if the new series fails it wouldnt cost him much the guy works fast as lightning remeber most of the fnaf series had devolpment times of like 6 months so give him 1 or 2 years and a team and im sure he could make a new IP thats just as good as fnaf and he could make it sci-fi
And his Scifi horror ideas are fucking good illusion disks that can make you see an entire false reality with sound alone, The mimic, The Vanni mask, etc these ideas would be absolute bangers in a series better fit for them
FNAF 4 is the best game in the series, people just arent prepared for that conversation.
How are you scared of ditto its just a little purple blob thing
Sister Location has always taken place after Fnaf 1 because the Molten MCI theory was proven true based off the endos in the furnace in Ennard’s Hardmode
You can't proof anything with abstract evidences
you like the rapping dog.
You watching UA-cam on a fucking 3DS is both insane but also extremely relatable for that era.
Edit: Also if it makes you feel any better, all of the books take place in a canon seperate from the games, nothing that happens in the books are concrete to the lore and most fans don't consider them taking place alongside the games. If I can make an admittedly weird comparison, its kind of like how DBZ had a shit ton of movies in the 90s that took place in the universe with the characters, but weren't actually canon to the anime.
Personally, i think that the books just happend in the universe, and doesn't have much/nothing to do with the games. I just like the stories in the books! Some are quite good!
HE DID HE USED EATEOT edit the kid pappo looks like the plushy and its funny
Nah, FNAF 4 was ruined this exact way a long time ago, with Sister Location. Dittophobia was only a stick beating a dead horse.
I still love FNAF 4 very much, and I still like to view the story in that older era lense we all used to look at it as I play it, same for the other first 3 games.
More than half in the video just talking about normal FNAF 4
This entire video is just describing FNaF 4 for about 9 minutes before getting into the actual main argument of the video. I watched this video to hear about why you don’t like Dittophobia and what it does to FNaF’s story, not to hear a summary of FNaF 4.
i saw one fnaf book that say a phobia i believe it in fnaf 4
Personally I don't think that dittophobia is Canon or at least I like to think so
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Here's the problem though. You recall Scott retiring from Fnaf right? Is he still responsible for the books now? I mean, he wrote the original trilogy, but what about the tales from the Pizzaplex? Is he the author? Well it does have his name, it also has two other names; Amanda and Kelly. Whos to say they aren't the authors and Scott's just an illustrator, or an advisor, or a special mention because he made the series?
The books are written by scott outlining the story he wants and the writer writes it
Actually based ass video. Luckily though the actual gameplay of fnaf 4 is still a nightmare, according to the survival guide it was Michael who was having nightmares about the fnaf 4 animatronics. In the book there is a part that asks "have you had nightmares" or something like that and Michael draws nightmare Fredbear, also in fnaf 4 you can sometimes hear in the distance the phone guy's call from fnaf 1 but in reverse, and bonnie and Chica come from the same doors as they do in fnaf 1, and we know Michael is the protagonist of that game.
Although the bedroom itself is actually real and used by William Brapton to gas little kids, as shown in fnaf SL. it's very confusing, Michael's nightmare were probably based both around the loss of his brother and the guilt he felt and also the fnaf 4 bedroom/bunker that he probably was aware of
the mobile port and then seeing this video, damn your voice changed
Nah i just got more comfortable lmao
(Disclaimer: I haven't read the book or the leak or whatever, so my questions might be wrong)
I don't get the retcon at all.
If it's gas that's causing the nightmare animatronics to exist, but in reality are just mannequins being pulled around... Then why are the toys on the floor and the plushie of Foxy and Freddy all still normal? Also, how do the jumpscares work in that case? They wouldn't be able to grab the kid and get close to chomping them because they're just mannequins. Also doesn't explain the red screen after a jumpscare that's clearly blood if it's, once again, just a mannequin.
The plush would just be an hallucination from the fog drugging the kid. The mannequins could probably hold children and mimic biting motions like the nightmares do, allowing hallucinations to be more vivid. As for the blood? I always assumed it was just a visual thing for it being a video game. Just because it’s fnaf doesn’t mean every single minute detail is always going to be lore related. But even if it is, once again since these are hallucinations it could just be written off as the kid thinking he got bitten and his, most likely seizing, kid brain filling the rest in. You’d be surprised how much hallucinogenics can fill in and change your perceived reality and make things up for your occipital lobe, ESPECIALLY in a child’s brain as they’re more sensitive to it, all of this wouldn’t actually be that horribly far fetched.
In the book, the child just wakes up after being attacked
I feel like you talked about fnaf 4’s story and gameplay for far too long, considering we’d already know all of that clicking on the video. I do agree with everything you said about dittophobia and the sci fi retcons tho
no one said that the tales for the pizzaplaxe are canon. in the same series a lot of things are said that don't exist in the pizzaplex so most likely this story only explains the nightmare animatronics not everything fnaf 4
My opinion is FNaF 1-HW is a completely different timeline from Fazbear Frights, Tales of the Pizzaplex and Security Breach-HW 2
sister location was already intended to be after fnaf 1. the souls of the missing children from fnaf 1 are harvested by william and put into the funtimes, which then recombine as ennard and later molten freddy. i agree that fnaf 4 was 100% intended to be dreams originally, but sister location has no evidence at all of being before fnaf 2. and it doesnt even really make sense
11:35 i got jumpscared because that's my real name 😭
I mean, it’s possible that the night guards from 1 and 2 aren’t Michael.
Agreed. This is why imo the series lore ended at ultimate custom night as it was a perfect end to the series
Dittophobia did not introduce any of these elements lol, nothing proven/shown in Dittophobia is anything new, that's been around since like SL/FFPS
this take is true, and nobody will ever convince me otherwise
@@gameymcgamer847 give whatever reasons you wish for as to why FNAF should've ended at UCN, but Dittophobia isn't one of them. Literally of the stuff that the vid said was first introduced by Dittophobia, has literally been a thing since sl/ffps. Nothing about the fnaf 4 house and nightmare animatronics being real, and sl happening after fnaf 1, is new at all
@@gameymcgamer847the problem is we have no idea on the canonicity of that story, and FNaF kinda jumped the shark way before UCN, that being SL and remnant, but I still love the franchise despite the broken mess it is. I’m not here to change you mind, but more to realize that maybe FNaF has been a mess for a while.
Okay I will
What does fnaf be and security breach even add to the original story? Nothing it’s just retconning and changing stuff
The original game series even matched the games structure
6 main games representing the 6 nights pizzeria simulator representing a mini game with a bunch of lore and UCN repressing the custom nights from the game
William was stuck and should have stayed there forever tormented by the sins of his past and yet he didn’t he escapes showed up in security breach for no reason
There was no reason to continue the story it was done it was perfectly
also, i don't think scott is behind dittophobia, since he retired from fnaf, so this would be steel wool's fault.
Ha, Scott not idiot, he behind fnaf from start, he made plot for Steel wool games, he write books, he made movie, go on fnaf fan, blame Scott.
Scott writes the story
Stop blaming steel wool for everything
Ah yes, another "steel wool is to blame" guy, please, educate yourself
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I find it odd you credited Michael for the plan of bringing everyone together in fnaf 6 even tho that was all Henry’s plan Michael just had to follow it
I'm too lazy to watch the video but yeah
Henry in the insanity ending literally says "I have to bring them all back"
Wasn’t. Wasn’t all the books there own universe? Because I doubt 15 foot tall trash springtrap is cannon to the games
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Why do you assume Scott wrote dittophobia?
Why wouldn't he write it?
@@AlfaresAnas because he doesn’t write the books, some other people do it
@@sebastianuglyratSome stories are made by him, some by other writers, the epiloques are certainly by him, why would such a big lore reveal story not be made by him?
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Actually the book timeline and the game timeline are separate so dittophobia is not canon to the games
Even if Scott say obvious thing as "books is canon" you wont belive.wait...he did, he said that.
@@theraptorblue6675 not really.
Because while he did say "I'm going to make this clear" then process to make it not clear.
It's a classic scott tatic.
Plus, there is times where he actually made it clear.
case in point, book dug vs movie dug, with movie dug being canon.
I just like pretending that fnaf lore just doesnt exist past 3 or 4. The story ends with purple guy getting burn, and then the other games are just funny silly time robots. I fucking hate modern fnaf lore.
imo fnaf ended at pizza sim
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Dude stop bitching about it and just don’t take the books into consideration like most of us do
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0:35: dude one of my friends in highschool told me fnaf 2 was supposed to be in a mall and that was 3 years ago
You’re slow