This sensor dosent use time of flight (tof) which would be terrible expensive. It measures the angle of the returning lightbeam with a linear ccd. In the description of the sensor they also write triangulation principle.
Yep it is a parallax system, however Y You can actually build a ToF sensor with relatively inexpensive electronics, issue is they're not fast enough for this kind of scan rate.
Exactly. This most probably is the triangulation sensor for vacuum cleaner robots working using triangulation and NOT ToF. There is a paper of 2008 IEEE International Conference onRobotics and AutomationPasadena, CA, USA, May 19-23, 2008; Kurt Konolige, Joseph Augenbraun, Nick Donaldson, Charles Fiebig, and Pankaj Shah: A Low-Cost Laser Distance Sensor. But unfortunately many youtubers are mixing these things up.
@@kotqrka that thing looks interesting. Thoug it doesnt measure very far and only distances in 1D not 2D, but thats only a matter of time. It is a while since i looked into the 2D sensors and they are still to expensive for my purposes, maybe sensors like this could push the price down even more
This was used in VCRs, it's even more elegant in VCRs, as the rotary transformer used to transfer both data and power And the motor is brushless motor that can run for years without the need to replace brushes
Great video as always! To use the Lidar in an easier way, you can use Robotic Operating System (ROS) to handle the data and do the make a program to control it. However, learning how to use ROS is one thing, but once you know it, it's really helpful!
Man, you just get a thumbs up for being awesome...and we haven't even covered how smart you are. I'm always impressed by your videos and I've learned so much. Thanks for taking the time to create them.
Omg the fact you posted this video after the fact I was think it would be cool to try to make a lawnmower that’s self driving kinda like a roomba, I crazy it’s like you read my mind! Awesome video by the way!
Yep, I don't think this module using ToF to sensing the distance, because it require a Time-to-Digital converter(TDC) in the system usually it require a addition IC or FPGA, a counting based TDC can be implemented in STM32 but the resolution can not be promising. So this module seems to measure the phase difference instead of the time difference.
The datasheet does actually say that this modules does use triangulation with a low resolution infrared camera sensor However, some versions of STM32 microcontrollers have programmable DSPs onboard that are powerful enough to render 3D graphics or do radio communication
Makes sense. I already wondered how an STM32 can be fast enough to measure the distance by the travelling time of light. That's fragments of nanoseconds for short distances in a room.
You can run any Arduino at 3.3v and it will just work. Also you can take 3.3v as a digital high in a 5v system and use a voltage divider or zener shunt to output the 3.3. I know Scott knows this, but sometimes his individual choices come out sounding like what he “had to do” instead of what he “happened to do” this post is for the “I already have an Arduino why can’t I use that one” crowd. To which the answer is you can. Just don’t push 5v into the lidar without checking the data sheet for tolerance.
Yeah, you would think everyone would know this if they have an interest in robotics and electronics. Folks need to pick up a textbook every now and then. Couldn't hurt.
I used to love Elektor since I was a kid, every month I bought it, from my 9's to my 14's, when I started working in industry and finally got a way to subscribe and receive it every month at home. It really was the best electronics magazine in Brazil, until it fooled around every subscriber, simply disappearing, no phone to ask to refund (I subscribed for annual payment), just there they was in one month and gone in the next. I feel it as one of the most disappointing experiences of my life, since I loved all of their contents. Well, I started importing the magazines from another countries once in a while, to tell you how good their contents are, but I'll never forget how they fooled brazilians.
@@heissklebepanzer Don't know why I think he's called that, maybe he mentioned it in older videos, maybe I'm just wrong :) I'll remove the name from my comment, I wasn't aware it's a secret.
I was working with lidar and arduino It's not that hard. There is some few library over internet to help. If you realy have some problem with programming it doesn't help but trust me, for some student project lidar is a very good investment
THIS IS VERY COOL. Thanks for making all these interesting videos. I wanted to make one of these myself, this is some good motivation! Keep up the great work
This is new subject for me and I learn lots of from your channel and in the ending of your video when you say stray creative and see you next time. so goooood
I’m glad you showed how the data and power is handled, I’m always interested in how that is done inside devices where it spins more then 360 degrees. (In this case it was LEDs for data and coils for wireless power)
When it goes past 360 degrees, it creates a tiny worm-hole that objects can pass through and arrive in another part of the Galaxy. It doesn't have enough power to transport outside that range at present, but they are working on it.
If you are interested in trying some more advanced robotics projects you should look into using ROS (Robot Operating System). It is a great framework to easily develop robotic systems without needing to program everything yourself as it has many tutorials and a great community of developers that make libraries you can implement, including some to make use of that lidar for autonomous navigation and mapping
It's always cool when a sensor uses a more powerful chip as a coprocessor (stm32f302 iirc?) than your main system controller (poor little atmega328p...). Though, I suppose such a topology would make good sense if the coprocessor was only needed intermittently and could be put in power save most of the time. A little surprised they have so much rotating mass on that unit, I figured the only thing to rotate would be a mirror.
You really should try to make a robot with the RPI and ROS (robot operating system). The lidar has some really nice packages you can use. Keep in mind the RPI should only be used as a data publisher to a real computer.
ROS for hobbyists? I don't deny its capabl, butis it easy enough to learn? What about budget?how much for the whole system? Hobbyist servos ore closed loop servos?
Great video. It's not that big of your fault. Those cheap robot kits come with cheap motors as well (the yellow ones) the main inconvenient is that they spin at different speed even they receive the same PWM because they are not identical. In a project we made, we tried to control them with a PID using a MPU5060 gyroscope, and a Ultrasonic sensor to prevent for crashing into the walls. The PID was a fail. Hope you could succeed. Excellent video. Greetings from Ecuador. Also try tu use a L298 driver for the motors they are a big help.
Great :)! just nitpicking here a little. But the Lidar doesn't spit out HEX values, it spits out binary data. Hexadecimal is only a representation of that. Also, I think a lot of the corrupted data might simply be because you have the TX and RX pins permanently connected, causing the LIDAR module and Arduino to talk at the same time, resulting in invalid bytes. Otherwise, cool demo :)
Well, I stand corrected, I always thought it stood for Laser Infrometry Distance And Ranging. :P You realise that only the really posh vacuum cleaner robots have a LIDAR on board, the rest are just "bump and guess" machines - they bump into an object, turn a random amount, and then continue on their way, hopefully not bumping into another object too soon, so they can do a good job at vacuuming the floor.
Tfw I never realized power supply and communication would be a problem for a spinning sensor. My first solution would be running a separate battery on the spinning part and using RF for the communication but damn...wireless charging coils? That's some brilliant stuff right there! Thanks for the upload. I learned a lot.
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Awesome video! I recently got the same Lidar. I'm using it on my ROS robot. The robot is completed, it's supposed to drive autonomously around in my room, create a map using the Lidar and find my mate tea cup using a camera. Once it's found, I want to get a notification with the position marked in a map. So far, I built the robot and worked on the mapping part. Maybe we could collaborate on a Lidar project?
In case You have 3V3 uart device and 5V version Arduino it also works nice if You attach to [Arduino RX]-[3V3 TX] ( most atmegas takes 2V7 and up as high, so 3V3 is OK ) and simple voltage divider ( from two resistors ) to Arduino TX to lower output :) Any way I like Your channel very much! All best!
Hello!. Help please. What kind of technology would you recommend me to study to be able to detect human precense in a room and prevent a robot arm from hitting humans, and after recognizing the human dimensions and position, changing its trajectory until it reaches its final destination. I was thinking about tensorflow, however I need something more three-dimensional. Thank you!
Suggestion for a video: interface an Arduino (or other SBC) with an off the shelf motion sensing outdoor light and a web cam and save a few seconds of video to a networked PC.
hey, you should check out makerbeam! Those profiles with all accesoires might safe you a lot of time when building an easy robot or frame for something... So that you wouldnt have too spend one hour to make a little car :-)
I would love to see more how they use wireless power transfer, what are the losses, would it be possible to use dual power transfer and get sphere lidar?
€£$80, not bad for 0.5mm 2Mt resolution, good enough to scan a small room for quotes. Back in the day, it would have been awesome to measure bay windows for tracks.
Hey Scott, i have a challenge for you to make your oun lidar sensor if you can make it. It's a really good video! (Sorry for my English, i speak spanish) jejejeje
Small correction: The speed of light is of course 299792 km/s, not 299792 m/s. Sorry.
Wow, that was a freaking fast
You never reply to any comment, why?
That's disappointing! I was so excited to shout in the comments and have likes rain on me then I saw this comment 😪
Hey what is the name of the song you are playing around 1:38? Its not listed in the video description btw.
#GottaGoFast
This sensor dosent use time of flight (tof) which would be terrible expensive. It measures the angle of the returning lightbeam with a linear ccd. In the description of the sensor they also write triangulation principle.
Yep it is a parallax system, however Y
You can actually build a ToF sensor with relatively inexpensive electronics, issue is they're not fast enough for this kind of scan rate.
Actually, there are ready-to-use pretty cheap ToF sensors. VL53L0X by ST for instance.
Exactly. This most probably is the triangulation sensor for vacuum cleaner robots working using triangulation and NOT ToF. There is a paper of 2008 IEEE International Conference onRobotics and AutomationPasadena, CA, USA, May 19-23, 2008; Kurt Konolige, Joseph Augenbraun, Nick Donaldson, Charles Fiebig, and Pankaj Shah: A Low-Cost Laser Distance Sensor. But unfortunately many youtubers are mixing these things up.
@@kotqrka that thing looks interesting. Thoug it doesnt measure very far and only distances in 1D not 2D, but thats only a matter of time. It is a while since i looked into the 2D sensors and they are still to expensive for my purposes, maybe sensors like this could push the price down even more
well, using latest stm32g4 that has timer with resolution around 180ps it's possible to build tof sensor with res around 60mm
How amazing is the communication between the main board and the part that rotate... Fantastic
ok
Lifi
Agreed
This was used in VCRs, it's even more elegant in VCRs, as the rotary transformer used to transfer both data and power
And the motor is brushless motor that can run for years without the need to replace brushes
The only electronics channel to spend time that worth every single second....
OMG OMG I was looking for this for so long and finally Scott talk about it.
Great video as always! To use the Lidar in an easier way, you can use Robotic Operating System (ROS) to handle the data and do the make a program to control it. However, learning how to use ROS is one thing, but once you know it, it's really helpful!
"Terrible at writing code"
"Limited success"
You and I have very different definitions of "terrible at writing code" haha!
You don't get better if you like your own work! crippling self-doubt is where talent is born.
He's really good in my opinion. I wouldn't know where to start with writing code. Im a hardware person.
@@simontay4851 Start by stealing other people's code. Meaning use libraries that do the job you need
Have you seen his code?
Python
Man, you just get a thumbs up for being awesome...and we haven't even covered how smart you are.
I'm always impressed by your videos and I've learned so much. Thanks for taking the time to create them.
Omg the fact you posted this video after the fact I was think it would be cool to try to make a lawnmower that’s self driving kinda like a roomba, I crazy it’s like you read my mind! Awesome video by the way!
First robot on scott channel
We love to see this type videos in future
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The "stay creative, and I will see you next time!" has been getting slowly more enthusiastic as time goes on.
I've noticed the same thing.
crazy, rihgt?
@@justgame5508 yes that may be true. It's just an observation I made.
Yep, I don't think this module using ToF to sensing the distance, because it require a Time-to-Digital converter(TDC) in the system usually it require a addition IC or FPGA, a counting based TDC can be implemented in STM32 but the resolution can not be promising. So this module seems to measure the phase difference instead of the time difference.
The datasheet does actually say that this modules does use triangulation with a low resolution infrared camera sensor
However, some versions of STM32 microcontrollers have programmable DSPs onboard that are powerful enough to render 3D graphics or do radio communication
@@PixlRainbow Great to know that, thanks for the information.
Makes sense. I already wondered how an STM32 can be fast enough to measure the distance by the travelling time of light. That's fragments of nanoseconds for short distances in a room.
You can run any Arduino at 3.3v and it will just work. Also you can
take 3.3v as a digital high in a 5v system and use a voltage divider or zener shunt to output the 3.3.
I know Scott knows this, but sometimes his individual choices come out sounding like what he “had to do” instead of what he “happened to do” this post is for the “I already have an Arduino why can’t I use that one” crowd. To which the answer is you can. Just don’t push 5v into the lidar without checking the data sheet for tolerance.
Yeah, you would think everyone would know this if they have an interest in robotics and electronics. Folks need to pick up a textbook every now and then. Couldn't hurt.
Thanks Scott for the free magazine! No credit card needed! 👍👍
it may be the first in-video ad I've made use of. Short, backed by GreatScotts long term interest, no risk trial. Very nice.
I watched within few minute but the total viewer at that time reached 5k.. it shows how much popular is ur channel... Keep doing and stay creative.,😀😀
Elektor is awesome, got that since 80's
Thanks a lot for the 1 year elektor subscription I am gonna keep it brief so, many thanks... :)
Thank you for the elektor code GreatScott. I love elektor but getting access for free is fantastic.
Yeah. A full year is amazing.
0:08 very nice drawing. Your schematics and explanations are awesome.
I used to love Elektor since I was a kid, every month I bought it, from my 9's to my 14's, when I started working in industry and finally got a way to subscribe and receive it every month at home.
It really was the best electronics magazine in Brazil, until it fooled around every subscriber, simply disappearing, no phone to ask to refund (I subscribed for annual payment), just there they was in one month and gone in the next.
I feel it as one of the most disappointing experiences of my life, since I loved all of their contents.
Well, I started importing the magazines from another countries once in a while, to tell you how good their contents are, but I'll never forget how they fooled brazilians.
LIDAR great - I was waiting for this video
I feel you ran out of time for the video, when it started to get interesting and fun.
Don't let UA-cam burnout get you :/
Dafuq, why do you call him Chris?
@@heissklebepanzer I can't say I know what his actual name is, but I'm guessing "Great Scott" is a reference to BTTF.
@@heissklebepanzer Don't know why I think he's called that, maybe he mentioned it in older videos, maybe I'm just wrong :)
I'll remove the name from my comment, I wasn't aware it's a secret.
@@DieBastler1234 He did mention it a Q&A video. I think the first one.
Edit: this one ua-cam.com/video/0Xo0oKr8Thc/v-deo.html
@@abdulazeez.98 No, it was sarcasm.
Very nice project 👍 I like it
Maybe convert the LIDAR robot as your garage's security guard bot?
I was working with lidar and arduino
It's not that hard.
There is some few library over internet to help.
If you realy have some problem with programming it doesn't help but trust me, for some student project lidar is a very good investment
Felt like I had a stroke reading that
Can you name some libraries to get started? Thanks
Im also interested in the libraries :)
THIS IS VERY COOL. Thanks for making all these interesting videos. I wanted to make one of these myself, this is some good motivation!
Keep up the great work
This is new subject for me and I learn lots of from your channel and in the ending of your video when you say stray creative and see you next time. so goooood
Thanks again for lighting up our world in regards to electronics....huge fan 🤗🤗🤗
so many thanks to bring this innovative electronic component to me!!
This is exactly what I’ve needed for my projects thanks scott
Finally your sponsor has changed after a long time
I wonder whether the last one gave him a hard time.
In all likelihood it's only for this video.
Thanks for the subscription to elektor
Always wanted to give LIDAR a try. Great video and thanks!
Excellent presentation, audio & visual.
I’m glad you showed how the data and power is handled, I’m always interested in how that is done inside devices where it spins more then 360 degrees. (In this case it was LEDs for data and coils for wireless power)
When it goes past 360 degrees, it creates a tiny worm-hole that objects can pass through and arrive in another part of the Galaxy. It doesn't have enough power to transport outside that range at present, but they are working on it.
Haha the robot turned out so cool. Great work.
As Always Great I love it thought i found this video a bit too late
Wow this is one of my favorite videos! You did a fantastic job explaining. Thank you!
If you are interested in trying some more advanced robotics projects you should look into using ROS (Robot Operating System). It is a great framework to easily develop robotic systems without needing to program everything yourself as it has many tutorials and a great community of developers that make libraries you can implement, including some to make use of that lidar for autonomous navigation and mapping
One's again thank you for useful information about electronics
Your next video should be... Robot vaccum cleaner diy or buy.
You are a great T E A C H E R!
Thank you (and Elektor) for the subscription
It's always cool when a sensor uses a more powerful chip as a coprocessor (stm32f302 iirc?) than your main system controller (poor little atmega328p...). Though, I suppose such a topology would make good sense if the coprocessor was only needed intermittently and could be put in power save most of the time.
A little surprised they have so much rotating mass on that unit, I figured the only thing to rotate would be a mirror.
Thank you for one more very interesting video and also for the elektor gift!
You really should try to make a robot with the RPI and ROS (robot operating system).
The lidar has some really nice packages you can use.
Keep in mind the RPI should only be used as a data publisher to a real computer.
ROS for hobbyists?
I don't deny its capabl, butis it easy enough to learn? What about budget?how much for the whole system? Hobbyist servos ore closed loop servos?
I had to know how it transfers data through spinning disk you explained it nicely 🙂
Great video! I have learnt something new from you
Great video.
It's not that big of your fault. Those cheap robot kits come with cheap motors as well (the yellow ones) the main inconvenient is that they spin at different speed even they receive the same PWM because they are not identical. In a project we made, we tried to control them with a PID using a MPU5060 gyroscope, and a Ultrasonic sensor to prevent for crashing into the walls. The PID was a fail. Hope you could succeed. Excellent video. Greetings from Ecuador. Also try tu use a L298 driver for the motors they are a big help.
This was very instructive. Thank you!
Great Elektor offer! Even in Dutch. Thanx! Love your video's too
Great :)! just nitpicking here a little. But the Lidar doesn't spit out HEX values, it spits out binary data. Hexadecimal is only a representation of that. Also, I think a lot of the corrupted data might simply be because you have the TX and RX pins permanently connected, causing the LIDAR module and Arduino to talk at the same time, resulting in invalid bytes. Otherwise, cool demo :)
Really you are awesome!
XKT-412 is a voltage controlled oscillator. I have used this in my wireless POV display project to make an LC oscillator.
Mahalo. Always great detail. I can't wait to read the magazine.
Well, I stand corrected, I always thought it stood for Laser Infrometry Distance And Ranging. :P You realise that only the really posh vacuum cleaner robots have a LIDAR on board, the rest are just "bump and guess" machines - they bump into an object, turn a random amount, and then continue on their way, hopefully not bumping into another object too soon, so they can do a good job at vacuuming the floor.
Xiaomi S5 is cheap and amazingly good at navigating, using lidar, ir and probably more.
Tfw I never realized power supply and communication would be a problem for a spinning sensor. My first solution would be running a separate battery on the spinning part and using RF for the communication but damn...wireless charging coils? That's some brilliant stuff right there! Thanks for the upload. I learned a lot.
where has this video been my whole life
Os melhores vídeos de eletrônica!!!
I'm great fã yours Scott
“We feel like we are in “The Matrix”.” Now that was pretty funny!
Elektor, I followed them in the late 70's, they're from Holland, I think it should be the same magazine.
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Interesting 👍
What about a DIY or BUY episode about LIDAR-Sensors?
Good Video by GreatScott.
Seems like Patreon supporters are spoiled😋 we are 2 videos in advance
Well, thanks for the support :-)
What's coming up?
Very interesting to see how it works
I'm almost dead nuts positive that's a parallax sensor, not ToF.
Nice video and keep it up!!
Another great video! Thank you. I always learn and thumbs up 😊
Awesome video! I recently got the same Lidar. I'm using it on my ROS robot. The robot is completed, it's supposed to drive autonomously around in my room, create a map using the Lidar and find my mate tea cup using a camera. Once it's found, I want to get a notification with the position marked in a map. So far, I built the robot and worked on the mapping part. Maybe we could collaborate on a Lidar project?
So, did it work? LOL
I'd love to hear about the process!
Great innovative ideas generate after watching ur videos and can understand the theory which we learnt in schooling
In case You have 3V3 uart device and 5V version Arduino it also works nice if You attach to [Arduino RX]-[3V3 TX] ( most atmegas takes 2V7 and up as high, so 3V3 is OK ) and simple voltage divider ( from two resistors ) to Arduino TX to lower output :) Any way I like Your channel very much! All best!
89.95 USD is still pretty pricey for hobbyists. The one Sparkfun was selling was close to 300 USD so its a huge improvement but its still pricey.
I like that the errors have typos
Thanks for the subscription code. I'm signed up and ready to get my electronics fix. 🤓
Awesome! Perfect timing!
Hello!. Help please. What kind of technology would you recommend me to study to be able to detect human precense in a room and prevent a robot arm from hitting humans, and after recognizing the human dimensions and position, changing its trajectory until it reaches its final destination. I was thinking about tensorflow, however I need something more three-dimensional.
Thank you!
What is that robot kit you used? Can you post a link to that, please?
Wirklich interessant. Ich hab dafür bisher Ultraschall verwendet, was ziemlich lange Reaktionszeit hat.
Great video man!
awesome, a couple of years ago i was looking for a lidar but couldnt find any good cheap options !
Great Scott! Good job. I used large lidars and this one seems so similar! But smaller.
"YDLIDAR get Scandata fialed!!" lol Nice typo in the source code :P
Pretty interesting project!!! 😃
Suggestion for a video: interface an Arduino (or other SBC) with an off the shelf motion sensing outdoor light and a web cam and save a few seconds of video to a networked PC.
Great Job your little machine
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Waited... For along luv uuuu😘😘😘
Wow it's amazing
Nice project. The lidar sensor sells for $100 at AliExpress.
hey, you should check out makerbeam! Those profiles with all accesoires might safe you a lot of time when building an easy robot or frame for something... So that you wouldnt have too spend one hour to make a little car :-)
I would love to see more how they use wireless power transfer, what are the losses, would it be possible to use dual power transfer and get sphere lidar?
@great scott we can say also for this sensor used as radar , or only for this you do?
Super awesome video!! Keep up the good work. I wouldn't mind if there would be a follow up video
€£$80, not bad for 0.5mm 2Mt resolution, good enough to scan a small room for quotes. Back in the day, it would have been awesome to measure bay windows for tracks.
I might upgrade my old roomba with this
Using servos or encoder could give more precision for a perfect 90° or 180° turn.
Very interesting, if the lidar wouldn't be so expensive! But nevertheless a cool little project :)
It's ~100€
@@DieBastler1234 That's more than I spent on my computer...
Keep up the good work and thanks :)
Hey Scott, i have a challenge for you to make your oun lidar sensor if you can make it.
It's a really good video!
(Sorry for my English, i speak spanish) jejejeje
Bro you are a legend..!!
Interesting the way the lidar module was built. Wireless power transfer in this small unit.