Okuma M560V - Dynamic Machining - Seco Tools - 4140 Steel 36Rc - BlueSwarf
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Demonstration showing various dynamic machining methods and tooling. Okuma GENOS M560V, Esprit CAM, Seco Tools, and Fahrion Holders. End mill cutting parameters determined with BlueSwarf tap testing and dashboard.
It blows me away that you can use these kinds of feeds and speeds without work hardening the material. Very cool.
Work hardening happens due to excessive contact with the tool, chips, and work piece. Its applying more heat to the entire system. The quicker the action of the chip being pushed/pulled away from the material the less heat builds up.
@@twwt7004 yes but you still need keep things cool you can't do all this without coolant or chip blasting
Not in the cut long enough. Most of the heat leaves with the chip. Coated carbide is crazy stuff. I Love pushing my Okuma through steel and ss
@@greg2337 Ive got some footage of me shredding P20 with our M560..huge fan
one word, awesome and violent :)
Of course it helps to have a very high-end machine...
High end machine for around $100K.
I thought it was more like $150k.
@@BrianStall is it though?
this is made in taiwan i heard not in japan?>
Yes it is. Mill is only initially assembled in Taiwan. Then they are shipped to Okuma Japan for final assembly, power-up, and inspection. Therefore made in Japan. Sounds like you may have been mislead some.
above 200ipm it's always crazy , when you think about that some machines could do 1200-1400 IPM (feed , not rapid) in 1999 it becomes more crazy
Hey Brian, is that a Blum tool setter? How does it compare to the Renishaw OMP40?
Yes, it's a Blum non-contact laser. I am assuming you are referring to the Renishaw OTS. OMP40 is the spindle probe. The Blum laser will allow you to measure features on tooling that you can't do with mechanical setter, like form, , flute count, radius shape, etc. I think the stated accuracy between non-contact and contact setters are nearly the same. Renishaw as well makes a non-contact tool setter. Hope that helps.
@@BrianStall Are there any particular applications where a non-contact setter would be better than the contact setter? One instance that comes to mind would be micro tooling but I'm curious if there's anything else. Do you also know any info on the price difference?
that was very impressive
Nice work!!
Thank you.
Хороший станочек !
Зверь машина !
Еще бы, ты посмотри на строение станка, двухстоечный продольно фрезерный станок, одно из лучших для жесткости, и цена не сильно кусается,
Why the highfeed mill instead of dynamic toolpath with solid carbide?
Because this is a cutting demo, showing various methods of cutting strategies and machine capabilities. As your question suggests, there are many various ways to cut parts and materials. This demo shows that the Okuma M560V can do it all.
Cool. But looks like the part would be better suited to the 4axis lathe
True, could even be said for 5-axis lathe. But this is not a real part, just a machine demonstration showing the broad machining capabilities of Okuma M560V. You can heavy cut or high speed machining.
Also you use blue swarf? is that the software you would recommend to make finding optimal speeds and feeds faster or is there a quick software I can download?
No, there is a kit involved. Check out BlueSwarf.com They are doing some new work to create dashboards with tool and holder 3D model. You machine would need to be tapped with kit and artifact.
What options does this 560 have? Is it running Supernerbs? Any recommended options? Thanks.
Daniel Green This is the standard spec machine. Hi-Cut, 15K Big Plus spindle.
Nice! One question, how many flutes did the 1/2" endmill have that you're doing the bottom up toolpath with? I'm assuming 5 or 6?
6 flute.
+Brian Stall awesome, thanks!
This was mostly if not all done climb cutting right?
Yes
yeah looked like it. chips were going out the back of the end mills
Could you estimate the productivit for this parts in cm3/min for chips removing?
how do you like the fahrion holders for a cat 40 machine? I'm trying to find quality but coat effective tool holders that perform at speeds and mrr like that in your video. I'm in the us and using Haas machines using hem toolpaths. cheers
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I've used Fahrion Centro P tool holders on several Okuma mills and they are really good tool holders.
Not had a problem with endmills or drills sliding out of the collet. Just remember to buy the torque wrench tool Fahrion sells separately it will save you from the trouble of endmills getting stuck in the collet.
Also the tool Fahrion supplies to loosen or tighten the collet nut is not the best. It is made from some sort of cast aluminium and it will break if you tighten the collet nut too hard. But it's fairly easy to make a new one from steel that does not break.
Rasmus Laursen thank you appreciate the info. just trying to find a good budget set of tool holders that will work is the kind of toolpaths and feeds and speeds shown. in having issues of chatter and vibration with the er32 collet holders and Endmill holders right now.
Imo the best tool holders for high speed machining is shrink tool holders but buying the whole setup to use those are pretty expensive.
Next best thing would be Hydro tool holders. Used different kind of those too from Sandvik, Mapal and Kennametal all worked great. Used solve your chatter problems in most cases but at a price -They are not cheap.
There are some other solutions to try, which i have had great luck with, especially for chatter. Look at Pioneer MX/VX collet chucks. They are similar to the Lyndex-Nikken Insider holders.
Where do you get those vise jaws?
Greg Hunsberger I purchase them through Lexair, inc in Kentucky. www.lexairinc.com They are imported from OML, a company in Italy.
Particular clamp...
Looks like inserts on the mobile part. o.o
Sintergrip. www.omlspa.it/index.php/en/sintergrip-2
After this process, how do you set up the press to hold the part when you flip it over?..
i think there are many ways, there is custom vise clamps, and custom modular vises altogether.
+11thboris
Thanks,
I was thinking there is a process where the vice jaws has to be machined, because we can not find a vice for an specific part. Isn't it?
Thank you.
Miguel Camacho yea thats what i meant by custom.
but there are also other solutions, there are modular clamps that can clamp odd shapes and, like for example that Id hole can be clamped with inside collet clamp.
but in most cases u go for machined jaws.
Soft jaws, ID collet, or something like OML VariClamp. Many different solutions.
Machine the profile of the part on some jaws. Simple as that.
That was quick, too much plasure for a short period of time =/ .... =D
Sorry, i did not read the whole thread, but how long was the programming for this product, and what cad/cam program was used ? All the best / Stefan
Esprit. it takes at most 15 minutes with tool library and process parameters already predefined. if programming completely from scratch 30 - 60 minutes, all dependant on users proficiency with software. All 2D operations.
nice machine
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4140 is a easy cut
edward olvera lmao yea sure it is... and I also cut 304 with HSS because it’s so soft
This is funny ha first three process will work for turning m/c
36 HRC is not too hard
claudia33 Did somebody say it was? if you are looking for hard milling, please view my other videos milling S7, A2, and H13 anywhere from 52 - 62 Rc.
It's still enough to lower the surface speed ceiling on a lot of tooling. There are a lot harder materials out there sure but it's still impressive to see the material removal rates exhibited here.
Sure, but hardness isn't the end-all answer. Try graphite, hardness close to a pencil, but eats your tools like candy.