Can the V14 and V15 JK Inverter BMS be paralleled and work together?
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- With building the Tower of Power, I have finally the opportunity to test the JK Inverter BMS with all its features. I have now several of these BMS in different batteries installed and we can do all kind of testing to explore how these BMS will work together. Or not...
Here in this first video, I show you in all details how to parallel the JK Inverter BMS and connect it to your inverter. We also talk about the master-slave roles and how to set the DIP switches correctly. Is there a difference between V14 and V15 of their BMS when paralleling?
Let me know in the comments how you go with your JK Inverter BMS and what issues you had or still have.
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Careful the wheels don’t crush, could be the leaning tower of power.
I have heard they name it Pisa Tower of Power
They won't crush or bend. They have a hard wood support underneath which takes some of the load away while sitting there.
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Things I learnt. Vertical batteries take up more floor space but if you need to access a horizontal battery in a tower of batteries then prey it isn't on the bottom. Oh - and the phrase 'day of time' which I guess is only used like 'power of tower' after a glass of wine.
Amazing! 2nd JK inverter BMS underway so really helpful video :-)
Thanks. It will be great.
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I thought it was 'path of the course' as in the path one takes to get to a destination. I know another German bloke who say without further to do also...
I was surprised to realise at around 15 yrs old, something that is dragging on and on was "slow as a wet week" as opposed to what I had been thinking "slow as a wet weak" (a nerdy guy trudging dejectedly through cold drizzle)
It's a long running language misuse joke on Andy's channel. Hence emphasising it on screen
It's definitely 'without further to do'. Anyone disagreeing is not a native English speaker.
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Heya, that is nice that v14 and v15 communicated togeter
Yeah, I was relieved as well. I tested with the faulty V14 I have, and it did not talk to the V15. I only realised later that that this BMS won't talk to anything...
Unless wheels of steel, I think they'll get a flat spot and hard to move. Great extra cover of familiarity with this great BMS. Your videos all have gems of detail, ( tables, cables, labels). Views that help a DIY buyer stitch together a mass of info,
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there. I have the BMS, and have ordered 16 cells from Gobel. I can't wait. You deserve a beer.
Thank you, Ray. The wheels are just temporarily until I'm done with the testing. I have supported them with some hardwood to take the weight of them until them.
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Andy , i had to return a brand new jk bms as the temp sensors were goung crazy, then stopped altogether. Thankfully Aliexpress sorted a refund straight away and i got a replacement one to uk in 5 days....works a treat now
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Do you know when they will fix the cell voltage bug and how many JK-BMS can be connected in Parallel (CAN)?
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Would be interesting if you had one Pylontech in the mix.
technically you have lifted them all yourself, just geared down through the magic of hydraulics.
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Reaction before watching the video: They better work together, I have them and I'm just about to connect them together.
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Yes, all works together😰
Hey Andy, I have three V15 BMS in one system and a mix V14/V15 at a mates site. I can confirm V15/V14 interact correctly. But also that only the master cell voltage/temperature is being transmitted to the Victron system. When I was contacting JK I got zero response. It's a bummer that a simple feature like this is not working. Otherwise the BMS is great.
Thanks for the feedback. I wasn't sure if the cells would be reported across all parallel packs but from what you said, it's only the master? I'll confirm...
Same problem here! This error occurs equally in versions 14 and 15. No response from JK to my support requests.
According to the manual of Gobelpower, you are not allowed to stack the batteries directly on top of each other in this tower-of-power-style but you have to place them separately supported into a rack or shelf.
What manual is that? I could not find anything about it.
Strange as Seplos allows 4 boxes stacked and other DIY box manufacturers even 5.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia The manual that they provice on their homepage unter the section "downloads" - "product manual" - "GP-SR1-PC200 Owner Manual.
On page 13 in the table there is a depiction of the two allowed installation/storage orientations. The picture with the battery lying flat shows clearly that the upper battery is not allowed to be placed directly on top of the lower battery but has to be mounted to the rack so that the bottom battery doesn not carry the weight of the top battery.
I will send you an email with a screenshot.
It would be nice to put all the batteries and future batteries in nice rack cabinets with transparent doors and side vertical busbars. This would allow each battery to be easily pulled out individually.
The wheels are essential though. Regulations...🤦♂️
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Rack Cabinet on wheels, of course. 🙂
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Is there a way to combine an old jk bms with an inverter jk bms, e.g..via rs 485?
Not that I'm aware off. The old JK is using TTL and the new one uses RS-485, so there is no direct comms.
BSC - "Battery Safety Controller" can do.
Tower of Power - hey! That’s the name of my powerwall :-p
Good video on BMS compatibility- thou I always wondered if other BMS’s would work together? Pace, Jk etc etc - can one mix different brands of rack batteries (with different BMS) and have them all work together like this?
No, nothing works together. Only same brand BMS talk together and Seplos V1 with V2 but not with V3.
Peter is working on a solution for that though. The CAN to CAN Interface Board.
Another Great video Andy. I have similar, it was 2 x v14 and 1 x v15, but one of my original V14's keeps dropping coms. Its now 2 V15 and the master is a V14. Just how it worked out as I bought two more and they came as V15. BUT I noticed once on Cerbox that one battery was missing. So I started logging the CCL charge value in VRM and found that in a 24 hour period, one of the V14's would drop off the coms (new it was a 14 due to the amount the charge limit dropped) at random times and for random periods. Will be interesting if you add this to VRM and see if you have the same issue. It at first sounded a bit like you bricked unit, but it still communicated some times. Interestingly enough the faulty one was the master. it stopped providing its own data, but still passed the other two onto the CAN bus... The master is still the V14 (the working one) and the other two are V15's been no coms drop now for nearly 2 weeks.
JK has mentioned, they don't recommend mixing V14 and V15. I didn't accept that answer and started testing. Now they say, V15 should be the master... I have the V14 as master atm and it seems to work. Haven't seen any dropouts yet.
Curious to see how you hook the dissimilar battery units up. And because the inverter only knows the total power it can send to the stack, how do you ensure a smaller battery pack does not get too much power forcing the bms to shut it down..? I'm a complete noob by the way, but trying to understand how all off this works! Thanks for you fabulous content!
Thanks for your feedback.
All BMS communicating to the master which then sends the aggregated data to the inverter/charger.
Following example:
Master battery: 280Ah, max charge current set in the BMS 100A
Slave1 battery: slave100Ah, max charge current 35A
Slave2 battery: 320Ah, max charge current 120A
The master will report 100A+35A+120A as the maximum charge current to the inverter.
Slave2 turns off, due to high temperature. The master will report only 100A+35A to the inverter.
Slave1 turns off due to cell high voltage. The master will only report 100A+120A to the inverter.
If the master and slave 2 turn off, the master will still report 35A to the inverter.
I'll show this in one of the next videos.
Wonderfull Video! Could you test (just for fun) if you could combine a Pace BMS with a JK BMS?
I tried, nothing talks to each other. JK, Seplos, Pace, Tangaluma. No habla.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia ok. Bec I was thinking if I could combine them bec I already have a prebuilt and now wanted a Diy Version. Is it an option to both let them communicate via Can? So one using BMS Can port and the other one using VE Can with BMS can settings?
Andy, I’m really curious; I have a JK V15 but also an old skool JK (same as your battery shelf). I’m wondering if I’ll be able to plug the RS485 (via the adapter cable) from the old one into the new one, and will it pick up its info etc??
He Andy, I hear from Gobel that they are working on a new diy box with all the improvements (from you ;) ) and then your are getting one to test. Any idea when you get the newest box to test?
Andy have you ever thought to add two more cells in series ? I have a victron multiplus II at 24v with 8 battery cells in series and I have added another one so now I float at around 30v. You can make a test if you want with your system and make it floating at 60,3volts and bulk at around 64,8volts.
No I haven't. There is no room for two more cells in my battery shelf, all DIY boxes and pre-assembled batteries are 16s, so there would be a lot of compatibility issues with a 18s battery.
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Andy, what is the difference between version 14 and 15?
Just putting together the first of my Gobel power boxes. Mine came with solid bus bars with the screw hole in the centre 14 large, 1 mid sized (rear), and 2 half size for the first terminals. Not sure how I feel about them as you can't super tighten the terminal screws as you'll strip the tiny screw heads, however you don't have to mess about stripping wires/attaching new terminals. I think you might be wrong about not needing to join 2 cables to the rear/mid busbar at least with these mid mounted terminals as all the other cells can be measured/balanced between cables on the same looms, if you don't double up on the rear busbar you end up with a single cell between looms 2 and 3.
I tighten the terminals with 4Nm only. The balance cables need a lot less of course, Just use a screwdriver and tighten them by hand, that's all.
What BMS have you got with your GP box, JK or Pace? The JK balance cables have a gap on the third connector after the two black temp sensors and only the last cable of 2nd connector is connected to cell 8.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia It's a JK, no gap on my looms, which forum do you use I'll upload some pictures.
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Can you also parallel the JK inverter BMS with the Peter Board & old JK???
No, that's not yet possible. Peter is working on a solution for that to allow all sort of BMS to be used in parallel.
Edit: If I need to work on 1 pack, I physically disconnect the breaker of this pack, the BMS will be ON and telling the master, yep count on me to share (DVCC). For example 3 packs with 100A BMS each, 1 BMS is ON but physically disconnected (breaker OFF), the CCL are going to be 285 (95*3) if the chargers delivers 285A (as requested by the BMS), each of the 2 connected BMS will have to take 142A, and they will trip overcurrent protection. And we can't turn off the 2n BMS (the one with the breaker turned off) because as they're chained, If I shut down the BMS, will lose the connection with the 3rd BMS.
Don't understand your question...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia If I need to work on 1 pack, I physically disconnect the breaker of this pack, the BMS will be ON and telling the master, yep count on me to share (DVCC). For example 3 packs with 100A BMS each, 1 BMS is ON but physically disconnected (breaker OFF), the CCL are going to be 285 (95*3) if the chargers delivers 285A (as requested by the BMS), each of the 2 connected BMS will have to take 142A, and they will trip overcurrent protection. And we can't turn off the 2n BMS (the one with the breaker turned off) because as they're chained, If I shut down the BMS, will lose the connection with the 3rd BMS.
Iff you want to work on one of your battery, just shut down that BMS, so problem solved...@@garbi8526
@@garbi8526 in this case either disconnect the coms cable or just turn of charging and discharging for the pack you plan to work on (in addition to the breaker):
@@the_real_Stefan For now will be disconnecting the charge from the APP
I have 11 - 150a jk bms v15 setup
Damit, I need more batteries...
Any problems?
t03:55 with a build like that, I wonder if it is even worth the time to build your own now.
DIY is still a bit cheaper, but if you factor in all the time and hassle to get all the parts, it is certainly not. I think the DIY boxes are a fantastic alternative and a good compromise between pre-assembled and DIY.
Wow, that's a lot of batteries!!!
how comes you don't rack them? old server racks are dead cheap
Racks are very expensive down here or they are hundreds of km away from my location.
Racking would be so final. I like to change things up a bit here and there. Also, the wheels make things a bit easier in terms of regulations.
And the mower always in between
Yes, it will be part of the battery system soon😉
Hi Andy, can you tell us the exat type BMS you have , which one has V14 and V15, do they have both RCV ? or only the master need to have that ? ps great videos thx
From the top:
#1 JK-PB1A16S10P, V14
#2 JK-PB1A16S10P, V14
#3 JK-PB2A16S20P, V14
#4 JK-PB2A16S20P, V15
#5 JK-PB2A16S20P, V15 (master)
All BMS have RCV and RFV, same features.
Only the master needs to have the correct RCV set which will be reported to the inverter.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia thx !! thats the info i was looking for
All I want to know is, doesn't the bright garage attract all kinds of those giant Australian monster creatures (insects) at night?
A question for the community, I'm putting 36-40 panels on a industrial steel roof would appreciate options for mounting. Thanks.
Totally depends on your roof shape, distance of rafters, overall solar design (strings in parallel, roof isolator, ...) and regulations in your location.
Hi Andy, what is the goal? We have already seen the same thing repeatedly, you have a lot of batteries and we already know that they can communicate, so what is the purpose of accumulating so many?
Did you watch the video? I said it here... As you can see from your own comment, I need to repeat things, so it sticks😂
Never mind, my friend.
@@OffGridGarageAustraliaHi Andy, first of all, thank you for responding, I mean you have a tower of batteries and what you are looking for is confusing, they are in parallel and if there is a failure in one, for example, should everything turn off? since an alarm is generated or each battery is simply allowed to operate independently and that's it, each one has a BMS and an alert indicator and a protection system that isolates it in case of failure
You put them parallel in DC and to serie in CAN-bus.
Hey Andy, why have you limited access to your site for some countries?
Hi Andy can a Jk Inverter BMS communicate or connect with Ginglong Solis hybrid inverter
If your inverter can be set to the Pylontech protocol, then yes, it should be able to.
The V15 has no Heating output. Andy, can you confim this?
I have to have a look but from memory, there was the heating cable in the box when I build the DIY Gobelpower boxes.I will confirm.
I need to replace some failed BMS's on my Lifepower4 batteries. I went to your web site and to Alibaba ti investigate the JK Bms and was totally confused on what to buy, how to buy, where to buy. Can you help clarify this?
Hi! It's me again. I'm still uncertain about the right BMS. JK --> clear but which one for my DIY Battery Pack with 304A cells? This one enough? JK-PB1A16S-15P = 1Amp active balancer und 150A charge/discharge current? 2Amp balancer better or more stress for the cells? Thanks for feedback.
What is your max charge and discharge current, what cables do you use, how does your system protection look like??? The BMS is part of the whole system design. 1A balancer is totally fine for 304Ah cells.
Hi Andy i have 2 bms in parallel and i got (pl module abnormal )on the master bms i don’t know what is it and why happened i asked jk guy he didn’t explain he just say reboot it and it will go i did that it go for a while and it start showing again
That is the Power Limiting Circuit, the current limiter. I had this as well a few times during testing but a restart of the BMS has cleared the fault. Hope that works for your as well.
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How many total kWh of battery do you have?
If i can remember correctly, two DIY 16kWh in the shelves, 3x 16kWh Gobel batteries, two or three Seplos 5.1kWh, and I think another set of 3 5.1kWh batteries
I think i saw 4 Victron MPPTs?
The solar system I want to set up will use mostly Victron equipment.
I want at least two sets of 16kWh batteries in the Apexium DIY kits, with the JK BMS. It has a center screw position to help put compression on the batteries.
At least 8kW in panels and up to 24kW in inverters
Will Prowse has some shy 100kWh. That’s quite a lot.
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The tower of power was something Frank Zappa was singing about....
Also, if you get a warning light, instead of disabling the temperature probes, I just use a piece of black electrical tape over the offending alarm LED.
Then you never now if there is a new alarm on some of the other parameters.
An over temp error disables the battery.
Hahaha, love the electrical tape solution🤣
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You can also cut a leg of the alarm LED 😉
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Can you try again, it is supposed to be working now.
So irrelevant of assembly manufacturer as long as the bms are the same manufacturer we can add more storage?
One assumes on ahybrid system 48v you can't intermix as an example a pace and seplos bms and daisy chain them together in a hybrid inverter.
I ask the group as my storage at present is all 48v pace bms units and the supplier says I can only add more of there units.
I think they mean more pace bms controlled batteries and the assembly manufacturer is irrelevant.
Anyone know so when I buy some.more storage I get it correct.
Thank you.
Correct. Only the same BMS can talk to each other. JK and Seplos won't talk. JK and Pace, no chance. Seplos and Pace, no no...
We will have a solution for that in the future though. Peter is working on it...
Well, the so called controlled float charge will never work with Growatt and Lux inverter. The moment the SOC 100% is triggered by either coulomb counter or 100% RCV, both Growatt and Lux inverter will stop charging immediately leaving no time for balancing to happen. Worse, it causes battery not to be fully charged at all.
Reposting one of the comment from ... at diysolar forum below:
The issue is more of a philosophical one:
JK considers that the cell is at 100% SOC during the entire CV period of the charge (RCV->RFV->RCV cycle when float mode is enabled).
This is enforced in the firmware by requiring that 'soc-100% volt' must be set below the RCV (presumably to ensure that the cell SOC is reset reliably at each charge). This makes sense from a coulomb counting point of view, as the trigger point where you go from CC to CV charging is the most reliable time to reset the coulomb counter. But the SOC is not truly 100% the moment that you hit RCV, you need to let the battery absorb!
However... luxpower, et al, look at the situation differently, and as soon as the battery reports 100% SOC it turns the charge controller off completely. This does makes sense from a true SOC perspective, because if the battery is reporting 100% SOC why bother keeping the charge controller on. But, with the way JKBMS reports the SOC, this means that the charge controller turns off as soon as one cell in the battery hits RCV (or worse yet: if you have negative drift in the coulomb counter it will report 100% SOC before you even get to that point!), so no absorption or balancing is possible.
They both make compelling arguments, but their logic is mutually incompatible. Either JKBMS needs to report the SOC as 99% during the whole of the absorption process (as the infamous 'peter boards' do), or the inverter needs to actually respect the pylontech 'charger enable' flag and leave the charge controller enabled as long as the BMS requests charging.
edit : I already sent several emails to jkbms teams and requested the BMS to report 99% during "RCV Time" and switched to 100% after the timer expired, but never get any feedback from them. Perhaps Andy can help to contact them? Otherwise, those with Voltronic OEM inverter like Growatt and Lux will never get a working "Controlled Float Charge"
Would a possible solution be to set SOC to 100% once the RFV is activated?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes, this solution would be an ideal for those with Voltronic OEM based inverter (such as Growatt and Luxpower). 99% during throughout the "RCV Time" and change to 100% right after "RFV Time" activation. Is it possible for you to send a request to your JKBMS contact about this issue? I doubt Voltronic, Growatt, Luxpower are willing to modify the charging behavior.
The JKBMS will have to prevent "SOC-100% Volt" setting and Coulombmeter counting from triggering 100% SOC. Instead, report the SOC as 99% throughout RCV Time and only report 100% once RFV is activated when controlled float mode is enabled.
if so then seplos is screwed with their bms and poor balancer
We just need a nice JK Retrofit for the Seplos cases.
I personally would like to fit these to my Seplos Mason Vertical Cases.
The vertical case could be a challenge in terms of fitting a JK. There is not a lot of room. Maybe a 3D printed adapter plate again?
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@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hi, Endie, why jk have released a new hardware version? Something wrong with old one?
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I would expected batteries to be cheaper if there was 87 million people following him
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