0:21 No offense, but that's because Scratch wasn't made for more advanced learners. It was made with beginners in mind so that newcomers could learn the power of coding. Then, once they're advanced enough, they could move to something more professional.
Of course you can't run the Tour de France with a tricycle dude. The point of Scratch isn't to be a professional development environment, it's a learning tool.
scratch is cooked. i remember when i was like 10 and it was fun but there's nothing "new" that the scratch team has added. Everything that was cool about scratch 5 years ago is old news now. the only way scratch can save themselves is if they completely revamp the website and make some crazy new mechanic to draw interest again.
Agreed. At this point it feels like the Scratch Team just abandoned proper updates and now all we get is either some forum post thingy for some random event or a whole bunch of mass reporting.
This reminds me of a certain someone. Tbh I think the main problem with scratch is the fact that it was built for a different time (2003). Since then machines have become way more powerful and don't need a 30fps 480x640 limit. I also don't get why scratch projects are 4:3. like even in 2003 quite a lot of monitors were widescreen or 10 : 16 (an aspect ratio common in the early 2000's) so i don't see why they wouldn't include them as options. Also scratch moderation sucks. edit: don't worry I will cover trending soon...
Saying Roblox moderation rivals scratch is such a big insult to scratch since Roblox has literally way worse moderation flaws a lot of it being the games that are allowed on the platform the predators and the UGC that is being created they only take action when there losing stock
Scratch is for introducing younger audiences to programming. I don't think we need anymore updates for the website anymore. Scratch is perfect the way it is to this present day; It doesn't matter about the popularity. It's just about fun, creativity, imagination, and socialization. I do think the moderation and community needs to improve a bit, but besides that Scratch is great the way it is. If you think Scratch is getting boring, then I think you need to move on to different programming languages than just stacking lego bricks together.
Turbowarp, Penguinmod, and other Scratch mods show that there's really no reason for them not to add additional features. Perhaps no more regular blocks are needed (for the most part) but those mods offer so many game-changing extensions that would only add to the experience. Sure, there comes a point where people ought to just move on to a more capable engine if they want more flexibility, but that doesn't change the fact that you have to manually add code to every object in a Scratch project just to be compatible with scrolling. Even game engines that are a hundred times more complex than Scratch come with built-in physics engines and easier tools for building levels. It'll always have a special place in my heart, but it can be better.
@@Disciple_JK it's just a weird request. It's a learning tool to get into programming so you can go learn an actual language/engine when you're done with the basics. It's like riding your first bike with training wheels as a young kid then wanting a mountain bikes using training wheels lol it's just a weird ask/complaint
I'm sorry but there is not a single lick of creativity in the majority of scratch projects. The website is designed to push uncreative slop to the top, providing no inspiration to anyone, and encouraging them to carbon copy stuff that everyone else has already carbon copied 16 times over. It's just a cesspit of children who want attention. They need to completely redesign their algorithm to push the good projects to the top so that people have ideas to go off of, and to create more room for improvement. Scratch's design is inherently damaging to young programmers.
scratch is literally a place for teaching kids how to code and stuff like that. it is also for people above the age of 8 but it isn't fricken Java script. your pretty much just exaggerating everything about it, meanwhile I thought my whole account will 313 followers would lose popularity because of a (according to the comments) heavily exaggerated video about scratch fps. it's not a advanced website where you can create Sky children of the light. I think I have said enough, please don't call me a nerd for saying according, have a great day and goodbye.
also I had to deal with multiple permanent band on my alts because st thought they were shared accounts with an enemy since for one I can't have linked accounts and because of the underscores. other than that, there was no reason to get banned. honestly I blame St for that but it's still not the worst place ever
It’s sim to me when someone thinks a platform is dying because it is searched less on google and thus it’s “dead” because everybody knows about it and doesn’t need to search it
1:40 that is 10 fps. not 30. also scratch on Firefox runs at 20 FPS, meaning you're not even right. this "30 fps" version of the clip you hit isn't even comparable to Scratch with 20 FPS 3:14 it actually *renders* at a higher resolution than that (unless you're using pen, but whatever, it's fine) 4:10 I agree with this, but that's a community issue. (one that is not helped by good people not wanting to use scratch) 5:09 I hate to say, but yeah. fuck scratch when it comes to moderation.
idk where did u get the info about firefox running at 20 fps but i don't think it's true (unless u could say your source?) I use firefox, but not everybody does so it's pretty much true that it runs at whatever speed scratch runs, not being affected by browser speed.
Hence, I use Turbowarp instead. It's just a direct upgrade, AND it caters to all of my needs as a developer. > You can use spritesheets with the Clipping & Blending extension. > You can literally do OOP using JSON objects with the JSON extension. > Multiplayer becomes a cakewalk compared to Scratch when using the Numeric Encoding extension. > Lily's Toolkit has blocks which I could hardly live without in basic Scratch. > Custom blocks can return values, need I say more? I swear, Turbowarp alone is on par with other top engines, if you know how to use it.
Scratch can be good for beginner projects, but bad for advanced projects and those with a mobile device that you can’t see really good advanced projects because you can’t see it/reloads a lot and can’t play some projects.
i might come back to scratch in a year, as like every second or so year it becomes good again tbh 2023 was nostalgic EDIT: Also the rudeness i have got on my games, back from April to July, i was all over the trending page making easy platformers that i like to make and getting critisized for that. I have been recognised on youtube twice only to face people being rude about it. Scratch is filled with nonstop brainrot in the animations section and it feels not like a kids website anymore; it won't be able to call it a kids website because they are SO toxic these days and 5 year olds just roam it mass reporting everyone like SCRATCH REALLY SUCKS on griffpatch's chat there are fucking 6 year olds advertising their games and scratch ignore my emails when i am banned from THAT STUPID MODERATION and when they look they JUST SAY TO FUCKING WAIT IT OUT like what??? + Cheddargirl sucks
I left bc drama, my mental health was so bad. I was banned bc I was upset and venting out my feelings after receiving DEATH THREATS FOR UNFRIENDING SOMEONE ON ROBLOX-
i don't get it. i feel like it would be really better if new coders weren't stuck to scratch for some time but learned unity/gamemaker or any engine really from the start.
I would love to make more games in scratch if it didn't have some very crucial problems... 1. some startup issues(Desync or different results if double green flagged etc.) 2. layering problems 3. Clone touch detection problem... 4. Sprites going off-screen
@@bits360wastaken well it was supposed to be 60, so either something went wrong when youtube was reading the meta data for the video or in the exporting process from premiere pro to media encoder. It was unintentional
This video misses the point of Scratch. He is trying to chastize Scratch for not being an advanced tool, but fails to read the tagline "world's largest free coding community for kids." Sure some of the design decisions might be strange, and the code block could do with some revamping, but scratch was never meant for advanced projects, or even large-scale games at all! if you look back at the first Scratch projects, you can see they were more akin to animated postcards with some gamification. The advanced things that have been made with scratch, like 3D renderers, hi-speed games, custom compilers, emulators, engines, and everything you showed in the "Scratch cant do THIS" section, were a result of an extremely dedicated offshoot of the community, who mastered the strange, somewhat arbitrary syntax of Scratch, transforming it into this pseudo-javascript thing when it was only intended for basic coding concepts. Overall this video is shiiiit. have a good day
Yeah, the stuff scratch is capable of at its full potential is incredible considering it was made for kids, but they were made by extremely dedicated people who treat scratch like a job. Maybe not griffpatch though, he still finds fun in making those hyper-advanced games
Scratch is a stepping point for coders. I myself learned scratch when i was younger. then once i got older i made connections in new languages to scratch. this allowed me to learn better langauges a lot faster because i already used those lines in the form of blocks. (also this is a lego language made for 8-11 yr olds dont sweat it that much)
As a low level coder, scratch is fun and engaging. I've learned a lot using it. There are also a lot of programs that use drag and drop coding these days, making it an incredible starting off point for even adults. I've used scratch off and on since middle school, so 7-8 years now, and it's allowed me to start learning stuff like blender's shaders, and GoDot's engine.
No, it's better to learn a better game engine, scratch and turbowarp has its limitations, and there are many limitations, basic engines like godot, unity, gamemaker, are much better for a beginner than scratch.
I'm surprised if anyone remembers me but I used to make the update videos for Scratch Addons. I've been using the website for a very long time - most of my life! But the reason I left Scratch behind was because the team running it didn't seem to care. My main frustration is that they did everything halfway. There was some huge potential, but little work done to harness that potential. Scratch seems to have created a website for beginners that had a few advanced features, but was very slow on the uptake that people weren't just using it to learn, they were staying there. By that point, it seemed like they simply didn't care enough to maximize and ended up forcing a community that could have been thriving to die.
1:30 you can only see the difference because you put the higher fps first. and then after that you show the geometry dash one on scratch and it looked perfectly fine. you know why?! because there isnt a problem with 30 fps. you exaggerating
Also don't forget the sprite fencing (sprites cannot go offscreen). This makes creating a scrolling game torture. Good thing that in turbowarp and penguin mod it can be disabled and in ganci its disabled by default.
U can make sprites go off screen, just switch them to a massive costume, move them, switch them back and repeat this in a run without screen refresh custom block
Glad i used scratch offline learning the basics and starting my journy now i'm learning blender but scratch still holds a nostalgic place in my heart but i need to do the jump of faith
1:29 Nice try, but this is heavily exaggerated as the video you uploaded is only in the maximum framerate of 30fps (you can't select the 60fps option in settings).
Yeah, I find it pretty dishonest. I assume this is just lackluster research, since he doesn't have much of a reason to do this, besides trying to keep viewer retention high? I'm not entirely of the reasoning behind it.
@@Randomscratchhere because the video is 24 fps, which was changed for some reason on youtube during the exporting of the video, the frame rates are messed up on all of the video clips.
i feel as there’s not much point to scratch jr, considering Scratch is already a pretty junior like program. i dont know how the developers dont notice us, trying to push scratch to its limits, but if they dont want there program to die, they need to update its possibilities. a way to do that, is put half the stuff that’s in scratch now into scratch junior, considering real scratch is pretty junior. then, they can then proceed to level up scratch
Tokyo Machine and Guy Arthur go BRRRRR. In all honesty though, this was a really good video. It perfectly sums up everything that I don't like about scratch, from the unnecessary limitations to the overprotective moderation system. The main reasons why I still use scratch are because it is in browser and because I find the restrictions like a challenge to get around.
Kinda expected, it’s completely useless outside of teaching middle schoolers how to use logic in programming. It’s an educational tool. It’s not actually programming.
(Edit: 1:41 i'm pretty sure that's 15fps...) While scratch may die, people will still use it and publish full-size games, just not the website, how ironic~ ☆
dawg is right i had to turn the frames down so it would be overly dramatically obvious lol edit: I thought the fps of the video was 60 fps, for some reason during exporting, youtube set the fps of the video to 24 fps instead of 60 and messed up the fps of all of the clips.
Many people are against scratch. Including me. One of my favorite creators was banned permanently for a devianart post of her fursona but they allow $h? That person was on scratch for NINE YEARS.
Honestly , scratch was (I think) just a way to to teach kids/ beginners an easy to understand way to code so than they can slowly build up to more difficult and advanced programs, so it make sense why it has many limitations n stuff
1:34 we all just know that this is 24 fps, LOWER than scratch's framerate, and the "30 fps" clip is at 12 FPS. THATS WHY IT LOOKS CHOPPY, HUH. 3:31 and here you obviously used a pixelated effect to make it worse than it is.
tbh as a retird scratcher, i get, i mean i worked very hard on a game for like months, and once i relesed it it got very little views, and i even used some of those "how to get on trending on scratch" videos and stuff, i tried again with another game. it also took some months and it was way better than the other one and i even did the same thing as the other one but still little views. I Used to mainly make animations, they didn't take me that much but they also floped, i only have like 3 popular animations, 2 of those where in offical scratch studios and the other one got popular because i uploaded it to youtube and it got alot of views there making people go to the scratch version, they weren't even that good (excpet the last one, but it got taken down) the actual good ones tho only got at most 50-100 views. Meanwhile There Where These Copy And Paste Platformers Getting On Trending, I Even Made A Project About That And It Got Taken Down (tbh, it was kind of naughty) that's why i moved to make animations on youtube.
Been a scratcher for 3 years. I've also realized that my projects comepletely get NO views at all. And I'm slowly losing hope on succeeding and about to retire. And besides, popular content in Scratch is just repetitive, no space for ACTUAL unique and good games, which makes me realize the sad truth, imagine the new Scratchers every day exited to be popular, only to realize that they'll be overshadowed by the repetitive content I guess I'm better off writing stories
its because everyone is moving to Turbowarp, Penguinmod, Gandi, etc. the limits are removed, and more capabilities are added. since tw and pm are partially compatable and all tw extensions work in pm, you can do mostly anything in either of them.
i hate 'remix culture' omfg i dont like how the scratch team says oh remixes are good for learning or wtv no they are not its just used to pump out sh*tty projects fast
So now you're saying that scratch is dying because it is to limited and you can't get much of it with it's moderation system, but guess what, this is the point of scratch! Not trying to be mean or act like an average scratch forum nerd, but you can just use another engine other than scratch if you don't like the limitations. And yes, scratch team is not the best at moderation, and their not really good at making things clear, but Scratch is a kids' website, can you name a kids website with good moderation? I don't mean that Scratch moderation is great, but it's acceptable for a small and basic children website, and not to mention that there are thousands of projects created everday on scratch, and scratch team have less than 200 moderators, you really cant expect much out of it.. Please stop shaming scratch for not doing every single thing perfectly, just switch if you hate scratch or get a job. Again, not trying to be mean, just my opinion
I started using Scratch in 2017. I had a sidescroller shooter game that I started working on in late 2018 and had worked on for 5 years (on and off in my free time). While previously the only thing holding the game back was my laziness and poor work ethic, I noticed something when I tried to start work on a new update for it. Enemies, which utilize the clone feature to exist in larger numbers, could no longer detect projectile attacks (which I also did using the clone feature.) I tried just about everything to troubleshoot it, but due to some strange bug that I coudn't find any information on, this game was and is effectively broken. I didn't have trouble moving on from that and just starting work on new projects, but the fact that it happened made me realize just how flawed the engine is.
Getting into gcses and Gandi's programming translations ( scratch blocks to python ) sounds absolutely perfect for someone like me. I'm really good at scratch and just need to learn the basics of other languages to utilise them to my full capabilities.
this video is an W, thats why i quit scratch a long time ago The moderation and mass reporters are the main reasons i quit like wtf why cant u make a gun animation with no blood
I mean being honest, scratch is very good, Its what brought many people to coding, and to be real, Gandi isn't really that much better, part of the reasons gandi doesn't have to worry about the same things scratch does is that it doesn't have as big a userbase. This video is close to being fraud, use scratch, enjoy it. Gandi is just scratch with a couple of fancy addons, Some times simpler is better. "Sometimes Restrictions are what makes things shine" - someone I don't know
^ This comment 1,000%. One more thing to add: the guy in the vid does NOT understand at all that Scratch is meant to teach kids programming fundamentals; that has been its goal since the beginning. Also Turbowarp is literally right there so why don't he use that instead of whine and complain lmao
@@DragonAero that's what i said in the video. 🤦♂ "Scratch is good for beginners, but once you want to expand, you need extensions like turbowarp or gandi ide"
"Scratch is not designed at all for professional level games" I hope you understand that Scratch was meant to teach kids the basics of programming since the beginning. If you really want to make a professional game on Scratch, use a Scratch mod like Turbowarp or something "Scratch also favors generic and simplistic games" It's not an issue with Scratch, it's an issue with the community. The community (mostly children) prefer generic and simplistic games, so the trending algorithm pushes them to the front page. I'm not saying that's a good thing; I'm just explaining why Scratch's Trending page favors those games.
@@Sunrymoon Look at Scratch's statistics page (found in the site's footer). Then observe the graphs for monthly active trends, monthly active users, monthly project shares, and monthly comment activity. Notice how all of those graphs are steadily increasing and have been since 2014? That completely disproves your "fact" that Scratch is dying. Do your research next time.
@@DragonAero at what point did I say that scratch is dying? Posted my original comment because yours stood out as it was in no case disproving that scratch was dying,you saw and immediately jumped to the conclusion that I said scratch is dying,I guess that's understandable but still this isn't what I meant at all
from my experience of the past year, scratch moderation is reaching roblox levels, recently i got a warning for 'spamming' just because someone spam reported my comment
Pretty much the reason why some advanced learners still use scratch is the community. You can get much more free exposure on Scratch (still wondering why I spent nearly 10 hrs to make an atom simulator and it got less views than decorating a Christmas tree)
the only reason I stay on scratch is because of the social media aspect and the mini-communities on the site that prioritize a single game or something.
happily im on offline scratch but that means no multiplayer. too be honest scratch is now scratchyourwayoutofthiswebsite because OH GOD LOOK AT THAT TURBOWARPING RED T LOGO!!! To be honest im sure the scratch mods are gonna have mascots and be way more popular after scratch explodes and dies.
if scratch added options to remove clone limits and change fps and change screen stuff and things like that (and add previous costume block) it would be so much better
hi im the ip banned girl again, i watched this and thought about it this time. i think they deactivated they auto mod onto popular creators, and that to the people like me that had like 2 followers, it was more strict due to scratch maybeeee not knowing its users and so throwing random AI bans. it has been now 7 months since my last appeal attempt, im gonna try again later in the following days, wish me luck with their horrendous Staff, or maybe bots i dont know anymore.
I stopped using Scratch in 2021 once i noticed how powerful and overall better Turbowarp really was and Scratch just faded into obscurity once i also discovered Penguinmod and how good it was. Scratch banning me for a 3-4 days and then unban me only to permanently ban me 3-4 more days later for the same reason was a traumatic experience for me. Especially with the Hacking incident that happened
Me and my friends used to use scratch and for a while I forgot about it and left the community because I moved to a different place, I have now forgotten my password but I still look at the old scratch and old me and I wish scratch would be as forgiving and more interactive as it used to be but all good things come to an end eventually.
I used Scratch for 2 years. And it was fun. But I never got following for making projects with hard work. I wanted to make games which were different and cool, but they never got enough following as the generic projects. So, I left. Maybe I would return, or maybe not. But thank you for reminding about Gandi IDE, I would use it now :)
Honestly after this I think I'm going to start using Gand IDE, but I'll still use Scratch as well and most likely more. The only thing keeping me there is a super wholesome Kirby fanbase I found there and I just can't leave that fanbase.
2:50 I love that Minecraft game, it’s so good! You are right, though, Scratch is cooked. I sometimes use Scratch, and I haven’t seen much activity in studios that I’m part of. No one I know likes Scratch anymore, and there are a bunch of inactive accounts and accounts that aren’t used anymore on there. Scratch would need a HUGE update to get back on track, so I’m sorry to say this, but Scratch might be done for. 😢 4:59 I WANT GANDI SO BAD NOW! 😍
Im going to admit. I havent made a base scratch project in a while. I dont really like ghandi too much. Just some shady practices with extension devs for turbowarp. But i think turbowarp is a good alternative not just for removing some of the limits but for adding new features.
Scratch hasn't been updated for TOO LONG and the Scratch team has rejected TOO MANY ideas that are actually helpful for expanding or even simplifying Scratch. A standard example is the ridiculous discussion regarding the () ^ () block...
0:21 No offense, but that's because Scratch wasn't made for more advanced learners. It was made with beginners in mind so that newcomers could learn the power of coding. Then, once they're advanced enough, they could move to something more professional.
I totally agree with your opinions on the repetitive junk and the terrible moderation though.
He literally said that throughout the whole video
@@Auuuuuuuughh Yeah. But to me he sounded like he expected scratch to be like unity. You are correct though.
Lack of basic stuff like easily reusable objects actively gets in the way of learning and teaches really bad practice that will need to be unlearned.
@@bits360wastaken That's true lol. But I don't think they intended to teach kids badly.
Of course you can't run the Tour de France with a tricycle dude. The point of Scratch isn't to be a professional development environment, it's a learning tool.
True
That’s why I moved to turbowarp.
@@Lemon-kw2iqacting like turbo warp isn't just scratch with more blocks
@@Lemon-kw2iqJust learn Java, or C
@@firemonkey1015 Scratch is not meant to be an extreme game engine, it''s supposed to be the absolute basics
scratch is cooked. i remember when i was like 10 and it was fun but there's nothing "new" that the scratch team has added. Everything that was cool about scratch 5 years ago is old news now. the only way scratch can save themselves is if they completely revamp the website and make some crazy new mechanic to draw interest again.
Agreed. At this point it feels like the Scratch Team just abandoned proper updates and now all we get is either some forum post thingy for some random event or a whole bunch of mass reporting.
Yeah I think they should make a scratch 4.0
I just moved onto modded versions of Scratch like Penguinmod
Real.
Just false stop banning
1:44 the video is running at 30 fps, so you can make 30 fps work
@@pixelcuber 🗿
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@@pixelcuber 24-25fps actually
@@pixelcuber no it's 24 fps
playing fortnite at 30 vs 60fps though is a massive difference it is way harder on 30fps
coders when THE CHILDREN'S BEGINNING PROGRAMMER LANGUAGE isnt made for PROFESSIONAL LEVEL GAMES
@@SuperSign64 cry about it
@@JeroCero no need to be toxic abt it but his point is invalid
even kids would want to go advance in scratch
@@svetislav-t7hfrrr
Exactly
Using Clones 🚫 Using Lists Containing position data ✅
200,000 item list limit surprise
but then you have to use the Pen block, and sprites can't be ordered between them because stamped objects go to the back of the layers
@@JacksonAcademy1 stuff drawn by pen goes directly above the background
@@marmaladetoast2431 I was talking about sprites. the pen doesn't draw in front of sprites, it goes directly behind them.
Use pen for everything then. Use it for the player, the enemies, the collectibles.
This reminds me of a certain someone. Tbh I think the main problem with scratch is the fact that it was built for a different time (2003). Since then machines have become way more powerful and don't need a 30fps 480x640 limit. I also don't get why scratch projects are 4:3. like even in 2003 quite a lot of monitors were widescreen or 10 : 16 (an aspect ratio common in the early 2000's) so i don't see why they wouldn't include them as options. Also scratch moderation sucks.
edit: don't worry I will cover trending soon...
I can't wait for you to cover the scratch trending page! Make sure to subscribe to @Challenger10k when he posts 💯
@@JacksonAcademy1 thats a great idea!
hello challenger tbh i would rather use turbowarp or penguin mod. only because they have better extensions and tons of features.
even in 2003 computers were powerful enough to run more than 30 fps and have bigger canvas than 480x640 for 2D game.
@@Hramzhuk that's a good point. I'm no expert so I'm not exactly sure but there is no excuse for scratch to have never updated the limits
"Roblox moderation has some competition" Was NOT a thing I was expecting to hear today
@@DaCoolSpider I mean Sprunki didn't get taken down until it exploded in popularity
Saying Roblox moderation rivals scratch is such a big insult to scratch since Roblox has literally way worse moderation flaws a lot of it being the games that are allowed on the platform the predators and the UGC that is being created they only take action when there losing stock
@@xinhalerfler fun at party's ay?
@@DaCoolSpider i dont really consider that for a joke
to me scratch is just an art tool. seriously I actually learned how to make art in the vector editor
Scratch is for introducing younger audiences to programming. I don't think we need anymore updates for the website anymore. Scratch is perfect the way it is to this present day; It doesn't matter about the popularity. It's just about fun, creativity, imagination, and socialization. I do think the moderation and community needs to improve a bit, but besides that Scratch is great the way it is. If you think Scratch is getting boring, then I think you need to move on to different programming languages than just stacking lego bricks together.
Turbowarp, Penguinmod, and other Scratch mods show that there's really no reason for them not to add additional features. Perhaps no more regular blocks are needed (for the most part) but those mods offer so many game-changing extensions that would only add to the experience.
Sure, there comes a point where people ought to just move on to a more capable engine if they want more flexibility, but that doesn't change the fact that you have to manually add code to every object in a Scratch project just to be compatible with scrolling.
Even game engines that are a hundred times more complex than Scratch come with built-in physics engines and easier tools for building levels. It'll always have a special place in my heart, but it can be better.
@@Disciple_JK it's just a weird request. It's a learning tool to get into programming so you can go learn an actual language/engine when you're done with the basics.
It's like riding your first bike with training wheels as a young kid then wanting a mountain bikes using training wheels lol it's just a weird ask/complaint
I'm sorry but there is not a single lick of creativity in the majority of scratch projects. The website is designed to push uncreative slop to the top, providing no inspiration to anyone, and encouraging them to carbon copy stuff that everyone else has already carbon copied 16 times over. It's just a cesspit of children who want attention.
They need to completely redesign their algorithm to push the good projects to the top so that people have ideas to go off of, and to create more room for improvement.
Scratch's design is inherently damaging to young programmers.
scratch is literally a place for teaching kids how to code and stuff like that. it is also for people above the age of 8 but it isn't fricken Java script. your pretty much just exaggerating everything about it, meanwhile I thought my whole account will 313 followers would lose popularity because of a (according to the comments) heavily exaggerated video about scratch fps. it's not a advanced website where you can create Sky children of the light. I think I have said enough, please don't call me a nerd for saying according, have a great day and goodbye.
also I had to deal with multiple permanent band on my alts because st thought they were shared accounts with an enemy since for one I can't have linked accounts and because of the underscores. other than that, there was no reason to get banned. honestly I blame St for that but it's still not the worst place ever
@@scuglat-scratch that's one problem of scratch
Scratch is literally simplified Javascript lol
There is gdevelop, ct.js and godot who far better for teaching, especially gdevelop
nerd
It’s sim to me when someone thinks a platform is dying because it is searched less on google and thus it’s “dead” because everybody knows about it and doesn’t need to search it
Dumb* th autocorrect thinking with “sim”
1:40 that is 10 fps. not 30. also scratch on Firefox runs at 20 FPS, meaning you're not even right.
this "30 fps" version of the clip you hit isn't even comparable to Scratch with 20 FPS
3:14 it actually *renders* at a higher resolution than that (unless you're using pen, but whatever, it's fine)
4:10 I agree with this, but that's a community issue. (one that is not helped by good people not wanting to use scratch)
5:09 I hate to say, but yeah. fuck scratch when it comes to moderation.
idk where did u get the info about firefox running at 20 fps but i don't think it's true (unless u could say your source?)
I use firefox, but not everybody does so it's pretty much true that it runs at whatever speed scratch runs, not being affected by browser speed.
i know right immediately when i saw it i knew it wasnt 30 fps so i checked the comments to find a comment like this
and you know what? THE VIDEO ITSELF IS ONLY 24FPS so you couldnt even see the difference if it was 30fps!!
@@TrueEmc I can vouch that Firefox does run Scratch slower, though I haven't tested the exact frame count.
@@TrueEmc personal experience
Hence, I use Turbowarp instead. It's just a direct upgrade, AND it caters to all of my needs as a developer.
> You can use spritesheets with the Clipping & Blending extension.
> You can literally do OOP using JSON objects with the JSON extension.
> Multiplayer becomes a cakewalk compared to Scratch when using the Numeric Encoding extension.
> Lily's Toolkit has blocks which I could hardly live without in basic Scratch.
> Custom blocks can return values, need I say more?
I swear, Turbowarp alone is on par with other top engines, if you know how to use it.
Turbowarps great, especially with upgrades such as pointer lock, infinite clones, etc
Scratch should definitely add a thing that lets you view the actual code.
@@TanookiTheAnimator YES
Scratch can be good for beginner projects, but bad for advanced projects and those with a mobile device that you can’t see really good advanced projects because you can’t see it/reloads a lot and can’t play some projects.
1:41 im watching this at 30fps what are u talkijg abt (i just skipped a minute into the video im clueless as to whats going on)
i might come back to scratch in a year, as like every second or so year it becomes good again tbh 2023 was nostalgic EDIT: Also the rudeness i have got on my games, back from April to July, i was all over the trending page making easy platformers that i like to make and getting critisized for that. I have been recognised on youtube twice only to face people being rude about it. Scratch is filled with nonstop brainrot in the animations section and it feels not like a kids website anymore; it won't be able to call it a kids website because they are SO toxic these days and 5 year olds just roam it mass reporting everyone like SCRATCH REALLY SUCKS on griffpatch's chat there are fucking 6 year olds advertising their games and scratch ignore my emails when i am banned from THAT STUPID MODERATION and when they look they JUST SAY TO FUCKING WAIT IT OUT like what??? + Cheddargirl sucks
I left bc drama, my mental health was so bad. I was banned bc I was upset and venting out my feelings after receiving DEATH THREATS FOR UNFRIENDING SOMEONE ON ROBLOX-
bro you most platformers don't come back
Yeah, the games that people advertise are really, REALLY bad, especially the stiff, 2 minute bits of vector shit people call ‘animations’
I really hope Scratch doesn't get forgotten or something 😢
Or somthing?..
i don't get it. i feel like it would be really better if new coders weren't stuck to scratch for some time but learned unity/gamemaker or any engine really from the start.
It probably won't be forgotten, as kids are being taught to use it in schools.
same
I would love to make more games in scratch if it didn't have some very crucial problems... 1. some startup issues(Desync or different results if double green flagged etc.) 2. layering problems 3. Clone touch detection problem... 4. Sprites going off-screen
All of those are fixable, can u send me ur scratch username and I’ll give u a tutorial on how to fix them
All of those are very easy to fix, if u want, send me ur scratch username and I’ll give u a tutorial project on fixing those issues
Not to mention the fact most “remixes” change nothing and are made to ride the popularity of a trending animation with low effort
and sprite stealers are somehow still not banned yet. once somebody stole a sprite from me and said i will be arrested and he will be rich
Scratch is still being used as a challenge to do not do simple things while it's a simple coding app, like people make "3D" fps games and stuff.
1:38 you dont need to lie to make a point. thats like 14 fps or smth
youtube changed the fps of my video, it messed up the fps of all the clips for some reason
@@JacksonAcademy1 that's not how that works...
@@jaythecoderx4623it is bro
@@JacksonAcademy1 Thats not how that works, you exported to 24 and slowed down to 12
@@bits360wastaken well it was supposed to be 60, so either something went wrong when youtube was reading the meta data for the video or in the exporting process from premiere pro to media encoder. It was unintentional
This video misses the point of Scratch.
He is trying to chastize Scratch for not being an advanced tool, but fails to read the tagline "world's largest free coding community for kids." Sure some of the design decisions might be strange, and the code block could do with some revamping, but scratch was never meant for advanced projects, or even large-scale games at all! if you look back at the first Scratch projects, you can see they were more akin to animated postcards with some gamification. The advanced things that have been made with scratch, like 3D renderers, hi-speed games, custom compilers, emulators, engines, and everything you showed in the "Scratch cant do THIS" section, were a result of an extremely dedicated offshoot of the community, who mastered the strange, somewhat arbitrary syntax of Scratch, transforming it into this pseudo-javascript thing when it was only intended for basic coding concepts. Overall this video is shiiiit. have a good day
I'm not chastising it for being an advanced tool. I know scratch is a beginners program. i'm chastising it for it's terrible moderation and rules.
Yeah, the stuff scratch is capable of at its full potential is incredible considering it was made for kids, but they were made by extremely dedicated people who treat scratch like a job. Maybe not griffpatch though, he still finds fun in making those hyper-advanced games
all this comment does is vomit big words because someone insulted their favorite online dating website
Scratch is a stepping point for coders. I myself learned scratch when i was younger. then once i got older i made connections in new languages to scratch. this allowed me to learn better langauges a lot faster because i already used those lines in the form of blocks. (also this is a lego language made for 8-11 yr olds dont sweat it that much)
Actually, with scratch addons, you can change the fps and make everything exactly like turbowarp
scratch doesn't like third party extentions. mention "scratch addons" in the comments and your banned
@@JacksonAcademy1 Thats one of the most stupid things about scratch team. When everything people make on the website can be considered third party.
As a low level coder, scratch is fun and engaging. I've learned a lot using it. There are also a lot of programs that use drag and drop coding these days, making it an incredible starting off point for even adults. I've used scratch off and on since middle school, so 7-8 years now, and it's allowed me to start learning stuff like blender's shaders, and GoDot's engine.
You can remove most of scratch's limitations with turbowarp
@@cheesepop7175 ok
@@cheesepop7175 For real
No, it's better to learn a better game engine, scratch and turbowarp has its limitations, and there are many limitations, basic engines like godot, unity, gamemaker, are much better for a beginner than scratch.
@@rice_gd love2d
Agree @@rice_gd
I'm surprised if anyone remembers me but I used to make the update videos for Scratch Addons. I've been using the website for a very long time - most of my life! But the reason I left Scratch behind was because the team running it didn't seem to care. My main frustration is that they did everything halfway. There was some huge potential, but little work done to harness that potential. Scratch seems to have created a website for beginners that had a few advanced features, but was very slow on the uptake that people weren't just using it to learn, they were staying there. By that point, it seemed like they simply didn't care enough to maximize and ended up forcing a community that could have been thriving to die.
scratch is still thriving to this day tf you talking about
generic projects are thriving, original projects aren't.
@@JacksonAcademy1he meant the page
@@malcolmali915 yeah, generic fp projects are ass, but if you know where to look you can find some hidden gems
1:30 you can only see the difference because you put the higher fps first. and then after that you show the geometry dash one on scratch and it looked perfectly fine. you know why?! because there isnt a problem with 30 fps. you exaggerating
Do you know how hard it is to play GD at 30 fps 😭
youtube downgraded my fps
Also don't forget the sprite fencing (sprites cannot go offscreen). This makes creating a scrolling game torture. Good thing that in turbowarp and penguin mod it can be disabled and in ganci its disabled by default.
U can make sprites go off screen, just switch them to a massive costume, move them, switch them back and repeat this in a run without screen refresh custom block
Glad i used scratch offline learning the basics and starting my journy now i'm learning blender but scratch still holds a nostalgic place in my heart but i need to do the jump of faith
fr
1:29 Nice try, but this is heavily exaggerated as the video you uploaded is only in the maximum framerate of 30fps (you can't select the 60fps option in settings).
wait, are you saying the entire thing is fake?
@@PrimeChase Yeah guy, the 60fps vs 30fps is exageratted, maybe the 30fps parts is like 24 or 12fps
Yeah, I find it pretty dishonest. I assume this is just lackluster research, since he doesn't have much of a reason to do this, besides trying to keep viewer retention high? I'm not entirely of the reasoning behind it.
@@Randomscratchhere because the video is 24 fps, which was changed for some reason on youtube during the exporting of the video, the frame rates are messed up on all of the video clips.
Yea its so obvious
Im using scratch since im 8. I got so many project deleted that i fucking hate this website now. Gandi better fr
so about half a year?
nice
@@svenrawandreloaded ?
@@FrenchCrasyGuy i joined scratch in 2020 and nothing really changed.
i feel as there’s not much point to scratch jr, considering Scratch is already a pretty junior like program.
i dont know how the developers dont notice us, trying to push scratch to its limits, but if they dont want there program to die, they need to update its possibilities.
a way to do that, is put half the stuff that’s in scratch now into scratch junior, considering real scratch is pretty junior. then, they can then proceed to level up scratch
Tokyo Machine and Guy Arthur go BRRRRR. In all honesty though, this was a really good video. It perfectly sums up everything that I don't like about scratch, from the unnecessary limitations to the overprotective moderation system. The main reasons why I still use scratch are because it is in browser and because I find the restrictions like a challenge to get around.
Lil bros salty that he got banned off scratch 💀
I'm surprised this got hearted
@@malcolmali915 same
I'm not salty... or Jackson.
@@lilsan444-h8p nah lil bro you got salty he made fair criticisms to about your favorite little game engine
@@hstd_Squimp or maybe the commenter was joking?
Kinda expected, it’s completely useless outside of teaching middle schoolers how to use logic in programming. It’s an educational tool. It’s not actually programming.
IDK if your salty or your sincere
@@ScratchyBladez He seems pretty salty to me. But that's just my opinion.
@@IanLester-j5c of course i'm salty they deleted my account that had 10+ years of progress without any warning
@@JacksonAcademy1 lmao develop windows 8 apps instead its way mor efficient
@@JacksonAcademy1use castle :D
It like scratch but phone or tablet
@@JacksonAcademy1, being salty from an account.
"Why can't we just go backwards for once"
-Halliday
(Edit: 1:41 i'm pretty sure that's 15fps...)
While scratch may die, people will still use it and publish full-size games, just not the website, how ironic~ ☆
dawg is right i had to turn the frames down so it would be overly dramatically obvious lol
edit: I thought the fps of the video was 60 fps, for some reason during exporting, youtube set the fps of the video to 24 fps instead of 60 and messed up the fps of all of the clips.
@@JacksonAcademy1 (angrily nitpicking sounds)
@@JacksonAcademy1 why would you do that..? that's just dishonest and it doesn't prove your point.
@@proton..it does, 15 frames is 2x less than 30, 30 is 2x less than 60. He slowed down at the same proportion
@@PhilHoob The jump from sixty fps to thirty is way less noticeable than the jump from thirty fps to fifteen.
Many people are against scratch. Including me. One of my favorite creators was banned permanently for a devianart post of her fursona but they allow $h? That person was on scratch for NINE YEARS.
The next year i will be a 10 Years Scratcher!
🫡
Same here actually, although nowadays I just use it for Incredibox
Older than most scratch users
@@JoacoTech YAY! *party popper noises with clapping on the background*
(I meant "in the background", but I accidentally typed "on the background" instead.)
GDevelop is similar but you have the option to type in JavaScript
Honestly , scratch was (I think) just a way to to teach kids/ beginners an easy to understand way to code so than they can slowly build up to more difficult and advanced programs, so it make sense why it has many limitations n stuff
Idk why everyone being mad that Jackson is just giving mad facts
1:34 we all just know that this is 24 fps, LOWER than scratch's framerate, and the "30 fps" clip is at 12 FPS. THATS WHY IT LOOKS CHOPPY, HUH.
3:31 and here you obviously used a pixelated effect to make it worse than it is.
tbh as a retird scratcher, i get, i mean i worked very hard on a game for like months, and once i relesed it it got very little views, and i even used some of those "how to get on trending on scratch" videos and stuff, i tried again with another game. it also took some months and it was way better than the other one and i even did the same thing as the other one but still little views.
I Used to mainly make animations, they didn't take me that much but they also floped, i only have like 3 popular animations, 2 of those where in offical scratch studios and the other one got popular because i uploaded it to youtube and it got alot of views there making people go to the scratch version, they weren't even that good (excpet the last one, but it got taken down) the actual good ones tho only got at most 50-100 views.
Meanwhile There Where These Copy And Paste Platformers Getting On Trending, I Even Made A Project About That And It Got Taken Down (tbh, it was kind of naughty) that's why i moved to make animations on youtube.
Been a scratcher for 3 years. I've also realized that my projects comepletely get NO views at all. And I'm slowly losing hope on succeeding and about to retire. And besides, popular content in Scratch is just repetitive, no space for ACTUAL unique and good games, which makes me realize the sad truth, imagine the new Scratchers every day exited to be popular, only to realize that they'll be overshadowed by the repetitive content
I guess I'm better off writing stories
@@Ashvextient good luck on your stories. what kind are they?
@@Ashvextient yeah,
@@JacksonAcademy1 Oh thanks. Just some fiction
Might also move on to Javascript or Lua
I still think that Scratch is the best programming language ever
are you joking?
@@Hramzhuk no -_-
@@Hramzhuk bro speak english☠️🙏🏿
@@GreenBaldloon why did you type this comment then?
@@Hramzhuk cuz it think scartch is better wth do you mean
4:20 nah bro tiktok is fr already controlled by 6 year olds
grow up lol tiktok isnt that bad and its better than yt shorts at least
@@blueguytutorial their both bad bro fym
@@blueguytutorialsaid by a TikToker
@@petergriffin6002roblocks tiktok is better and for normal people at least
@@blueguytutorial they're both terrible
Scratch made me angry and sad at the same time by banning my account 2 months ago
I literally once got banned for 3 days because I had a water gun in my game 🗿
Add a weapon called duck blaster in afterblast that has mor knockback than other weapons
its because everyone is moving to Turbowarp, Penguinmod, Gandi, etc. the limits are removed, and more capabilities are added. since tw and pm are partially compatable and all tw extensions work in pm, you can do mostly anything in either of them.
However, Scratch is the only place that you can participate in remix chains 🤔
you're really going to choose a terrible website over a good one because of remix chains 🗿🗿🗿
@@JacksonAcademy1 my man have you ever even looked at the fight collab community
or h-frictions
i hate 'remix culture' omfg i dont like how the scratch team says oh remixes are good for learning or wtv no they are not its just used to pump out sh*tty projects fast
@@donutstudios6353 yeah remixes can be annoying but if used correctly can be great
So now you're saying that scratch is dying because it is to limited and you can't get much of it with it's moderation system, but guess what, this is the point of scratch! Not trying to be mean or act like an average scratch forum nerd, but you can just use another engine other than scratch if you don't like the limitations. And yes, scratch team is not the best at moderation, and their not really good at making things clear, but Scratch is a kids' website, can you name a kids website with good moderation? I don't mean that Scratch moderation is great, but it's acceptable for a small and basic children website, and not to mention that there are thousands of projects created everday on scratch, and scratch team have less than 200 moderators, you really cant expect much out of it..
Please stop shaming scratch for not doing every single thing perfectly, just switch if you hate scratch or get a job.
Again, not trying to be mean, just my opinion
Scratch learned us to walk so that we could learn how to run
This is the first scratch video I actually watched in over 2 years
They should make scratch 4.0 at this point
I started using Scratch in 2017. I had a sidescroller shooter game that I started working on in late 2018 and had worked on for 5 years (on and off in my free time). While previously the only thing holding the game back was my laziness and poor work ethic, I noticed something when I tried to start work on a new update for it.
Enemies, which utilize the clone feature to exist in larger numbers, could no longer detect projectile attacks (which I also did using the clone feature.) I tried just about everything to troubleshoot it, but due to some strange bug that I coudn't find any information on, this game was and is effectively broken. I didn't have trouble moving on from that and just starting work on new projects, but the fact that it happened made me realize just how flawed the engine is.
imagine if this entire video was made so sponsor gandi ide
Since it’s so basic that’s its charm so if scratch is changed it might loose the charm it’s built off of
The reasons why I left for long:
But also, I have returned for making a game just so I have some material for videos here...
Bro is to salty that he got banned from scratch.
Getting into gcses and Gandi's programming translations ( scratch blocks to python ) sounds absolutely perfect for someone like me. I'm really good at scratch and just need to learn the basics of other languages to utilise them to my full capabilities.
Dude, my cat could moderate better than the Scratch "Team" 💀
gande ide needs to be a new best block based programming language
I think this guy stole my rain and turned it into a video I agree with every SINGLE SOLITARY Fram of this Vid- No this is not a video, this is Cinema!
this video is an W, thats why i quit scratch a long time ago
The moderation and mass reporters are the main reasons i quit
like wtf why cant u make a gun animation with no blood
I mean being honest, scratch is very good, Its what brought many people to coding, and to be real, Gandi isn't really that much better, part of the reasons gandi doesn't have to worry about the same things scratch does is that it doesn't have as big a userbase. This video is close to being fraud, use scratch, enjoy it. Gandi is just scratch with a couple of fancy addons, Some times simpler is better. "Sometimes Restrictions are what makes things shine" - someone I don't know
^ This comment 1,000%. One more thing to add: the guy in the vid does NOT understand at all that Scratch is meant to teach kids programming fundamentals; that has been its goal since the beginning. Also Turbowarp is literally right there so why don't he use that instead of whine and complain lmao
Jackson got banned from scratch so he just got mad and cherry picked examples of why it sucks
@@DragonAero that's what i said in the video. 🤦♂
"Scratch is good for beginners, but once you want to expand, you need extensions like turbowarp or gandi ide"
@@JacksonAcademy1 you don't need to use scratch after you expand bro, just use python, or javascript 💀
"Scratch is not designed at all for professional level games"
I hope you understand that Scratch was meant to teach kids the basics of programming since the beginning.
If you really want to make a professional game on Scratch, use a Scratch mod like Turbowarp or something
"Scratch also favors generic and simplistic games"
It's not an issue with Scratch, it's an issue with the community. The community (mostly children) prefer generic and simplistic games, so the trending algorithm pushes them to the front page. I'm not saying that's a good thing; I'm just explaining why Scratch's Trending page favors those games.
Does not negate the fact that scratch is dying but ok
@@Sunrymoon Look at Scratch's statistics page (found in the site's footer). Then observe the graphs for monthly active trends, monthly active users, monthly project shares, and monthly comment activity.
Notice how all of those graphs are steadily increasing and have been since 2014? That completely disproves your "fact" that Scratch is dying. Do your research next time.
@@DragonAero at what point did I say that scratch is dying? Posted my original comment because yours stood out as it was in no case disproving that scratch was dying,you saw and immediately jumped to the conclusion that I said scratch is dying,I guess that's understandable but still this isn't what I meant at all
that's what i said in the video. 🤦♂
"Scratch is good for beginners, but once you want to expand, you need extensions like turbowarp or gandi ide"
I'd like to tell this dragon aero to do his research or at least watch the video first lol
from my experience of the past year, scratch moderation is reaching roblox levels, recently i got a warning for 'spamming' just because someone spam reported my comment
tbh, i think theres an entire other side of the issue when it comes to animations as well.
0:58 its there for a reason. People used to crash peoples browsers when not pcs with clones.
2:29 yeah but the penguinmod server has been down for like 6 months
Pretty much the reason why some advanced learners still use scratch is the community. You can get much more free exposure on Scratch (still wondering why I spent nearly 10 hrs to make an atom simulator and it got less views than decorating a Christmas tree)
the only reason I stay on scratch is because of the social media aspect and the mini-communities on the site that prioritize a single game or something.
The song at the start makes it hit so different
happily im on offline scratch but that means no multiplayer. too be honest scratch is now scratchyourwayoutofthiswebsite because OH GOD LOOK AT THAT TURBOWARPING RED T LOGO!!! To be honest im sure the scratch mods are gonna have mascots and be way more popular after scratch explodes and dies.
if scratch added options to remove clone limits and change fps and change screen stuff and things like that (and add previous costume block) it would be so much better
hi im the ip banned girl again, i watched this and thought about it this time. i think they deactivated they auto mod onto popular creators, and that to the people like me that had like 2 followers, it was more strict due to scratch maybeeee not knowing its users and so throwing random AI bans.
it has been now 7 months since my last appeal attempt, im gonna try again later in the following days, wish me luck with their horrendous Staff, or maybe bots i dont know anymore.
Yep, moving on is just what I did. I was CaptainTater on that site and made a few projects. Now I make Sm64 Coop mods.
I stopped using Scratch in 2021 once i noticed how powerful and overall better Turbowarp really was and Scratch just faded into obscurity once i also discovered Penguinmod and how good it was.
Scratch banning me for a 3-4 days and then unban me only to permanently ban me 3-4 more days later for the same reason was a traumatic experience for me. Especially with the Hacking incident that happened
alternate title: Gande IDE advertisement
nu uh i also tell people they can use turbowarp, penguinmod, unity, godot, or unreal engine
I am not waiting 4 YEARS to use a modification of a programming language bro
Or, it's just because you've gotten older.
have you tried using unity without copying other people's scripts?
I learned scratch since I was a kid, and now scratch is starting to itch itself...
Me and my friends used to use scratch and for a while I forgot about it and left the community because I moved to a different place, I have now forgotten my password but I still look at the old scratch and old me and I wish scratch would be as forgiving and more interactive as it used to be but all good things come to an end eventually.
There's also stuff like being unable to nest arrays or declare variables in the middle of a function.
I found Scratch from school and as I love making game, I join it thus I took project very seriously. I stopped using it after version 3.
I used Scratch for 2 years. And it was fun. But I never got following for making projects with hard work. I wanted to make games which were different and cool, but they never got enough following as the generic projects. So, I left. Maybe I would return, or maybe not. But thank you for reminding about Gandi IDE, I would use it now :)
Honestly after this I think I'm going to start using Gand IDE, but I'll still use Scratch as well and most likely more. The only thing keeping me there is a super wholesome Kirby fanbase I found there and I just can't leave that fanbase.
I really hope scratch doesn't die... =[
Uhh, I dont think Scratch has even been "Alive"
2:50 I love that Minecraft game, it’s so good! You are right, though, Scratch is cooked. I sometimes use Scratch, and I haven’t seen much activity in studios that I’m part of. No one I know likes Scratch anymore, and there are a bunch of inactive accounts and accounts that aren’t used anymore on there. Scratch would need a HUGE update to get back on track, so I’m sorry to say this, but Scratch might be done for. 😢
4:59 I WANT GANDI SO BAD NOW! 😍
you making me switch to gandi btw best decision ive made
Im going to admit. I havent made a base scratch project in a while. I dont really like ghandi too much. Just some shady practices with extension devs for turbowarp. But i think turbowarp is a good alternative not just for removing some of the limits but for adding new features.
Scratch hasn't been updated for TOO LONG and the Scratch team has rejected TOO MANY ideas that are actually helpful for expanding or even simplifying Scratch. A standard example is the ridiculous discussion regarding the () ^ () block...
"Bro's late, everyone is already born" -very wise animator