My Favorite Opening... Destroyed.
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Towards the end of the game, it became quite clear my opponent was using engine assistance :(
An interesting game nonetheless!
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International Master Rosen vs. Stockfish 8
Cheng Zhou the Younger I wouldn‘t be so sure about that....
It might‘ve been Stockfish 9 :)
PianoChess 1 99% 8
EXACTLY!
using engine assistance in chess is like shooting your wrestling opponent.
Funny comment
Using a chess engine can be good for both players.
@@alexandredeboni6040 If they both agree to it
seheyt ur probably right but i think comparing this to shooting ur wrestling opponent is a bit off.
@@alexandredeboni6040 I honestly don't. What's up with you? Isn't shooting your wrestling opponent overpowering and cheating? Isn't using a chess engine overpowering and cheating? Yes. And this is what he meant by his comment. No other context or interpretation on your part, only his
He played 0 inaccuracies, 0 mistakes and obviously 0 blunders. I mean, for an 1800 he plays pretty perfectly. Almost as if he's an engine...
Yeah, that's the way stockfish would play. What a funny coincidence.
stockfish and engines don't always play a perfect game. It can be installed in the application to intentionally make mistakes.
yeah i am also thinking about the game right form the start eric sir becasue it is not easy to compelety equalize i n london system for a human until he is worl top 20
Эрик нарушил много дебютных принципов и получил проблемы. В Лондоне довольно не сложно уравнять, ибо просто 1. D4 D5 2. Bf4 Bf5!?= На перехват можно попробовать 2. ... C5!? ,но 3. E4!
Well i mean he could have been cheating but the games I've played perfectly i could count on one hand. So theoretically it's possible. But he did get banned. Probably because he was playing many other games too well
d3 is coming... my queen is out of play... I *love* pistachios.
😂
16:08
s6th - I came looking for this exact comment 😂
I read this at the exact same time he said it lol
what"s funny in that? He's just replying to a question
As Ben Finegold would say: "very suspicious!" this guy with perfect play and deep calculation needed 12 seconds to "see" mate in 1?!! (30... Qe3 31.Rc1 12" later Qd3#)
Man, you need to unselect the option "Engine users only" when playing online.
Lol :))))))) You made my day!!!! :))))))
Even though opponent was software it’s still an interesting game, showing the value of open lines, pins, sacrifices, 3 powerful central pawns. My London usually gets destroyed by humans never mind Stockfish.
Surprised I found you on a chess vid, lol. Love your vids.
Hindsight is great. I didn't like 10 Qb1, perhaps a castle would of been better. After he played 10.. h6, he blocked the kingside attack in many ways. H6 and later f6 were such beautiful little moves for many reasons. I am going to play some variations through Stockfish to see what else I can learn, thanks for posting the game.
@@goomymaster6417 Same thing fam,
Stockfish played very well!
True! Stockfish should consider competing sometime.
Diamond Bolt I’ve been seeing them everywhere! Wonder why they’ve never shown their face when they’re so brilliant
So sad. I love Eric and his teaching. It would be a thrill to play him. I’m following this game with Stockfish on my iPhone. The opponent and my little app are making the exact same moves. Eric is dead lost after 22...d3. Stockfish has Black at +16 pawns! And this 1800 guy only spent 3 1/2 minutes to play perfect chess and crush an IM. I got a Brooklyn bridge in NYC to sell if anyone is interested.
May I ask what does this saying mean? "I got a Brooklyn bridge in NYC to sell if anyone is interested." I am interested :))
@@pk-fi1ok If you don't know already it means "This is unbelievable bullshit and here's some more" ;)
@@davidrobertson1980 yeah. Might also refer to the people's answer to the offer being "I'm not buying it" as in "I don't believe him"
he got banned for cheating
That account was new. Hell probb just make a new account 🙄 during the stream I reported him and check his games. 🤔🤷♂️
@@cristhianmorales9175 But you know, what is it good for at all? I mean, you get banned, you create new account, you get banned etc...? You ruin your learning process and in the real world a chess kiddie will beat you... I guess they must be some unhappy people, these cheaters...
@@pk-fi1ok I'm not defending him lol. They really only cheat themselves...
Persons who get caught cheating need to have their IP addresses permanently blocked. If this happened, you'd see cheating decline dramatically.
@@profd65 proxy ips are a thing
That moment when International Master wants to call out an 1800 rated player for clearly using an engine... but then has too much class....@28:50
I was super impressed that a player without a title was playing such a deep line but some of the moves just scream "cheating".
That stupid nickname too, LOL
The last mating sequence for sure... lol
2:00 *turns on engine*
Exactly what I thought
@@zakardolsey6615 me too
100 % guaranteed
Or, it's just his plastic water bottle that he just put on the table...
Amazing how this guy still needs a solid five seconds a move to think even after he wins the queens
He is waiting for engine calculation before playing
Engine use is endemic in any time controls above 3 minute blitz. It is depressing to see such widespread lack of integrity.
That's why I try and friend people I play that aren't cheating
Not only that.... but how is it fuuuuun???
Part of the issue is he’s being matched with top players and all the best are using engines cuz of course they are
@@kylepatrickmccrary2781 Ego, brittle little egos that need a fix.
@@dougveganparadisebuilder5808 Ah, yes. The root of much evil.
Literally watched this video today, then played my third-ever classical game on LiChess (I usually play Blitz & Rapid) and had THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPEN TO ME! We played a Ruy Lopez - Exchange. He didn't see a tactic and went down a Knight for a pawn in the opening. Then halfway through the middlegame started going offline during EVERY SINGLE one of his moves (never during my move). I asked: "Why do you keep disconnecting?". He said, "Sorry, ma English bad. Bad internet here.". His latency was green the whole game. Kept doing it after grinding out of a lost position in to a slightly better position, so I asked again: "Why do you keep disconnecting ONLY during your turns?". He changed is mind now and said: "Sorry, chatting to a friend on another screen.". Eventually he mated me. I analysed the game afterward and from the precise moment he started going offline, EVERY SINGLE move was Line 1 of Stockfish with 0 inaccuracies, 0 mistakes and 0 blunders. I said: "Your moves are suddenly quite suspicious so I am lodging this game with the moderators". He quickly turned quite aggressive in chat, so I left.
Did he get banned ??
so any explanation why cheaters go off and on?
@@sithi96 if they're on mobile, switching to another app would do it
5:10 you tried to play g2-f4
yes, which is actually an illegal move, lol...:)
(a knight-like move...:))
Only GMs can play this move
Stoner move
"This is a line where... I learned it, I luh-... I only discovered it a beer or two ago." - Eric Rosen, 1:25
Kevin Kelly I believe he said year or two ago
@@blahblah9707 It sounds a lot like beer though xD
with his friends at the bar or the library
7:37 Famous last words
The poor connection showing was a hack patched into lichess. It makes it seem like he has a bad connection but really, there is no disconnect going on. Whenever you come across this where a player disconnects frequently in a game, it's that they are running the engine in the background. Just report them as they happen, ran into one the other day.
Not necessarily. I temporarily d/c on lichess quite often for the obvious reason. Don't jump to broad conclusions would be my advice, though in this case it seems prorated had some special help.
Why wouldn‘t they just open lichess analysesis tool on another browser?
rated 900 rapid, plays every top move in classical..seems legit, at least you got to train some weaknesses in your favorite opening! :)
At least these guys serve as a material for development of exposing cheaters, lol :)
You can see him disconnecting and then reconnecting very often before each move. Just using an engine and then reconnecting. Trying not to get caught that way
Very sad. I think that young people don't learn moral values anymore (I just found out that my 11-years old son's teacher curses in front of the class, using the name 'God' in a disrespectful way - and even though I'm not specifically 'old school religious', I find this pretty worrying). Just saying...
Ronald VL I fail to see the correlation between god and cheating.
@@AceShoot It's about respect (and teaching children to be respectful). Cheating is obviously just an example of being disrespectful. Cursing is another one. If we demonstrate dis-respectfulness to our kids, we should not be surprised when they grow up to be disrespectful people (in general). For many people 'God' is very real and one should respect this. Of course this view is not shared by the younger generation, but this shouldn't be a card blanche to be disrespectful towards (in front of) others...
@@ronaldvl636 I agree Ronald :) All you have to do is to give your life to Jesus and you'll be fine :)
@@ronaldvl636 You were talking about morality in the first comment; being disrespectful and being immoral are two very different things. Cursing is not immoral.
yh eric the Master London System player he is (no the Best in the world but Super strong london system player) managed to make
3 inaccuracies
6 mistakes
hes rated a 2000 elo (pretty high)
the other player 1800 elo player
made
0 inaccuracies
0 mistakes
the math just dosent add up
Major Pain It isn’t Leo lichess uses glicko-2 rating system
His Smile and Optimism: Gone.
5:25 you were trying to put the g pawn on f4
I had a guy keep disconnecting during a classical game before. He would always move right after coming back, and so I checked the game against stockfish and what do you know 🤷♂️ his moves were all engine moves. I figured he was moving between tabs to use his engine.
Builderjunkie 012 Sometimes during a long game I like to tab out and look at Instagram or something, it’d doesn’t always mean they’re cheating.
@@toesdoeswhoknows704 yeah but if you go to another tab you forget about the game, going offline and coming back with the perfect move is the perfect sign of cheating. Unless you're a FM or higher and you memorize the board and you are so sure about your calculations that you don't even check the board after being offline. Kind of unlikely if you ask me
@@diegeigergarnele7975 No there’s a sound when the game comes back and it isn’t hard to remember the position, you don’t have to remember everything completely but you remember your calculations and plans beforehand. Let’s say I play a move and I calculate all I need to know I just tab out and wait for the sound
Strong players playing against engines = Always exciting games.
It really shows you, though, how weak humans are at chess, compared to computers.
Magnus Carlsen can demolish any human in the world, but against even a weak computer he would be crushed like a patzer.
@@SaintD382 If a human would take the time to calculate all possibilities he could probably play even with a computer, don't you think? He would just be much, much slower.
@@cimadev you should probably see alphazero play, not a chess engine but still. No human can play such perfect chess even if given a lifetime.
"d3 is coming, my queen is out of play... I love pistachios!"
Anybody noticed how that grey dot pranked Eric at 2:03 ? :D
yeah that was sad lol
I love how this guy says there is no reason to castle and like 6 moves later the king is in the middle of the board staring down an army of pawns with reinforcements coming
What would you play i that position?
Probably castling was good enough then.
Casting is delayed in the london because in many middlegame positions white gets a strong kingside attack and the rook is much better on h1 rather than f1.
against a human it was a smart move. against a knight sac that is predicting an advantage from it 20 moves later... maybe not. but that's no human.
If had left his queen on d1 and attacked f4 he would have prevailed. The diagonal attack on h7 was useless.
Bobby Fischer - “I like the moment I break a man’s fAvOrItE oPeNiNg.”
Using stockfish
16:20 "Sad moves" the title of my new trap mixtape about chess and depression
Chess in 2020 be like
Hiding your Queen in the corner and moving your king into the center. I think you got them the wrong way around Eric! Nevertheless it would be difficult to survive against such strong play from black :)
Black cheated
@Joshua Lavender regardless of what he was going to play hed lost
That's the reason I would never play 20 min chess online. Those "disconnections" were very suspicious.
The length of time is irrelevant. Cheating in short time controls is as easy as in the longer time controls. Playing only against people you know. No other way. Even in "credible" tournaments with FIDE rated players only there's an enormous amount of cheaters...
@@insanetester1015 ICC has 1 minute and 3 minute rated, if you disconnect you lose. They can also detect through Bliztin software if you are botting. It isn't as flashy as other sites but you get honest games there.
I think I get more out of listeneing to the thought process during the games than anything else... it's really impressive
I learned the london BECAUSE of your vids, i win 100 points in 2 days, but now i losse because i try variations. But it still very good stuff
Trying new things can lead to short term loss but long term gains... just be patient and persistent, and enjoy the learning process.
5:06 my favorite part.
Disconnect for 10 secs then go back and play a crushing move... Very legit
2:01 -- "did he leave?"... "I am so colour blind..." hehe!
Btw, love your narration. I could listen all day!
4:06 mouse gets big like big style holy shoot
I mean I've used an engine to "cheat" against my CPU opponent on a Chess app. Not playing humans. I only did this to try and see first hand how a powerful engine plays and perhaps learn from it. The idea of using it in these rated long or short format games against another human is just cowardly. What does one gain by this? Feeling all warm and fuzzy knowing you've completely wasted about persons time while accomplishing nothing for yourself except being an ass hole? I hate cheaters. Also cheating is almost an understatement. Steroids are cheating. Engine use is just a perfect form of a guaranteed win cheat.
Could not have been said better
I still believe it is the waste only for the cheater. If you play fair, you will learn from such a tough game. The other side of the board would just practice ctrl+c ctrl+v skill :)
pk11 LOlo
Just take your damm loss as a learning experience. And up your game.
Your favourite world athletes take steroids
5:10 your reaction gave me an huge smile :D
5:08 😂😂😂 obviously illegal move bro
HAHA!!
Beeing on and offline again and again happens to me everytime I travel with the train - daily.
Cheaters piss me off
That is the reason they were born! :)))
pk11 I myself am not insanely good so sometimes cheaters can help me get better. Yeah it's there duty to piss people off.
Eric was hoping so bad the opponent would get disconnected
The black player cheated. Every move was perfect and pretty much instant.
kian soudagar being racist now, just because he is black he is cheating huh
Slimjim L shut up
You are the best sleeping streamer eric. Thanks to you. Never screams never stupid childish noisy acts. Just exelant. Greetings from turkey.
13:30 only 170 years after slavery ends, the truth comes out! Lol
Jack Alexander l000000l Cx he said it TriHard
Even if Black hadn't been using a computer, it seems to me Eric would still have been asking for trouble with *11.f4?!*
The king is still in the center, and White weakens the e3-square at a time when it's easy for Black to attack and not easy for White to defend.
going off line while he enters the next moves...hmmm stockfish is good!
At 11:05 he mucks up with the knight, getting it trapped. I doubt an engine would do that or would deliberately play for e3. Taking e3 is the natural move as you’re going to lose the knight anyway. I think he just got lucky with the centre pawns, though his endgame was pretty impressive.
if you search him up on lichess you can see that he was indeed using an engine
my favorite chess moment? when u crush ur enemy without thinking - stockfish 9
0 mistakes + 0 inaccuracies = Engine
Bb5 oh oh staying alive! Oh oh staying alive!
15:24 b4 b5 is interesting here, kicking the knight, going for the e5 pawn, bxd4 soon after, although i haven't analyzed it too thoroughly
I feel like he should have taken that knight of c6 early in the game the bishop was jammed up a little bit and that knight was killing him in protecting those pawns
At the end, I believe Qc4 was also mate in 2. But still very instructive game!
Qc4 is met with Rc1, no?
Qb1 was a blunder. His position would have been rock solid if he went f4 with his queen on d1.
Rosen is using my chess lines, maybe he won't see my blunder.
If this is your favorite opening, then you should have your variations memorized, Eric. lol London System players seem to think that the opening plays itself, but the move order is critical in each variation. Also, attacking on the kingside isn't always the best plan. For example, 5. Bg3 is not the best move in this variation, according to Stockfish (possibly because a kingside attack is not warranted). 10. Qb1 is an inaccuracy. The threat on the h7 pawn, after Qb1, can be stopped by g6 or h6. The queen also blocks in your rook on a1. Better would have been Qf3 or 0-0. 13. Ke2 was the game-losing blunder though, due to f6. The best move there was actually Bf4, although it looks dangerous. 13. Bf4 g5 14. h3 would have been fine for white. After 13. Ke2 f6, if you prevent the black queen and rook from coming in, then you allow the pawns to advance and vice versa. Don't feel bad though, because your opponent was using a computer to make his moves. Most of his moves matched Stockfish's #1 choices. An 1800 human player doesn't play like this.
Plot twist, the opponent kept disconnecting because he was clicking a new window and plugging the moves into a software
Hahaha :D I know this is a bit sadistic, but I'm just gonna pretend that this TopRated is Karjakin in disguise and he just kicked your ass and it was fun watching because most of the time u r the one kicking ass xD
Is it that Sadistic?
This is really suspicious of cheating. See at the end? He made zero innaccuracies, zero mistakes and zero blunders. That's absurd.
He's already banned. I reported him:)
I have a pet line that ends on around move 25 with a bishop sac on h6 and then mate 2 moves later. Black plays reasonable locking moves until its too late. The computer evaluates my game with 0 0 0 errors. I'm not even that good so I'm sure it happens with stronger players quite often. I will bet money that Eric has at least 50 games on lichess with 0 0 0 errors.
@@TeSp00kie1 no man. That's a miniature you memorized, that's reasonable. This is a long full game, no one memorizes so many computer moves. If Ivanchuk can miss a mate in 1, an 1800 player cannot be perfect
AWESOME ALPHAZERO good job!
And yet it took him like 12 seconds to spot mate in one :)
Oh no, my opening
ma man spent 10 secs to think about mate in 1 LOL
Ancestors taught us always castle as soon as possible...
He was probably disconnecting when turning on his engine... this is how he thought they would catch him...
5:07 that's the g pawn lol
That move where things go down hill can not be played by your everyday Tom with no title around his nick..
4:06 What is up with the mouse? Lol.
1800 lichess playing and holding a crushing positional sacrifice :/ more than a bit suspicious. Still an instructive game I guess, those black pawns were monstrous. Really demonstrates the power of controlling the centre.
5:15 you grabbed the g2 pawn and tried to move it to f4.
Just after the opponent played pawn to c5 I was quite suspicious... N it was clear from then onwards when every move is made it's just precise engine moves.. I played the London opening in my pc against the computer n saw similar moves as in this game.. n ended up losing..
That was hard to watch, mate. Hurt my soul a bit!
I don't know why but my eyes roll again and again upon your nose every time you speak, it's getting ready to take you off 😂😂
Not buying the knight sac followed by f6 from the opponent.
I like drunk Eric.
was he watching your stream? lmaooo
also, the mysterious vanishing pawn was a misclick. gg
this may be 2 years late but at 5:19 you were trying to push f4 with the g2 pawn XD
Eric, there isn’t a way to stop 7...Ba6, but you can play 8. Nc6! and pick up the Bishop pair. I’ve found that trick works well for me :)
12:41 Black's centre looks so beautiful
Around the 26 min mark you opt to sacrifice your knight however queen to e3 was better. The pawn on g2 is a trap that you didnt see obviously. Cuz if he takes you move your rook to g1 thus trapping the queen.
I would say that in opening playing Nf3, Ne5 over Bd3 is inaccuracy, because after b6 you dont want to play Ne5. Better plan is just push e4 to respond his weakening of light squares. Or atleast its in my opening therory this way. Well not saying it would help against bot tho. Never mind keep up good work.
Then you brake the basic rule of the london system: keep play boring :)) (Ahoj z Čech!)
London can be a very agressive opening if one chooses to play it that way. Its one of the openings where the greek gift actually works very well. There are far more boring openings than the london.
I own Eric Rosen's course on the London System, and quite like the obvious conclusion here that it is only refuted against AI :)
Btw, the engine doesn't see 16 Qg1, but views it as quite an improvement for White, once it is played.
Thats why he was "gone" now and then - checking the engine ...
Greetings and big thanks for Your chess work from Norway.
First ten moves is stockfish move in king's indian defense. It's stockfish favorite opening.
I wonder if they'd let me enter the MMA with a bulldozer with lawnmower attachments . . .
Maybe just with a flamethrower :D
You took and got a poisonous and useless Knight then your opponent got three monster pawns to attack you, and finally you gave a knight back and lose…
TOPRATED was marked on lichesss "This account violated the Lichess Terms of Service" Hasn't played in two years - undoubtedly changed his handle and is just cheating under a different name. EVERY move from 12...Ng4! to 30...Qd3# was an engine first choice (Komodo, DeepFritz, FatFritz, Houdini, Rybka, New Engine, Stockfish, etc). Eric was right about 13.Ke2 being too optimistic (he could have played 13.Bf4 after all, then if ...g5 14.h3 and White is fine). But who counts on playing against an engine?
This was an engine
You tried moving the pawn on the G file like a knight! 😆
At 24:40, Eric scrolls over the username, and you see the guys other ratings... sub-1000 provisional in rapid and blitz. This guy has no actual chess skill.
When he first pushes d3 (@23:06 lets say) what of queen e3 and after pawn d4 take on e4 with queen? Then he either queen trades or moves the queen back to h5 and you can exchange rook for bishop on f8
Edit: never mind rook e8 is a pin
i looked up TOPRATED:
This player uses chess computer assistance
Time spent playing: 10 hours and 56 minutes
Goes offline to check engine
the negativity of eric was frustrating. just fight back you bastard, you still have a chance
Btw Eric, I believe if you tab out of lichess during a game you will appear to be offline. Then when your opponent makes a move you will be notified and can go back to the game fairly easily.
Well it is possible and I trust lichess uses this (javascript) method to do that. Then you must be very stupid* not to running the engine in a different browser or desktop. He did not "disappear" between every movethough, so... I don't know.
* what these people usually are (very stupid), lol..:)
Not to mention the guy is rated 900 in rapid and blitz