Nothing beats a cool looking wheelgun for that bad ass look. And the python is an EXCELLENT choice. Especially the 6 inch barrel steel model ala Rick Grimes. But for a good 1 to 1 comparison of what would be considered the modern equivalent to something like the colt single action, it would have to be the good ol Glock 19. If you think about how they compare period to period it's the perfect comparison. The colt was easy to use, light, accurate, reliable and cheap/widely available. All things that make Glock, and made Colt at the time, the most popular handgun maker in the world. I personally carry a sig sauer p365xl, and before that a walther pps, but prior to those two..... it was the good ol Glock 19 9mm. It's not the prettiest/coolest/most intimidating gun and doesn't do much for a character on screen. But, it is undoubtably one of the finest modern handguns ever conceived from purely form and function standpoint. And imo it's the best contender for the colt SAA of our modern world. But I completely agree with you. If I was writing a hardboiled detective/western homage I would certainly give my lead something far more interesting. Maybe a stainless smith and wesson 1006 in 10mm, a python (great choice btw. I actually own a 4 inch blued model that I traded a motorcycle for), or a newer, understated but tricked out competition ready double stack 1911 like a nighthawk customs thunder ranch combat.. One of my favorite movie guns was Arnold's Automag in the 1980's movie Red Heat. That thing was so cool as a kid. A good gun can add a lot to a character for sure. Especially if you are a gun guy.....
@@jayn8392 very good points. A lot of ppl have trouble envisioning a cowboy with a Glock, but the fact of the matter is had they been available at the time, hell yeah they’d have carried them for every reason you mentioned.
@@DIRTYdeeds613 .30 carbine isn’t going to reach out and touch over hundreds of yards. Needs to be a .308 or .30-06. If it has to be a lever make it a .45-70 but it has shortcomings
It's so hard for me to see a 1911 as a western gun, it's been so ingrained in my head as a noir/gangster gun or as a soldier's gun in either world war.
I suppose it depends on the style. One with walnut or rosewood grips and nickel or stainless in a leather holster for me gives off a western vibe. I can definitely see it before I see a Glock. So chintzy. Though yes if they had been available at the time cowboys would likely have carried Glocks, they always kept up with technology. They knew if they didn’t they’d be scalped/hanged/shot.
I'm somewhat at a loss with this channel , as I can't tell to what extent it's about Hollywood , and what extent real life . But yes , in real world there were early adopters of 1911 , even overlapping with horses . But major glaring omission ! Double Action Revolvers of all types ! Let's see some Colt New Service ,and Smith & Wesson .44 Hand Ejector .44 Specials.
Walt's M1911 with Stag Grips was the exact reason I bought one - and of course - had to get the Stag grips from the same company who made his for the show. Don't regret it at all. Currently mounted under my desk, definitely too heavy for concealed carry, but man what a fantastic, rugged, Western looking, but modern gun.
A minor note, Bohannon's revolver was an colt 1861, not an 1860. Really the only difference between the two was the frame size and caliber. And that replica cap and ball you had at the end was a Remington 1858, not a colt
@@johnandrewserranogarcia7223 In the pilot episode, the foreman Johnson specifically called it a griswold, which were based on the 1851 Navy and therefore were chambered in 36 cal. Anson Mount may have carried an 1860 for filming, but Cullen Bohannon did not. Besides, why would a proud confederate soldier carry a union weapon?
@@brownleelogan1, He did in fact carry a griswold in the first episode of filming but then later switched guns (actually in seasons 3 to 5 he switches again for the Remington 1858 New Army). "why would a proud confederate soldier carry a union weapon", the griswold was an unpatented/unlicensed copy of a colt gun made by Griswold and his slaves in the time that they had no access to northern manufacturing, the Colt wasn't a "union" weapon it was an american weapon which was available to southerners both before and after the war (just not during the war, they could always loot one though). I don't know how much of the show you watched but he wasn't a "proud confederate", he was clearly anti slavery but fought for his state because he was an anti federalist and on multiple times he helps former union soldiers.
@@johnaserrano-garcia5797 "clearly anti-slavery" despite the fact he never freed his slaves and only said he did to score points with the black workers and whatever former union soldiers worked at the railroad. Not to mention he constantly talked about how often the him and his fellow confederates beat union troops with superior numbers and material. And yes while it's true that Colt the brand wasn't exclusive to the Union, the 1860 was what the union issued, not the confederacy. Yes he helped union soldiers on occasion, but not willingly, he had to be told to, and he never cooperated well with them. And remind me, what was his initial goal during the first season? Something about hunting down the Union unit that murdered his family? Tell me, how much of the show did you watch? Cause I watched it all the way through twice.
@@brownleelogan1, you're not very good at reading so I'll break down my response into separate segments so you won't get confused. "'clearly anti-slavery' despite the fact he never freed his slaves and only said he did to score points with the black workers and whatever former union soldiers worked at the railroad." He did free the slaves before the war and nowhere in the show does it show otherwise. you'd have mentioned which episode proved otherwise if it existed. Actually the first person he told was a union soldier that was more racist than he was (Foreman Daniel Johnson only hired Bohannon because he wanted former slave owners to keep the workers in line), the second person he told was the church pastor not the railroad workers. "Not to mention he constantly talked about how often the him and his fellow confederates beat union troops with superior numbers and material." True he bragged his unit was tougher than his opponents, that has nothing to do with slavery though. "And yes while it's true that Colt the brand wasn't exclusive to the Union, the 1860 was what the union issued, not the confederacy." I never said the 1860 was issued to him, he very easily could have acquired the weapon after the war. What I had said and will now repeat that in episode 1 he used a griswold and in episode 2 onward he ditched the griswold and got an 1860. He actually used a remington 1858 navy in seasons 3, 4 and 5 so we know he did switch weapons multiple times throughout the show. "what was his initial goal during the first season? Something about hunting down the Union unit that murdered his family?" yes he was hunting down the soldiers WHO KILLED HIS FAMILY. not all the union soldiers. "Yes he helped union soldiers on occasion, but not willingly, he had to be told to, and he never cooperated well with them." After he got his revenge he gave all men a fair chance. It was when they proved to be questionable people that he decided to dislike them. Here he is treating a former enemy with respect, ua-cam.com/video/Qouz05iKv0o/v-deo.html On the last episode of season 5 (episode 14) Bohannon was getting along with another union soldier until that soldier admitted to enjoyng the killing and abusing native americans, causing Bohannon's mood to sour only after he knew that fact. "I watched it all the way through twice." When you watch it a third time maybe pay attention to the show.
If it has to be a levergun make it a .45-70. .30-30 is inadequate in a plains environment where several hundred yard shots can be expected. To me the quintessential modern western longarm should be a woodstocked bolt action or primitive semi auto. An army 1917 eddystone rifle, a pre 1964 model 70 in .30-06, or even a Mauser or Nagant could pull it off. If semi auto, a Garand or walnut stock m1A is where it’s at. An AR just doesn’t cut it for this cowboy.
I'm super stoked to see that people are still commenting in here 9 months later. I wanted to add a few things, being the guy that supplied the firearms for this video. 1) Yes, I screwed up and brought the Remington cap and ball and didn't think about how it affected Kevin's script. That was addressed by a viewer on literally the day this video came out. Check out the description. 2) Despite that, I think the point of the video is not altered and the average, non-firearm enthusiast western viewer will get a lot out of this video and I'm sad that little bit of info has dominated the conversation. 3) As for some of the other criticisms, be careful not confuse opinion with fact. 4) Yes, it's a shorter (not short) barrel Colt 1911, but it's a Colt 1911 nonetheless. Specifically it's a Mk IV Series 80 Combat Commander. 4.25" barrel. The SAA is a simple Ruger Vaquero in 45 Long Colt. I think the Glock is clear. If you haven't tried the 19x, check it out, great carry firearm. Please let me know have any other questions about the firearms used in the video. Sorry again for the screw up, I still think Kevin made an incredible video.
I have a Pietta 1858 reproduction. It's the most beautiful gun ever made and perfectly balanced. Just throw it up and it's pointed right at the target. The old cap-and-balls, and the SSA were both made to be used one-handed off of horseback, so balance was a key design feature. It would have been worthwhile to show the loading process for cap-and-balls. To get around the long reload time, people would carry additional loaded cylinders. With some practice they can be swapped out in seconds.
Hi John, thanks for the comments! We actually did shoot the reloading sequence for the black powder, but chose not to use it because it just looked too haphazard in my unpracticed hands.
@@themodernwestern4681 When you have all four pistols in front of you for the final shooting scene the black powder gun with the top frame and the webbed loading lever, on your far left is a short barrelled copy of the Remington 1858. Hope this helps. All the best.
Damnation, you’re correct! My firearms advisor insists that he explained the difference to me on the day of the shoot, but since he’s not here to defend himself I blame him. I made a correction in the description and thanked you. Cheers!
Wait wait wait.... I love your channel but wait. Seth bullock used a Remington 1875 revolver of deadwood. While on tombstone doc Holliday used a colt 1873 but he also used a colt lighting. Hell on wheels used the Garrision. It's even quoted in the show. This is not to upset you but to just clarify. I love the channel and a Longmire vids is what brought me here. Keep up the good work. 👍
9:59 - Not a replica Colt. It's a replica of a 1858 Remington. A Colt wouldn't have a solid frame nor the web under the barrel. The grip frame for the Colt is also not integral to the main frame of the gun, but is screwed on to it. With the Remington, it's all one piece, with the trigger guard being separate, and made of brass.
I know I’m late, I don’t care, minor note. Bohannon did not use a Colt Navy, he actually used the Griswold and Gunnison revolver you mentioned. Now the shows consistency of depicting him with the actual gun itself is questionable, but that was what he was supposed to be using as called out by the union solider he was hunting down in the first episode of the series
Walt needed to learn to carry his 1911 cocked and locked. I blame the Directors that love to show a hammer being cocked or a slide racked for that silliness.
That’s true John, another thing I thought was an error was when his rifle fell over in his bedroom and went off. Walt would have never let that happen.
Yep. I'm a bit of a Robert Duvall fan myself. He carried another beast, an 1875 Remington, as Boss (Blue Bonnet) Spearman in Open Range. "Always liked me a sidearm with some heft. Took this off a man who couldn't pay all he owed on some cows. Damn fine weapon."
Actually I have shot all 3. I carried a 4 inch Nickel Colt Python in the late 80's as a deputy sheriff. I also carried a S+W 686 (stainless). The 686 was actually a better carry gun as it had a sturdier frame. Also if you shot too many magnum rounds out of the Python the cylinder would sometimes go out of alignment. The M1 is a great gun but a bit heavy and unwieldy to carry for law enforcement. I also have for an off duty carried a Colt 1911 Combat Commander. Great gun, accurate, and reliable.
I have lived firearms for 50 years I love the history and I spend too much time shooting em and cleaning em and working one em and handloading ammo for em so I can shoot even more. I probly take a dozen new people shooting every year it is always a great time. I do tend to like the older firearms with history to em. a 50 year old gun is modern to me.
It's not 'black powder' - it's 'cap and ball' for the 1860 Army and similar guns. ALL firearms prior to 1885 were black powder. The Colt Single Action Army was black powder, too, until the beginning of the 20th century, when Colt certified them for smokeless powder. The 1911 was a distant second place to double action revolvers in civilian use for sixty years after its introduction. It even took second place to Smith & Wesson and Colt 1917 revolvers in World War I production, and the M1 carbine was developed in World War II to supplant it as a more effective defensive weapon.
Hi Shawn, lots of interesting info here. I’d like to circle back at some point and do a more in-depth video specifically on the ‘cap and ball’ guns. Thanks for watching!
Fantastic topic of discussion. Although I know a lot of people will haze you over getting some guns wrong the point of the video holds true. The guns very much so are a character, for me, and as a writer I spend a lot, and I mean a LOT of time just deciding what guns are allowed in the story, even if its just a rifle over the fire. They say so much about their surroundings and the characters that own or use them. If Walt carried a Glock it simply wouldn't work. Sure, Walt could use one, but it spits in the face of his stubborn reliance on "old fashioned." And yet he won't go so far back as to use a largely inferior SAA (looking at you Lucian Connally, crazy old coot lol) so the 1911 answers the call on either end. Similarly if somehow the Lone Ranger got his hands on an early model "Colt 45" autoloader he'd alienate his place in the story by seemingly outmatching everyone, and the magic that came from him being potentially anyone would disappear, and he'd become easily identifiable due to leaving cases around or being the only one that bought that type of ammo. The weapon of the hero is so important, and you cannot deny it's influence on gun sales throughout the world
The best sidearm for a modern western protagonist has to be a tossup between a 1911 and a double action .357 with a 6” barrel. Flip a coin, you can’t go wrong with either.
The use of the Glock in Modern westerns to me has always rubbed me the wrong way. It's always just been too generic and bland. In the Wild West, you had maybe 4 large revolver companies, dozens of smaller producers, but all similarly working from the same revolver design with the most unique example I can think of being the Lemat revolver. In the modern era though, you have dozens of large handgun manufacturers and hundreds of smaller custom shops or craftsmen. It may seem like a small gripe, but I want to see some variety and unique weapons wielded in modern westerns. That's a large reason why I loved Longmire. True, he carried a Winchester 94 and Colt 1911 but they were distinctive. Walt's 1911 was worn with streaks in the finish from holster wear which isn't seen a lot in movies or shows. They had staghorn grips to show his connection and love of nature which is seen throughout the show. Even his Winchester 94 was distinctive and told alot about his personality. It showed in a world where everyone else carried modern tactical shotguns, semi-auto rifles, and pistols he choose a lever action. He choose a weapon that suited his style of policing. Something old fashioned, slower, methodical, and flexible in what it can do. The message isn't exactly subtle but it struck a cord with me since it showed more thought went into his arsenal than just getting a modern pistol or a six shooter and making them look pretty or generic. I love thought and logic behind decisions but that's just a personal opinion
I agree with carrying older guns but if it had to be a lever I’d have made it a .45-70. Much better on the plains would be a woodstocked bolt action, preferably in .30-06. Model 70, or a surplus .30-06 from world war 1. If it had to be semi auto, a Garand fits well. The most modern I’d go as far as longarms would be an m1A in walnut. Sidearms, they did good. A modern western hero can’t go wrong with a 1911 or a colt python.
@@Functionalfitness4360 what would be really unique choice would have been a Winchester 95 or Savage 99. Both are lever actions with box magazines that can use modern spitzer cartridges, both sell the western sheriff dropped in a modern world, and both are pretty unique to appear in movies or television
And even though he wasn't the main character, The Ferg's S&W model 29 was really a cool gun, too. Better than Vic's G19. But she came from Philly, so oh well.
@@BamaMTA04 agreed. Longmire is one of those shows that really shows how much the creators cared if you pay attention to the details. Things like Ferg driving a firebird and carrying the Smith and Wesson says a lot about his character. How he feels the need to overcompensate and show how masculine he is compared to Branch and Walt, especially when you consider his hobbies which seem to be perceived as less masculine
As we just don’t have hand guns in England (not legally) hard to comment. Did you know our Gun Laws don’t even allow shooting ( in a gun club as that’s about only place one can shoot) at a human shaped target!? I just don’t follow ...............!
@@themodernwestern4681 : Sure are! And of course only for the legal guys who won’t cause issues any way, criminals of course ignore them. By the way I didn’t mention that’s not regarding a handgun as we are not allowed any form of handgun at all. So I have only shot a hand gun for an hour when in Bulgaria 4 years ago. I rented a gun, a Glock, for an hour paid for ammunition by the 10 and that was that! In the EU all supposed to be the same..........?
Interesting. Let us go back to the blackpowder days. One reason for the short distances of shooting bad persons, was that the barrels were smooth-bore. No rifling. If you look at Eastwood's use in High PLains Drifter - he had multiple Loaded cylinders to accomplish the fast reload. Since you pointed to the Colt 73, have you looked at real examples. Same issue with smooth barrels. Real Colts, 40 yrs ago, were auctioning off for up to $50,000. Those with paperwork from Colt - $ above that. Single Action Semi-auto, Steel Frame - 9mm 38 Super - 45 Auto. Now - to use a Colt 1911 properly - will take years. At Least 2 - and that is only if your going to practice - Hours per week. Striker fired -plastic guns - never have a Soul. They remind me of Mattel toys of the 60's. It is a toy - Does not take much to learn how to make bang. I wish you more enjoyment in Shooting.
That so called Colt Army you're shooting, is actually a Remington. And how come you're only talking pistols, what about the rifles and shotguns carried by western heroes? Like Walt Longmire's Winchester 94 30-30, or Matthew Quigley's Sharps?
Total Fail. That is not a replica of a Colt 1860. It's a replica of a Remington. Lots of difference. Your description of the different guns was misleading too. Fake expert and it shows. Sorry.
Great subject material! Love me some guns! They really are a character in the western.
I have high hopes for this channel. The Justified episode made me subscribe.
Thanks Rusty!
Great stuff, Kevin. You put in a ton of work on these shows so I hope subs like me don't expect new ones too often. I miss my 1894 hex-barrel.
Thanks John! They do take some time...
A modern western protagonist I think is best armed with either a colt python or 1911 and M1 Garand
Nothing beats a cool looking wheelgun for that bad ass look. And the python is an EXCELLENT choice. Especially the 6 inch barrel steel model ala Rick Grimes. But for a good 1 to 1 comparison of what would be considered the modern equivalent to something like the colt single action, it would have to be the good ol Glock 19. If you think about how they compare period to period it's the perfect comparison. The colt was easy to use, light, accurate, reliable and cheap/widely available. All things that make Glock, and made Colt at the time, the most popular handgun maker in the world. I personally carry a sig sauer p365xl, and before that a walther pps, but prior to those two..... it was the good ol Glock 19 9mm. It's not the prettiest/coolest/most intimidating gun and doesn't do much for a character on screen. But, it is undoubtably one of the finest modern handguns ever conceived from purely form and function standpoint. And imo it's the best contender for the colt SAA of our modern world. But I completely agree with you. If I was writing a hardboiled detective/western homage I would certainly give my lead something far more interesting. Maybe a stainless smith and wesson 1006 in 10mm, a python (great choice btw. I actually own a 4 inch blued model that I traded a motorcycle for), or a newer, understated but tricked out competition ready double stack 1911 like a nighthawk customs thunder ranch combat.. One of my favorite movie guns was Arnold's Automag in the 1980's movie Red Heat. That thing was so cool as a kid. A good gun can add a lot to a character for sure. Especially if you are a gun guy.....
@@jayn8392 very good points. A lot of ppl have trouble envisioning a cowboy with a Glock, but the fact of the matter is had they been available at the time, hell yeah they’d have carried them for every reason you mentioned.
@@DIRTYdeeds613 .30 carbine isn’t going to reach out and touch over hundreds of yards. Needs to be a .308 or .30-06. If it has to be a lever make it a .45-70 but it has shortcomings
It's so hard for me to see a 1911 as a western gun, it's been so ingrained in my head as a noir/gangster gun or as a soldier's gun in either world war.
I suppose it depends on the style. One with walnut or rosewood grips and nickel or stainless in a leather holster for me gives off a western vibe. I can definitely see it before I see a Glock. So chintzy. Though yes if they had been available at the time cowboys would likely have carried Glocks, they always kept up with technology. They knew if they didn’t they’d be scalped/hanged/shot.
I'm somewhat at a loss with this channel , as I can't tell to what extent it's about Hollywood , and what extent real life .
But yes , in real world there were early adopters of 1911 , even overlapping with horses .
But major glaring omission ! Double Action Revolvers of all types ! Let's see some Colt New Service ,and Smith & Wesson .44 Hand Ejector .44 Specials.
Walt's M1911 with Stag Grips was the exact reason I bought one - and of course - had to get the Stag grips from the same company who made his for the show. Don't regret it at all. Currently mounted under my desk, definitely too heavy for concealed carry, but man what a fantastic, rugged, Western looking, but modern gun.
I’ve CC’d a full grown 1911 government model. I love them as well as 6” .357’s
Awesome! Which company is that. I have a Colt 70 series that I put Rocky Mountain Elk grips on. Looks great, but they aren’t red stag
Fun fact about the black powder revolvers..you can actually replace the cylinders for a little faster loading..if you practice a little bit.
Love all the Longmire References!
A minor note, Bohannon's revolver was an colt 1861, not an 1860. Really the only difference between the two was the frame size and caliber. And that replica cap and ball you had at the end was a Remington 1858, not a colt
It depends on the episode and the season. He sometimes carried an 1861 and sometimes carried an 1860. Most fans of the show rarely noticed the change
@@johnandrewserranogarcia7223 In the pilot episode, the foreman Johnson specifically called it a griswold, which were based on the 1851 Navy and therefore were chambered in 36 cal. Anson Mount may have carried an 1860 for filming, but Cullen Bohannon did not. Besides, why would a proud confederate soldier carry a union weapon?
@@brownleelogan1, He did in fact carry a griswold in the first episode of filming but then later switched guns (actually in seasons 3 to 5 he switches again for the Remington 1858 New Army). "why would a proud confederate soldier carry a union weapon", the griswold was an unpatented/unlicensed copy of a colt gun made by Griswold and his slaves in the time that they had no access to northern manufacturing, the Colt wasn't a "union" weapon it was an american weapon which was available to southerners both before and after the war (just not during the war, they could always loot one though). I don't know how much of the show you watched but he wasn't a "proud confederate", he was clearly anti slavery but fought for his state because he was an anti federalist and on multiple times he helps former union soldiers.
@@johnaserrano-garcia5797 "clearly anti-slavery" despite the fact he never freed his slaves and only said he did to score points with the black workers and whatever former union soldiers worked at the railroad. Not to mention he constantly talked about how often the him and his fellow confederates beat union troops with superior numbers and material. And yes while it's true that Colt the brand wasn't exclusive to the Union, the 1860 was what the union issued, not the confederacy. Yes he helped union soldiers on occasion, but not willingly, he had to be told to, and he never cooperated well with them. And remind me, what was his initial goal during the first season? Something about hunting down the Union unit that murdered his family? Tell me, how much of the show did you watch? Cause I watched it all the way through twice.
@@brownleelogan1, you're not very good at reading so I'll break down my response into separate segments so you won't get confused.
"'clearly anti-slavery' despite the fact he never freed his slaves and only said he did to score points with the black workers and whatever former union soldiers worked at the railroad."
He did free the slaves before the war and nowhere in the show does it show otherwise. you'd have mentioned which episode proved otherwise if it existed. Actually the first person he told was a union soldier that was more racist than he was (Foreman Daniel Johnson only hired Bohannon because he wanted former slave owners to keep the workers in line), the second person he told was the church pastor not the railroad workers.
"Not to mention he constantly talked about how often the him and his fellow confederates beat union troops with superior numbers and material."
True he bragged his unit was tougher than his opponents, that has nothing to do with slavery though.
"And yes while it's true that Colt the brand wasn't exclusive to the Union, the 1860 was what the union issued, not the confederacy."
I never said the 1860 was issued to him, he very easily could have acquired the weapon after the war. What I had said and will now repeat that in episode 1 he used a griswold and in episode 2 onward he ditched the griswold and got an 1860. He actually used a remington 1858 navy in seasons 3, 4 and 5 so we know he did switch weapons multiple times throughout the show.
"what was his initial goal during the first season? Something about hunting down the Union unit that murdered his family?"
yes he was hunting down the soldiers WHO KILLED HIS FAMILY. not all the union soldiers.
"Yes he helped union soldiers on occasion, but not willingly, he had to be told to, and he never cooperated well with them."
After he got his revenge he gave all men a fair chance. It was when they proved to be questionable people that he decided to dislike them.
Here he is treating a former enemy with respect, ua-cam.com/video/Qouz05iKv0o/v-deo.html
On the last episode of season 5 (episode 14) Bohannon was getting along with another union soldier until that soldier admitted to enjoyng the killing and abusing native americans, causing Bohannon's mood to sour only after he knew that fact.
"I watched it all the way through twice."
When you watch it a third time maybe pay attention to the show.
The Colt 1873 was a black powder gun too, it just used metallic cartridges. Black powder didn't disappear in wide use until the 20th century.
I was certain someone in the comment section would table that correction. That's what I scrolled down here looking for.
bohannon used a griswold
Where are the long guns?
(Longmire fan here, so looking for his 1894 Winchester..) ;-)
If it has to be a levergun make it a .45-70. .30-30 is inadequate in a plains environment where several hundred yard shots can be expected. To me the quintessential modern western longarm should be a woodstocked bolt action or primitive semi auto. An army 1917 eddystone rifle, a pre 1964 model 70 in .30-06, or even a Mauser or Nagant could pull it off. If semi auto, a Garand or walnut stock m1A is where it’s at. An AR just doesn’t cut it for this cowboy.
I'm super stoked to see that people are still commenting in here 9 months later. I wanted to add a few things, being the guy that supplied the firearms for this video. 1) Yes, I screwed up and brought the Remington cap and ball and didn't think about how it affected Kevin's script. That was addressed by a viewer on literally the day this video came out. Check out the description. 2) Despite that, I think the point of the video is not altered and the average, non-firearm enthusiast western viewer will get a lot out of this video and I'm sad that little bit of info has dominated the conversation. 3) As for some of the other criticisms, be careful not confuse opinion with fact. 4) Yes, it's a shorter (not short) barrel Colt 1911, but it's a Colt 1911 nonetheless. Specifically it's a Mk IV Series 80 Combat Commander. 4.25" barrel. The SAA is a simple Ruger Vaquero in 45 Long Colt. I think the Glock is clear. If you haven't tried the 19x, check it out, great carry firearm. Please let me know have any other questions about the firearms used in the video. Sorry again for the screw up, I still think Kevin made an incredible video.
In the shooting sequence the first gun you describe as a Colt model army is actually a Remington model of 1858.
I have a Pietta 1858 reproduction. It's the most beautiful gun ever made and perfectly balanced. Just throw it up and it's pointed right at the target. The old cap-and-balls, and the SSA were both made to be used one-handed off of horseback, so balance was a key design feature.
It would have been worthwhile to show the loading process for cap-and-balls. To get around the long reload time, people would carry additional loaded cylinders. With some practice they can be swapped out in seconds.
Hi John, thanks for the comments! We actually did shoot the reloading sequence for the black powder, but chose not to use it because it just looked too haphazard in my unpracticed hands.
Hi Peter, can you tell me exactly which shot? We put a lot of work into identification so I’m sorry to hear if there’s a mistake.
@@themodernwestern4681 When you have all four pistols in front of you for the final shooting scene the black powder gun with the top frame and the webbed loading lever, on your far left is a short barrelled copy of the Remington 1858. Hope this helps. All the best.
Damnation, you’re correct! My firearms advisor insists that he explained the difference to me on the day of the shoot, but since he’s not here to defend himself I blame him. I made a correction in the description and thanked you. Cheers!
Wait wait wait.... I love your channel but wait. Seth bullock used a Remington 1875 revolver of deadwood. While on tombstone doc Holliday used a colt 1873 but he also used a colt lighting. Hell on wheels used the Garrision. It's even quoted in the show. This is not to upset you but to just clarify. I love the channel and a Longmire vids is what brought me here. Keep up the good work. 👍
What was that movie with that dude teaching the other dude how to shoot
I live your videos!
Please list the movies and TV shows from this video
Supposedly alec baldwins gun had so much character on the set of rust that it went off by itself, yeah right.
9:59 - Not a replica Colt. It's a replica of a 1858 Remington.
A Colt wouldn't have a solid frame nor the web under the barrel.
The grip frame for the Colt is also not integral to the main frame of the gun, but is screwed on to it.
With the Remington, it's all one piece, with the trigger guard being separate, and made of brass.
Deadwood it was a Remington not colt
I know I’m late, I don’t care, minor note. Bohannon did not use a Colt Navy, he actually used the Griswold and Gunnison revolver you mentioned. Now the shows consistency of depicting him with the actual gun itself is questionable, but that was what he was supposed to be using as called out by the union solider he was hunting down in the first episode of the series
Plus Grant refers to his sidearm as a Griswold when they are on their snipe hunt.
Walt needed to learn to carry his 1911 cocked and locked. I blame the Directors that love to show a hammer being cocked or a slide racked for that silliness.
That’s true John, another thing I thought was an error was when his rifle fell over in his bedroom and went off. Walt would have never let that happen.
Nice, thank you
For someone who is supposed to know his western guns should have known that was a Remington. NOT a army Colt
Don't forget the Colt Dragoon and Walker. The Colt Walker was carried by Gus McCrey's in Lonesome Dove.
Yep. I'm a bit of a Robert Duvall fan myself. He carried another beast, an 1875 Remington, as Boss (Blue Bonnet) Spearman in Open Range.
"Always liked me a sidearm with some heft. Took this off a man who couldn't pay all he owed on some cows. Damn fine weapon."
This video could use a part two with long guns.
The first gun you shot was a Remington 1858 sheriff model not a colt
Actually I have shot all 3. I carried a 4 inch Nickel Colt Python in the late 80's as a deputy sheriff. I also carried a S+W 686 (stainless). The 686 was actually a better carry gun as it had a sturdier frame. Also if you shot too many magnum rounds out of the Python the cylinder would sometimes go out of alignment. The M1 is a great gun but a bit heavy and unwieldy to carry for law enforcement. I also have for an off duty carried a Colt 1911 Combat Commander. Great gun, accurate, and reliable.
I have lived firearms for 50 years I love the history and I spend too much time shooting em and cleaning em and working one em and handloading ammo for em so I can shoot even more. I probly take a dozen new people shooting every year it is always a great time. I do tend to like the older firearms with history to em. a 50 year old gun is modern to me.
It's not 'black powder' - it's 'cap and ball' for the 1860 Army and similar guns. ALL firearms prior to 1885 were black powder. The Colt Single Action Army was black powder, too, until the beginning of the 20th century, when Colt certified them for smokeless powder. The 1911 was a distant second place to double action revolvers in civilian use for sixty years after its introduction. It even took second place to Smith & Wesson and Colt 1917 revolvers in World War I production, and the M1 carbine was developed in World War II to supplant it as a more effective defensive weapon.
Hi Shawn, lots of interesting info here. I’d like to circle back at some point and do a more in-depth video specifically on the ‘cap and ball’ guns. Thanks for watching!
Uh... the replica of the Colt 1868 is actually a replica of a model 1858 Remington
Fantastic topic of discussion. Although I know a lot of people will haze you over getting some guns wrong the point of the video holds true. The guns very much so are a character, for me, and as a writer I spend a lot, and I mean a LOT of time just deciding what guns are allowed in the story, even if its just a rifle over the fire. They say so much about their surroundings and the characters that own or use them.
If Walt carried a Glock it simply wouldn't work. Sure, Walt could use one, but it spits in the face of his stubborn reliance on "old fashioned." And yet he won't go so far back as to use a largely inferior SAA (looking at you Lucian Connally, crazy old coot lol) so the 1911 answers the call on either end. Similarly if somehow the Lone Ranger got his hands on an early model "Colt 45" autoloader he'd alienate his place in the story by seemingly outmatching everyone, and the magic that came from him being potentially anyone would disappear, and he'd become easily identifiable due to leaving cases around or being the only one that bought that type of ammo. The weapon of the hero is so important, and you cannot deny it's influence on gun sales throughout the world
The best sidearm for a modern western protagonist has to be a tossup between a 1911 and a double action .357 with a 6” barrel. Flip a coin, you can’t go wrong with either.
I got a sign p238. It looks like a mini 1911. It's not, but it looks nice.
Awesome video
Thank you!
I love shooting my 1851 Navy!
fun stuff
The use of the Glock in Modern westerns to me has always rubbed me the wrong way. It's always just been too generic and bland. In the Wild West, you had maybe 4 large revolver companies, dozens of smaller producers, but all similarly working from the same revolver design with the most unique example I can think of being the Lemat revolver. In the modern era though, you have dozens of large handgun manufacturers and hundreds of smaller custom shops or craftsmen. It may seem like a small gripe, but I want to see some variety and unique weapons wielded in modern westerns. That's a large reason why I loved Longmire. True, he carried a Winchester 94 and Colt 1911 but they were distinctive. Walt's 1911 was worn with streaks in the finish from holster wear which isn't seen a lot in movies or shows. They had staghorn grips to show his connection and love of nature which is seen throughout the show. Even his Winchester 94 was distinctive and told alot about his personality. It showed in a world where everyone else carried modern tactical shotguns, semi-auto rifles, and pistols he choose a lever action. He choose a weapon that suited his style of policing. Something old fashioned, slower, methodical, and flexible in what it can do. The message isn't exactly subtle but it struck a cord with me since it showed more thought went into his arsenal than just getting a modern pistol or a six shooter and making them look pretty or generic. I love thought and logic behind decisions but that's just a personal opinion
I agree with carrying older guns but if it had to be a lever I’d have made it a .45-70. Much better on the plains would be a woodstocked bolt action, preferably in .30-06. Model 70, or a surplus .30-06 from world war 1. If it had to be semi auto, a Garand fits well. The most modern I’d go as far as longarms would be an m1A in walnut. Sidearms, they did good. A modern western hero can’t go wrong with a 1911 or a colt python.
@@Functionalfitness4360 what would be really unique choice would have been a Winchester 95 or Savage 99. Both are lever actions with box magazines that can use modern spitzer cartridges, both sell the western sheriff dropped in a modern world, and both are pretty unique to appear in movies or television
@@Courier-Six that would be the best of both worlds!
And even though he wasn't the main character, The Ferg's S&W model 29 was really a cool gun, too. Better than Vic's G19. But she came from Philly, so oh well.
@@BamaMTA04 agreed. Longmire is one of those shows that really shows how much the creators cared if you pay attention to the details. Things like Ferg driving a firebird and carrying the Smith and Wesson says a lot about his character. How he feels the need to overcompensate and show how masculine he is compared to Branch and Walt, especially when you consider his hobbies which seem to be perceived as less masculine
Hell on wheels he wasn’t using a colt. It was a griswold and gunnison
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Raylan had a sig in the first episode
Modern cowboys carry glocks and ar platform rifles from my experience, at least here in Arizona along the border
What? Did you actually say that the Glock was made of plastic? Just like Bruce Willis in Diehard 2? Unbefreakingbelievable!
1873 had cartridge revolver Smith Wesson did before and converted ones before 1880 even wild bill did for he died
As we just don’t have hand guns in England (not legally) hard to comment. Did you know our Gun Laws don’t even allow shooting ( in a gun club as that’s about only place one can shoot) at a human shaped target!? I just don’t follow ...............!
Strict rules Bob!
@@themodernwestern4681 : ludicrous don’t you think? What would happen in US if same was implemented?
@@BobMuir100 another revolution.
@@themodernwestern4681 : Sure are! And of course only for the legal guys who won’t cause issues any way, criminals of course ignore them.
By the way I didn’t mention that’s not regarding a handgun as we are not allowed any form of handgun at all. So I have only shot a hand gun for an hour when in Bulgaria 4 years ago. I rented a gun, a Glock, for an hour paid for ammunition by the 10 and that was that!
In the EU all supposed to be the same..........?
Move to Jersey. That island, while British, has preserved some of their freedoms better than the mainland did.
Interesting. Let us go back to the blackpowder days. One reason for the short distances of shooting bad persons, was that the barrels were smooth-bore. No rifling. If you look at Eastwood's use in High PLains Drifter - he had multiple Loaded cylinders to accomplish the fast reload. Since you pointed to the Colt 73, have you looked at real examples. Same issue with smooth barrels. Real Colts, 40 yrs ago, were auctioning off for up to $50,000. Those with paperwork from Colt - $ above that. Single Action Semi-auto, Steel Frame - 9mm 38 Super - 45 Auto. Now - to use a Colt 1911 properly - will take years. At Least 2 - and that is only if your going to practice - Hours per week.
Striker fired -plastic guns - never have a Soul. They remind me of Mattel toys of the 60's. It is a toy - Does not take much to learn how to make bang. I wish you more enjoyment in Shooting.
Hey, you're shooting a remington new army, not a colt. Wake up.
That so called Colt Army you're shooting, is actually a Remington. And how come you're only talking pistols, what about the rifles and shotguns carried by western heroes? Like Walt Longmire's Winchester 94 30-30, or Matthew Quigley's Sharps?
It is reassuring to see so many folks here in the comment section who know the difference between Remington and Colt.
Total Fail. That is not a replica of a Colt 1860. It's a replica of a Remington. Lots of difference. Your description of the different guns was misleading too. Fake expert and it shows. Sorry.
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That’s NOT a Colt Army you shot! It’s a Remington! Sheesh! Do better research.
Thank you Rotaman, yes we caught that earlier and I had posted a correction in the description. Sorry!