It’s amazing how 20 years ago “min of deer” was the standard that all firearms were judged. Today you can spend $300 on a rifle and $150 on a Vortex scope and you have a rig capable of outshooting you. What a time to be alive.
Yep. I remember when I started hunting I was given my first rifle, a model 70 featherweight 308, and when I could hit a milk jug was told I was good to go lol.
So, I'm 59 years old and I started out with the cheaper guns and upgrade do some decent guns. My favorite was always the Ruger rifles, which I have rugers and Remington's Savage. I don't think I ever owned a Browning, and I have Henry's Smith& Wesson's, Taurus, anyways, my go-to gun has always been for the last 10 or 15 years. Years is a Thompson center venture compact in 7mm08, well over the course of the last 2 years I rebuilt that gun but the only thing I rebuilt was I put Leopold rings and bases and Leopold 3 to 15x44 scope zls2, and a Boyd's stock laminated gray. And this year I went to Barnes ex bullets which I'm getting half to 5/8 of an inch groups out of it which I was shooting before nozzle partitions, 140 grain and getting 3/4-in groups. Love the gun. Glad to see that Thompson center was bought by Greg Ritz and he's bringing Thompson center back!!! Thanks for the great podcast and UA-cam,
Happy to be picked! Also happy to hear the intro talk about a Dunder Mifflin sponsorship, and the episode closing out on Bears-Beets-Battlestar Galactica.
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As a small family farm, dairy farmer, actaully located in south central Wisconsin, I much appreciate the mention that people don't drink enough milk anymore. I also greatly appreciate the budget round up. I think you should look more into other budget round ups. Backpacks, pistol, optics, gear, etc. Finally, it's incredible to see how far we've come in "budget" firearms, not because I'm that interested in saving money, but now I can have more firearms for the less.
I have a Model 110 I got for my first rifle for hunting in 2005 for my 12th Bday and just started reloading with it (chambered in 243 win) and that rifle shoots just under 1moa with the load I developed for it and never got more than 1moa with any load I made. Absolute tack driver.
@@its_a_longshot savage 110s are tac drivers. I’ve owned over a half dozen and every one of them is tac driver. Plus they’re set up. Features are so easy for any level.
For sure. My Howa 243win gets .355 inch groups at 100 yards all day long. I hand load, but this is an incredible rifle for the cost and I feel like the quality is significantly better than what some of these others are offering.
Howa 1500 barreled action $500 Find a used stock on eBay $100 Get a hand me down scope from the old guy at the range $100 Steal the mount $0 Spend thousands over three marriages and multiple mistresses, making it what you “want” and never what you “need”. Priceless
Had my XPR 270 since they forst came out and it has been excellent. Came with a Vortex scope mounted and for the price, the package deal was beyond worth it.
new Weatherby vanguard obsidian sub 500. incredible trigger, smooth action, hinged floor plate, cerekote, threaded muzzle, solid stock, available in 17 calibers!!!!! how is this not on the list with the obsidian weatherby did us the favor of making the barrels shorter 🙏🏼🙌🏼
I love these series you guys do. But it really hurts me to see you guys not include Howa rifles on the podcast. I believe them to be right at the top of this list
Great opening gents! I always enjoy the contrast in personalities between you two and I'm lmao over this episode especially. Thanks also for the superb cartridge conversations - most interesting and enjoyable. You always provide plenty of food for thought re possible future acquisitions. Thanks for the thought provoking entertainment and Ryan's encyclopedic knowledge. This is hands-down my favourite firearms-related UA-cam channel. Keep 'em coming and cheers from beautiful British Columbia!
to me factors like calibres available and length of barrel available options seriously relevant. certainly opened up my mind with your first choice after the draw first. . as for Mark being unaware of Billy Joel enough said. the Ruger, CVA certainly get plenty of reason to love.
While Mark may be a transplant to Wisconsin he's sticking up for our milk and paper production in our great state of Wisconsin. The Vortex fans who work on the papermachine in Stevens Point appreciate the support!
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Savage just wins. KRG, Bell & Carlson , MDT , Hogue , and HS Precision just To name a few on stock/chassis manufacturers for Savage. Prefit barrels like crazy!
I wish you had included either the Howa 1500, or its factory sister, the Weatherby Vanguard. They are well made, reliable, extremely accurate, and the base versions are less expensive than several rifles on the table.
I have a Savage 110 chambered in .243 that my dad got me for my first deer rifle. Still have it and will never sell it. It has been a great rifle, and accurate! Shot a nickel at 100 yards with it.
Friend recently picked up an RAR Gen 2 Ranch in 308. First three rounds out of that gun with plain old Federal Fusion 150g was 0.59”. We were impressed to say the least.
I have the Mossberg patriot in 6.5 creedmoor that shoots fantastic with hand loads, and I just picked up the savage 110 trail hunter which is the model that you guys showed in 7mm prc when it came out Im just waiting on a chance to get it to the range!
I got my wife a Savage Axis Compact in .243 (in the pretty "Muddy Girl" camo pattern) as her first rifle. Put a Crossfire II 3-9x50 on it and she got her first deer last year with it. I liked the rifle so much that I got one, also in .243 and regular camo, full size for myself. I even ordered the same scope for it. My only observation is that the bolt tightens up when opening it. Maybe it will loosen up with use.
I know I’ll probably get a bunch of crap for this but my Mossberg Patriot in .308 is horrible. 5-6 MOA with M80 ball. 2-4 MOA with hunting and match loads. That’s always shooting prone or from a bench with a bag or a rest. Optic and rings are torqued and thread locked. I’ve checked the action screws before shooting just to make sure they are tight. Finally decided to try to accurize it with some pillars and bedding compound. Also went through and removed a bunch of the material in the fore end to give the barrel plenty of clearance. I just don’t like that I’m having to go through all the trouble to hopefully have a better shooting rifle. That said, you get what you pay for….
I LOVE the new Cartridge Talk series Mark and Ryan have been doing this year. I would like a comparison of the classic 30/30 and the new 350 Legend. I won't tell you which one I have, but with the depth and thorough evaluation you put cartridge comparisons through, I am very interested in seeing how these 2 match up.
The XPR's are good rifles. Budget, basic and a smoother action than the other options (I haven't tried a CVA yet). To get a better action without breaking the bank, you need to go with a Tikka or a Browning X-bolt (plain Jane versions).
Great episode. I never understood however why people think the Mossberg Patriot was ugly. I think it's the most attractive of them all. With its classic clean lines it always reminds me of the M40 sniper rifle.
Being a budget gun discussion, you guys should talk about what calibers you have on the table there and prices to be expected to pay with these rifles.
Gave my buddy my TC Venture 7-08 about 3 years ago when hìs home burned just before season opened. I do miss that rifle, but I have a few others if I need them.
Interesting take on the Mossberg Patriot. Over the years I have read and watched many reviews of this rifle and they fall into two camps: it is exceptionally accurate, or it can't group under three MOA. That tells me that Mossberg has some QC issues.
You picked a great batch. Of course everyone will have a favorite you didn't include, but I was shocked not to see a Howa in there. I have built a couple and the nice thing is if you don't like one of their pre-configured versions, you can buy a barreled action and a Boyd's or Stocky's stock and you are in the same ballpark with a much more custom feel. My 6.5 Grendel is set up with a Boyd's At-One thumbhole stock and I really love the combo. It also comes with threaded barrels on most of their offerings and you can get 0 or 20 moa picatinny rails and a great variety of other aftermarket stuff. If I had one complaint it's that the mini action has their proprietary magazines required. If they made those work with AR mags, I'd probably own 5 hehe.
I bought my daughter a Franchi Momentum a couple years ago and it's really been fantastic. I have about 5 different 308s and this one has really grown on me. My only complaint is that the stock needs some kind of reburized coating like browning uses. It seems almost slippery, like a Glock without all the texture.
I love my Ranch. I’m just mad that two months after I got mine they released the gen 2 that fixed all my minor gripes with the gen 1! The new ones are amazing!
Yeah I love em. I have ruger american 22lr, 22wmr, 223 gen 1 and 2, 22 250, 300bo, 308, and 450bushmaster. Gen 2 223 is great, I put a rix storm 3 thermal scope with a Griffin can. G5? Maybe it's Griffith... anyway, it's dope.
Just buy the Crest! You will not be disappointed. The winner of HuntLeague's Western Hunter last year won that as part of his prize package along with the Vortex Razor 4.5-22. That guy owned several expensive custom guns and says that Crest shoots as good if not better than any of his other rifles. His first group at 100 you could cover with a dime. He is a good shooter but the Crest is now his go to hunting rifle.
@@huntleague i just bought the sako S20 about a week ago, still havent even picked it up from my FFL yet. Theyre on sale for $999 for the 6.5 prc, I couldnt resist.
@@flynnryder7798that is a killer deal! Sako makes a ridiculous rifle. They had one of my favorites this year at SHOT. I need to look for that sale! Where did you find that price?
@@huntleague i got mine from eurooptic. scopelist also has them on sale for around the same price. If you want a bundle deal, meaning the hunter stock and precision stock both come with the rifle, simmons sporting goods has that on sale for 1,300.
just bought a browning ab3 composite stalker in 270 win with sig 4x12x44 scope. shoots moa or less depending on ammo. ammo is key. awesome gun and budget friendly
i own savage 116 accu trigger stainless, in 30.06. it shoots really well, pawn shop for 300 bucks. i can’t complain, if i ever upgrade it will be 300 win mag.
One of the most accurate factory rifles I've ever shot was a Sauer 100. I think it, and it's sister rifle the Mauser M18, offer quite a bit for their cost. They have 3-position side safeties, detachable magazines that load and feed amazingly, excellent factory triggers and they share scope bases with a Remington 700 (long action I'd you're buying a one piece mount, like a picatinny rail).
Heavy cream and coffee 👍tang safety does look clean but the 3 position has become my favorite. CRF also something I’m gravitating towards, Hinged floor plate as well. Great video guys
When people ask me, I say: Ruger American, CVA Cascade, then Tikka or Bergara. I don’t like the Savage 110, clunky bolt, often has feeding & extraction issues.
Love watching the review of these rifles but also highlight which ones come in a left hand model for us southpaws. Some of these do not even offer that as an option.
Ryan, I think the single "tube" on the Savage's has been around for a while. When I first got into bolt guns (a decade ago) I remember looking up videos and there was this group that went shooting prairie dogs with Savage single shot bolt actions and they had that same cut of the action.
The fact that Savage has 2 Rifles in your Podcast speakes books. The AccuTrigger is a Game Changer. All the mods and accessories for the platform are the next level to transform it from mild to wild. MDT and Vortex is made for each other and run perfectly with A Savage.
I own a CVA cascade SB in 6.5 creedmoor and flat love it. My grandson is using it now because of the spacer in the stock, gives him the correct LOP. I also own a ruger predator in 6.5 grendel and it is a fine shooting gun. I did change the trigger spring and have it in a magpul hunter stock., but a great gun. Enjoy your podcast thanks and God bless
The weatherby vanguards and howa 1500s should have been on this list. Also you can usually get the standard blued tikka t3x in this price point as well
I have bought two Weatherby vanguard/Howa 1500.. 3006 and 22-250. Retail 549. I paid 499. BOTH SHOOT LESS THAN 1/2”. What’s up with you guys??? Never heard of this product????? 😮
As to your intro question. I've been a life long hunter and former police officer in Louisiana. 56yrs old been doing mid-long range shooting since my start in LE. IT surprises me that people hear are just in the last 5 or so years have a grip on the sub moa concept. If rifle manufacturers start putting sub quarter mil on the sticker even some guys my age will be like 🤔🤨🙄
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The Stevens 334 is THE new budget hunting rifle. sells under $350 in synthetic stock and it's not included?
The mossberg patriot rifle I used to have was not anything to brag about in accuracy. Best group I ever saw it produce was 2.25” and the normal was 3-5 inches
@@ericbolen7054 What do you mean by "chassie"? Do you mean "chassis"? And if so, what is that? Not a stock? If so, what good is that? I've never heard of the term "lights out" when assessing something as good or bad. I suspect you mean somewhere on the good scale.
IMO Floor Plates are always better than proprietary detachable mags, but standardized mags (STANAG, AICS, ETC) are always better than floor plates. Proprietary mags are always overpriced and are rarely better than AICS mags. I could get three or four magpul AICS mags for the price of one Tikka Arctic mag.
Some are saying to do the next tier of pricing, but i think before that, do a part 2 of this tier with the rifles that were missed! Then you can reevalute in a part 3 with the 3 best of each stage (perhaps time was kind to some of the ones you ranked 2nd or 3rd and theyll do better)
For some reason, they're really hard to find in local gun shops around me but I wish there was more about the Howa 1500. I've been considering buying one but I really want to put my hands on it and see some reviews before I do that
My marlin xl7 in 270 shoots winchester xp's one hole groups, diamondback cranked on and im scared to ever touch it. Cheapest setup i have and still probably the most consistently accurate. Taken more than 4 antelope and more than a dozen deer
14:08 Highly accessible safety, is also easily Engaged to return to safe. Ready to fire, and something happens, you want to go immediately, intuitively, fluidly, Into safe position.
Why do we not have the new Savage Axis on the table I know at the time of recording the rifle was available did you guys not know about the new Savage Axis basically gen 3!!!!!
Remington 700 ADL stainless steel 30-06 and a vortex 4x12x40 tactical scope and $500 in the all new rifle from my local gun store and it’s very accurate.. I take my time 1/2 group at 500 yards!! The 30-06 was loved by snipers in war like Carlos Hathcock!! And I use 178 grain ELD-X!!
I want a podcast on driving rifles! Red dots or open sights only. And I want a tikka battue featured! Also, a shootout between Ryan and Mark with charging targets
the cost with a reasonable scope with a bipod and sling set up makes a mockery of budget, the Jim Harmer test where the AXIS was rusted after one wet hunt where rain was around a massive deal, their proof research carbon barrel version a big deal to avoid this. Bit like Tikkas usually having no barrel porting for a break or suppressor which is a massive detractor and simply not good enough having to get a gunsmith to engineer it. For me the looks of the CVA with its reviews everywhere get my dollars.
This is priceless!! A discussion around Wisconsin heavy cream masquerading as a budget rifle roundup! In the first 10 minutes no less. I look forward to these reviews, priceless. Thank you.
Seems like the only thing about the gen one Ruger was the feeding and the stock. So put on a different stock, and I am not sure what you could do about feeding except maybe modify the magazine action
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Looked at one yesterday. Atwoods in Dallas Texas. They come with a 10 round pmag. 5’s and 20’s and 30’s and drums will all fit. The gun is good quality.
Where is the CZ 600 Alpha? It meets many of your criteria. Threaded semi heavy barrel. 60 degree bolt throw. Double stack double feed box mag that can be locked in. Amazing trigger. I hope CZ makes a gen 2 to fix the interchangeable barrel safety issue.
I have the Mossberg Patriot in .308 . It did better in the MDT LSS Gen 2 chassis. I have the Mossberg MVP Thunder Ranch .308 W in Kuiu Camo with 20 inch medium bull barrel. I have the Mossberg 590A1 SPX 12 ga, And the Patriot Predator in 7 mm PRC. The Patriot walnut and synth stocks, they have always had a problem with bedding because the mag well is is a shim and they will not fix the bedding. My 7 PRC is in an Oryx. Another good budget rifle that I have is the TC Arms Compass II in .308 W. Aluminum pillar bedding and I later put it in an Oryx chassis.
@@msquared9605 more flush fitting would be ok but even if someone could figure out an aftermarket solution i would be ok with doing that. As far as I know there's nothing out there other than converting it to AICS.
@@kbowen2251 someone will, give it time. Somebody made a “bottom metal” conversion for the gen 1 ranch 7.62x39 to accept ak mags. Also, aren’t the mags already aics compatible?
It’s amazing how 20 years ago “min of deer” was the standard that all firearms were judged. Today you can spend $300 on a rifle and $150 on a Vortex scope and you have a rig capable of outshooting you.
What a time to be alive.
@@nuckyduk15 gives you something to aim for ?
Nailed it. Things have really advanced. I have a Savage 110 that is an absolute precise hammer. Tons of value.
Yep. I remember when I started hunting I was given my first rifle, a model 70 featherweight 308, and when I could hit a milk jug was told I was good to go lol.
Please keep building off this video and do the next price tier of rifles! Great show!
Howa 1500/vanguard definitely should of been on the list. Own both a Howa 1500 in 6.5 creedmoor and a weatherby vanguard in 300wsm..love them both!
So, I'm 59 years old and I started out with the cheaper guns and upgrade do some decent guns. My favorite was always the Ruger rifles, which I have rugers and Remington's Savage. I don't think I ever owned a Browning, and I have Henry's Smith& Wesson's, Taurus, anyways, my go-to gun has always been for the last 10 or 15 years. Years is a Thompson center venture compact in 7mm08, well over the course of the last 2 years I rebuilt that gun but the only thing I rebuilt was I put Leopold rings and bases and Leopold 3 to 15x44 scope zls2, and a Boyd's stock laminated gray. And this year I went to Barnes ex bullets which I'm getting half to 5/8 of an inch groups out of it which I was shooting before nozzle partitions, 140 grain and getting 3/4-in groups. Love the gun. Glad to see that Thompson center was bought by Greg Ritz and he's bringing Thompson center back!!! Thanks for the great podcast and UA-cam,
Happy to be picked! Also happy to hear the intro talk about a Dunder Mifflin sponsorship, and the episode closing out on Bears-Beets-Battlestar Galactica.
Congratulations
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As a small family farm, dairy farmer, actaully located in south central Wisconsin, I much appreciate the mention that people don't drink enough milk anymore.
I also greatly appreciate the budget round up. I think you should look more into other budget round ups. Backpacks, pistol, optics, gear, etc.
Finally, it's incredible to see how far we've come in "budget" firearms, not because I'm that interested in saving money, but now I can have more firearms for the less.
Get a savage 110 in a “high country”, ultralight, or ultralight elite; awesome rifles and easy to configure. Highly recommend.
I have a Model 110 I got for my first rifle for hunting in 2005 for my 12th Bday and just started reloading with it (chambered in 243 win) and that rifle shoots just under 1moa with the load I developed for it and never got more than 1moa with any load I made. Absolute tack driver.
@@its_a_longshot savage 110s are tac drivers. I’ve owned over a half dozen and every one of them is tac driver. Plus they’re set up. Features are so easy for any level.
Keep talking about that Bear hunt sir. We are living vicariously through you. Great one folks. That Ruger American Gen 2 is on my short list.
Weatherby vanguard/Howa 1500 left out in the cold.
also the thompson center compass. although discontinued they're still available.
For sure. My Howa 243win gets .355 inch groups at 100 yards all day long. I hand load, but this is an incredible rifle for the cost and I feel like the quality is significantly better than what some of these others are offering.
Best budget rifle by far IMHO
Howa 1500 barreled action $500
Find a used stock on eBay
$100
Get a hand me down scope from the old guy at the range
$100
Steal the mount
$0
Spend thousands over three marriages and multiple mistresses, making it what you “want” and never what you “need”.
Priceless
Yea after seeing Ryan's 6arc howa I was surprised it wasn't on the list either
Had my XPR 270 since they forst came out and it has been excellent. Came with a Vortex scope mounted and for the price, the package deal was beyond worth it.
new Weatherby vanguard obsidian sub 500. incredible trigger, smooth action, hinged floor plate, cerekote, threaded muzzle, solid stock, available in 17 calibers!!!!! how is this not on the list with the obsidian weatherby did us the favor of making the barrels shorter 🙏🏼🙌🏼
And threaded! No excuse not to have threaded muzzles these days.
I just checked it out online and didnt see the cerekote. Is this and add on option?
@@flynnryder7798 its black cerakote. i own one is 308 and its definitely ceakote
@@adventureswithcorona The specs for the $500 base level say "blued" on weatherbys spec page
I love these series you guys do. But it really hurts me to see you guys not include Howa rifles on the podcast. I believe them to be right at the top of this list
Great opening gents! I always enjoy the contrast in personalities between you two and I'm lmao over this episode especially.
Thanks also for the superb cartridge conversations - most interesting and enjoyable. You always provide plenty of food for thought re possible future acquisitions. Thanks for the thought provoking entertainment and Ryan's encyclopedic knowledge. This is hands-down my favourite firearms-related UA-cam channel. Keep 'em coming and cheers from beautiful British Columbia!
Savage 110 high country. Everything you'll ever need or want in a rifle is right there. Absolutely amazing
to me factors like calibres available and length of barrel available options seriously relevant. certainly opened up my mind with your first choice after the draw first. . as for Mark being unaware of Billy Joel enough said. the Ruger, CVA certainly get plenty of reason to love.
While Mark may be a transplant to Wisconsin he's sticking up for our milk and paper production in our great state of Wisconsin. The Vortex fans who work on the papermachine in Stevens Point appreciate the support!
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Savage just wins. KRG, Bell & Carlson , MDT , Hogue , and HS Precision just
To name a few on stock/chassis manufacturers for Savage. Prefit barrels like crazy!
I wish you had included either the Howa 1500, or its factory sister, the Weatherby Vanguard. They are well made, reliable, extremely accurate, and the base versions are less expensive than several rifles on the table.
I have a Savage 110 chambered in .243 that my dad got me for my first deer rifle. Still have it and will never sell it. It has been a great rifle, and accurate! Shot a nickel at 100 yards with it.
Friend recently picked up an RAR Gen 2 Ranch in 308. First three rounds out of that gun with plain old Federal Fusion 150g was 0.59”. We were impressed to say the least.
I have the Savage Axis in 6.5 Creed, as well as a Gen 1 Ruger American standard-all weather, in 308. Both incredible guns for the money! Great list!
I have the Mossberg patriot in 6.5 creedmoor that shoots fantastic with hand loads, and I just picked up the savage 110 trail hunter which is the model that you guys showed in 7mm prc when it came out Im just waiting on a chance to get it to the range!
I got my wife a Savage Axis Compact in .243 (in the pretty "Muddy Girl" camo pattern) as her first rifle. Put a Crossfire II 3-9x50 on it and she got her first deer last year with it. I liked the rifle so much that I got one, also in .243 and regular camo, full size for myself. I even ordered the same scope for it. My only observation is that the bolt tightens up when opening it. Maybe it will loosen up with use.
They don't unfortunately. It's the one thing that bugs me about my savages. You can get a bolt lift kit to lighten it however.
I know I’ll probably get a bunch of crap for this but my Mossberg Patriot in .308 is horrible. 5-6 MOA with M80 ball. 2-4 MOA with hunting and match loads. That’s always shooting prone or from a bench with a bag or a rest. Optic and rings are torqued and thread locked. I’ve checked the action screws before shooting just to make sure they are tight.
Finally decided to try to accurize it with some pillars and bedding compound. Also went through and removed a bunch of the material in the fore end to give the barrel plenty of clearance. I just don’t like that I’m having to go through all the trouble to hopefully have a better shooting rifle. That said, you get what you pay for….
I'm with Ryan on the chocolate milk. Not too often, but promised land is the ultimate thing to consume that scratches that itch.
And brandy ?
I LOVE the new Cartridge Talk series Mark and Ryan have been doing this year. I would like a comparison of the classic 30/30 and the new 350 Legend. I won't tell you which one I have, but with the depth and thorough evaluation you put cartridge comparisons through, I am very interested in seeing how these 2 match up.
YES!!! I agree. AR's chambered in .350 legend is the 21st century's 30-30 carbine. Both handy, not overly powerful but enough for ethical kills,
The XPR's are good rifles. Budget, basic and a smoother action than the other options (I haven't tried a CVA yet). To get a better action without breaking the bank, you need to go with a Tikka or a Browning X-bolt (plain Jane versions).
Great episode. I never understood however why people think the Mossberg Patriot was ugly. I think it's the most attractive of them all. With its classic clean lines it always reminds me of the M40 sniper rifle.
Being a budget gun discussion, you guys should talk about what calibers you have on the table there and prices to be expected to pay with these rifles.
if you watched yesterdays vid that this vid is all about then you would know that info.
Gave my buddy my TC Venture 7-08 about 3 years ago when hìs home burned just before season opened. I do miss that rifle, but I have a few others if I need them.
Interesting take on the Mossberg Patriot. Over the years I have read and watched many reviews of this rifle and they fall into two camps: it is exceptionally accurate, or it can't group under three MOA. That tells me that Mossberg has some QC issues.
Love the mossy..just have to take it out of the stock and slap into a chassie..shots lights out
I suspect that the accuracy of the Patriot is dependent on the cartridge.
I have a ruger american gen 2 in .204, i love, love love this gun. I have because of this podcast. I then bought a gen 1 in a .270 shoots amazing.
You picked a great batch. Of course everyone will have a favorite you didn't include, but I was shocked not to see a Howa in there. I have built a couple and the nice thing is if you don't like one of their pre-configured versions, you can buy a barreled action and a Boyd's or Stocky's stock and you are in the same ballpark with a much more custom feel. My 6.5 Grendel is set up with a Boyd's At-One thumbhole stock and I really love the combo. It also comes with threaded barrels on most of their offerings and you can get 0 or 20 moa picatinny rails and a great variety of other aftermarket stuff. If I had one complaint it's that the mini action has their proprietary magazines required. If they made those work with AR mags, I'd probably own 5 hehe.
I bought my daughter a Franchi Momentum a couple years ago and it's really been fantastic. I have about 5 different 308s and this one has really grown on me. My only complaint is that the stock needs some kind of reburized coating like browning uses. It seems almost slippery, like a Glock without all the texture.
love my Ruger American Predator and American Ranch Rifles
I love my Ranch. I’m just mad that two months after I got mine they released the gen 2 that fixed all my minor gripes with the gen 1! The new ones are amazing!
Yeah I love em. I have ruger american 22lr, 22wmr, 223 gen 1 and 2, 22 250, 300bo, 308, and 450bushmaster. Gen 2 223 is great, I put a rix storm 3 thermal scope with a Griffin can. G5? Maybe it's Griffith... anyway, it's dope.
I’.n 450 bush master nice
Thanks guys, love the podcast. How about a follow-up review of mid/high-cost rifles under $2000? Like the Bergara B-14 Crest? “Asking for a friend.” 😎
B14 crest, sig cross, waypoint 2020, aero SOLUS, Sako s20
Just buy the Crest! You will not be disappointed. The winner of HuntLeague's Western Hunter last year won that as part of his prize package along with the Vortex Razor 4.5-22. That guy owned several expensive custom guns and says that Crest shoots as good if not better than any of his other rifles. His first group at 100 you could cover with a dime. He is a good shooter but the Crest is now his go to hunting rifle.
@@huntleague i just bought the sako S20 about a week ago, still havent even picked it up from my FFL yet. Theyre on sale for $999 for the 6.5 prc, I couldnt resist.
@@flynnryder7798that is a killer deal! Sako makes a ridiculous rifle. They had one of my favorites this year at SHOT. I need to look for that sale! Where did you find that price?
@@huntleague i got mine from eurooptic. scopelist also has them on sale for around the same price. If you want a bundle deal, meaning the hunter stock and precision stock both come with the rifle, simmons sporting goods has that on sale for 1,300.
just bought a browning ab3 composite stalker in 270 win with sig 4x12x44 scope. shoots moa or less depending on ammo. ammo is key. awesome gun and budget friendly
the xpr shown is actually made by browning, thus imprinted on the barrel
Bought a CVA Cascade in 300WM to go do some elk hunting in Montana next year- can't wait!
I got the 7mm for my.le elk in Utah this year
i own savage 116 accu trigger stainless, in 30.06. it shoots really well, pawn shop for 300 bucks. i can’t complain, if i ever upgrade it will be 300 win mag.
I love my Howa 1500 Hogue stock is awesome for it's price point.
I'm actually pretty interested in the new Axis 2 Pro.. changed it up and it looks all for the better
The best chocolate milk across the whole nation is Cass Clay Swiss Style Chocolate Milk. Mostly found in the Dakotas and Minnesota.
One of the most accurate factory rifles I've ever shot was a Sauer 100. I think it, and it's sister rifle the Mauser M18, offer quite a bit for their cost. They have 3-position side safeties, detachable magazines that load and feed amazingly, excellent factory triggers and they share scope bases with a Remington 700 (long action I'd you're buying a one piece mount, like a picatinny rail).
Heavy cream and coffee 👍tang safety does look clean but the 3 position has become my favorite. CRF also something I’m gravitating towards, Hinged floor plate as well.
Great video guys
just bought a weatherby vanguard bad lands in 6.5/300 weatherby magnum. it would be nice too see a podcast about this barn burner
When people ask me, I say: Ruger American, CVA Cascade, then Tikka or Bergara. I don’t like the Savage 110, clunky bolt, often has feeding & extraction issues.
Howa 1500 barreled action and MDT field chassis for $750. Pretty hard to beat
Thanks, you ‘made me’ go buy a new Ruger American Gen 2 in 300 Blackout! 😆👊🏻
Love watching the review of these rifles but also highlight which ones come in a left hand model for us southpaws. Some of these do not even offer that as an option.
Ryan, I think the single "tube" on the Savage's has been around for a while. When I first got into bolt guns (a decade ago) I remember looking up videos and there was this group that went shooting prairie dogs with Savage single shot bolt actions and they had that same cut of the action.
The fact that Savage has 2 Rifles in your Podcast speakes books. The AccuTrigger is a Game Changer. All the mods and accessories for the platform are the next level to transform it from mild to wild. MDT and Vortex is made for each other and run perfectly with A Savage.
I own a CVA cascade SB in 6.5 creedmoor and flat love it. My grandson is using it now because of the spacer in the stock, gives him the correct LOP. I also own a ruger predator in 6.5 grendel and it is a fine shooting gun. I did change the trigger spring and have it in a magpul hunter stock., but a great gun. Enjoy your podcast thanks and God bless
The weatherby vanguards and howa 1500s should have been on this list. Also you can usually get the standard blued tikka t3x in this price point as well
I have bought two Weatherby vanguard/Howa 1500.. 3006 and 22-250. Retail 549. I paid 499. BOTH SHOOT LESS THAN 1/2”. What’s up with you guys??? Never heard of this product????? 😮
The lost ADL could be a real sleeper at times. Before Freedom group
As to your intro question. I've been a life long hunter and former police officer in Louisiana. 56yrs old been doing mid-long range shooting since my start in LE. IT surprises me that people hear are just in the last 5 or so years have a grip on the sub moa concept. If rifle manufacturers start putting sub quarter mil on the sticker even some guys my age will be like 🤔🤨🙄
The Stevens 334 is THE new budget hunting rifle. sells under $350 in synthetic stock and it's not included?
Howa 1500 with a SWFA scope under a grand! A winner. And yes you can get them anywhere in the USA. Practical quality.
The mossberg patriot rifle I used to have was not anything to brag about in accuracy. Best group I ever saw it produce was 2.25” and the normal was 3-5 inches
Exactly. They need a total redesign of the action bedding. It's horrid.
Never owned one but seems like all the videos I’ve seen they either shoot really good or really really bad
I have the mossberg..in the prediator..its shoots light out..under 1 inch..just have to dump the cheap stock and put in a chassie..i can show proof
@@ericbolen7054 What do you mean by "chassie"? Do you mean "chassis"? And if so, what is that? Not a stock? If so, what good is that?
I've never heard of the term "lights out" when assessing something as good or bad. I suspect you mean somewhere on the good scale.
On the gen two ruger the fluting got me at fist but with the modern design I grew into it :)
We need a video about Floor plate vs detach mag.
Yes!!!
IMO Floor Plates are always better than proprietary detachable mags, but standardized mags (STANAG, AICS, ETC) are always better than floor plates. Proprietary mags are always overpriced and are rarely better than AICS mags. I could get three or four magpul AICS mags for the price of one Tikka Arctic mag.
Savage is my pick
Tikka is the winner!! 🎉🎉🎉
Spend a touch more and they cannot be beat!
LOVE my Tikka, I will never shoot anything but.
I watched the video twice and never saw the Tikka segment, they must've edited since then
@@wagstag89they didn't mention Tikka at all. That's just how much those of us that have them love them.
Some are saying to do the next tier of pricing, but i think before that, do a part 2 of this tier with the rifles that were missed! Then you can reevalute in a part 3 with the 3 best of each stage (perhaps time was kind to some of the ones you ranked 2nd or 3rd and theyll do better)
Tikka for the win!!
No Weatherby vanguard is a shame
For some reason, they're really hard to find in local gun shops around me but I wish there was more about the Howa 1500. I've been considering buying one but I really want to put my hands on it and see some reviews before I do that
My marlin xl7 in 270 shoots winchester xp's one hole groups, diamondback cranked on and im scared to ever touch it. Cheapest setup i have and still probably the most consistently accurate. Taken more than 4 antelope and more than a dozen deer
14:08
Highly accessible safety, is also easily Engaged to return to safe.
Ready to fire, and something happens, you want to go immediately, intuitively, fluidly,
Into safe position.
Ruger Savage CVA are making incredible good cheaper Rifles
Kwik Trip is by far the best.
Those franchi recessed sling studs. Great on the rear. Front basically removes potential from using any bipods. Swagger being my goto.
Why do we not have the new Savage Axis on the table I know at the time of recording the rifle was available did you guys not know about the new Savage Axis basically gen 3!!!!!
❤ love these episodes!
Appreciate all the work gentlemen. Great vid. Take a break,do an easy episode. Say, a cartridge talk, on the .358? As always,
jmp
I searched Savage’s web site and only found model 110’s. No Model 10. Where can you find Model 10 as shown in the video?
Remington 700 ADL stainless steel 30-06 and a vortex 4x12x40 tactical scope and $500 in the all new rifle from my local gun store and it’s very accurate.. I take my time 1/2 group at 500 yards!! The 30-06 was loved by snipers in war like Carlos Hathcock!! And I use 178 grain ELD-X!!
I want a podcast on driving rifles! Red dots or open sights only. And I want a tikka battue featured! Also, a shootout between Ryan and Mark with charging targets
the cost with a reasonable scope with a bipod and sling set up makes a mockery of budget, the Jim Harmer test where the AXIS was rusted after one wet hunt where rain was around a massive deal, their proof research carbon barrel version a big deal to avoid this. Bit like Tikkas usually having no barrel porting for a break or suppressor which is a massive detractor and simply not good enough having to get a gunsmith to engineer it. For me the looks of the CVA with its reviews everywhere get my dollars.
I think the savage access two has a rebate through the end of the month and teas have a rebate for the end of September
My savage axis is surprisingly accurate
Is your Savage Axis accurate enough with factory ammunition to take a deer at 300 yds or 400 yds???
This is priceless!! A discussion around Wisconsin heavy cream masquerading as a budget rifle roundup! In the first 10 minutes no less. I look forward to these reviews, priceless. Thank you.
Really surprised to not see the Tikka on the table at a similar price point as the Ruger American ll and a couple others.
Couple hundred more kind of puts it into the midrange price point, I would think
Seems like the only thing about the gen one Ruger was the feeding and the stock. So put on a different stock, and I am not sure what you could do about feeding except maybe modify the magazine action
Man! You guys are making it really difficult for me to stay away from getting into the Bolt Action game.
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It would be cool to see best budget rifles for shooting straight walled.
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Why does Savage not have the Model 10 on their website? They only list Model 110.
No Howa?
I'm all about Ruger American I have the Gen 1 on 30.06 but I wonder if Gen 2 on 5.56 will take Pmags 🤔
Looked at one yesterday. Atwoods in Dallas Texas.
They come with a 10 round pmag. 5’s and 20’s and 30’s and drums will all fit.
The gun is good quality.
@@wahyasaquii7563 see that's badass 😎
What was the good and bad ammo with the Ruger American?
Where is the CZ 600 Alpha? It meets many of your criteria. Threaded semi heavy barrel. 60 degree bolt throw. Double stack double feed box mag that can be locked in. Amazing trigger. I hope CZ makes a gen 2 to fix the interchangeable barrel safety issue.
@vortexnationpodcast 1:19:19 yeah there's a Major Admenedment needed a Left hand bolt
Agreed, that is the major decider of which guns I pick
Ditto. Winchester isn't making the model 70 in lefty anymore...
I have the Mossberg Patriot in .308 . It did better in the MDT LSS Gen 2 chassis.
I have the Mossberg MVP Thunder Ranch .308 W in Kuiu Camo with 20 inch medium bull barrel.
I have the Mossberg 590A1 SPX 12 ga,
And the Patriot Predator in 7 mm PRC.
The Patriot walnut and synth stocks, they have always had a problem with bedding because the mag well is is a shim and they will not fix the bedding. My 7 PRC is in an Oryx.
Another good budget rifle that I have is the TC Arms Compass II in .308 W. Aluminum pillar bedding and I later put it in an Oryx chassis.
So I’m new to rifles and hunting, would the 450 be best for me? And what scope
At 5:05 my mind said “that barrel is right at his arm”
At 5:07 he nonchalantly moves it away 😂😂❤
If there was a hinged floorplate option for the Ruger American gen II i would buy one today...
I feel the same, at least a more flush fitting magazine
@@msquared9605 more flush fitting would be ok but even if someone could figure out an aftermarket solution i would be ok with doing that. As far as I know there's nothing out there other than converting it to AICS.
@@kbowen2251 someone will, give it time. Somebody made a “bottom metal” conversion for the gen 1 ranch 7.62x39 to accept ak mags.
Also, aren’t the mags already aics compatible?
@@msquared9605 these ones are. The Gen 1 had to be converted over from what I can remember.
Sassy cow chocolate milk for the win! Dairy enthusiastic man here
Do you guys think a ruger american gen 1 is a good starting gun. It will be around a year till i can by my own gun
Left the best budget rifle out. Howa