This Tiny NAS Is FAST! - UGreen NASync Review
Вставка
- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- UGreen has launched a whole series of new Network Attached Storage NAS devices called UGreen NASync and in this review we are taking a look at the whole range, including the DXP4800 Plus, DXP8800 Plus and the all nvme flash DXP480T which is blazing fast. We will look at the hardware, how it works, setup, docker/apps, storage and much more in this review of the UGreen NASync series.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/...
If you'd like to support me and future projects:
Everything Presence One and other Smart Home devices:
shop.everythingsmart.io
Home Assistant Release Notes (beta):
rc.home-assistant.io/blog/202...
Patreon:
/ everythingsmarthome
Buy Me a Coffee:
www.buymeacoffee.com/EverySma...
Written Article:
everythingsmarthome.co.uk
EVERYWHERE YOU CAN FIND ME:
Shop:
shop.everythingsmart.io
Everything Smart Home Community Discord:
discord.everythingsmarthome.c...
Twitter: / everysmarthome (@EverySmartHome)
Instagram: / everythingsmarthome
Facebook: / everythingsmarthomeoff...
________________________
Some of the links above are affiliate links, where I earn a small commission if you click on the link and purchase an item. You are not obligated to do so, but it does help fund these videos in hopes of bringing value to you!
0:00 - Intro
0:32 - Models
1:24 - Hardware Design
2:54 - Hardware differences
8:05 - UGreenOS Pro
8:56 - Setup
9:38 - Setting up storage concern
11:58 - Creating files/folders
13:02 - Sharing data
13:52 - Snapshots
15:31 - Apps/Docker
17:01 - Mobile App
17:36 - Remote access + warning
19:27 - Backups
20:36 - Photos app
22:09 - Other OS's - Наука та технологія
What do you guys think of the new UGreen NASync series? Would you consider it for your next NAS?!
I'll be looking closelier at the comments 👀
Some weird proprietary OS and they have to "allow" me to run the OS I want on my own hardware? No thanks, I'm good.
Hard pass
You know if UGreen hadn't sent you these for review and you had to get one like us mere mortals through Kickstarter you would not have been able to? You live in the UK right? Well they are only available via KS in the US and Germany.
yup, I was actually quite interested in one of these but they'll only ship to the USA and Germany - so I can't
I think it's a bit harsh to criticise Lewis for reviewing a product in early access. It seems pretty likely to become a commercial product elsewhere given the interest on KS, just play the waiting game and pick one up in a few months...
Every youtuber got ugreen nases sent out it seems.
Yup, infomercial after infomercial. Cable TV is a viable option again...yay!!!!
That does tend to happen when a company has a product they want to show off, they send out lots of review units. I can understand the frustration from the viewer side that sub boxes get filled with the same things but also some reviewers have different perspectives so pros and cons I guess
But they barely sent anyone outside for testing its a shame
Do you have any idle power consumption once the disks spun down? Or did I miss it? 😳
I’ll wait until it’s properly released. I’m fed up of big companies using kickstarter when they don’t need to.
About the RAID+Btrfs, did you check if it's using BTRFS' own raid, or btrfs over mdadm ? The first option is the one having bad publicity, the second one has the same problem with write hole, but it's not because of btrfs. The only option I know not having this problem is zfs, but then you have a lot of other things (i.e. the FS is not able to mix different disk sizes in the same RAID (it will use it, but only the size of the smallest disk))
I remember back in the day, I think it was the late 1990s, me and a mate set up a file server for a small office which consisted of a 486 Linux box running Samba and we made a custom web interface using CGI and perl. They also wanted their printer to work over the network so we did some weird thing where windows would send a print request through samba and we routed it internally to LPR or something. It was so sketchy, we thought it was hilarous but it worked and the client was happy. We weren't really that serious about businesses, we were just having fun.
that casaos style web dashboard just reminded me of it.
Great video! I’m a total noob with NAS, and would love if you did a setup tutorial, especially showing how to use it to run Home Assistant.
Thanks appreciate it! Sure will consider it!
@@EverythingSmartHome If you release it in a month+ it should be right around the time people are supposed to start receiving them and would be a really useful guide.
Synology also uses BTRFS but uses the Linux RAID and not BTRFS RAID so it is possible that ugreen also does this.
Also for me it would be interesting if they open the NAS to other OSs
Ah thanks, I completely forgot about that! Will look into it.
Really intrigued by this NAS. I have currently a Synology DS918+, but compared to Synology the hardware of the Ugreen models, especially the two bigger ones really set them apart from Synology. Not only is the CPU a lot better, but also the 2.5gbe network is great.
The only thing that could be a deal breaker for me is the power consumption. Did you do any comparison between Synology and Ugreen?
I don't have a Synology to compare with sorry but do you know what your figures are on your unit? I can check if I get some time
I will stick with Synology for the time being. Meanwhile, well done to them. Genuinely impressed and I believe that if they continue at this pace, I will definitely consider one in the future.
I like how ugreen has every youtuber across the globe talking about their product when it's currently only available to US and Germany. Getting blue balled so hard right now.
Yes this seriously pissed me off too...considered using a mail forwarding company but the costs would make it pointless
If you were smart, you wouldn't care in the slightest about this junk. No blue balls necessary.
Boo, hiss...
Is it actually using Btrfs as raid? Synology uses md raid with btrfs on top. This could be doing the same? Check the mdraid status in terminal after creating the volumes.
is there a way to connect directly from pc to DXP480T and gain access? seems pointless if you can't if you need to change the wifi on the go or to different place Thanks
Yeah you could just plug network cable directly if that is what you meant
Looks like they got the last bit of exposure the day before the Kickstarter, although Lewis mentioned it would be available for a couple more weeks so not sure what happened there!
As far as the raid part goes (still watching) it's very likely that this ISN'T an issue at all. Given that they have you pick the raid before the filesystem and then support the raid even on ext4, it's likely that they are NOT using the native raid support in Btrfs and are using standard md-raid which is very reliable. That said this does mean you won't get a lot of the potential features of Btrfs as far as it being able to use the redundancy natively to recover data in certain scenarios (i.e. missed/corrupted writes to a disk). So I'd probably just go ahead and eschew using Btrfs in this scenario entirely and use ext4 because it'll have better performance and tooling comparatively.
For a version 1 product this seems like a monumental undertaking to get such a polished web interface plus the app library, all from scratch. Is there a company out there selling a boilerplate NAS interface that companies can purchase and customize? Or does UGreen actually have hundreds of people working on this for the last few years?
I'm not sure to be honest, but even getting such nice hardware done was impressive in itself!
Is there support for Virtual Machines on the higher spec units?
If not is this a feature they are looking to support?
Currently, UGOS has Docker. That's it, and the beta testers have been having mixed results with VM's.
Are they now allowing UK? When I looked at this earlier in the campaign they were only offering dispatch to US and Germany
I don't think so during the Kickstarter but for what it's worth, the unit is marked with the UKCA certification, so I would assume that it will come to the UK when it launches for real otherwise they wouldn't have bothered doing the certification.
Just my theory anyways
I'm awaiting my 4800Plus unit! Can't wait!
I think they use btrfs on mdadm which isn’t affected by your mentioned issues.
These things are hella expensive. They are right there with the companies who already figured things out and established their nasses. Not sure why considering this over a qnap, synology or ix-systems
Because shilling is a favorite youtuber pastime.
Might be worth stating you cant order it in the UK
in fact you can only order it a couple of countries...
Yeah I keep checking the kickstarter to no avail, turbo sad.
I emailed them a couple of times on this, they said that they will be releasing to other countries at a later date - but that will be after the Kickstarter fininshes, so basically if you are in US or Germany then get the discounted prices, the rest of the world can pay top whack. As you say - this should have been made clear in the video. Even on the KS page its buried in the FAQ or until you try and pledge. Another half-baked crowdfunding dick move.
Yes!!!
Why is the NAS not green?
because it's YOUgreen, not THEMgreen 💀
😂😂 amazing
@@raging666 just here to make sure this question was asked and answered
no rack models ?
Why is the all flash 480T limited to 4TB drives? On their specs it lists the Maximum as 4T*4.
I am not really sure if that is an actual limitation or just some wrong numbering / wrong marketing. I assume the marketing team just put some numbers down to demonstrate what it can hold, without understanding the topic. But I wonder too, because nobody has mentioned this yet.
The HDD bay also seem to be limited to 22TB per drive, yet there are some larger 24TB drives out there. And from a software level, there should nothing be in place that prevents higher capacity drives.
Hi guys, Im trying to into home automation. Moving to a new house in about 2 weeks. So far, I have a RaPi with Home assist installed...thats it...where do I start?
I’ve seen some other quite negative reviews of these drives and I have a lot of concerns.
Why the Kickstarter? Why can’t they just sell it normally? As you mention, they’re a very well established business.
It seems like a way to generate artificial scarcity, or maybe just not deliver the product at all, as is often the case with Kickstart.
Not being able to store my choice of (open source, publicly vetted) OS is a huge red flag to me. Like they really, really want you to give them that data.
Do you have to register? What information is it sending to China exactly? Did you do any testing to check network traffic?
Really no ZFS?
There’s a good chance these products are fine, but there’s an equally good chance the Chinese government has told them to hand over all their data and say nothing. I do think it would pay to be just a teeny bit more sceptical. You made a few assumptions about it being safe, but I think you should be a lot more cautious when people might have an entire lifetime’s worth of data on these things.
I'm not sure why lot's of large companies do kickstarters, I can only guess that it's a way to "safely" see how much appetite there is for such a product and give them an idea of how many units to produce. But just a guess. I don't like when established companies do it for what it's worth.
I completely understand regarding the privacy, I even specifically called it out in the video. Did you perhaps miss several key parts? Firstly I said that you can block the device from the internet and even the AI models work fine (after initial download), so you can use this thing completely offline. I also warned against using the remote access feature for this very reason because we don't know what is happening with the data, no assumption there. I said it gives me hope that they are doing the right thing, but avoid until more is known about it. Finally I mentioned you don't have to create a cloud account and it can be used completely with a local account.
I happened upon your channel as I searched for solutions for local Blink video storage. Rather than pay Amazon $110/annually to o have videos deleted after 60 days, l would prefer to store locally. Are you aware of a device that can plug into the USB-A port of the sync module to stream video locally to a NAS?
I'm not familiar with blink so I'm not sure sorry!
I backed a lot of Kickstarters, and I do like Ugreen in general. But the lack of an Alternative OS option is a no go for me. The hardware looks really nice and I would like you love to use it with TrueNas.
Totally get it, hopefully they will allow it!
There are some reports that custom OSes are USB bootable.
Thanks for showing us your big chonker!
I have to say that all of these units look reasonably priced.
I'm surprised that UGreen went to the effort of building their own OS when they could have shipped with TrueNAS / Open Media Vault / etc. but it does look nicely polished and probably easier user experience for the average user.
Personally I find recommending RAID 5 a bit dubious, and certainly in combination with btrfs. If butter doesn't kill you, then the rebuild time for RAID 5 will probably hose your data!
Just remember that the Kickstarter prices are much lower than the retail prices.
Since it's a PC I assumed I can install alt-OS. Kind of glad I didn't have the money to buy if if this wasn't clear
I'll stay with my Synology 723+
For those watching the day this was posted, it only has 14 hours left, so if you want to get in on the KS, do it fast!
As for the device itself, I'm excited for the hardware and hope the stand true to allowing other OS installs to really set themselves apart
Agreed, other OS's would be a game changer IMO!
I’m sure the biggest and hardest decision was to create their own operating system.
I think they are wrong with doing that because they have no idea what they are getting into in terms of support and maintenance
Also buyers have to gamble that the ugeeen OS team will be around for 20 years minimum
Hardware is very impressive though
Yup, the real question about these will be answered in 5-10 years time. If there will still be updates for it or if they'll just release new ones and ignore the old that will most likely be riddled with security holes by then (looking at you d-link and wd)... Until then I wouldn't touch them unless they actually do open them up for people to install their own software on them, that would have been smarter of them, to just release hardware for truenas, unraid etc than their own software.
@@Gelantious They have come out and said you can flash them with whatever other OS you want. The hardware warranty will still be covered, but they won’t be able to help with the OS if there is an issue. Not the best, but they did quickly walk back and said you are allowed to flash with whatever OS you want. I suspect many people that are more tech literate will end up doing this.
@@Gelantious100%
@@Gelantious100%. I agree totally
I think the idea of NVME is cool but aren't those devices not meant for extreme amount of read/writes?
Most people won't come close, if you look at an average SSD like for example the Crucial T500 1TB, it has 600TB write endurance and a 5 year warranty. I'd personally be more concerned about HDD endurance than I would SSD.
But of course,have good backups, buy good warranty drives and setup alerts should always be followed regardless 😅
@@EverythingSmartHome I think it depends highly on use case. I've got a couple of HDDs in a photo storage which is gets fairly regular use and the read/writes are fairly normal. I've got a Plex server where two of the HDDs are on 45TB writes. At the rate I'm going it'll take another 5 years or so by the time I hit 600TB writes and at that point the drives will probably need replacing anyway. I'd be very interested in switching to NVME purely for the speed aspect, however the price is offputting for now. I'd need about 100TB of them
@@EverythingSmartHome awesome! Great to hear.
Yeah exactly my point. Cost is generally the only reason to go HDD these days
Hey Lewis If they don't want it back n you not needing... 🤣 I'll gladly take the 4 bay.
😂 alright first dibs
@@EverythingSmartHome calling dibs on the nvme one 😆
Lewis 🤗 Fab content. Keep it coming, because it's great 🤩
Yeay a new NAS OS.....
Do a giveaway, you’ve got 3!
those prices look awesome till I currency convert lol
Perhaps they can make the OS dual bootable or something you can unplug and swap... usb3 key or something lol
I just hope they let you install another OS, then provide a download for UGreenOS for restoring to factory
If they announce official support for TrueNAS, I would immediately purchase one to be a low powered offsite backup at a family member's house. These are much nicer to look at than the hodgepodge hardware I run at home.
It already supports it. They won't announce official support lol, but you can install unraid, truenas etc onto it.
@@himboslice_you can install whatever you want, yes. But as Lewis said in the video, you currently lose all warranty support if you do so. That makes it a no for me unless they make that stance more flexible.
Well they have at least one thing going for them compared to frkin Synology and that is more 1gbit ethernet even in the affordable models
Butter fs? Let's call it for what it is, bastard fs ;) Theday i can install truenas on these i'll think about it :)
😂
Shame, here in the UK, you can’t by it… in the kickstarter pledge, they only ship to USA and Germany! Makes no sense???
I would never run this with its native software for obvious security and privacy reasons. Open source NAS software would be my first choice. The hardware looks solid.
Sure I get it. But equally you can run this completely cut off from the internet without issue as mentioned in the video.
I'm confident we will see other OS's working on here at some point, one way or another 😅
considering 90% of your audience is in UK: how do you propose them to buy it? just asking...
He doesn't care. He got his free stuff. All these youtubers pumping up something that isn't available yet (kickstarter doesn't even end until tomorrow). Sketchy.
Don't bother, for a NAS you want support and a warranty. Synology support is excellent, though this company is unknown and based in a country infamous for not giving a shit about quality control.
My audience is no way 90% based in the UK, far from it actually, not sure where you got your 90% stat from? The UK isn't my biggest audience by a long way.
No one is pumping up anything or making videos because they got free stuff. I'm a reviewer, it's a device I'm very interested in personally, so I reviewed it because lots of others are interested in it too and I hope it can help them with their buying decisions. Relax.
I'm very happy with my ASUSTOR AS6702T, especially over my older Synology NAS.. The OS is much more user friendly
I think it is sort of stupid to develop your own software when truenas is so robust.. is it possible to install truenas?
Kickstarter.
Does that mean proceed with caution? Kickstarter projects not reliable?
@@venerbleIMO big firm using Kickstarter is a red flag, they should have money to just build them and sell normally.
@@venerble Never heard of a big company rug pulling on Kickstarter, but always be cautious
A NAS is too critical to be an early adopter for. I'll stick with Synology for now.
A hell no on remote access..
If you decide to donate one of those (4 disk)😂 let me know. I'll pay shipping and hack it for TrueNAS or something.
😂 it's definitely on the cards to load TrueNAS onto it!
They have been over priced for ever.
You had me interested until you said it was Chinese.
o yea 640 $ to 1000$ fro a box .... man this is no ock man ..adn it is a dula core ,waaaw hell no man ! ... pls microsoft wek up !!! ..o mai good thsi is so ron in so mney weys .shit !
Love most of your videos but can't stand videos like this that all the UA-camrs are peddilng. I stopped watching.
Can you elaborate more? I get (as a viewer myself) it can be annoying to have loads of videos on the same day of the same product but I don't believe this video came out the same day as anyone else's.
It's also not "peddling" (of course entitled to your opinion), it's just a review. I am a reviewer, it's a product that a company sent for review that I happen to be extremely interested in (HomeLab stuff), and according to the Kickstarter numbers lots of others are too. I reviewed it because I'm interested in it and I hope it can inform other people's buying decisions one way or another
I don't personally care if people buy it or not, there is zero incentive for me to "peddle", it wasn't paid, I don't get commission, and I didn't even use any affiliate links in the description.
Not hating, genuinely curious as to why you thought that. Look up some of my previous reviews, I have zero issues reviewing negatively if I feel a product is bad.
Long-term storage with no ECC memory, no thanks. Especially in a flash device of which the medium is so much more volatile. Great job jumping on the sellout bandwagon for garbage NAS' catering to a segment of the market best described as the lowest common denominator.
CHINESE NAS??? NO THANKS. MUCH BETTER TO BUY CHEAP SERVER MOTHERBOARD THAT SUPPORTS ECC RAM, OLD INTEL CPU SUPPORTING ECC RAM, AND WRITE XPENOLOGY INTO IT. CHEAP AND 1000X BETTER THAN ANY CHINESE CRAP, THAT IS PRICED LIKE SYNOLOGY. For NAS IMO most important part is OS. not hardware. And w eknow how chinese 'good' with updates... Creates unstable crap and then 2 years does updates...never fixed nothing and dumps the product, makes v2 and forgets about v1 even existed :D
But i should tell that UI looks sexy in UGREEN.
You should spend money on a new keyboard instead of a NAS
PARDON?
🎉🎉🎉 if I could like your comment a million times I would, Lewis😂
@@EverythingSmartHome But he has a point. In China the law is structured so that every company effectively reports to the government. Does that sound like a solid foundation to a NAS? There's a good reason governments have been ditching Huawei from their infrastructure. If you want this NAS, keep an eye on your traffic and see how often it reports back to the mothership 😉
Well as long as the bios isn’t malware i think it’s fine with some other os like turenas.