Is Christianity False if Judaism is False?
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Someone recently sent me a question asking how #Christianity can be true if #Judaism is false because isn't Christianity contingent upon Judaism?
You might be thinking that Judaism is a cause that eventually led to Christianity and in a causal sequence, if you remove an earlier cause, you don’t get the later strands of the sequence, right?
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I think a conversation with EMJ is in order. Logos is rising indeed.
We need more videos like this, people must stop linking modern Judaism with Biblical Judaism.
Absolutely - people need to stop linking the biblical Israel the modern state too. Indeed - I think many Jews themselves have no real link to ancient Israel.
@@Hereticalable true
Milo was raised Catholic and returned to his faith eight or so years ago
He lives with his gay black boyfriend.
I believe Milo's a lifelong Catholic. He has been straightforward about not living in accordance with the faith while still claiming to believe it.
I was in a telegram group with him when he stopped living with the man he was with and went cold turkey, his convictions had caught up with him and he finally started to walk the walk, and not just talk the talk
Milo's ethnically Jewish though his mother, but he was raised Catholic.
@@billxciiiAny clue what strand? Orthodox? Or just culturally jewish?
@@sethn1094ethnically. Neither religious nor culture since he was raised Catholic. Like the commenter above you said. :)
He's a grifter who believes in nothing, per his own words.
Paradoxically, for me another very convincing fact is that the majority of the Jewish people have... rejected Christ - which fulfills the prophecy in Isaiah 53.
Isaiah 53:6 and Jeremiah 31:37 are both true at the same time.
I call it proto-protestantism.
"Barba tenus sapientes"
Latin quote, which means "Wise as far as his beard"
Protestant here regarding the jab against us around 2:00. Protestants do not deny the necessity of the church for passing along the scriptures, but we do deny that she possesses in herself infallible authority. The church of course can pass along the words of God, which are infallible, without having the same authority as the holy spirit that inspired them. Like a child who writes down a message from her mother to give to her teacher, the child is necessary for transmission but is not causitive of the note, nor does she possess the same authority that the mother has. Hope this provides some clarity!
"Oh thanks for having the authority and wisdom to create our perfect book, now we will go start our own church(es) because you aren't authoritative" 🙄
Yes the infallible church somehow determined what constitutes god-breathed Scripture. 🤦 Completely illogical and not historical. Revisionist history.
Its clear that this argument is much worse than I previously thought. Thank you.
@@rnhmbover63 what’s wrong with my analogy?
This is a very controversial topic--though it shouldn't be. The Judaism of the old testament (the old "covenant") has finished. Christ, the LOGOS, replaced it with a new covenant, but those who did not want to give up the old covenant now openly and actively reject LOGOS. EMJ, anyone?
Who cares? Every non christian religion "rejects the Logos" from your pov and are hellbound so why sperg out and hyper focus on Jews? Durr EMJ have you even read his book half of it is about non jews
Well said. E.Michael Jones is the only man who is not afraid to tell the truth.
Saints Luke and Paul were both scholars and well educated, just saying.
Thank you so much for discussing this in such detail. Id been pondering this question for a very long time
Excellent podcast...thank you!
Thank you so much. that was so interesting.
So as a catholic do you approve the new popes inclusions and the Sunday now his climate Sunday...
You did a much better job answering this than Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin ever have. Thank you for the clarifications
The amount of prophesy in the Old Testament that came true, especially in the time of Jesus Christ, is insane. Historically confirmed prophesy.
Please can you make a video about doubts and how to handle it in a world full of so many voices and confusion?
Fascinating. I didn’t know any of that. Well, of course I knew the Temple had been destroyed in 70 AD, but I didn’t know why people argue that modern Judaism has lost much of its continuity with OT practices/beliefs.
Just so y’all know, the Talmud is a book containing conversations/sayings of Rabbis. They give their two cents regarding scripture(usually) and other things. These rabbis even contradict each other.
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And thr talmud is full of disgusting evil things. Look up what it says about where Jesus is now and what's happening to Him there. And it calls Our Lady terrible, slanderous things.
Always amazing content
There is also the wealth of Second Temple literature, that rabbinic Judaism does not recognize and intentionally ignores because of the messianic themes that were so prevalent before and during the time of Jesus..
Great stuff man
Depends on if it’s Jewish traditions or beliefs before or after the Messiah?
Nothing is technically wrong with this explanation, but it’s the typically wrong framing a convert-seeking religion would impose on a system that is not concerned with conversion. When you grasp this you realize it’s apples and oranges. Rabbinic Judaism is not concerned with the things Christianity is at the deeper theological levels. That’s the place to start. The purpose of these two systems are different. Christianity is for saving the world for eternity. Rabbinic Judaism exists to save the Jewish corporal people (successfully I might add) for the Eschaton.
Rabbinic Judaism is concerned with a temporal (worldly) kingdom. They killed Christ because he would not deliver on their political desires. It is not concerned with gentiles converting Judaism but it is concerned with gentiles submitting to the seven Noahide laws, which include international Jewish courts.
Great Job Brian. More brave Catholics on this platform please. Let's stop playing dodgeball!
Did Christ preach his ministry to Jews or gentiles?
Both. Jews first, Gentiles later. :)
@@feliciab5019 In which gentile city did he enter?
@@bmc8871Jesus preached mostly in Judea and Galilee which was mostly Jewish but had gentile people as well. One of them was the Roman governor Pontius Pilate who gave the order to crucify Jesus. It was really after Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven that the disciples began to preach to other nations, especially Paul. If you read the entire book of Acts you'll see
@@everetunknown5890 Yes, I've read Acts. And the Gospels. Pilate did not want to crucify Jesus. He did so because the Jews insisted on it and he feared their power. The disciples "blessed all nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" because Christ commanded them to do so.
@@feliciab5019They were Israelites or hebrews. A Jew is from the tribe of Judah. Jesus was of the Tribe of Judah, there were other tribes.
Very informative thanks!
Really good video man.
Thanks!
Judaism IS false though. Judaism rejects Christ Jesus, hence it is false.
Brian always got the drip
That was helpful and good video
While having just started the video a few seconds ago, the answer depends on what is meant by "Judaism".
Watching this before the juice scrub this off of youtube
do eastern catholics have to recognize all the ecumenical councils and the catechism of the catholic church?
yes, otherwise they are not in communion
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Do the have the same Creed?
@@physiocrat7143yes they have the same Creed. The Latin Church has a local adaptation of the same Creed which inserts the word "Filioque"
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So fundamentally different conceptions of the Trinity exist within the same communion. Hmm.
@@physiocrat7143 They aren't fundamentally different. Check out the decisions of the Council of Florence.
Judaism isn’t false. It just came to an end after Jesus Christ died for our sins.
The problem is in how we define Judaism.
If by Judaism we mean the Faith of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Samuel, etc, then no, Judaism isn't false, it's clearly true. I would argue that it did not in fact end, but continues today in the Catholic Church in an unbroken continuity going back to the the Patriarchs.
However, if we mean the claims and practices of the sect of Jews who rejected, and continue to reject, Christ, as opposed to those who accepted the fulfillment, perfection and telos of the Faith of Abraham, et al, then yes, this thing called Judaism is a false religion as it refuses to come to it's logical conclusion in Christ.
I think even though it started one way it's ending much differently. I would say that one religion accepts the fact and the other does not, ultimately you cannot say those collective people have done necessarily good things for other people in fact a lot of what they're doing is hurting people. God in his infinite mercy is Jewish and became Jewish to fulfill the prophecy, this is actually one of the conversations that I would like to have with God. I would say the people you know of the past are not the same of these people of the present these are two distinct different ideologies that form a collective identity.
If you want proof read revelation | apocalypse you will find it in chapter 3.
I am back like I never left oh ya!
Howd those disputations end? And why?
And what of the zohar and kabbalah?
Few more things for interested parties to learn about and compare what you find to Christianity.
Ive been looking into Kabbalah the past few days. It explains the different names of God, like El, Elohim, Tzaboath, Adonai, etc. There is a lot we are missing in singular translation to God, only. As well as it explains things like why Job has 3 daughters and 7 sons. Lots of stuff we are missing. I wouldnt say its important to the faith. But its important if you are interested in cosmology, structure, and mathematics.
@@oodo2908 Kabbalah is just Jewish Gnosticism, so it's a double heresy. I wouldn't trust it.
@@oodo2908 yea its good to learn about the underpinnings of satanism and masonry. gotta know your enemy somewhat
The religions of Judaism and Christianity claim to be from Abraham, but ARE both false as they are hypocrical as neither follow the Torah of Abraham.
Jews before Jesus were required not to sin, Born Again Jews since Jesus died also are required not to sin, the requirement is the Torah of Abraham.
I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.
Brian Holdsworth talking about the Talmud? Yep, that's based
I feel as though Jesus' ressurection affirm(ed) Judaism. He fulfilled Jewish prophecy after all
So why no peace ?
It didn't "affirm Judaism;" it fulfilled the law and prophets.
@@theoldsaxon6484 What’s the difference between?
@@theoldsaxon6484 I'm not sure I see a difference. God made a temporary covenant with Abraham and his descendents - that covenant was Judaism. Jesus came, bringing in the new covenant, which is the Gospel of Christianity.
@@mindblow404 Precisely. "The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."
Brian is not saying there is no connection between Judaism and Christianity. He is stating essentially what you are. He posits a distinction between the ancient Judaism of the time before Christ and the current Rabbinical or Talmudic form.
It would seem to me that your portrayal both of "Judaism" and of "Christianity" fails to grasp the essence of any true religion through the vague and inconsistent use of these terms, for example this video does not stand this litmus test:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5: 17-18)
Or again, St Paul writes in Romans 11:
"I ask, then, has God rejected his people? Of course not! For I too am an Israelite...
God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew...
Hence I ask, did they stumble so as to fall? Of course not! But through their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make them jealous.
Now if their transgression is enrichment for the world, and if their diminished number is enrichment for the Gentiles, how much more their full number.
Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I glory in my ministry in order to make my race jealous and thus save some of them.
For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
If the firstfruits are holy, so is the whole batch of dough; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place and have come to share in the rich root of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. If you do boast, consider that you do not support the root; the root supports you.
Indeed you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
That is so. They were broken off because of unbelief, but you are there because of faith. So do not become haughty, but stand in awe.
For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you either.
See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.
And they also, if they do not remain in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated one, how much more will they who belong to it by nature be grafted back into their own olive tree.
I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not become wise in your own estimation: a hardening has come upon Israel in part, until the full number of the Gentiles comes in, and thus all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come out of Zion, he will turn away godlessness from Jacob; and this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
In respect to the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but in respect to election, they are beloved because of the patriarchs.
For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.
Just as you once disobeyed God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience, so they have now disobeyed in order that, by virtue of the mercy shown to you, they too may now receive mercy.
For God delivered all to disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.
Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How inscrutable are his judgments and how unsearchable his ways!
"For who has known the mind of the Lord or who has been his counselor?"
"Or who has given him anything that he may be repaid?"
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen."
Is this not a sounder teaching with more effective analogies?
The Church didn't give us the bible. God did, through.... *drum roll* NOT THE CHURCH, but THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE IT DOWN. The Church as an institution is NOT the same thing as the collective body of followers of Christ. That's the fallacy of Catholicism. Catholics pretend that the Church as an INSTITUTION is important, rather than Church as Jesus meant it as the collective of all Christians. The Roman Catholic Church does NOT represent the full body of Christianity, hence it is a SECT and NOT the universal Church it claims to be.
Christ is King. ✝️
Ummm so aren't they Israelites or Hebrews? There are 12 tribes, one is the tribe of Judah. Jews are strictly from 1 of 12 tribes.
Judaism is true. It’s the only other faith where one can say it is true. And while it is true, Judaism lacks the fullness of Gods Word. When a Jew becomes a Christian it is not a conversion but rather an acceptance for the emitiere of the Word of God. There Bible like there faith IS true.
Milo is not ethnically Jewish, and is a devout Catholic. Most notably, he’s a former homosexual who has consecrated his life to St. Joseph.
According to his Wikipedia article, his mother was Jewish, which would make him ethnically Jewish.
The Hebrew people brutally crucified Jesus through the Romans. CATHOLICISM IS THE NEW COVENANT AND CHRISTIANS ARE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE.
Blood libel
No, some of them did. Not all of them. Their leadership. All the first Christians were Jews.
Ol' Milo might want to take a minute and read the Catechism or stop pretending to be Catholic.
Shared Faith in One God: The Jewish faith, like Christianity, is monotheistic, worshipping the one true God, whom Christians recognize as the same God revealed through Christ. Catholics see their faith as a continuation and fulfillment of the Jewish faith, not a rejection of it (CCC 841).
Respect and Dialogue: The Church encourages respectful dialogue with the Jewish people, recognizing their historical and theological significance. The Catechism also condemns any form of antisemitism, emphasizing the need for reconciliation and understanding between Jews and Christians (CCC 839-840).
Antisemitism is very popular these days
Rabbinical Jewish teaching on King David's adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of her husband Uriah is quite different from the Christian view of this powerful story of sin and repentance. For Rabbinical Judaism, David did nothing wrong; Bathsheba was technically divorced while her husband was at war and Uriah deserved death for disobeying the King's order to go sleep with his wife. If you doubt this, go look it up.
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Sorry but to claim The Talmud is a compendium of Jewish doctrine like the Jewish version of Ott or Denzinger is comically false. The Talmud is a compilation of of legal arguments on how to apply the Law of Moses. It contains argument and counter arguments. The problem with the disputations of Paris was the authorities did not read the Talmud according to the rules of Halaakah, That is like reading the Summa without knowing Scholastic Philosophy & misreading it. The Catholic authorities where idiots.
Yer wrong Brian. As is Milo.
I’m not an expert and I could be wrong, but from what I have studied, supersessionism makes more logical sense than fulfilment theology. It’s also worth noting that the Catholic Church regarded supersessionism as valid and true all the way up until Vatican II.
Interesting. Never knew about this distinction before. I guess, in the end, the outcome is still the same. I would maybe guess that fulfillment is more "diplomatic"?
@@bushy9780 I think Vatican II can be a controversial topic among Catholics, but it does seem, to me at least, that the Church abandoned the supersessionism position for the fulfilment theology position to be more politically correct.
@@gameover_LGOr how about theologically correct?
@@johnphipps4105 it very well could be. But then one would have to admit that previous doctors of the church like Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas, as well as previous popes and church fathers, were wrong over the past nearly two millennia. But like I said, I’m not an expert, and maybe upon further research and prayerful contemplation, I might come to change my mind. However, in this moment, supersessionism makes the most sense to me.
What is supersessionism?
How can it be false ?
If so Christianity must be too.
Watch the video...
Um... "the church" did not create the Bible. The Bible comes from time before the split between Orthodox-Catholic, followed by the further split of Catholic-Lutheran-Anglican-Presbyterian-Protestant....
So, the church created the bible
The books of the Bible were compiled together into one book by St. Jerome in the fourth century. They were written in the first century by the leadership of the church
Well, back to European Paganism.
It is NOT clear the Josuha's in the Talmud are Jesus. They often appear either a century before Jesus or a century after him. We know from acts there other teachers named Jesus whoa re heretics.Acts 13:6-12.
Rabbinic Judaism is Old Testament Judaism as it comes from the Pharisees whom Jesus said succeeded Moses. The issue is NOT Rabbinic vs Old Testament Judaism which is the true Judaism(which is really a Protestant mentality if you ask me and a Protestant distinction). Rather the issue is does the New Testament succeed and fulfill Judaism and shouldn't Jews believe in Jesus? That answer to that is yes.