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Mike piloted Winota really well in game 1! Game 2... Keeping a hand with no card advantage and non-Humans is questionable but the curve is there. The problem is that you are held hostage by your topdecks for non-Humans. Greg Deluging the Drannith was a bad idea I would say.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG It's cool, speaking as a Winota player, I've suffer through that myself when I'm in games with Selesnya players who jam out turn 1 Dranniths. It takes a lot of aggressive mulling to make Winota work, that and you need a really good reason to cast Winota turn 1 and that reason better be "I have a hasty attacker." Otherwise, people just re-calibrate and plan their interaction suite.
Also wouldn't have mattered because Shaun would've still had infinite mana into Kinnan. Having access to Thrasios wouldn't have changed the outcome of that game. Just forgot he had the March. Whoops, Magic is hard.
Neat games! I'm really impressed with the regularity at which you release videos. Nice Winota pilot, Krarkashima was less lucky this time, and ... well; Vial scares people, apparently.
Shaun here. Greg maintains the deck database list for curious control. He is an absolute master of the deck with over 400 games under his belt. Mike, Noah, and myself all have extensive experience playing against Greg and know to respect the deck. The most common way you lose to it is allowing multiple card draw engines to stay in play. You generally are ok with the first engine, but once he untaps with the second card draw engine he will draw enough cards to police the rest of the table. Because of this, you need to disrupt these engines, hence why we went so hard after his Vial Smasher with a curiosity effect on it.
@@spielrahoo ha yeah that make sense even if, tbh, y'all seem like decent pilot at your own deck generally ;) I agree that Vial had to be removed but the player being removed from the game was ultra fast too :D
I think there was a miscalculation in the second game on shauns turn. He only used 1 treasure that sacs for 2 mana + 2 life to pay for a phyrexian metamorph. So he shouldnt have really had that treasure to interreact with the march on noahs turn. Hate to be that one guy in the comments but usually i dont catch these in your videos.
Shaun here. The mana dork also tapped for 2 mana with Kinnan out, only 1 of which was used to cast the dockside. The other floating mana went into the metamorph, so that's where the third mana came from.
I wish I had more people in my community with this kind of good, healthy and respectful manners to tell you things like that. Usually are quite egotistical and confrontational
I play okaun//zndrsplt competitively, and switch over 67 cards to my Mr and Mr. Thumbless deck, I've never had more fun playing commander than I've had Rollin dice and ruining dreams in MTG
i also have a thrassion-smasher deck and greg's deck has some inclusions i dont understand like rashmi, sygg and consecrated sphynx are they still playable by todays CEDH standards?
Idk how I feel about rashmi but I’d argue that since his deck is very damage based, sygg is understandable, and consecrated sphinx is just preference. They’re all good enough to play but could easily be cut for something else too.
Rashmi lets you trigger vial smasher for 1 spell if you hit a target with rashmi, sygg combos nice with vial smasher keeping your hand filled, consecrated is just good card draw and some nice damage from vial smasher 🤷🏼♂️
Game 2. Why T/B pilot can even cast March of Swirling Mist with Prelate on 1? Prelate looks on mana value, not cmc in stack. So X in mana cost doesn't matter and it's still 1 mana spell
Thats not quite right. Mana value is the new term for CMC, they mean exactly the same thing. When you play an X spell, whatever you pay for X is included in the mana value. In this case, X = 3, so the total mana value of the March is 4, making it a legal play.
Wait, if a permanent transforms, it's not re-entering the battlefield. When Brutal Cathar transformed, Dockside Extortionist shouldn't have been exiled.
Great games as always but... can we get like one cEDH video with non-traditional commanders? Like idk, i would like to see you guys try to create a cEDH with weird or interesting commanders. I'm kinda tired of always seeing the same Tharasios decks or the same Sakashima or Tymna, etc. Just an opinion, not trying to do controversy here
We have a huge history of non-conventional commanders on the channel. We like to show both the strong and the non-conventional. Right now we are showing the powerful commanders, and we will return to non-conventional here in the near future.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Thanks for the response. Yes, I know you guys have shown non-conventional cEDH decks in the past. I've been a follower for 2 years, but I kinda get the feeling that it has been a while since we got one of those videos. Either way, I appreciate the response and I hope to see more games in the future :)
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG the stax pieces where only on board for one turn then got flame sweeped away . After that it was just a sanctum prelate on 2 and a drannith that’s not very stax heavy lol was not very much interaction or anything being played everyone must have had a hand full of two drops and only their commanders to play
@@Brooks0511 Shaun here. I can't speak for Noah or Greg, but I was stuck on lands for a long time that game. I actually had the win in hand until Mike flipped the Brutal Cathar and removed my Thrasios. After that, my relatively low mana count and his stax pieces did the rest.
I did when it was all about T&T Flash Hulk. But Flash is no more, and now there are plenty of cards to play in each color (though white is still trailing behind). Personally, I'm enjoying Malcolm the most among all partner commanders. He stands out 'cause he's actually out there gettin' it in on the field and is integral to the fast wincon with Buccaneer. Thrasios is quite bland in comparison. He feels like a game piece vs. a *Commander.* This is why I was not very enthused by partner commanders. Thrasios and Tymna especially are often just there for the colors and card draw utility.
Gregg is sooooooooooooooo dumb for not playing op agent, either turn one, and get at least two lands or, at least held it up turn 2 and when spellseeker was cast he could have stole the search! Wow, big thumbs down for this!
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"Krarkashima make a lot of Krark. Big storm. Win game."
March of Swirling is so good. We play it in casual games with my playgroup and it just does so much!
*Sees Krark*
_He can't keep getting away with it!_
I've been subscribed to the channel for a while and I love the consistency of the content. Really clean narration, perfect speed/pacing, good humor, and easy to see layout. Thanks for making this content.
I would have been March of Swirling PISSED knowing there was no way to break the combo. What a smart tutor.
Mike piloted Winota really well in game 1! Game 2... Keeping a hand with no card advantage and non-Humans is questionable but the curve is there. The problem is that you are held hostage by your topdecks for non-Humans. Greg Deluging the Drannith was a bad idea I would say.
I think he got tunnel vision from an early Winota drop.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG It's cool, speaking as a Winota player, I've suffer through that myself when I'm in games with Selesnya players who jam out turn 1 Dranniths. It takes a lot of aggressive mulling to make Winota work, that and you need a really good reason to cast Winota turn 1 and that reason better be "I have a hasty attacker." Otherwise, people just re-calibrate and plan their interaction suite.
Also wouldn't have mattered because Shaun would've still had infinite mana into Kinnan. Having access to Thrasios wouldn't have changed the outcome of that game. Just forgot he had the March. Whoops, Magic is hard.
think there might've been a misplay with Shatterskull Smashing in game 1, as it deals X damage divided between the two targets, not X damage to each
Love it when my girl Winota out here doing her thing
Yes!!!! The 69,420 made a comeback! Very nice! T.y. for keeping that great number going. ;)
Noah has a Slay the Spire playmat, and that's super cool. Good job, Noah.
A Sygg appearance always makes a good video.
Mike gg for game one, love to see wins with combat damage, keep it going
Note to self: Add March to every blue deck
Salute to Noah for attempting Stifle!
Great games :) March of Swirling is underrated card in my opinion. GO! Winota! GO!
Very exited for the potential of brutal cathar in winota ❤️
Neat games! I'm really impressed with the regularity at which you release videos.
Nice Winota pilot, Krarkashima was less lucky this time, and ... well; Vial scares people, apparently.
Shaun here. Greg maintains the deck database list for curious control. He is an absolute master of the deck with over 400 games under his belt. Mike, Noah, and myself all have extensive experience playing against Greg and know to respect the deck. The most common way you lose to it is allowing multiple card draw engines to stay in play. You generally are ok with the first engine, but once he untaps with the second card draw engine he will draw enough cards to police the rest of the table. Because of this, you need to disrupt these engines, hence why we went so hard after his Vial Smasher with a curiosity effect on it.
@@spielrahoo ha yeah that make sense even if, tbh, y'all seem like decent pilot at your own deck generally ;) I agree that Vial had to be removed but the player being removed from the game was ultra fast too :D
Thanks PWP for convincing me to rebuy Krarkashima (just the commanders) so I can have fun again
Krark/Saka is my one and only cedh deck and its bloody fun to pilot! But it needs ton of skills to dont fuck it up constantly :dd
I love all 4 of these decks, good games
Both games win with combat damage,that's my favorite number? GG everyone this what I like to see
I think there was a miscalculation in the second game on shauns turn. He only used 1 treasure that sacs for 2 mana + 2 life to pay for a phyrexian metamorph. So he shouldnt have really had that treasure to interreact with the march on noahs turn. Hate to be that one guy in the comments but usually i dont catch these in your videos.
Your not the only one
Shaun here. The mana dork also tapped for 2 mana with Kinnan out, only 1 of which was used to cast the dockside. The other floating mana went into the metamorph, so that's where the third mana came from.
@@spielrahoo I just rewatched it and yeah you're right. 🤡
I wish I had more people in my community with this kind of good, healthy and respectful manners to tell you things like that. Usually are quite egotistical and confrontational
I love running tasha's hideous laughter in my krark Saka deck. It's a cheeky win if you get lucky enough
Can someone please explain to me where the mana for the march came from? Shaun should have not had any treasures left after the Emiel, right?
Will you guys be showcasing games from any of the recent command fests?
He casts finale where x=69,420. Well done
I play okaun//zndrsplt competitively, and switch over 67 cards to my Mr and Mr. Thumbless deck, I've never had more fun playing commander than I've had Rollin dice and ruining dreams in MTG
March of Swirling Mist is SO good
First game Prelate naming 2 , then immediately casts Drannith Magistrate, Devoted Druid, Dockside and more. What am I missing here ?
Prelate only stops noncreature spells.
Pregame shout out: go krakashima!
So close... I really want a game where Stifle actually matters. Like countering a Dockside or an Oracle.
I see it almost weekly in my meta, it's great.
In game2, maybe it's better for Greg to hold his OPPOSITON AGENT and ready for flashing it at the very beginning of the game?
Yup thats right. 69420 just enough to end the game. 😂
i also have a thrassion-smasher deck and greg's deck has some inclusions i dont understand like rashmi, sygg and consecrated sphynx are they still playable by todays CEDH standards?
Idk how I feel about rashmi but I’d argue that since his deck is very damage based, sygg is understandable, and consecrated sphinx is just preference. They’re all good enough to play but could easily be cut for something else too.
Rashmi lets you trigger vial smasher for 1 spell if you hit a target with rashmi, sygg combos nice with vial smasher keeping your hand filled, consecrated is just good card draw and some nice damage from vial smasher 🤷🏼♂️
I maintain the Curio Control Primer. Don't mind me and my cracked-out choices. Every card is cEDH viable with the right mindset.
@@passprioritypodcast ok greg
Very nice
Nice.
More thrasios bruse please !!
That first game felt like nobody respected Winota. The Chain of Vapor should have been held to hit Winota.
Was weird to see the lack of interaction with that wild board state lol
Flame sweep does not kill flyers. I think Mike's aven mind sensor should have stayed out in game 1.
only the casters flyers are safe
@@omerastrahan4952 ah thanks I missed that
That Greg guy seems a little sus. Great games otherwise though
Sixty-nine thousand four hundred twenty.
Game 2. Why T/B pilot can even cast March of Swirling Mist with Prelate on 1? Prelate looks on mana value, not cmc in stack. So X in mana cost doesn't matter and it's still 1 mana spell
Thats not quite right. Mana value is the new term for CMC, they mean exactly the same thing. When you play an X spell, whatever you pay for X is included in the mana value. In this case, X = 3, so the total mana value of the March is 4, making it a legal play.
Wait, if a permanent transforms, it's not re-entering the battlefield. When Brutal Cathar transformed, Dockside Extortionist shouldn't have been exiled.
It’s a specific condition of brutal cathar. It’s specifically says when it transforms too.
Oh my goodness. I apparently couldn't read last night. Sorry about that.
if we could see the match with out the person explaning it i think it would do better because the voice over ruins it for me
There are plenty of other channels that offer that type of gameplay. This is our style. It’s not for everyone and that’s okay.
nice video, but have a pre game action, kskksks
"X=69420" 😎
Great games as always but... can we get like one cEDH video with non-traditional commanders? Like idk, i would like to see you guys try to create a cEDH with weird or interesting commanders. I'm kinda tired of always seeing the same Tharasios decks or the same Sakashima or Tymna, etc. Just an opinion, not trying to do controversy here
We have a huge history of non-conventional commanders on the channel. We like to show both the strong and the non-conventional. Right now we are showing the powerful commanders, and we will return to non-conventional here in the near future.
they've done quite a few of those tbh, just the last video featured Esika and Atsushi as commanders
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Thanks for the response. Yes, I know you guys have shown non-conventional cEDH decks in the past. I've been a follower for 2 years, but I kinda get the feeling that it has been a while since we got one of those videos. Either way, I appreciate the response and I hope to see more games in the future :)
That first game most of them hardly did anything besides winota player
Stax does that to a pod.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG the stax pieces where only on board for one turn then got flame sweeped away . After that it was just a sanctum prelate on 2 and a drannith that’s not very stax heavy lol was not very much interaction or anything being played everyone must have had a hand full of two drops and only their commanders to play
@@Brooks0511 Shaun here. I can't speak for Noah or Greg, but I was stuck on lands for a long time that game. I actually had the win in hand until Mike flipped the Brutal Cathar and removed my Thrasios. After that, my relatively low mana count and his stax pieces did the rest.
@@spielrahoo yea I seen you where mana screwed that was brutal
@@spielrahoo I figure the prelate was locking y’all out
69,420....nice
69,420 hehe
Nice
69420
Anyone else a little frustrated by the sheer number of partners? I’m getting sick of seeing at least 2 every game. Sad state of the format :(
If they were unique partners it would be fine. But I feel like I see Thrasios and other two color partner commanders way too much
Not really. Cedh is a format of maximizing opportunity, and so it makes sense
I did when it was all about T&T Flash Hulk. But Flash is no more, and now there are plenty of cards to play in each color (though white is still trailing behind).
Personally, I'm enjoying Malcolm the most among all partner commanders. He stands out 'cause he's actually out there gettin' it in on the field and is integral to the fast wincon with Buccaneer. Thrasios is quite bland in comparison. He feels like a game piece vs. a *Commander.* This is why I was not very enthused by partner commanders. Thrasios and Tymna especially are often just there for the colors and card draw utility.
First :D
i whole heartedly believe infinite mana is BS
Gregg is sooooooooooooooo dumb for not playing op agent, either turn one, and get at least two lands or, at least held it up turn 2 and when spellseeker was cast he could have stole the search! Wow, big thumbs down for this!