@@grief_hammer this news of your disposition being categorised as "fine" both warms and elates me. i will see you soon in a room and you will likely reciprocate
time of orchids' sarcast while and kayo dot's debut were what got me exploring tzadik in the 00s, and how i discovered your music. guys like you, toby, chuck, mario, et al were the pattons in my life who opened the window to the history of experimental music and made me an avant head for life. thanks for being a part of that.
It's not just music - Zorn was my window into so many different art forms. I learned about Marcel Duchamp, Agnes Martin, Marguerite Duras, Jean Genet, Maya Deren, Harry Smith - all through his musical tributes to them!
Spooky synchronicity with an almost identically termed conversation I've been having with myself inwardly, similarly centred around Zorn, regarding the aesthetic properties of being a composer who does gigs and records. My biggest revelation from the whole thing was that I could compose and curate gigs for jazz or rock groups I didn't play in and not have to take my name off it. Soothing to hear this thought process echoed in someone else.
Nicholas Collins played his weird electronic trombone in the version ripped from vhs on youtube. His snippets of writing from his time with Tudor are under rated.
The feeling you had when you first experienced 'Cobra', was quite a similiar experience I had when I saw Zs play "Hard", back in 2006 at the Avant Gentlemen's Lodge in Philadelphia; that ending was the greatest!
I personally much much prefer the melodic Tzadik stuff. Ive listened to tons of the strange stuff, but the stuff i go back to is his Filmworks, Gnostic Trio, Masada, Barchoba Sextet and such. He's amazing, but I just can't enjoy most experimental stuff unless it really develops a good atmosphere. Stuff like Hemophiliac, Execution Ground, Cobra are not pleasant to me..id probably enjoy it alot to see it live. But recordings, not my thing
Zorn used to be my hero, but then I realized his "radical" Jewish culture concept doesn't include recognition of mere existence of Palestinian question, not to mention occupation and apartheid. He has been called out for it over the years by respectful people like Elliott Sharp and Fred Ho.
I mean, i don't like Zionism either, but this is so meaningless to me. Sorry, Wagner is still a great composer, and so is Zorn. Music is way deeper than politics. But even if not deeper, it's unrelated
I was a heavily obsessed Zorn fan and into all the obscure shit. He was my favorite composer/musician since I was a teen but this matter has really been the end of it for me. He was vocal on the Ukraine situation enough to do benefit concerts but nothing when it comes to the genocide of Palestine. It affirms a prejudice that I've deep down sensed from him for years but was afraid to confront because I worshiped him musically. His upcoming album about fucking T.E. Lawrence (may he burn in hell if there is one) really is the nail in the coffin for me, Zorn loves colonialism and imperialism, so much of his work is about rich upper class sadists and presenting them as the underdogs. He is about people who use their privilege, rather than standing up for the oppressed. As much as he has inspired and influenced me as a musician and composer, I cannot get behind him anymore. Fuck John Zorn.
@@Brynbraughton "Music is way deeper than politics" - such a peak centrist self-aggrandizing statement. Music is only "way deeper than politics" when it is something you agree with. Takes one to know one. Music is an outgrowth of politics and is almost always deeply related to it, whether it's obvious on the surface or not.
Immediately googled to ensure Zorn was fine.
Lol
I love Zorn to the bottom of my heart, may we get at least another 20 years of masterpieces out of him
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@@mxlxok3483 yes matthew i am fine
@@grief_hammer this news of your disposition being categorised as "fine" both warms and elates me. i will see you soon in a room and you will likely reciprocate
time of orchids' sarcast while and kayo dot's debut were what got me exploring tzadik in the 00s, and how i discovered your music. guys like you, toby, chuck, mario, et al were the pattons in my life who opened the window to the history of experimental music and made me an avant head for life. thanks for being a part of that.
Damn, that means tons to hear. Truly. Thank you for saying so.
It's not just music - Zorn was my window into so many different art forms. I learned about Marcel Duchamp, Agnes Martin, Marguerite Duras, Jean Genet, Maya Deren, Harry Smith - all through his musical tributes to them!
I love Zorn's production work on the first Mr. Bungle album. He really helped create a world that is at once vibrant, mischievous, and colorful.
NEED this Feldman T-Shirt Charlie!!!!!! Totally with you on the Zorn love!!!!!!!! 🖤
Got into Tzadik by way of Kayo Dot. It opened me up to so much new great music.
Hell yeah, the music of John Zorn and Mike Patton have gotten me to get my ass moving before too. Love this.
Spooky synchronicity with an almost identically termed conversation I've been having with myself inwardly, similarly centred around Zorn, regarding the aesthetic properties of being a composer who does gigs and records. My biggest revelation from the whole thing was that I could compose and curate gigs for jazz or rock groups I didn't play in and not have to take my name off it. Soothing to hear this thought process echoed in someone else.
Nicholas Collins played his weird electronic trombone in the version ripped from vhs on youtube. His snippets of writing from his time with Tudor are under rated.
A fellow Pattonite, but don't forget Ribot
love the Feldman shirt
The feeling you had when you first experienced 'Cobra', was quite a similiar experience I had when I saw Zs play "Hard", back in 2006 at the Avant Gentlemen's Lodge in Philadelphia; that ending was the greatest!
Great video! Love Cobra but my favorite game piece is Xu Feng. Juat wish the six drummer version had been recorded.
if i wuz chuck ida done the same chatty john zorn acolyte peace to your mutha
I personally much much prefer the melodic Tzadik stuff. Ive listened to tons of the strange stuff, but the stuff i go back to is his Filmworks, Gnostic Trio, Masada, Barchoba Sextet and such. He's amazing, but I just can't enjoy most experimental stuff unless it really develops a good atmosphere.
Stuff like Hemophiliac, Execution Ground, Cobra are not pleasant to me..id probably enjoy it alot to see it live. But recordings, not my thing
Zorn used to be my hero, but then I realized his "radical" Jewish culture concept doesn't include recognition of mere existence of Palestinian question, not to mention occupation and apartheid. He has been called out for it over the years by respectful people like Elliott Sharp and Fred Ho.
I swear I remember him saying he wasn't a zionist in an old interview this is so disappointing to hear
I mean, i don't like Zionism either, but this is so meaningless to me.
Sorry, Wagner is still a great composer, and so is Zorn. Music is way deeper than politics. But even if not deeper, it's unrelated
I was a heavily obsessed Zorn fan and into all the obscure shit. He was my favorite composer/musician since I was a teen but this matter has really been the end of it for me.
He was vocal on the Ukraine situation enough to do benefit concerts but nothing when it comes to the genocide of Palestine. It affirms a prejudice that I've deep down sensed from him for years but was afraid to confront because I worshiped him musically. His upcoming album about fucking T.E. Lawrence (may he burn in hell if there is one) really is the nail in the coffin for me, Zorn loves colonialism and imperialism, so much of his work is about rich upper class sadists and presenting them as the underdogs. He is about people who use their privilege, rather than standing up for the oppressed.
As much as he has inspired and influenced me as a musician and composer, I cannot get behind him anymore. Fuck John Zorn.
@@Brynbraughton "Music is way deeper than politics" - such a peak centrist self-aggrandizing statement. Music is only "way deeper than politics" when it is something you agree with. Takes one to know one.
Music is an outgrowth of politics and is almost always deeply related to it, whether it's obvious on the surface or not.