Scanner Radio Encryption, Can I listen to encrypted communications on my scanner radio
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- An explanation of if you can listen to encrypted communication/frequencies on your scanner radio, Your out of luck.
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You’re absolutely right. If it’s encoded to a specific system you can hear it as long as you can receive the same system - if it’s encrypted no chance and even if you did have equipment to pick it up, you have to have a security key and good luck with that.
It's called PATENT and it's illegal to duplicate although it can be done. Our police use Micro Wave communications.
is it possible to change that "noise encrypted voice" to just a beep sound?
We need more police agency transparency Marion County Ohio is going back from encryption to a clear dispatch channel for routine operations while keeping their tactical channels encrypted that’s the way it should be in all agencies as long as the police have a place to talk tactical movements the normal dispatch should stay in the clear that’s transparency that’s America
Reality: Any situation can turn into a "tactical" situation in a moment's notice. All kind of information that would be useful to a criminal is available on regular dispatch channels. Just the fact that the police are even responding to a location holds enormous tactical importance. If a bad guy is holding up a bank/store and he hears the police have been dispatched, he has an advantage. I was a scanner buff in my youth, but as a cop of 25 years who has been involved in no less than three situations where a felony suspect used a scanner to aid him in his crimes (including one in which I pursued a shooting suspect on foot, alone in a trailer park), I don't support unencrypted radio. Fortunately about 10 years ago all agencies in my county went full encrypted on all channels, including dispatch.
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 I respectfully disagree with you, even though I am not a on Forssman officer I do monitor our local PD and others in the area and find that having transparency and unencrypted channels allow those who are in the scanner hobby to monitor and be apprised of situations concerning them in their neighborhoods and respectfully I am still waiting for hard facts statistical information showing that having main dispatch encryption leads to more officers being put in danger than not having encrypted main channel encryption of course I understand that having a tactical encryption is totally Warranted but in my opinion unless there’s some sort of national statistics on this I feel that encryption only helps to hinder in the guise of transparency for the common public on the landline if you had large and feel it should not be an issue it hasn’t been the issue when everything was analog so why should a PA I’ll cry and the issue now or when we have more important things to worry about a.k.a. George Floyd and Brianna Taylor I wonder where those transmissions encrypted they made a difference even if they were not included I don’t think so thank you
@@bearbullcruising6427 Nothing about either of those situations came to light because of radio traffic.
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 Pig
@@shindrithargriethrat8408totally agree with you ..i am a radio enthusiast, i have had some scrapes with law enforcement myself and even ended up in prison before turning my life around . I agree that any situation can become tactical i've seen it happen with my own eyes and i believe that the good cops should not be jeapordised , not everyone listening to these devices does so without a sinister intention .
Here in the UK weve had TETRA Airwave which was rolled out with final installs around 2006 . We got on with it plenty of Airband , Marine , Security and other bits and.pieces to listen to . Encryption here seperated the boys from the men as a proper enthusiast wont whinge about encryption they will adapt around it .
Lastly we are our own worst enemy with places such as broadcastify and social media platforms , folk sharing videos of private talk groups and colour codes are the same ones whinging about comms being switched off or encrypted . The retort is always "we got the frequencies from ofcom" (or some other govt affiliated site). Just because the govt acknowledge parts of the allocated spectrum dont make it right live streaming comms showing every Tom , Dick and Tony private comms and TGs .
Yeah so i totally agree with your point . It kinda gets my goat the whole 'Dont want it listened to , encrypt it " especially when there is no common sense applied to the likes of discretion and who else outwith the enthusiast community may be listening .
Just a question? Can we get copies of all (or most) encrypted radio traffic through state or federal Freedom of Information Acts?
Depends on the state. Where I live you have to go to court and prove a valid reason why you need it. (Which is a bunch of crock).
@@Fantazier1 Thank you.
In my state you can get it, but it's going to cost you money for the time and media to do it.
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 Thanks.
If by any chance I could get ahold of the decryption key for a particular channel, can it be entered into the SDS100 or any other digital scanner like the Whistler TRX-1?
NO
Well please tell me how I am going to listen to all the agencies that I want to listen to that are encrypted. I want to let you share this information with everyone. Make sure you are very clear.
Steve
I live in a city of 300,000 Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada. Here it is encrypted. But on Sunday for about 2 hours they turn it off for updates and changes that yes I can hear very clear. But that is because the encrypted part is turned off.
Larry, youre the smartest RR fan I've never met :D.
Does that mean they're basically updating the encryption key. That makes sense.
Yes, they can throw that switch anytime they wish..... I know about that.
@@jamess1787 Yes, Larry is being honest but your sarcasm is childish......
Or perhaps you know someone who works at the shop (in my area Motorola owns such a shop) that sells and installs the equipment (body worn radios also) in new police vehicles. Money talks. And it can speak the language necessary to obtain encryption keys.
what i did was when i was in NJ i was able to listen to a agency that was encrypted but i had to buy a radio that was like 1200 dollars on ebay. i had to speak to someone who was in charge to do a background checks and sign a NDA (non-disclosure agreement) and could not disclose or have the radio heard on certain channels as there was sensitive information like CID and also DET channels i agree the infomation would be used internally (need to know basis with in the LE.) with them only and would not divulged anything heard you have to really know someone who is in the high up Rank to do its more then one then just the chief you have to talk to and EM department also was involved in this process its like someone who is trying to do news company like fox or CNN but the channels i was listening to with authorization of these parties and really could not tell anyone i knew because if that info got out i can face charges that is fed level but yea it was interesting 🤔😳 the stuff i heard though again cant mention 😂
Sounds interesting. So with permission a person can get a device to listen to encrypted transmissions.
Highly doubtful, entertaining read though
@@Nicks_Thrift_Picks Can a person somehow acquire a scanner that enables listening encrypted communications?
You can acquire a scanner all day long. You just need access… over the air authentication. Challenge response kinda thing. Think of it like a finger print scanner. Without the key you can’t get access and you need to ask for the key nicely
Stop telling lies lad
I have a pro-197 digital trunking scanner. I've been told the Sheriff's office switched to NEXEDGE. Why won't this scanner still work for this system?
There's about ten different digital standards
How do U clear up the encrypted station..what do U use?...can I get this on a analogue FM Band scanner radio
Again, you cannot decode encrypted communications with a scanner, there are no scanners that can do this, your out of luck
well if there is nothing you can do to decrypt the encripted transmitions how can you get a radio that they use that use?
You Don't for get about it
If you get an encrypted radio from police, could you get the special key off the radio and add it to you’re own radio?
How are you going to get a radio from the police ??? and no it's not one encrypted key, the keys are changed on the fly all day long.
@@stevestdenis7884 was just wondering how hard they made it is all.
@@stevestdenis7884 hes asking for a friend
No, it’s impossible to recover the key from an individual radio. That’s a safety measure to prevent just what you’re talking about. There’s also something called OTAR. The system administrator, radio dispatch, etc., will send out a new key over the air occasionally. All radios assigned to the system will get a new key and it’ll be seamless to those in the field. If a radio is stolen, or lost, the radio is removed from the system, if on a TRS, and a new key sent OTAR.
It sure is! But it'd be quite technologically challenging to your average person. To a government or specialist company though, probably fairly trivial? That said, I'm sure there are plenty of unpublished vulnerabilities in the encryption implementations of many of these newer gen encrypted systems. You're not gonna break AES, but that's never the way in anyway. You leverage gaps in how AES is being used.
I do not know of a scanner any where that can decifer encrypted radio at all. It has been said that SDR with extra software add ons can . I am looking into that myself but have not found a working system yet. They will keep us gaining an understanding and a education if nothing else. . No scanner can do that.
If that was anywhere near being possible, the radio scanner listening community would have known about that software 8 minutes after it was released.
For dmr and p25 , dsd-fme can dump the voice frames as hexadecimal format and coupled with knowledge of the encryption used and what to do with the voice frames it is very possible for a home crypto enthusiast to decrypt 40 bit rc4 or 56 bit DES-OFB.
Thats why AES should be the standard.
I am curious about listening to scrambled, specifically non public safety, like marine radios and business radios have a scramble function, if I pay 500 dollars for a scanner can I listen to a 30 dollar scrambled walkie talkie
In short, no. Not legally anyway. No off the shelf plug n play equipment that’ll do that. If you’re smart enough to accomplish it, all by your lonesome, you could write your own ticket working for the NSA.
@@dereklea1183 I’m about to buy some Chinese radios with a scramble function, time to learn more, thanks for the info
@@jakemccain9825 - Not all scramble functions work across the board equally. Do some research on the different types of encryption out there, one size doesn’t fit all. The Chines radios you mentioned, if they’re brand A (Baofeng, Anytone) and you attempt to use them with brand B (TYT, Tytera) they won’t be compatible even if using the same key, if that’s even possible. And if you happen to try and listen to an encrypted signal, you’ll have a full time job on your hands 24/7/365 trying to figure out the key they’re using.
The Chinese radios you mentioned probably only allow encryption when using a digital mode. Marine frequencies are analog, the encryption in the Chinese radio won’t work unless it’s in digital mode and must be the same type the marine radio operator is using.
weird question. You can buy a digital scanner and listen to scrambled signals of encrypted radios if you wanted to but why would you want to? Its a bunch of noise.
You would need a voice inversion decrambler. I think there is a phone app that can do that.
Great video breakdown Steve
Thank you Michael
That was my next point I was going to bring up that's how the criminals will basically listen to the police calls by cracking the key. That's right I said it they would crack the key and basically they can do major damage. But as for right now basically encryption works anyway.
The keys are changed randomly with Over the air authentication. There isn’t just 1 key. So no they don’t crack it. Most likely they’ll “borrow” a scanner from a cop…
That's not true.
What scanner is in the video?
Uniden SDS100 Scanner
How about SDR? Hash cracking?
for basic key encryption it's possible ua-cam.com/video/rTQi8B86d98/v-deo.html
@@wassimmenjah3965 - I’m the BS flag on that play. All I saw was someone randomly select keys from a pull down menu. Show me REAL proof of decrypting a signal vs. selecting a key from a known list.
@@dereklea1183 See Louis-Erig Herve. He has a clip showing moto basic privacy being decided on DSD. 👍
@@DMRBruteForcer how about P25 phase I?
@@TheMW2informer There is no P25 here in the UK so impossible to test. The BP program works if you code the necessary files correctly, but that’s for DMR and not P25.
AOR make scanners that are “government level” meaning they pick up encrypted transmissions. You need a special permit to be able to buy one.
RTL SDR and DSDPlus or SDRTrunk would be possible to listening those encrypted comm ?
NO it will not decode encryption,
Steve
very good info your explanation was very detailed. Thank You
Your welcome, to bad there is really no way to get buy the encryption problem, take care and enjoy your scanner, Steve
Sure there is!
Double speed playback is not fast enough
If I know the key can I listen to the voice?
NO
There IS. It’s called a cell phone. If a cell phone can do it, a scanner can do it.
Please tak the time and tell us in detail how you can listen to encrypted systems with a cell phone, can't wait for you to explain this
this is so funny. Thanks for the laugh. Cell phones are completely encrypted.
@@Hax0rZ1
Cellphones have backdoors since they've been around.
GSM has been broken in several ways and UMTS or LTE as lots of "bugs"...
How can you find out if your local channels around your area are encrypted?
It would have a capital E to signify that it's completely encrypted
@@waterquasar on what?
So I do agree with you . But as for it being illegal to do that depends on where you are . Me being in Canada. The law is a bit different. We can listen to whatever is in the airwaves where we live. As long as you do not alter and or interfere with it. And as long as you do not tell more than two people what you have heard. It is a hobby and we are getting an education just to keep up.
That does not pertain to encrypted signals, I am from Canada also and it's still against the law to decrypt and listen to these signals.
Ok I could be behind about 10 years. And that's why nobody wants to come out and talk about it . I am going to start getting into SDR . Get into cell phone listening.
@@larryhicks9093 Someone who is also a Canadian and has no idea how any of these radios work but is interested in listening to police frequency's (trunked/encrypted) whatever you call it, is it still possible? What equipment is needed? Of course just as a hobby.
@@SimulatorsStudio If it it only trunked that is very easy to be able to listen to . With the new scanners. The only way that I can hear my police . Is when they turn the encryption system off to do updates. Which is on Sunday morning.
@@larryhicks9093 Ah cheers , first off how do I know if a department is encrypted and what scanners would you recommend?
Try cracking the Tetra TEA2 encryption algorithm, as its impossible with all of its authentication protocols in place.
Steve I'm glad you know about encryption more than I do but I'll tell you what if all scanners are not going to be able to pick up encrypted frequencies then we're going to have a very very serious problem because in my mind criminals will figure out a way to basically find out where law enforcement is whether the radios are encrypted or not because to tell you the truth if somebody's law enforcement agencies go through with their plan to encrypt their Police radios then this is going to create a problem basically newsrooms across the country will not be informing anybody with those encrypted radios they'll have to do it the old-fashioned way. And this is why I am saying right now that there are concerns about that and I have a big concern about it myself true because this is going to basically tell us that we can't listen to police calls that's a shame. But you know what it might be all said and done and it might be all well and good. But, there are major concerns. As a matter of fact I just found out a few months back Portland did the same thing Oregon that is all of Portland's radios are encrypted now all of them so you cannot only pick up Portland Police scanner radio traffic but you can only pick up Multnomah county instead they're not encrypted yet but pretty soon every law enforcement agency in the country will be totally encrypted and that's got major concerns. Especially for people like me. Because I can tell you right now it's a go ahead and do this? Things are going to get real nasty. And it's going to get real bad. Because criminals will figure out a way to listening to the police calls whether they're encrypted or not.
A lot is done on laptops and not much is done on the radio anyway in some areas. A lot of criminals these days don’t sit around and listen to a scanner to “know” where the cops are. Most cruiser contracts today are equipped with gps built in so dispatch if equipped can see where each asset is in real time. So they may say over the radio we have a call for you check your laptop or whatever they call it.
Fire has headed that way as well in some bigger cities.
@@willdunham6724 i work for a large municipality. Not in pd but in electrical emergency services. They quit using radios all together around the time when I started, and just use text messages on phones to dispatch. Occasionally pd dispatch or water depart dispatch will call. But we dont have any radios anymore. They are big and cluncky and arnt really useful unless there is a real emergency like a natural disaster or something. Realistically only a HF radio would do anygood in a real emergency either way and no one really has those. Even the older radios needed a tower and dispatch center which could bring the whole thing down if it ever went out. Digital only makes sense from a tactical perspective. You use encrypted radio comms when you are in an area where your enemy operates. If We the people are the enemy, then something is very wrong
@@trakeC I understand but a lot of things over the air don’t need to be said. Going Enroute, some other things, they can’t get rid of everything. Things that have to happen in real time have to have a human interaction, not just press a button. Some places people are following responders and what not. If you know how to listen and what to listen on you can figure out what’s going on around you!!!
@@willdunham6724 ya. I live in a small town in a different county. I listen to the local pd at home. But i cant listen to the pd in the area where I work because its encrypted. I dont think it should be. The ticket system we use handles most calls. It assigns non emergency tickets to areas in different departments. Then the people in that area assign the ticket to show they are en route. But from a needing back up or going to an emergency its handled from a person for sure
@@trakeC I understand that. Some counties don’t like sending personal identifiable information over the air as just about anyone with the right equipment can hear who just got pulled over and name dob and what not. Nice to know about bigger incidents around you but policies keeping peoples info protected should be a priority. A lot can be done with that info.
We can thank all those running around with a police scanner while breaking the laws, for this encryption! Now they can take down drug dealers etc......
Supposed to be able to listen to any signal, especially if it's our tax dollars paying for it
Exactly. This is the government turning on us and getting away with it. Some cases have been won to get transmissions public.@@fifthlomat717
Well, they're not doing a very good job taking down all these supposed "drug dealers" with all this modern technology that they have. In my opinion, if we're paying for this, we should have access to it. The last thing I remember is the taxpayers are still paying for all of this.
Right, so we are getting it from both ends.@@Ma007rk
i think there are worse issues in the world than drug dealers
Sdr can "decifer" encrypted. There are all kinds of systems that can assist
Please take the time and explain how to setup SDR to listen to encrypted communications, please give details, what sdr your using and how to go about this.
I would also like to know how to be able to decode the encryption.
larryufo123@gmail.com
@@larryhicks9093 Hi Larry Don't expect any useful information On how to do this, from experience I know of no way of doing this that would be helpful to anyone. And also even if there was a way it's illegal.
@@stevestdenis7884 It is only illegal if you go tell others . Just don't brag about it .
How?
Who would know of the European digital police radio systems and how to hack in and listen in to them today? who is an authority on the digital radio system RAKEL is a system based on a digital standard TETRA "Terrestrial Trunked Radio" which is used within the EU for "blue light systems". The frequency band is 380 to 395 MHz.
anyone that know about this and who on UA-cam that is great authority on educating in this system?
please let me know, is my passion to understand radio networks and smart phone hacking. Am not a criminal, but is passion about this tech and like to learn and understand.
thanks!
Most EU Countries use Tetra which uses the TEA2 encryption algorithm which is extremely secure with all the authentication protocols in place.
It will never be hacked/broken by a member of the public.
after very little search on UA-cam it shows it been hacked since ten year back and many times the vulnerabilities been exposed.... so not sure what fantasy world you live in?@@jamiemoo2000
You can get encrypted signals but it needs to be set up by IT of the PD you want to receive if PD approved it
That's funny cuz with my SDR and a computer I can decrypt anything I want granted depending on how fast your computer is it may be slightly off real time but it's still possible
ok please tells us all how this is done, you took the time to tell us now give us the information we need to do it, also provide the information on the service (ie) police fire or what, what city is it in what county and the information on the encrypted service you are listening to. Can't Wait to get all the information from you and I'm sure all other people are waiting too. Oh PS I have a SDR and a really fast computer.
Hack rf one? Rtl sdr?
Anything you want eh? As Alan Turing once said of Enigma: “Any schoolboy with an AM kit is capable of receiving the messages; the trick is they’re encrypted”
_If you have the right key_, of course it will be in near-real time as any computer in the last decade has hardware support for for all modern ciphers including AES (though software implementations are fast enough).
If you don’t have the key and they’re using say, AES256 encryption, it is so strong that -> "If every atom on earth (about 1.3 * 10^50 atoms) was a computer that could try ten billion keys a second, it would still take about 2.84 billion years." The actual number of possibilities is 115,792,089,237,316,195,423,570,985,008,687,907,853,269,984,665,640,564,039,457,584,007,913,129,639,936. Good luck breaking that with your “really fast l337 h4x0r computer”.
Anyone that has found a weakness in AES or OTAR would not be bragging about it on UA-cam, and if you’re bragging about breaking the weaker ciphers, you’re about 2 decades late to the party.
Don’t be a troll.
@@attribute-4677 You never try to break AES. You break the specific implementation.
Some people think they are so cool because they have a SDR and play with it. I run a broadcastify feed for my local county simulcast. I built the trunking scanner myself. If you had a million years you wouldnt be able to break a AES 256 bit encrypted transmission. Now if you were a government of a country and had access to a $100 million super computer and had a programmer who is an expert in communications write some code I'm sure it can be done. But you with the SDR you will have to resort to listening to garbled transmissions.
It's illegal for emergency services to encrypt radio signals. Unless it's for special purposes temporary but they get away with it.
Stop telling lies lad
You can listen to the frequency channels all you want. Use a spectrum analyser, could even figure out the FSHH just need to decrypt it with the correct keys. Quantum computers can probably crack it relatively quick
Stop telling lies lad
Quantum computer? Yeah... I may have one of those laying around here somewhere. 🤦♂️
They're not using FHSS, Einstein.
@@rfi-cryptolab4251why not use a few mainframes if you’re in the business and know encryption and set your mainframe/s up to crack that you’ll be on your way; however the encryption is probably modulating and would have changed by then
@@hugoh.9694 even if you had one you need to keep it cool...like to -459 degrees Fahrenheit...
My brother in law works for NASA and opened up my scanner, now I can hear everything!!
how can I get in touch w your B-I-L?I have a Radio Shack Pro 2067 , 500 ch like brand new and cannot listen to ANYTHING other than NWS...TY in advance!
@Ripper Face Sorry but he's presently busy working on the Space Shuttle.
@@daveharmon8674 thats ok, i be working on Hubble so maybe we bump into 1another...js..
@@sinnerface1😂
😂😂😂😂
So basically steal a cop radio lmao
NO, if you do that all they will do is turn it into a brick, there is a chip in all radios to shut them down they will stop working and while you are trying to figure out what is going on there is also another chip inside all radio, it's a GPS chip. And the police can track the radio and arrest you for theft.
@@stevestdenis7884 what gps chip and what electricity for that chip?
2 funny things about this 1. They can gps locate the radio, 2. They can brick the radio over the air before you can use it. 3. You cant access the radio because the programming is locked 4. Go to jail. Like that shop lifting lady on the news that thought she would never be caught was arrested.
@@TheTAEclub you could take the battery out but what are you going to do with it after that? The moment it's powered up its bricked over the air after it was located on gps plus it cannot be read on a cps programming because its protected.
We've been dealing with encryption for years in the UK with TETRA airwave and now the new ESN phone system.
Imo we are our own worst enemy posting videos of talk groups and radio ids over the Web.
While a lot of users may not mind this and even participate. You have to think of the importance of emergency services and private data. They would be daft not to encrypt their comms these days.
Imagine walking into work on Monday morning and seeingwhat you thought was your workers private comms splattered all over FB?.
As I said, we are out own worst enemy.. Her in Scotland UK we have made do with small business /amateur dmr marine, airband for years now. Plenty of interesting stuff especially when you track it using sdr with ais / ADSB programs.
Nice video thanks for sharing
Thanks for the post, I totally agree with you statement. In Canada the law was you can listen to anything on your scanner except encrypted communications as long as you do not talk about it and divulge any information, but times changed with the internet and every were you look people are passing on what they hear, and this is one of the reasons everyone is encrypting their communications down this way now in Canada
How to tell if there encrypted or simulcast I find hard to believe all these outside agencies especially analog can even hear or assist that city if encrypted so I feel this encrypted shit is bs n they went from digital p25 to p25 simulcast which 95% of scanner can't receive it no encrypted jus trying to get 2 signals at once n why the gurgling crap especially if u have 2 dispatchers using the system make sense don't it ur scanner is locked on a tower while there signal is jumping towers n scanner says wtf is going on there are only 3 as of now that pick up simulcast explains why everyone thinks there encrypted...not hard jus like when they left analog to digital did everyone scream oh no they are encrypted now I bet they did
If a system goes encrypted, it should be know that most encrypted systems have DEFAULT channel assignments.
First of locate the Control Channel - they have distinctive digital sounds. Take a portable transceiver, tune the transmitter to the control channel and blast away. All receivers within distance of your jamming transmitter will be disabled then users will be automatically be switched to CLEAR VOICE, or Dispatch will switch them to CLEAR VOICE.
P25 has been cracked. SDR equipment is best for monitoring channels / systems of interest.
Nothing funnier than watching a Cop losing the ability to call home.
Whilst you are about, jam the GPS - that disables the Cop's "Come Here" facilities.
Dafuq you talking about? How the holy Hell would you be able to purchase a transmitter capable of jamming a data control channel with enough RF power to accomplish that? BTW, encryption doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t “default” to anything unless something has happened to the radio physically. Some portable radios will lose their encryption key if the battery is removed for an extended period for example.
Forgot to add, P25 doesn’t need to be “cracked” as its a modulation scheme that’s been around for 30(?) years.
@@dereklea1183
Some systems would go to clear mode when a carrier went into the channel (UK system for exemple), but not the case with every syatem now.
Interlaced jamming renders the system inoperative and is very difficult to spot...