SMT V ~ Vengeance - Transcended Lord of Chaos, Lucifer (Low Level [83], Hard, Path of Creation)
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Technically, level 83 is the lowest I can get and this EXP doesn't really affect much as this is the last fight, but it's still worth noting out that I did finish Pixie on the Case and She Who Rules the Night after I've reached 80 so I'm kind of violating rule 2... I really tried to not use Strategize throughout the whole run, but it seems like this is where I have to broke that unspoken rule specificially. I'm probably gonna add these two to my additional EXP taken in the Vengeance run.
Strategy will be in the comment section, because of description's word limits.
Rules:
1) Hard difficulty, New Game. Godborn difficulty is bullshit for Low Level.
2) This run aims for FULL completion of Talismans and Abscesses (which is not "true low level" for many of you people, so go cry about it on /smtg/) on the Transcended Lucifer route with the intention of defeating Demi-fiend; minimizing EXP gain before Shiva level gate as much as possible.
However, as Talisman/Abscesses are very minor and not interesting in general, there will be no recording of the fight as it's very similar to base V, so the run will focus ONLY on the mandatory fights, unless stated otherwise.
3) Allowing Macca cheats (and certain items that can be farmed via navigator) to minimize grinding as much as possible as well as allowing Grimoires to be used, but banning the usage of EXP/Macca/Glory DLC, and Gospels. This will also ban the usage of the DLC items you received at the beginning of the game. Statues are naturally banned.
5) All essences are allowed on Nahobino. Incenses/balm or miracle that alters demons/Nahobino stats are not allowed. [July 2nd, 2024: Also, no Sutra allowed.]
6) [NEW - June 28th, 2024] Restricting the use of Accursed Poison in recorded runs. This skill HAS been nerfed, HAS been readjusted so now it's not as broken as it was before, however, the effect it has can still turns the tide of a fight significantly - therefore it will be banned, and depending on how Demi-fiend goes, this can be lifted SPECIFICIALLY for that fight.
7) [NEW - June 28th, 2024] Banning the usage of Fiend demons and old DLC demons (Cleopatra; Artemis; Mephisto).
8) [NEW - July 1st, 2024] For the sake of "no bullshit", RNG-related Miracles such as Skill Manifestation is disallowed. - Ігри
You tried and did it that’s what counts congratulations.
Just watched the whole thing (well not exacly i'm watchimg the crsdits as i'm writing this) but huge kudos amd congratulations on completing the challenge run, it was awesome!!
I haven’t watched the whole video ofc, but I suspect it will be pretty entertaining. Good job beating him, maybe I should try too.
Congrats. You cooked hard
I may have some things I want to say/ask, but; I get the vibe that you're absolutely sick of both the repeated attempts at the fight, and the commenters who effectively told you to "git gud" while completely misunderstanding the rules (or even the entire point) of the challenge run.
Regardless, GG!
Oh, you can ask away. I'm doing Vengeance right now, and meddling with the life stuff so I'm not paying much attention to any of these comments.
Bro what in the hell is this game 😳
would kms if i had to do this, good shit
Well, I hope that once you start CoV, you could use my vids as a bit of a point of reference when doing the low level run. Cuz man I am very underleveled starting from the Yuzuru fight
Absolutely lol, I check everyone's vids all the time.
Since you did a low level run for both vengeance and the original, how would you review the modified level scaling? Is vengeance in the same basket as other entries like 4,3 and strange journey when it comes to it?
The difference between Vengeance and Original is painstakingly hilarious to look at. Bosses that took ages to take down now dies in a matter of minutes with like 13 levels of difference. On the other hand, this turns every fight into pure stat check simply because bosses hit even harder than before and something that used to be survivable with -2/+0 is now a death sentence even with -2/+2 because everything now weighs on stats more than level difference. Which is sad, because Vitality used to be a stat that increases your health rather than affecting your defense. I like this game, but I don't like the excessive changes outside of level scaling. Transcended Lucifer is a boss that is regarded to be easier than Shiva, but now he's just harder compare to Shiva but in the worst way possible. In my honest opinion, Low Level challenge was always core of what makes SMT so good due to its gameplay and everything requires you to use a brain to beat rather than mindlessly dumping 999 on all stats and build your team around the strongest and most broken endgame demons, then call it a day. That mindset needs to fuck off right back to Persona. Persona 5 really ruined a lots of people's perspective on SMT when they started playing this game.
@@YurificationTrademark I hated the level scaling in vanilla 5 because it destroyed one of the main reasons why enjoy the gameplay of the series and that is combat that is mostly strategy dependent to the point of being able to finish a boss fight tens of levels under the boss’s level so it’s a bummer to hear that the underlying problem is still in VV
I wouldn't let the skill issue elitists get to you too much. They probably couldn't even get close to winning if they tried low level with a lot of the restrictions you had. Also nice job and i am sorry you had to accept a hollow victory. Hopefully whenever we get SMTVI they take what worked with vengeance and improve it and rework stuff that didn't. Also I really wish they made a new Etrian Odyssey game already. I get its probably gonna be hard to translate the dungeon mapping the series uses to a console but i don't want such a great series to die off because handhelds no longer exist and i get that a new one likely wasn't made yet cause the team was also busy helping with vengeance and also clearly didn't get much say in game balance and mechanics.
I don't think about it too much. Honestly my videos suddenly become popular out of nowhere worries me, but this is a challenge I do that is mostly for my enjoyment and finding my limits in SMT so I don't give a shit about these
After the so-called pro gamers that are UA-cam commenters start boasting about how I have severe skill issue and git gud, I decided to finally cave in and get Strategize and Tzitzimitl fusion to make this fight actually doable, because Shield of God is super unreliable overall and actually drags out the fight longer.
Transcended Lucifer is now a piece of shit, as I've said: Nothing in his kit has really changed, he gains two new innate skills in phase 1,3 and 2 respectively and the WORST of all: Star HP changes. For every single morons who says "it makes Lucifer hard now" I want you to shut the fuck up because all of you fight him at level 99 with demons that are straight up broken and on top of that uses incenses/balm so you deal shit tons of damage even without buff/debuff anyways, this is a low level challenge run, get the fuck out of my sight.
I've developed scum strats to basically ignore phase 1 gimmick and phase 3 gimmick, pretty much makes the fight less bullshit to deal with, but it's still very annoying. Phase 1 is simple: Taunt on a fodder demon when the stars come out. Ideally finishing phase 1 in two star cycles would be nice, but sometimes three cycles happen, but not much can be done about it. The first star is scripted to be Brimstone followed up by Cold Dark Matter. Later on, it's Tentarafoo and any of his available attack. Ideally, making him go Cocytus instead of both is preferable, as Moh Shuvuu is here specifically for when that actually happens so she can kill Lucifer with Vinyl Bomb. Pretty simple. Still having to bring Agibarion and Bufubarion is annoying, and Heavenly Ikuyumi falls off hard here due to his Cold Dark Matter but, it's our best choice due to Impaler's Animus being nerfed hard.
Phase 2 is the same except if he hits on any of your demon with a crit that demon will be returned to stock (Kingly One moment), so NDR Phys all the way. Doesn't stop him from using Freikugel and crit, and ideally we don't want Magma Axis (which happens at 75% of this phase's health and 25%) to pop off Nahobino here. The rest are easy to dealt with. Additionally, he also has a scripted Wild Dance at ~50% followed by Holy Crucifixion. I like that his Holy Crucifixion and Contempt of God is actually annoying here, but we have to move on.
Phase 3 is absolute dickish and requires a properly planned rushdown strategy to work. At -0/+0, Lucifer is guaranteed to one-shot anyone with Megidolaon alone. Even at -2/+2, he can still kill half of the team just by using Megidolaon and a God skill choice of his own. And there's not much skill slots to cover them all. And yet, the worst of all is still Morning Star. Because of this Strategize HAD to be acquired so we can burst Lucifer down as fast as possible. This means we need two teams with Enduring Soul (if possible, Endure) that can:
1) Reapply buff/debuff accordingly to trigger his AI (before Morning Star: he'll use Dekaja if we have full +2, and Dekunda if it's -2, and ideally we need him to use Dekaja because without Belial there is no way to apply DEF down on him without losing two turns)
2) Survive for a minimum of two turns before they can be swapped out for the second half of Lucifer's remaining health. The idea here is to ignore Morning Star entirely, and abuse Strategize to swap Azazel and Tzitzimitl then switch it with Amanozako in for buffs.
After the rushdown, he will immediately use Dekunda right away, so we have to reapply buff/debuff and survive the upcoming scripted onslaught that is Megidolaon AND a God skill choice of his own. (This is why I don't use Shield of God, once again - this drags out the battle and could potentially kill the run if he uses Morning Star before Magatsuhi is full). Here's the bad part of that: one of the demon on the field HAS to die so the Magatsuhi fills by the next Morning Star cycle. Luckily, Titania died here (as expected). After that, swap in with the second team, reapply buff/debuff accordingly and repeat the same for the first team again. When he use Morning Star, he's already dead.
See you in Vengeance.
Congratulations... you've done it.
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@@flynn1545 youtube doesn't allow me to do it rip