Sam Harris is more open-minded than other atheists, Like R. Dawkins, who spend their mocking religiosity without delving into spirituality. Swami ji is the real deal - you can tell he speaks from experience!
Lol, Sam is just giving him the respect for his belief, because he does not claim greatness, if he wanted to, he could have ripped sarvapriyanda's consciences concept apart. He is just milking him for his mindset.
@@J.T.Stillwell3 He can and has done it with people like Deepak Kumar (or kapoor, one of the two) In this case he just choose to milk the saddhu for more info.
@@voicenadar1762 no he never defended his materialist faith, his emergentism, Epiphenomenalism nor did he refute Advaita. Never happened. To do so he’d have to demonstrate more than correlates. He’d need to demonstrate that his physicalism can account for the preconditions of intelligibility and knowledge. He might be a good scientist, but he’s proven himself to be an incompetent philosopher. His moral landscape for example was a disaster. There are cogent reasons no one in the field of philosophy takes him seriously.
@@J.T.Stillwell3 you are correct. Biases and inexperience are on display in those comments against advaita. Sam Harris understands and relates and finds real meaning in Advaita, he has expressed this many times. He has also shared the same personal experience with Mahayana Buddhism. There is no argument sufficient to discredit advaita. The intellect and ego are not equipped, no matter how intelligent one may be. Goodjob my friend. Keep growing in that
@@kayakMike1000 In this I do not experience Harris as a narcissist. And "Holy Person" is a human mental construct since everything in the Cosmos is Divinity incarnate.
I never imagined I'd hear this conversation. So glad it happened. This reminds me of the discussion between Jiddu Krishnamurti and physicist David Bohm.
First of all buddism came from the same root santan dharma They are not different. Both have the same goal in life, to attain mukti,nirvana.or liberation..
Beautiful conversation of consciousness!!! I also heard long time ago from Alan Watts that Buddhism is lpackaged Hinduism for the west. No wonder there are such similarities. Two of my favorite favorites also.
Of course, original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
The magic ingredient in all forms of self-enquiry (be it Vedanta, Zen, Zogchen) is actual meditative practises. The philosophies are only the starting point, to help us get interested in the path. Thereafter, mere study is not the yardstick of progress. Rather, it's about making one's mind quiet, until the whispers of the deeper layers of the mind are heard, and eventually the silence of the deepest mind experienced. That is why, paths like Vedanta and Zen prescribed particular lifestyle changes or at least practises to go hand-in-hand with study of the subject matter. Such regulations are meant to align all our faculties to the goal, focus all our energies as with a magnifying glass, else DIRECT EXPERIENCE eludes us. Some modern students (even "experts") on Vedanta and Zen and Eastern philosophies fall short in this respect, as they confuse the traditional Western idea of learning buzzwords with actually 'walking the path' - And when they fail to find any higher level of consciousness after "20 years of study" or what have you, then they blame the path itself.
An excellent dialogue and nicely clarifies the distinction between Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta. They are both brilliant. Swami Sarvapriyananda compares Buddhism and Advaita with remarkable eloquence. Thank you, Sirs! 🕉️🙏
People like Sam Harris have a place in Sanatan Dharma. There are many ways to practice Dharma. For westerns, you can do it through faith or athiesm. It doesn't matter.
Then it doesnt remain sanathan dharma. Atheism has no belief system at all, sanatanis believe in karma / reincarnation and other things which are faith based and have no evidence.
@@VedantaKesari" if there wd be no Nastika(athiesm), there wd be no Gyan yoga(path of knowledge" ~ shri Adi shankaracharya ,the OG Unfortunately western athiesm is itself a religion. The disbelievers are also believers ,they have silly confidence in non existence of god ,just like how believers hav silly confidence in existence of god. None of them actually know, they believe in their own world. The indian athiesm (NASTIKTA) however is completely different. It means i dont believe in god untill i m proved wrong, so his honest research is going on, he is seeking and may or may not find the truth. Western athiesm but sadly is just a reaction of oppression of church and fundamental western religions, so western athiest think they r doing something great when they abuse and paint and mock the religious symbols,use filth and other desecrating methods to be sort of like a person free to do anything, even if it includes performing sacrilegious acts 😂. Its childish baby tantrums honestly. Not at all different from organised religions.
Sam Harris showing interest in Hindu mysticism ! Sam Harris is an atheist and a great speaker and I have always followed his speeches with keen interest . He is my most favorite speaker .
I've always thought that any highly intelligent, open-minded person, even if he's skeptical of "the three religions of the book", can't help but be blown away by Swami Sarvapriyananda and Advaita. It's all compatible with science and cognitive pschology and aimed at the elimination of suffering instead of some superstitious mythology based on untenable assumptions.
@@2Hot2 Werner Heisenberg - " Quantum ideas which seemed so crazy made sense only after reading Hindu/Vedic metaphysics" So, it it is the other way round. Quantum physicists need clarity
This was a fantastic discussion between two extremely sharp intellectuals, who approach this discussion from very different perspectives, rationalistic vs eastern tradition.That said, who stuck up a picture of Ben Stiller on this video? 😄
@@a_m4608 Of course!! I just have a misplaced sense of humor, so my apologies if I inadvertently offended you. That said, I was struck by their resemblance and noted it, that is all. I remain a huge fan of both of these intellectuals. Cheers.
Sankhya Vedic metaphysics (mentioned by Sri Krishna) combines both Advaitha and Dvaitha. Advaitha (non dual and conscious Shiva) and Dvaitha (duality capable Shakhti) are INCOMPLETE without each other.
@@antiabrahamicreligion Sanatan is not just vedic.. Sanatan is way more. I am a Shakta, and student of Tantra .. Which is not vedic, ..and a devotee of Maa Shakti.... does that make me a non sanatani ?
This is a fascinating conversation between Sam Harris and Swamy Sarvapriyananda on Advaita Vedanta and Buddhist schools of philosophy. I am surprised by the level of interest Sam Harris has in Advaita Vedanta even though I have read his book "Waking Up" where he talks about Ramana Maharshi, Poonjaji, and Advaita. Sam Harris is described as one of the Four Horsemen of Atheism, along with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel Dennett. Still, he seems to be impressed with Advaita and Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta vs Buddhism is very interesting. Advaita preaches an immortal soul (Atman) whereas Buddhism denies that ( Anatma). Buddhist schools deny both God and the immortal soul. The different schools of Buddhist philosophies are fascinating and difficult to understand. I am happy to see that Sam Harris had this conversation with Swamy Sarvapriyanada
@@grm3243 I'm sorry, your presumptions are just a result of motivated and wildly inaccurate western translations. @tomdecherty3755 is right. Unfortunately modern western attempts at gaining credibility - for what are essentially lowest common denominator arguments augmented with all the trappings of 'intellectual discourse' but none of the courage true unbiased investigation requires - fall flat taken out of a very specific and repetition/censorship created context/construct. It's essentially debasement of sentience presented as rationality, to an audience that just doesn't have a traditional school of 'all possibilities on the table' to draw from, or the sheer intellectual capability to overcome such limitations.
@@greylaternremember when you go into Advaita or Buddhism god is not any person sitting out somewhere and putting his creations into either hell or heaven for eternity.
Hinduism is so different from Abrahamic religions. There is no central dogma, only an inquisitor or seeker would understand. So many thoughts are intertwined in their teachings. Were there an islamist in the mix, there would be so much fighting, verbal abuse and trying to prove that he is right
Practicing self enquiry is not a waste of time. Even if you don’t feel like you’re getting insight, at the very least you’re practicing concentrating, which is like a muscle that only helps you in the transactional world.
Absolutely wonderful dialogue. Many many thanks to both but in particular to Sam for organising it and making it available to all of us. Thank you very much.
Looks like Vikram(Swamiji) and Vedaal(Sam) story.After listening to everything Vedaal asked a final question about how consiouness emerges in the Brain and went back to the Tree again..😢
A wonderful grounded discussion with freedom to challenge and explore … very much in the eastern ( Bharat ) tradition , as he said .. thousand years of debate , discussion …. Whilst co -existing .
I listened to this video completely. The connection is made in the beautiful English language. The religious scholar has communicated in a very friendly manner. Both have presented their information and ideas simply. I liked this very much. Thanks for sharing. 🙏😇🌹👌
I think with human mind we cant comprehend consciousness. As long as the way of human communication is coming from the realm of mind and intellect, there are limitations to explain consciousness. It's only something one individual can experience when grace permits. Hence as swamiji rightly point out, the difference between Buddhism and Hinduism on the underlying reality is stemming from the misunderstanding when one merely go by the literal meaning of the words that are used to describe the reality.
You are (already) that. TAT TVAM ASI. No need to "comprehend" anything. Consciousness is an attribute of the immanent and omnipresent self just like heat is an attribute of fire and the sun. Without the conscious field, no duality cycles of nature can happen including manifestation/concealment of the universe, birth/decay (including reincarnation), summer/winter, freezing/melting, man/woman, wave/particle, energy/matter etc
The idea that a material / phenomenon world can not be a mere manifestation of consciousness has to be seen in the light of vedanta's instantaneous creation (Srishti-Dristi vada). An entire material world appears like real in a dream with physical objects. Once dream ends, what is the reality of that world ? When the dream lasts, does the dream snake cause fear ? yes. It all appears real as long as dream lasts. The analogy is taken to the waking state saying this too is like that. Like a dream is a play of (say) memory on consciousness and is capable of creating an outside, material world experience, the waking is another play in consciousness which would be seen for its dream like unreality once the state of enlightenment is reached. Waking & dream or not different at all. For all the questions pointing out the differences between the two states, elaborate and brilliant answers are available in the traditional teachings
Yes. Some Advaithians wrongly interpret maya as the illusion through which Brahman falsely appears as the universe. Maya is just another name for Shakthi or intelligent energy. It is the "creative" energy of Brahman. It is absolutely real. So is our material realm. In the same way Mithya does not mean false either. Mithya means temporary/relative existence. Just like how temporary tasks are not false and have to be completed in your office
Wonderful meeting of two great inquisitive minds. It’s obvious Sam is deeply invested in his belief that God doesn’t exist and faith in a higher source is basically a waste of time. I’d love another podcast w swamiji and Sam on what is God. And how their are so many ways to define God and the value of faith and devotion.
@@diggie9598 Atheism is the belief that only existing within the LEFT PFC is a natural state, Which is totally disproved by basic brain anatomy and functionality understanding But seeing almost all atheists exist within the Abrahamic delusion that was a intended design to breed humans that believe that "Thinking" is important Then you realise that all Atheists are Abrahamic delusion believers in the first instance , because they believe reason and logic matters Therefore any use of reason or logic as a foundation for anything is pure Belief I mean to pretend the lower brain does nothing and then calling its functionality the Devil , I mean come on ! , like the Druids said "some people cant see past the end of thier nose" And like all religious texts the above message left by the Druids, is a FACADE and not literal
Well, he does usher the coversation in the direction of natural, unintentional phenomenological events that avoid a Creator. But, he has a scientific mind, and there's an avoidance of the Spiritual with scientists, and that's OK! 😂
@@tomofieldGod can exist as well as evolution being the explanation for our existence. 99% of all living things have gone extinct though, so i doubt God cares about our prayers or not xD
@darthmarvel1061 Well, look, your explanation is as good as the next, because nobody on this planet, at least, knows what lies beyond the mirror 🪞 I kind of think that more highly evolved life elsewhere has a little more insight into the nature of reality, and well get there too, some day.
Great talk. My reflection is there are common conclusions between the no self perspective and the pure witness which embodies all experiences perspective. However different they sound, the conclusion of what you end up being after the body dies remain the same. The no self perspective says the illusion of self disappears. The witness also stops witnessing that person from first person perspective. I feel there is a different poetry between the two schools, but ultimately they do express the same thing with a different heart. There is so much mystery about consciousness and I'm glad humans have contemplated these questions methodically and rationally for thousands of years
Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma or the so called self) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
Very very nice educative Samvad (talk) between this journalist, he is well versed with Vedant Hinduism, knowing the Phylosophy of our ancient and Present Rishies like Mahaa Rishi Raman Bhagwan etc, he know the core of Advait Vedant, Meditation, besides Budhism-Shunya Darshan - Phylosophy. Swami ji is a realised pure Soul and the Journalist possess High Gyaan (Knowledge) too. WONDERFULL.
But people like him still do know the difference between dharma and religion. They do not understand laws of nature like karma or cause and effect and reincarnation (subtle to gross body transmigration) which also means their understanding of Vedic metaphysics is half baked at best
Advaita ,dvaita ,sankya never contradict each other. Hinduism is a complete package. Nobody can experience and one with BrahmAn until they complete their evolution. Everybody missing the major point that evolution of the Atman and end of karma.
Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
And then the British won the Hindu-Muslim debate, and now someone else may win the colonial-indigenous debate. There comes a point when one must realise that unity is indispensable. Mahatma Gandhi and Swami Vivekananda did reach that truth, but we have a long way to go. Nevertheless, hope remains.
@@MrPeaceGuy54 "Mahathma Gandhi" and Swami Vivekananda" - Both were freemasons. 🤣🤣East India company agents imported Gandhi from South Africa after training him in South Africa for 2 yr on "non violence" ramblings by Leo-Tolstoy. Gandhi's job was to delay Indian independence by 30 yr until a separate jewish state called Israel was created through world wars I and II funded by then owners of the East India company. Gandhi recruited millions of Indian soldiers (cannon fodder) for both world wars I and II. So much for his "ahimsa"
i see there is a World wide interest in Sanatana Dharma, especially the Advaita philosophy. The intellectuals in US and elsewhere would appreciate Non dual after drifting away from other. But its the Dual which holds lot of bliss ..🙏🙏😊🇮🇳
Yes. Advaitha and Dvaitha are INCOMPLETE without each other. If you go to any village in India, people regardless of whether they know Advaitha or Dvaitha or not they simply say Shiva and Shakhti are INCOMPLETE without each other. Westerners wrongly assume that Advaitha and Dvaitha contradict each other and they also equate and limit Advaitha to "spirituality"
@shresthvatsal927 There are 3 main metaphysics and they do NOT contradict each other. In fact, they are all parts of the whole. Sankhya = Advaitha (shiva) + Dvaitha (shakthi). Everything else is either just a distortion or cannot be called metaphysics for understanding self, its intelligent energy and the relationship between the two (even though nondual they both have different attributes)
Most near death experiences report a heightening or intensification of consciousness rather than a loss of consciousness. So the idea that we see loss of consciousness happening with death is for the 'others' observing the death. For the dying the consciousness changes locus and he goes into a dream like world retaining consciousness of another kind. So consciousness does not seem to cease with death should be clear. It seems to cease for the on-looker who is observing some one dying, because being eternally subjective, the on looker can not sit in judgement of what happens to the consciousness of the dying man. Near death experience gives a hint to the continuation of consciousness in another domain of existence
Of course. Consciousness is not just limited to "mental consciousness". In fact, Sukshma sharira transmigrates in omnipresent conscious field which mediates all duality cycles of intelligent energy or Shakthi including subtle/gross. Without the conscious field of Shiva (observer), Shakthi cannot be perceived in its current form in any state of consciousness including the wake state. In other words, nothing can exist. So, it also means TAT TVAM ASI - you (immanent self) are (already) that (omnipresent and transcendent self). Consciousness is an attribute of the immanent, omnipresent and transcendent self just like heat is an attribute of fire and the sun.
Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
From what I understand, Buddhists say that nirvana or the state of shunya is blissful. Thus, the question posed by Vedantins is: who experiences this bliss? Both philosophies agree on the final destination, or as the swami explained with the mountain top analogy. However, the topic for their argument is on the line of : does ice truly exist on the mountain top, or is it merely a reflection causing us to perceive its presence. Ultimately, the choice between the two viewpoints is a matter of personal aesthetics and ego. 🤷♂ It is more of a pedantic argument-one that would likely make Buddha himself go 🤦♂ if he ever heard it
Buddhist followers murdered Sankhya Vedic metaphsyics (which combines Advaitha and Dvaitha). Their definition of "Nirvana" claims everything is an illusion and the world does not exist. This is what happens when a cult just gives importance to experience not knowledge (It is the reason why Advaitha gives importance to both knowledge and experience). Experience without knowledge is like a blind man. But Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
The more you understand consciousness through the limitations of the mind , the more you fail... Only a no-Mind can get you there ! Your mind has to first go !
@@indianmilitary - the mind has no significance whatsoever , in yogic sciences ! The mind is puny, in front of this vast cosmos - only way is dissolve , for that - mind has to go ! If you really want to dissolve , the mind is a huge obstacle.
@@artus198 But you needed your mind to answer or counter my comment. 🤣🤣Point is Yoga is not just about going "out of your mind" or "other worldly"🤣🤣🤣🤣. There are concepts of dharma and Karma based on well validated Vedic metaphysics. So, the knowledge of self is important in Vedanta which one has to mimic in every day thoughts and actions. It is called inaction in action. Despite action you do not create karma which is equivalent to "enlightenment" one gets through yoga and meditation. It also means, the ultimate purpose of yoga and meditation is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient experience but simply to remove past karma (chitta shuddhi) to put an end to birth/death duality cycle. To make it simple for you. Let me give you an easy analogy. Fasting means you do not eat any food. So your blood insulin/sugar levels are normal or stable- it is equivalent to doing meditation or thoughtless state or Dhyana yoga. But how are u going to mimic the same in everyday life or while doing activities? It is called Keto diet. In other words, despite eating you are not going to increase your blood sugar. This is equivalent to Karma yoga - despite action you do NOT create karma or cause and effect. As a beginner, the practice of two pathways (Jnana and Karma) required to be done in different times. But as an advanced practitioner of Jnana and karma yoga, one can practice them at the same time and function in everyday life with the experience of the cosmos (instead of limited individual experience) which obviously does not require individual mind. This is called JIVAN MUKTH state 24/7. Adhshankara and avatars like Krishna/Rama were Jivan Mukths. Moreover, not all thoughts can create Karma or cause and effect. It depends on one's intentions. Dharmic intention with failed outcome does not create karma or cause and effect and adharmic intention with correct outcome does create karma and reincarnation since it involves ego.
Hari Om Swamiji 🙏🏼🪔 You did not have to do Quantum physics to understand existence 🙏🏼 Asti Bhanti Preeti .... The conscious awareness that you point out
Werner Heisenberg - " Quantum ideas which seemed so crazy made sense only after reading Hindu/Vedic metaphysics" So, it it is the other way round. Quantum physicists need clarity
It's a very interesting conversation. In my conversation with garden variety Buddhist monks, I've never been able to really sense a difference between the Atman and Buddha-nature. Whether it's Theravada's 6th consciousness or Mahayana's 8th consciousness, there seems to be a relationship to Buddha nature at the point of rebirth. I'm open to correction.
Sam Harris is more open-minded than other atheists, Like R. Dawkins, who spend their mocking religiosity without delving into spirituality. Swami ji is the real deal - you can tell he speaks from experience!
Lol, Sam is just giving him the respect for his belief, because he does not claim greatness, if he wanted to, he could have ripped sarvapriyanda's consciences concept apart. He is just milking him for his mindset.
@@voicenadar1762no Sam couldn’t. His materialist position is untenable.
@@J.T.Stillwell3 He can and has done it with people like Deepak Kumar (or kapoor, one of the two) In this case he just choose to milk the saddhu for more info.
@@voicenadar1762 no he never defended his materialist faith, his emergentism, Epiphenomenalism nor did he refute Advaita. Never happened.
To do so he’d have to demonstrate more than correlates. He’d need to demonstrate that his physicalism can account for the preconditions of intelligibility and knowledge. He might be a good scientist, but he’s proven himself to be an incompetent philosopher. His moral landscape for example was a disaster. There are cogent reasons no one in the field of philosophy takes him seriously.
@@J.T.Stillwell3
you are correct. Biases and inexperience are on display in those comments against advaita. Sam Harris understands and relates and finds real meaning in Advaita, he has expressed this many times. He has also shared the same personal experience with Mahayana Buddhism. There is no argument sufficient to discredit advaita. The intellect and ego are not equipped, no matter how intelligent one may be. Goodjob my friend. Keep growing in that
This Swami is the GOAT
He really is!
Is the goat the swami though?
I was so incredibly happy to hear two of my absolute favourite speakers plumbing the depths of consciousness and non-dualism!
Same here
It's interesting watching a narcissist talking to a holy man.
@@kayakMike1000I don't understand why you think the swami's a narcissist - I thought he seems very humble ...
@@sibanought😂
@@kayakMike1000 In this I do not experience Harris as a narcissist. And "Holy Person" is a human mental construct since everything in the Cosmos is Divinity incarnate.
What a time to be born! To hear Swami Sarvapriyananda speak to eloquently to us. Thank you Krishna! 🙏
I never imagined I'd hear this conversation. So glad it happened. This reminds me of the discussion between Jiddu Krishnamurti and physicist David Bohm.
Just imagine that part about Buddhism and Hinduism having an ongoing dialogue about the nature of self for…one thousand years.
Yes and then Sam comments, 'The Muslims won the debate' 😂 cheeky cheeky
First of all buddism came from the same root santan dharma They are not different. Both have the same goal in life, to attain mukti,nirvana.or liberation..
Yup In India , we had this debate for thousand years We were Hindu -> Buddhist -> Hindu
I am a Buddhist, our buddhist and Hindus ancestors love to debate.
@@kartikeyasharma6558 How’s that if they’re still debating? 🤓
When two great minds meet, it takes a lot of hard work for us ordinary individuals to keep pace with them.🙏
Swami Sarvapriyananda not only has vast knowledge of Advaita Vedanta but also the skill to impart that knowledge to others. He is a Great Teacher. 🙏
That’s so true…🙏
Beautiful conversation of consciousness!!!
I also heard long time ago from Alan Watts that Buddhism is lpackaged Hinduism for the west.
No wonder there are such similarities.
Two of my favorite favorites also.
Of course, original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
A superb illuminating discussion between a highly discerning rationalist and a vedantist
“Vedantist” is also a rationalist.
Alternate title: “discussion between a monk and a demon”
why ?@@seniorrazr1654
@@seniorrazr1654just because he is skeptic, he is demon to you?
It’s evident that Swamiji lives what he teaches by the way he radiates love and truth whenever he speaks.
The magic ingredient in all forms of self-enquiry (be it Vedanta, Zen, Zogchen) is actual meditative practises. The philosophies are only the starting point, to help us get interested in the path. Thereafter, mere study is not the yardstick of progress. Rather, it's about making one's mind quiet, until the whispers of the deeper layers of the mind are heard, and eventually the silence of the deepest mind experienced. That is why, paths like Vedanta and Zen prescribed particular lifestyle changes or at least practises to go hand-in-hand with study of the subject matter. Such regulations are meant to align all our faculties to the goal, focus all our energies as with a magnifying glass, else DIRECT EXPERIENCE eludes us. Some modern students (even "experts") on Vedanta and Zen and Eastern philosophies fall short in this respect, as they confuse the traditional Western idea of learning buzzwords with actually 'walking the path' - And when they fail to find any higher level of consciousness after "20 years of study" or what have you, then they blame the path itself.
Zen comes from Dhyan, it's the same
@sdsrbha4270, very well said
Amazingly put.. yours words guided the truth seeker every step . please start writing blogs in medium or other platforms
Well said, couldn't agree more!
Amen
An excellent dialogue and nicely clarifies the distinction between Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta. They are both brilliant. Swami Sarvapriyananda compares Buddhism and Advaita with remarkable eloquence. Thank you, Sirs! 🕉️🙏
we need more of this!!
People like Sam Harris have a place in Sanatan Dharma. There are many ways to practice Dharma. For westerns, you can do it through faith or athiesm. It doesn't matter.
Then it doesnt remain sanathan dharma. Atheism has no belief system at all, sanatanis believe in karma / reincarnation and other things which are faith based and have no evidence.
"If all people were to follow atheism, there would not be any progress on the road to Truth"~~Meher Baba
@@VedantaKesari Athiesm is ignorance of knowledge and religion is illusion of knowledge. We know what's more dangerous. Dharma is the only way
So much said --- by a man who practiced _Silence_ ? @@VedantaKesari
@@VedantaKesari" if there wd be no Nastika(athiesm), there wd be no Gyan yoga(path of knowledge"
~ shri Adi shankaracharya ,the OG
Unfortunately western athiesm is itself a religion. The disbelievers are also believers ,they have silly confidence in non existence of god ,just like how believers hav silly confidence in existence of god. None of them actually know, they believe in their own world.
The indian athiesm (NASTIKTA) however is completely different. It means i dont believe in god untill i m proved wrong, so his honest research is going on, he is seeking and may or may not find the truth.
Western athiesm but sadly is just a reaction of oppression of church and fundamental western religions, so western athiest think they r doing something great when they abuse and paint and mock the religious symbols,use filth and other desecrating methods to be sort of like a person free to do anything, even if it includes performing sacrilegious acts 😂. Its childish baby tantrums honestly. Not at all different from organised religions.
Sam Harris showing interest in Hindu mysticism ! Sam Harris is an atheist and a great speaker and I have always followed his speeches with keen interest . He is my most favorite speaker .
as an athiest i would have to say Swami Sarvapriyananda is very good communicator.
Swami ji is free of prejudice.Athiests are the most judgmental people.
I've always thought that any highly intelligent, open-minded person, even if he's skeptical of "the three religions of the book", can't help but be blown away by Swami Sarvapriyananda and Advaita. It's all compatible with science and cognitive pschology and aimed at the elimination of suffering instead of some superstitious mythology based on untenable assumptions.
@@2Hot2 Werner Heisenberg - " Quantum ideas which seemed so crazy made sense only after reading Hindu/Vedic metaphysics" So, it it is the other way round. Quantum physicists need clarity
@@amitaprabhakar2152no God
Advaita is not religious. No need to believe in a personified God.
What a beautiful, open and respectful discussion. Love them both!
Namskar Swami Sarcapriyanandaji Maharaj & Sam Harris 🙏🙏
I express deep sense of gratitude towards both of you for very enlightening discussion ,…🌹🌹
Swami ji is a treasure trove of knowledge
This was a fantastic discussion between two extremely sharp intellectuals, who approach this discussion from very different perspectives, rationalistic vs eastern tradition.That said, who stuck up a picture of Ben Stiller on this video? 😄
I hope that was sarcasm😬
Coz it's actually Sam Harris.
@@a_m4608 Of course!! I just have a misplaced sense of humor, so my apologies if I inadvertently offended you. That said, I was struck by their resemblance and noted it, that is all. I remain a huge fan of both of these intellectuals. Cheers.
@@dnambisan123 I feel like an idiot 😄😄cheers
Miraculously stumble upon this conversation...two of my fav people to listen to ❤... thank you youtube algorithm..
My two most favourite people in this world 🌎 ❤️
All 6 hindu philosophies are awesome. But after vedanta, samkhaya is my favourite one
Sankhya Vedic metaphysics (mentioned by Sri Krishna) combines both Advaitha and Dvaitha. Advaitha (non dual and conscious Shiva) and Dvaitha (duality capable Shakhti) are INCOMPLETE without each other.
Actually 9.. including .. including Charwak, Baudh Dharam, and Jain dharam
@@VeganSanataninah buddhism and jainism are non vedic philosophies
@@antiabrahamicreligion neither are Bhakti, Adwait, dwait , Shanka, Yog, Vaishist, Vishist Advait, ..
Also not even puranas or any Smriti text..
@@antiabrahamicreligion Sanatan is not just vedic.. Sanatan is way more.
I am a Shakta, and student of Tantra ..
Which is not vedic, ..and a devotee of Maa Shakti.... does that make me a non sanatani ?
What a fantastic and flowing conversation. Can't wait to hear more as they said this is the first of more discussions to come.
Have waited for this one for a while now! So enriching to hear You both have this discussion 🙏🏼
Thank you Swami SarvapriyanandaJi. I am forever grateful for the teachings which you so eloquently reiterate. 🙏🙏🕉️
This is a fascinating conversation between Sam Harris and Swamy Sarvapriyananda on Advaita Vedanta and Buddhist schools of philosophy. I am surprised by the level of interest Sam Harris has in Advaita Vedanta even though I have read his book "Waking Up" where he talks about Ramana Maharshi, Poonjaji, and Advaita. Sam Harris is described as one of the Four Horsemen of Atheism, along with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel Dennett. Still, he seems to be impressed with Advaita and Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta vs Buddhism is very interesting. Advaita preaches an immortal soul (Atman) whereas Buddhism denies that ( Anatma). Buddhist schools deny both God and the immortal soul. The different schools of Buddhist philosophies are fascinating and difficult to understand. I am happy to see that Sam Harris had this conversation with Swamy Sarvapriyanada
Oh blimey! Where to begin…Buddhism does not deny God any more than it denies the immortal soul, you’ve read too many coffee table books.
@@grm3243 I'm sorry, your presumptions are just a result of motivated and wildly inaccurate western translations. @tomdecherty3755 is right. Unfortunately modern western attempts at gaining credibility - for what are essentially lowest common denominator arguments augmented with all the trappings of 'intellectual discourse' but none of the courage true unbiased investigation requires - fall flat taken out of a very specific and repetition/censorship created context/construct. It's essentially debasement of sentience presented as rationality, to an audience that just doesn't have a traditional school of 'all possibilities on the table' to draw from, or the sheer intellectual capability to overcome such limitations.
😅 Such a strange statement.
Buddhist philosophy does not deny God or the immortal soul.
It defies the limitations placed on it by defining it.
@@greylaternremember when you go into Advaita or Buddhism god is not any person sitting out somewhere and putting his creations into either hell or heaven for eternity.
@@gravity.inescapable Yes we do that to ourselves🤣
What a beautiful conversation!
Thanks for sharing this!
Hinduism is so different from Abrahamic religions. There is no central dogma, only an inquisitor or seeker would understand. So many thoughts are intertwined in their teachings. Were there an islamist in the mix, there would be so much fighting, verbal abuse and trying to prove that he is right
This no central authority is also one of the biggest weakness of hinduism...it creates division among philosophies
Shunyam vs poornam feels like two sides of an embossed coin....
Without Shunya there cannot be "poornam".
@@indianmilitaryagain u are falling for the bias. Nothing is the precursor here. Both are coexistent
Wonderful union and conversation of the great personalities.
Thanks for UA-cam also alongwith these great masters.
What a treat!
Practicing self enquiry is not a waste of time. Even if you don’t feel like you’re getting insight, at the very least you’re practicing concentrating, which is like a muscle that only helps you in the transactional world.
Absolutely wonderful dialogue. Many many thanks to both but in particular to Sam for organising it and making it available to all of us. Thank you very much.
What an insightful conversation! Hope we get more like this from your channel.
Looks like Vikram(Swamiji) and Vedaal(Sam) story.After listening to everything Vedaal asked a final question about how consiouness emerges in the Brain and went back to the Tree again..😢
True but u dont have the answer for sam
Wonderful chatting on spiritualism... pranam Swami ji
A wonderful grounded discussion with freedom to challenge and explore … very much in the eastern ( Bharat ) tradition , as he said .. thousand years of debate , discussion …. Whilst co -existing .
Absolutely brilliant and reverential... thanks for this wonderful conversation. Hoping for many more to remove the cobwebs of my mind...
Brilliant...💕
Very engrossing discussion. Intellectually stimulating!
Great Discussion... 💟
Fantastic conversation!!! Swamiji is awesome!
Thanks Sam Harris and Swamiji for this great discussion on Emptiness and Non-Dualistic Vedantha.
Great talk. Really amazing.
I listened to this video completely. The connection is made in the beautiful English language. The religious scholar has communicated in a very friendly manner. Both have presented their information and ideas simply. I liked this very much. Thanks for sharing. 🙏😇🌹👌
Beautiful!
I think with human mind we cant comprehend consciousness. As long as the way of human communication is coming from the realm of mind and intellect, there are limitations to explain consciousness. It's only something one individual can experience when grace permits. Hence as swamiji rightly point out, the difference between Buddhism and Hinduism on the underlying reality is stemming from the misunderstanding when one merely go by the literal meaning of the words that are used to describe the reality.
You are (already) that. TAT TVAM ASI. No need to "comprehend" anything. Consciousness is an attribute of the immanent and omnipresent self just like heat is an attribute of fire and the sun. Without the conscious field, no duality cycles of nature can happen including manifestation/concealment of the universe, birth/decay (including reincarnation), summer/winter, freezing/melting, man/woman, wave/particle, energy/matter etc
Amazing explanations
thanks for uploading
Thanks 4 uploading
The idea that a material / phenomenon world can not be a mere manifestation of consciousness has to be seen in the light of vedanta's instantaneous creation (Srishti-Dristi vada). An entire material world appears like real in a dream with physical objects. Once dream ends, what is the reality of that world ? When the dream lasts, does the dream snake cause fear ? yes. It all appears real as long as dream lasts. The analogy is taken to the waking state saying this too is like that. Like a dream is a play of (say) memory on consciousness and is capable of creating an outside, material world experience, the waking is another play in consciousness which would be seen for its dream like unreality once the state of enlightenment is reached. Waking & dream or not different at all. For all the questions pointing out the differences between the two states, elaborate and brilliant answers are available in the traditional teachings
Yes. Some Advaithians wrongly interpret maya as the illusion through which Brahman falsely appears as the universe. Maya is just another name for Shakthi or intelligent energy. It is the "creative" energy of Brahman. It is absolutely real. So is our material realm.
In the same way Mithya does not mean false either. Mithya means temporary/relative existence. Just like how temporary tasks are not false and have to be completed in your office
Wonderful meeting of two great inquisitive minds.
It’s obvious Sam is deeply invested in his belief that God doesn’t exist and faith in a higher source is basically a waste of time.
I’d love another podcast w swamiji and Sam on what is God. And how their are so many ways to define God and the value of faith and devotion.
Atheism is not a belief. Rather the opposite.
@@diggie9598 Atheism is the belief that only existing within the LEFT PFC is a natural state,
Which is totally disproved by basic brain anatomy and functionality understanding
But seeing almost all atheists exist within the Abrahamic delusion that was a intended design to breed humans that believe that "Thinking" is important
Then you realise that all Atheists are Abrahamic delusion believers in the first instance , because they believe reason and logic matters
Therefore any use of reason or logic as a foundation for anything is pure Belief
I mean to pretend the lower brain does nothing and then calling its functionality the Devil ,
I mean come on ! , like the Druids said
"some people cant see past the end of thier nose"
And like all religious texts the above message left by the Druids, is a FACADE and not literal
Well, he does usher the coversation in the direction of natural, unintentional phenomenological events that avoid a Creator. But, he has a scientific mind, and there's an avoidance of the Spiritual with scientists, and that's OK! 😂
@@tomofieldGod can exist as well as evolution being the explanation for our existence. 99% of all living things have gone extinct though, so i doubt God cares about our prayers or not xD
@darthmarvel1061 Well, look, your explanation is as good as the next, because nobody on this planet, at least, knows what lies beyond the mirror 🪞 I kind of think that more highly evolved life elsewhere has a little more insight into the nature of reality, and well get there too, some day.
Love Swamiji 🙏
Great talk. My reflection is there are common conclusions between the no self perspective and the pure witness which embodies all experiences perspective. However different they sound, the conclusion of what you end up being after the body dies remain the same. The no self perspective says the illusion of self disappears. The witness also stops witnessing that person from first person perspective. I feel there is a different poetry between the two schools, but ultimately they do express the same thing with a different heart. There is so much mystery about consciousness and I'm glad humans have contemplated these questions methodically and rationally for thousands of years
Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma or the so called self) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
I would like to thank guru sarvapriyananda for all my knowledge..Ahambrahmasmi 🕉🙏
A truly enlightened master is very rare. But there are a few still living. Ie
Mata Amritananda Mayi Devi aka the hugging saint. Is one .
She seems like a sweet, agreeable, harmless old lady. Why are you so sure she's a "truly enlightened master"?
Very very nice educative Samvad (talk) between this journalist, he is well versed with Vedant Hinduism, knowing the Phylosophy of our ancient and Present Rishies like Mahaa Rishi Raman Bhagwan etc, he know the core of Advait Vedant, Meditation, besides Budhism-Shunya Darshan - Phylosophy.
Swami ji is a realised pure Soul and the Journalist possess High Gyaan (Knowledge) too.
WONDERFULL.
But people like him still do know the difference between dharma and religion. They do not understand laws of nature like karma or cause and effect and reincarnation (subtle to gross body transmigration) which also means their understanding of Vedic metaphysics is half baked at best
Wow, what a healthy conversation unlike my way or highway!!
Damn same harris, that was great, great insight into buddhism.
Swamiji 🙏
Pleasently suprised to see the coming together of SS and SH
Beautiful.
You have to understand the chronology of the developments in these philosophies. And perhaps appreciate the vastness and relevance of Hinduism
Advaita ,dvaita ,sankya never contradict each other. Hinduism is a complete package. Nobody can experience and one with BrahmAn until they complete their evolution. Everybody missing the major point that evolution of the Atman and end of karma.
Theologicans may quarrel, but the Mystics of the world speak the same language. Meister Eckhart
Mystics Swim in the very same ocean where lunatics drown..
Buddhism is an sect of same Hindu philosophies existed in India.
Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
Beautiful ❤
this discussion is art.
Jai Sri Ramakrishna 🌺🙏🐚
I will laugh at that " Muslims won the Hindu buddhist debate" Joke forever around 10:00😂😂😂😂😂
Thats no laughing matter though.
They didnt win shit
Mulsims came in and mudered everyone then the maratha empire crushed the mugal empire
And then the British won the Hindu-Muslim debate, and now someone else may win the colonial-indigenous debate. There comes a point when one must realise that unity is indispensable. Mahatma Gandhi and Swami Vivekananda did reach that truth, but we have a long way to go. Nevertheless, hope remains.
@@MrPeaceGuy54 "Mahathma Gandhi" and Swami Vivekananda" - Both were freemasons. 🤣🤣East India company agents imported Gandhi from South Africa after training him in South Africa for 2 yr on "non violence" ramblings by Leo-Tolstoy. Gandhi's job was to delay Indian independence by 30 yr until a separate jewish state called Israel was created through world wars I and II funded by then owners of the East India company. Gandhi recruited millions of Indian soldiers (cannon fodder) for both world wars I and II. So much for his "ahimsa"
Reasons why i love sam❤
Dream collab ❤
bravo! love it
i see there is a World wide interest in Sanatana Dharma, especially the Advaita philosophy.
The intellectuals in US and elsewhere would appreciate Non dual after drifting away from other. But its the Dual which holds lot of bliss ..🙏🙏😊🇮🇳
Yes. Advaitha and Dvaitha are INCOMPLETE without each other. If you go to any village in India, people regardless of whether they know Advaitha or Dvaitha or not they simply say Shiva and Shakhti are INCOMPLETE without each other. Westerners wrongly assume that Advaitha and Dvaitha contradict each other and they also equate and limit Advaitha to "spirituality"
My head is aching.
See a doctor
At 1:26:30 what really helps as an additional lens in Ken Wilber’s work on Integral and the concept of waking up vs growing up.
Swamiji sarvapriyananda 🙏🙏…nice conversations between both 🙏
Absolutely wonderful talk between two Giants 👍😔
I would not call them "Giants"
Nice discussion!
I think what Buddha said about Self is different from what his disciples said. His disciples talked about no-self but Buddha did not.
I can’t believe that Consciousness is ME just by assertion
Consciousness is a fact not assertion or believe..
Good conversation.
The meeting of two great mind.❤❤❤❤
I m hindu and even I didn't know this much about various school of thought in Hinduism😅.
Unfortunately most don't get past the ritual aspects
@shresthvatsal927 There are 3 main metaphysics and they do NOT contradict each other. In fact, they are all parts of the whole. Sankhya = Advaitha (shiva) + Dvaitha (shakthi). Everything else is either just a distortion or cannot be called metaphysics for understanding self, its intelligent energy and the relationship between the two (even though nondual they both have different attributes)
Sam should a conversation with Ira Schepetin on Advaita
Sawmiji❤
Simply beautiful…..I
Most near death experiences report a heightening or intensification of consciousness rather than a loss of consciousness. So the idea that we see loss of consciousness happening with death is for the 'others' observing the death. For the dying the consciousness changes locus and he goes into a dream like world retaining consciousness of another kind. So consciousness does not seem to cease with death should be clear. It seems to cease for the on-looker who is observing some one dying, because being eternally subjective, the on looker can not sit in judgement of what happens to the consciousness of the dying man. Near death experience gives a hint to the continuation of consciousness in another domain of existence
Of course. Consciousness is not just limited to "mental consciousness". In fact, Sukshma sharira transmigrates in omnipresent conscious field which mediates all duality cycles of intelligent energy or Shakthi including subtle/gross. Without the conscious field of Shiva (observer), Shakthi cannot be perceived in its current form in any state of consciousness including the wake state. In other words, nothing can exist. So, it also means TAT TVAM ASI - you (immanent self) are (already) that (omnipresent and transcendent self). Consciousness is an attribute of the immanent, omnipresent and transcendent self just like heat is an attribute of fire and the sun.
Swami ji : Hindus and Buddhists were debating for a thousand years and who won .........
Sam : The muslims😂
Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
I dont think distroying univerities and mudering people for no reason means winning a debate
@@VSM101yeah I know that was the joke😂😂
From what I understand, Buddhists say that nirvana or the state of shunya is blissful. Thus, the question posed by Vedantins is: who experiences this bliss?
Both philosophies agree on the final destination, or as the swami explained with the mountain top analogy. However, the topic for their argument is on the line of : does ice truly exist on the mountain top, or is it merely a reflection causing us to perceive its presence.
Ultimately, the choice between the two viewpoints is a matter of personal aesthetics and ego. 🤷♂
It is more of a pedantic argument-one that would likely make Buddha himself go 🤦♂ if he ever heard it
Buddhist followers murdered Sankhya Vedic metaphsyics (which combines Advaitha and Dvaitha). Their definition of "Nirvana" claims everything is an illusion and the world does not exist. This is what happens when a cult just gives importance to experience not knowledge (It is the reason why Advaitha gives importance to both knowledge and experience). Experience without knowledge is like a blind man.
But Original Buddha (1900 BCE) was a Hindu. He followed Vedas (he did not deny athma) , was a vegetarian and spoke Sanskrit. Fake Buddha (550 BCE) who spoke fake Pali and ate Beef was created by colonialists. The whole Nirvana Buddhist cult right now is based on the fake Buddha who was created out of thin air by colonialists to pit Buddhism against hindu/vedic tradition. They also created King Ashoka out of thin air to show that he converted from "bad hinduism: to good buddhism". Nice try.
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The more you understand consciousness through the limitations of the mind , the more you fail... Only a no-Mind can get you there ! Your mind has to first go !
Not if one has complete understanding of well validated Vedic metaphysics. Both knowledge and experiencer are important in Hindu/Vedic tradition.
@@indianmilitary - the mind has no significance whatsoever , in yogic sciences ! The mind is puny, in front of this vast cosmos - only way is dissolve , for that - mind has to go ! If you really want to dissolve , the mind is a huge obstacle.
@@artus198 But you needed your mind to answer or counter my comment. 🤣🤣Point is Yoga is not just about going "out of your mind" or "other worldly"🤣🤣🤣🤣. There are concepts of dharma and Karma based on well validated Vedic metaphysics. So, the knowledge of self is important in Vedanta which one has to mimic in every day thoughts and actions. It is called inaction in action.
Despite action you do not create karma which is equivalent to "enlightenment" one gets through yoga and meditation. It also means, the ultimate purpose of yoga and meditation is not omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient experience but simply to remove past karma (chitta shuddhi) to put an end to birth/death duality cycle.
To make it simple for you. Let me give you an easy analogy. Fasting means you do not eat any food. So your blood insulin/sugar levels are normal or stable- it is equivalent to doing meditation or thoughtless state or Dhyana yoga. But how are u going to mimic the same in everyday life or while doing activities? It is called Keto diet. In other words, despite eating you are not going to increase your blood sugar. This is equivalent to Karma yoga - despite action you do NOT create karma or cause and effect.
As a beginner, the practice of two pathways (Jnana and Karma) required to be done in different times. But as an advanced practitioner of Jnana and karma yoga, one can practice them at the same time and function in everyday life with the experience of the cosmos (instead of limited individual experience) which obviously does not require individual mind. This is called JIVAN MUKTH state 24/7. Adhshankara and avatars like Krishna/Rama were Jivan Mukths.
Moreover, not all thoughts can create Karma or cause and effect. It depends on one's intentions. Dharmic intention with failed outcome does not create karma or cause and effect and adharmic intention with correct outcome does create karma and reincarnation since it involves ego.
Super
Hari Om Swamiji 🙏🏼🪔
You did not have to do Quantum physics to understand existence 🙏🏼
Asti Bhanti Preeti ....
The conscious awareness that you point out
Werner Heisenberg - " Quantum ideas which seemed so crazy made sense only after reading Hindu/Vedic metaphysics" So, it it is the other way round. Quantum physicists need clarity
It's a very interesting conversation. In my conversation with garden variety Buddhist monks, I've never been able to really sense a difference between the Atman and Buddha-nature. Whether it's Theravada's 6th consciousness or Mahayana's 8th consciousness, there seems to be a relationship to Buddha nature at the point of rebirth. I'm open to correction.
Where did you get this ??
A spirit is the terminal temporary body, an outside cover of consciousness that perhaps used to transport consciousness
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