Why Do Wrestlers Dominate In MMA?
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As a d2 wrestler who is now Amateur mma fighter with a 2-0 record. I think one of the things that makes us effective are. Mentality and desire to dominate at all time. And that may include the desire to be good at aspects other of fighting. That the fact, majority of wrestlers are usually well rounded athletes. Being strong, fast , and have a good amount of Stamina. Lastly, thru the years of wrestling; we have developed a top pressure that can’t be copied by lifting weights or going to the gym.
Not accepting submissive positions translates very well to all grappling arts.
Wouldn’t surprise me if wrestlers do well at bjj, judo, sambo.
There’s a lot of wrestlers in Abu Dhabi adcc.
A Wrestlers mentality is way different. If you took out all the wrestlers in BJj. You’re left with stoners, and people who want to have fun and flow…
If all wrestlers went into catch wrestling instead of BJJ.
Catch wrestling would dominate… were much better athletes by far
damn right only like my second year of wrestling I am pretty tall and its all about domination.
Wrestled from 3 up thru college as well bro. I think alot of it has to do with "the system" we grew up in while wrestling. Not many people can relate to the grind of a college wrestling season, and even kids club and high school is much more of a grind than anything any others kids are doing at that age.
It's sad but true...and if to many of them become champions the UFC is going bust because wrestling is super boring to watch.
They should make a rule for a maximum of 1 minute on the ground or maybe their should be a new leaque where fighting on the ground is not allowed. Some kind of kickboxing with mma rules except ground fights.
HELL no! Why don’t you just go watch kickboxing or Muay Thai?
@@coachkajan the most exciting UFC fights are fights like Jones vs Gustafsson 1. Last week fight between O Malley and Merab was super boring. Khabib was super boring to. Very good and unbeatable but super boring.
Real wrestlers are built different. I rather have a 3 hours of Muay Thai training than 1 hour wrestling, because it's hard as hell.
True but there is a lot of technical stuff in grapling. It's not just two strong dudes pushing each other around.
Why is Wrestling as difficult as everyone says? I'm Brazilian and there are no Wrestling schools where I live, only BJJ. I've always been curious to know why Wrestling is so difficult...
Very taxing training. You going to feel every muscle in your body after it.
@@andreasreinhardt8753 Taxing because the sparring (don't know if that's what you call it) or taxing because the exercises in training?
Bouth training and sparing. They wrestled for an hour straight after 45 minutes of hard cardio. Just watch one Alexander Karelin crazy training video. One of the best greco roman wrestlers of all times.
Wrestling have been around for thousands of years practiced by warriors who used it in battle . Winning for them meant not dying
Agree
Gracie won the first ufc because there where no wrestlers in that tournament
Right. I was thinking the same thing when he mentioned Royce. The matches were by design to be an advertisement for Jiu-jitsu. This is why, at the beginning, he did not fight any very good wrestlers. When he did fight a good wrestler (Dan Severn), he fought someone not versed well in Jiu-jitsu (as most Americans at the time did not have a good understanding of Jiu-jitsu at the time).
Biggest combat sport in the world, funded especially by US and post Soviet countries due to Olympic competition, with access to the best athletes from childhood
I think boxing is the biggest combat sport
@@bpnk5237wrestling is far more popular in places like lran, India, turkey, soviet states,
I didnt get how the college and olympic levels weren’t mentioned while blaming the cage
@@bpnk5237boxing is super small it's not even bigger than wrestling in the US let alone the world.
Dont overthink it. Wrestlers dominate. Is wrestling the number 1 martial art you should focus on/develop proficiency in? Of course it is. BJJ only guys struggle a lot against a wrestler as strong as them because the wrestler understands maintaining top position so much better than a BJJ guy it's insane. On top of this wrestlers are much more combat ready than BJJ guys. There is no flow rolling in wrestling and conditioning is included in practice. Wrestlers know how to "turn on" much better than BJJ guys as a whole. Now look at the fact that the wrestling we are talking about is folkstyle, freestyle, or greco, etc. No submissions...however submission wrestling is a thing, always has been and those wrestlers slaughter everyone.
I say all this as a MEDIOCRE middle and high school wrestler, now training BJJ and I am dominating everyone I roll with...big small, whatever belt. My hips, leg strength, balance, and takedown speed that i got from wrestling is too much for them to handle. Now that I learned basic guillotine defense and a few subs I barely get tapped and I'm rarely on bottom.
Love the content! Good fucking work my guy
Thanks man! So why then if wrestling is the most important art, do wrestling purists get beat by Jiu Jitsu purists?
@tristargymwestcoast I can't say for sure, but I think ignorance to submissions. I think it takes more training to develop takedown ability, top control, good hips, and pressure than to become proficient in methods to finish someone. Basically, in overall grappling terms, the purist wrestler has already done the hard stuff. Now, when we look at real deal BJJ black belts, they've caught up to the wrestlers because competition forces you to be athletic. All that technique over strength talk is nonsense. Legit black belts are all strong as shit, fast takedowns, crushing pressure, but it took them years to develop the athletic side of grappling. Wrestlers learn the athletic side of grappling first and growing up usually.
@tristargymwestcoast I taylor my jiu jitsu to mma applications. I've found I have to disregard a lot of key elements to jiu jitsu because they just don't translate to mma as well. Wrestling translates to mma better because striking is involved. Wrestling better prepares you to hold a guy down and ground and pound or go for really basic subs. In a pure grappling match bjj all day. But in mma the wrestler punches the black belt then he's a brown belt and so on lol
I started with BJJ and Judo, in less than a year it was hard even for the higher belts to take me down as a white belt. My judo instructor was a coach for USA Judo's team back in the day. Now that I've been also doing wrestling and Sumo on the side as well I'm hard to take down in both gi and no gi. Only the smart guys cross train as every martial art has something to show
@@coachkajan I believe submission wrestling or catch wrestling purists or maybe old school judo purist (like Kimura vs Helio) can beat a bjj purist in an mma match . However, a freestyle/folkstyle/greco-roman purist not so much.
He black belt?
Who give him black belt? We have to check that moment.
He’s a legit blackbelt through Firas Zahabi lol
Got my Blue from Jeff Glover, purple and brown from Bibiano Fernandes and Black from Firas Zahabi.
These words are by Islam Makhachev, towards Dustin Porier, for his granby roll.
You, dear sir, posted DP on your video, and pointed out that DP is a black belt.
Does your black belt at BJJ make you better at BJJ than DP?
@@coachkajanhe didnt ask your belt bro, but the belt all mma fighters who gets their belt so easily like islam said to poirier.
Yup totally agree. Wrestlers that are good are annoying and even when i think i can knee them or catch them they can at times fake high and go for the double leg and im on my back again. Shrimp Shrimp pull legs out but what ive learned is to have a super powerul arch and i can often reverse them. Its the threat of the take down w a guy who can strike and Wrestle that is tough. The cage is a major part though. Ive used strking against wrestlers in street fights and absolutely dominated. But it was open. I did get pushed up against a fence and did get ground and pounded but i was wearing steel toes and round housed him in the face hitting his cheek and breaking it. Wrestlers are very subseptable to kicks if they arent good strikers. But ultimately its been having a super sonic arch i learned strengthen from yoga poses that made my arch strong. I can reverse anyone eho gets a bit too low or not squared with the hips. And im super flexible so i can throw up a triangle fast. But some good wrestlers are so good youre just fkd. Now that everyone starts using the legs to tie up your legs its getting harder to get back to feet so i wanna be epic at take down defense
I will say tho in defense of no gi BJJ, its not a finished sport yet.
It's a business and always will be a glorified hotbox because money is involved. It's gotta be easy
Wrestlers would dominate even more without a cage because freestyle,Folkstyle and Greco aren't done in a cage. The cage helps people without wrestling put their weight on it and makes them harder to take down.
Yeah that was a bad take from him.
Tbh it’s because wrestling training is so difficult
We push ourselves so much harder.
That level of hardwork translates to success.
The stamina, strength, fleixibity, agility etc Is way beyond what most other athletes have
In a 1v1, wrestling just dominates by principle. All of those fancy kicks and punches are cool, but they need you to do one thing: STAND UP. If you take it to the ground, then all the striking arsenal immediately becomes limited.
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Masvidal's fancy knee sure did have a fun time with elite wrestler askren
@@Ghostface__x_ The "muh Masvidal" argument sucks.
1. Askren is infamous for being a one-trick pony, gambling on him immediately shooting isn't exactly rocket science.
2. It's citing *one* fight out of... *how* many striker vs. wrestler matches? It's an exception that proves the rule; it's so famous *because* of how rarely the "I'll just knee him" strategy actually works.
3. If you've never trained MMA, then the idea that you'll KO wrestlers with strikes is quite literally fantasy. The majority of "just knee him" types have no MMA experience, as evidenced by the fact that they're stupid enough to make *any* sort of "just" statement about martial arts.
4. Most importantly; the overwhelming majority of strikers citing the Masvidal fight... are *not* Jorge Masvidal. This point should be obvious, but apparently it's not.
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Hey there guys a little real info . This guys needs to study ufc history a little better , he said if Royce have fought a wrestler on the 1st ufc he would lose, since the 1st ufc had no wrestlers Royce didn’t have the chance to prove BUT, in the 2nd or 3rd edition he fought DAN “the beast” Sever an OLYMPIC Wrestler and guess who won? Yes Royce Gracie
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Need to study MMA 101 bro
I said he proved that Jiu Jitsu was better by beating wrestlers. But also, ya I’m not a film nerd. I watched Royce back in the day but after 20 yrs of fighting my memory may not be completely accurate all the time.
@@coachkajanPure Jiu Jitsu beat Pure Wrestling but if the Wrestler learn jiu jitsu the game change.
In addition to your reasons perhaps the rulesets have advantages that benefit wrestlers more than others.
And perhaps this is just the time period where wrestling has the edge. Just like bjj did in the beginning. And then years of people asking why does bjj dominate mma.
Im trying to think of which ufc current champs are wrestle heavy and there are more that are NOT wrestling based.
I think it's just belal and Islam that are the wrestle based champs the rest are all strikers or well rounded
Elite wrestlers generally have great cardio, strength, grit and the ability to dictate where the fight takes place. They put strikers on edge with feinting takedowns, can keep jiu jitsu guys standing or like you said, press there opponents up against the cage and wear them down. Strikers have done quite well in the UFC as well, many have very average wrestling and jiu jitsu but enough to survive and capitalize on their strength. Ie. Sean O'malley, Leon Edwards, Strickland, Adesanya, Miocic, Ngannou, Mcgregor, Anderson Silva, Holloway etc.
miocic wrestled D1
Wrestling seems to be the most common martial art people have done or still do, that prob helps
Lets start by saying that if it wasn't for bjj no wrestler can beat a jiujitsu just by only using wrestling. So now that's out the way lets talk about these new age wrestlers who are bjj exponents themselves. Khabib and Islam come to mind on how knowledgeable they are on bjj and how to shut opponents down within mma rules. Wrestler who are bjj exponents bring 2 grappling hybrid styles to grapple against a kickboxer/bjjer only stylist. The rules also favor the wrestler/bjjer because it takes 5 mins per round to control the kickboxer/bjjer stylist. Rules is what makes the fights favorable! If you look at Japan or Asian rules back in the day, knees to a grounded opponent and soccer kicks makes a world of a difference. But in America, the wrestlers dominate!
Let's follow up by saying BJJ has been taking from catch can wrestling for decades.
@@Fightingat40Soo many things. 1- leg locks; 2- Kimura’s as a trap; 3- basic wrestling in general; 4- stand ups and hold downs; 5- pinning, so many things being “discovered” in Bjj Billy Robinson was preaching 30 years ago!
@@theodorewurz8424 Yeah a while back one of our coaches was going through techniques and he asked if anyone had heard of Billy Robinson and I was literally the only one who raised their hand. He almost shit himself that the newbie white belt was the only one 😂.
It's really a shame the art has lost its popularity and is just being absorbed by BJJ while not getting credited.
They get too much competition time compared to everyone else. In 1 year they have more matches than entire bjj gyms worth of people.
Appreciate it! For a long time I have the same question, tbh when a MMA match turns to a pure wrestling I kinda lost my interest, hopefully they can figure out a solution soon in that cage.
watch izzy? good td defense, gets up tonhis feet easy
Izzy never fought a good mma wrestlers, now khamzat is coming, usman, aliskerov, bo nickal. I dont think izzy will have the chance to winning the title again against those guys.
UFC rules favor BJJ and Wrestlers too much. Pride allowed soccer kicks and knees to punish wrestlers but UFC protects them from their mistakes
Former HS Wrestler Currently at a Boxing gym that seems to hate wrestlers. They made fun of me for loosing in sparring. I went up again with a different game plan then succeed better. Used a little hand ties grips with boxing gloves my sparring partner was getting 😰 stressed but it was fun.
mma and wrestling long history, pancrase is mma but shoot wrestling rules and shoot wrestling was creation of inoki in New japan in 70s
NJPW is the king of sport for a reason
Royce Gracie won the first "UFC" that had no actual wrestlers in it.
Also the reason wrestlers dominating ufc has to do with the fact that they can dictate where the fight takes place. They can transition from standing to ground fighting.
Oh yeah I haven't seen many pure BJJ guys who's done well on wrestling competitions. So the Rules etc defenetly matters
ken shamrock had a wrestling background. that said the early ufc was honestly kinda shady and I don't take it as the best indicator of anything. I would also point out that wrestling became incredibly dominant in the ufc very early with ken shamrock and dan severn both becoming champions, and there were instances of wrestling beating bjj even back then so long as the bjj player wasn't named gracie.
@@yamiyomizuki I mean Kazushi Sakuraba defeated the greacies and he was a wrestler.
Plus look up Rufino Dos Santos and his match with Royce Gracie...
I agree your opinions but i just want to add something. I think the most important reason why wrestlers (especially Dagestanis) are dominating now MMA is because they are improved their submissions, guard passings and ground controls when you compare them with wrestlers who fought in early MMA times. So i am saying that wrestlers learned from BJJ and used Sambo so that they improved their whole game whereas BJJ fighters didnt really learn anything from wrestling or they didn improve their standing grappling skills. So that wrestlers became more complete fighters than BJJ and other guys and this is one of the biggest reason why they are dominating MMA now. So its not really mean that wrestling is better than BJJ for MMA, it means that wrestling plus some grappling is better than BJJ.
In my humble opinion about what to do against this situation is; i think fighters should start to train standing grappling skills, especially standing submissions. BJJ made grappling literally all about ground fighting but grappling is more than just grappling on the ground. There are so many very effective standing submissions, wristlocks, joint locks and quick breaking techniques in Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Hapkido for example. I know nowadays people have a big prejudgement against these ''traditional'' martial arts but i think we should think outside the box. Everything can be adjusted, adapted and evolved. You can upgrade and mix these standing submission techniques with some defensive wrestling skills and this can be really effective against wrestlers. Wrestlers are so comfortable and confident about making tie ups and trying shots for takedowns because there is nothing to lose, in worst case scenerio they can fail in their takedown attempts but they can try again. But if they would know that when they contact with their opponents there is always a submission or breaking threat even in standing position, they would think twice to using wrestling very comfortably. And this would give a big advantage to the fighters who has no wrestling background in my opinion.
Love the way you think. I’ve been working on a lot of the things you’re talking about but have been mostly focused on old school judo and catch wrestling attacks. I never really thought about looking into tradish ju jitsu or hap for standing submissions. Very good idea that I will take you up on this instant! 👊🏽
@@coachkajan Thank you coach👊🏻It is great that you are taking action and being totally open minded to solve this problem in MMA. This is a great attitude and i'm sure this will work very well🙏🏼💪🏽
Best explanation. It's about being more complete. Wreslters like Ben askren showed striking still an important comment
the ability to decide were to fight your opponent will always be the most important skill set in mma..wrestling neutralizes the strength of the other martial arts..the art or war don't fight your opponent were he's strong , as for pride fc, hendo, rampage, coleman, mark kerr, kevin randleman, all did pretty well...wasn't josh barnett, gomi, sakuraba, fujita, minowa, all some sort of wrestling based style, catch etc.. l would say the wrestlers did pretty well in pride without a cage wall..
Great answer
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You forgot to mention the conditioning and athleticism wrestling at the top level like college and Olympics gives you. Juijitsu guys say you don’t to workout just use technique.
Also mma is the only avenue for wrestlers besides olympic level so thats why most strikers tend to their art
Because wrestling easily transitions into mma. If you do bjj vs wrestling purest form bjj usually wins. But, in mma, with the wrestler, if he adds just enough bjj defence againt bjj submissions, he can always usually transition back to his core strength: wrestling. So he has control over you and while using strikes when the opportunity is there. Making you seem like your fighting a polar bear. Lol.
Wrestler: black bear, shark ("meat heads")
Bjj: mountain lion, dolphin (technical fighters)
Wrestler with mma: tiger, polar bear (you dead my guy)
0:50 they avoided actual wrestlers for the first UFC because it was a gigantic Gracie jiu jitsu infomercial.
Kimo Leopoldo was billed as Taekwondo but he had some wrestling experience when he was in school, and Royce almost died of exhaustion against him if he didnt have that Jiri hair ponytail.
Lol. Just jitsu fighters are pursues. What happens on the street when a wrestler lifts you and slams your back or head l n the concrete? The other thing that wrestles used to be able to do was head but. Without a doubt wrestlers have the strongest next entrepreneur's muscles. That will stun up person or put them to sleep. In any many respective guys completely incorrect . He's making excuses for the other martial arts.And if it wasn't an open field or the street the wrestler would dominate maybe even kill us opponent
Dude it’s the rules and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Forget Royce Gracie
Mma is starting to be its own art kind of like okinawa karate
Lol wtf??? There is more easy for wrestler without the cage 😂
I haven’t listen to the full video but I have a gripe right off the bat. Jujitsu and wrestling are cousins. They’re both grappling arts. a lifetime wrestler can level up in jujitsu very quickly. I did. I can’t speak to the opposite, but I would imagine that a lifetime BJJ guy could level up in wrestling. AllegedlyRickson and mark Schultz went to the Matt for hours.
Why is wrestling such a dominant base should be the question, biggest is how competitive the college level is and what it takes to be top tier means not only do you have to be able to pick up grappling quickly but a supreme athlete as well. This video screamed of a jits guy speaking on wrestling i think it missed a lot of possible nuances while using the cage as the big default
I’m many things, jits guy, wrestler, striker…
@@coachkajan yes i remember shrek like an onion many layers…
1:19 not true I think that’s where you have it wrong. I think the guillotine is the only weakness for wrestler who doesn’t know jujutsu or catch wrestling or judo or any type of a submission fighting. However, the thing about wrestlers is they could pick you up and slam you, and I don’t think Hicks and Gracie wanted any of Mark Coleman or any of the great wrestlers.
Mostly it's because so much of wrestling being about going forward in angles (going forward and sideways), which is the recipe to make your opponent carry your weight and limit their ability to move. By doing so, you tire your opponent under the pressure of weight transfer. And since the guy being taken down and controlled can't freely move, the wrestler can climb up its opponent to such dominant positions as mount and back mount. Jiu-jitsu waits back and sometimes relies on space to have the space to get into submission locks. A lot of wrestling is designed to close space and deny / nullify/ not allow your opponent space to move freely. Jiu-jitsu is a lot of times reactive, while wrestling is taking initiative and forcing your opponent in to less advantageous positions. Jiu-jitsu needs to be infused with wrestling principles rather than the wait for your opponent to give you space / make a mistake mentality, especially because good wrestlers don't want to give their opponent's space to launch an escape / attack.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that there is zero rest in wrestling. From a kid’s first practice at age 5 to his 100th college match…this is a standard trademark of the sport. It dominates all levels globally. No one who gets good to the point of notice at any level anywhere in wrestling can circumvent this.
Khabib? The least “resting” style of any MMA athlete of all time. Even GSP bought his strategic seconds of rest here and there and grabbed some extra breaths or shook out a limb from lactic acid accumulation from grappling exchanges.
Arguably, Khabib really never did while in the cage against an opponent.
Are we talking about folk style wrestlers? Freestyle? Collegiate? Greco Roman?
Everyone has a plan until they go to sleep 🥱
Wrestling is mma. It’s the oldest sport besides running and maybe swimming. It’s just. Here’s your area. You can’t leave it and you must dominate a man your same weight and size. No punching, technical shit. Just Mano e Mano. Put em on their back
Cus of the rules.
Wrestling is best in one on one fights. Data supports it. Wrestling is off the charts and I will put money on the wrestler anytime in a one on one fight. In group fights though wrestling isn’t very good.
I agree that wrestling is one of the best. Especially in a street fight on concrete. However, I was mainly talking about how under unified rules, you can't soccer kick and knee grounded opponents. Rules tend to favor wrestlers in most promotions.@@danieldecristofaro4227
Boxing is better Offensive for multiple opponents, wrestling is better Defensively for multiple opponents
Boxing is better Offensively for multiple opponents than wrestling is, and wrestling is better Defensively for multiple opponents than boxing is.
Wrestling in a way is better overall because you can slam multiple opponents one at a time, but if multiple opponents grab a hold of you all at once, boxing isn’t going to help especially if they dog pile you.
The reason is simple. You can train wrestling every day. You can wrestle a hundred matches in a year and be fine. Our ancestors figured out that if they don't hurt their training partners that they can practice essentially forever and get super good.
Watched a random Defend FC fight, boxer vs wrestler. It was done in an open field, and man the wrestling was less effective. Wrestler would get a leg and try to drive, but the boxer would just hop and keep going backwards. Much easier overall to disengage/stand up/create space in an open field. In a cage, he'd be driven right up to the cage very quickly.
Of course it's only a single fight in a pretty random FC, but the open space clearly made it much easier to just back up and disengage. The cage is definitely a factor.
The other thing is the meta it creates. Better wrestlers get to pick whether the fight stays standing or goes to the ground. Also, better wrestlers can be less afraid of throwing and checking kicks.
All good points
Wrestler are dominant because the first thing you told the cage and the second thing is the ground and pound for the jujutsu guys
Cage actually limits wrestlers,lol.
What are you saying is to run from a wrestler
Wrestlers control where the fight takes place. Usually.
The guy talking is a bjj fan boy. Wrestling produces the most champs even if you don’t like it.
The guy talking is a fan of whatever works. I’ve been wrestling extensively since about 2006
Ecco il motivo per cui preferisco gli incontri di Muay thai
It is not cage. See how Khabib can win no matter who his opponent was
100% it’s the cage 😊
They were dominating MMA
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Is this Chris B? Dave M?
Pantoja - Jiu Jitsu, Sean O'Malley - Striker, Leon, Sean are Strikers too and Alex x Jiri will fight for the LHW title they are strikers.
Sean O'Malley and leon they are have good defensive wrestling too.
@@gogobabe3079 And Every Wrestler have striking in UFC too.
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Kids start wrestling in middle school...
Informative video bro