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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2017
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One thing I appreciate about the film is that it looks at the effect of technology on us in a critical light but is not anti-technology
It's not really anti-technology, it's about how technology is abused for purposes that were never considered during its creation.
Does that make sense?
@@ShadowSonic2 OP didn’t say it’s anti technology. He said he’s glad that it’s not
A great movie that is basically about the nature of reality and the effects of mass media
This movie is criminally underrated.
@@CrazyBanana510 This movie is criminally overrated.
Fixed that for you.
@@johnnapier7439 you were looking up videos on this movie just to hate on it? weird!
What do you mean, it’s clearly about a man getting a living vhs shoved in his chest
I'm so glad you did this movie. Videodrome is one of my 10 favorite films. I love the plot structure of the film, how Max Renn pokes his head where he shouldn't, and is instantly sucked into a dark world he didn't even know existed.
I always have loved the film, but I was always confused by the film's message, which seemed to be about how media can cause violence. I found it confusing because Cronenberg has always been vocal about film censorship, but I heard in the Criterion commentary that he apparently was playing devil's advocate in this film.
There’s always the possibility that it’s just not as deep as analysts are trying to make it seem to be.
@@peacefuljeffreyit’s definitely that deep. Cronenburg graduated from University of Toronto where Marshall McLuhan taught, in which he spoke specifically about how tech and mass media is used to manipulate our society and our reality. Videodrome was 40 years ahead of its time, it is a far greater philosophical film than it is a horror film.
A major theme in the movie is that television has been weaponized to fit political motives. Remember that Spectacular Optical is a weapons component contractor for NATO. And Harlan's comment that it works on just about any one.
Great analysis, sadly the movie was a bit too smart for most of the audience. The Matrix used several of the same concepts but really dumbed them down .
strange brew was a comedy but also exposed these same ideas.
@@gphi6053 Umm...explaining everything to the audience is precisely what being dumbed down means.
@@timhalo7898 the matrix tells you it’s themes yes but saying it’s dumbed down is weird. It’s a more symbolic and robust movie than a philosophical and ambiguous one. It’s a different execution but how can you say one is dumber or smarter? It depends on what type of movie you like
@@emilevangheem6165 Bro, you sound dumbed down LOL
They dont call them TV programs for nothing haha
Excellent analysis of VIDEDROME, dude. It's one of the best I've ever seen/read. I don't think you ever mentioned whether you liked the film or not, but it's certainly a favorite of mine. You should have a go at DEAD RINGERS, which is quite possibly Cronenberg's best film. I worry that Cronenberg may now be retired from filmmaking. If true, it's a sad day for cinema. Anyway, your efforts in putting this together are much appreciated.
I'm a huge Cronen-nerd myself, loved everything from his 70s B-movies to his more recent psychological thrillers. I don't know if we'll ever get another movie from him as I believe he said he struggles getting the funds nowadays, which is to be expected I guess since cinema has become way too soft for Cronenberg's usually transgressive style of filmmaking. However don't despair, as his son Brandon is going on to make movies in the body horror genre.
Crimes of the Future mah boy
Lol dude, look up Crimes of the Future. There's a new cronenburg movie just around the corner!
He’s back 🥲
To paraphrase, "It only affects you as much as you let it, but, it also holds the capacity to bring something out already inside of you," Fascinating! So it's a bit like a more passive hypnosis?
An interesting perspective on analyzing this film. In my opinion, the whole plot after where Max put on the so-called "analysis device" on his head was all within Max's own head, guided by the machine's pre-programmed settings. The ultimate objective was to test the effectiveness of brainwashing ordinary people into submissive assassins and conduct covert black ops. Spectacular Optics would most likely be a front for the CIA MK-ULTRA Project due to its motto "Keeping an eye around the world". In the end, Max's complete submission to both "sides" of brainwashing and his ultimate suicide had proven the brainwash signal to be completely success.
SPECtacular OPticS
I thought the same thing, that he was hallucinating the whole time, because you never see him take off the device.
@@jaymeswest There was a deleted scene where Max is walking around the next day and looks in a window and sees himself still wearing the helmet.
Very interesting. But I think the ending works well with the idea that his merging with technology made him a tool; an assassin, to be used and discarded...in a disposable world.
I remember reading Oblivion was based on Marshall McLuhan
I just watched this today, didn’t know if I liked it or hated it.
I think I like the ideas behind this movie much more than the movie itself.
Leon, this is one of the best videos you have ever done - a perfect mix of an interesting film and your excellent insight. Very glad to be supporting your work on Patreon. Keep up the good work.
The fact that observation can manipulate and affect outcomes on the quantum level, it makes one wonder if the Idealists might have at least a piece of the puzzle.
I took a metaphysics class about a year ago, and we covered this topic. It's cool to see it applied at a pop cultural level. Thanks for the analysis!
Yes!!!! I'm so excited to hear your take on this favorite of mine!
Excellent work once again. I really enjoy the way you apply your dedication and your background as an educator to really dive in and explore the themes. And you deserve some recognition for all the research that you do - After all, the hard work exists whether someone observes that you did or not.
New flesh, who dis?
lol omg OctopusHermit
Creepiest thing is when Max is watching Oblivion's tape and him droning on and then the small pause, and then "Max" spoken from Oblivion and the TV set.
My favorite video you have done so far. Wish trying to find more on this topic.
One of the many things I admire about Cronenberg is how precise and meticulous he is as a director. Almost all of his films are only 90 or 100 minutes long. If you get up to pee, you're probably going to miss some important information.
My criterion bluray of this film is so freaking awesome. I watch and listen to the commentary about once every 2 months....so good!:)
BTW, great video.
This is a surprisingly good analysis. I was initially thinking more in terms of perspectivism, but your thoughts on idealism and how it is represented were insightful. A mention of Kant and the "thing-in-itself" could help conceptualize the relation between observer and that which is being observed, but you presented the basic ideas well. You just got yourself a new subscriber, my friend. Great work!
Long live the new flesh.
Thanks RC. Always thoughtful and entertaining. Keep on comrades:)
Awsome a Renegade Cut of my second favorite movie!
So what's your favourite movie?
thank you for the resume i just watched this movie and got so many questions, but in general you answered them all thanks
Great movie, and, as usual, great analysis.
I've been waiting for this.
Absolutely amazing video there were multiple points where I felt a very interesting philosophical understand that hit me like a truck I can’t wait to go watch this movie now
i wasn’t a big fan of this film but this video definitely makes me want to see it again
I still haven't seen the film but a lot of the stuff in this video reminded me of serial experiments lain.
i literally just said this omg weird to see someone else comment on it
I remember watching this is a kid. Although I didn’t understand it, I was spooked when Masha warned Max “ It (Videodrome) has something that you don’t: it has a philosophy”
I love your analysis of this film, a truly horrifying work that was forty years ahead of its time. Thank you!
I enjoyed this analysis. Thank you.
have to do a presentation on this thank you so much for clearing it up for me
Interesting analysis, although I am surprised that you did not make the direct connection of Brian O'Blivion to Marshall Mcluhan, as Videodrome is a summation of his philosophies through the lens of a horror film.
Altered states, scanners, and videodrome. The videodrome universe.
I’ve shown this to my friends and they either got bored or fell asleep. I’m able to watch this weekly or yearly. I mentioned a rewatch and they laugh and go really?
Underrated ! James Woods was really great in this and Cronenberg’s Directing is magnificent also in this!
"It teaches us half truths about culture's not our own"
You mean Japan isn't filled with cat girls and giant flying robots?
my waifuu nooooo
good analysis, underrated channel
Great video man! I love this movie.
Wonderful! Thanks!
I watched this at about 13 years old on the tv reeaaly late one night, didn't understand the film at all.
Great vid!👍
thank you for explaining!!
Awesome review.
I'd be a patron if I wasn't 13 years old
now you are 16
@@mrkrabs9896 lol
well I was watching annoying orange when I was 13 years old
now you are 18
such a great film
I streamed this movie in virtual reality for Halloween. Although a lot of people didn't understand it, it was very meta. As you are literally encapsulating your face with a screen as you watch this movie.
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Interesting! Could you explain the difference between Idealism and Phenomenolgy then? Because they seem to deride from the same train of thought (and both are against Cartesian philosophy).
Literally just watched this film about 30 mins ago , great video'
A masterpiece of film
That was how I interpreted the ending too.
I watched “Videodrome” again about a year or two ago, having seen it long before that and not remembering much about it.
What I remember of the end was that Max sort of walked off into the sunset. I don’t remember him killing himself. Did I see a version with an alternate ending or something?
Well that movie was prophetic
Wow! Cool video xD
Nothing exists unless observed. God observes all. Who observes God? Humans?
@@rickc2102 What about non human life; do they have a god(s).
Oh shit dude this is tripping me out man
This is actually a good movie.
What a controversial statement 😜
I hope people really listen to this. Fucking deep thank you for the video
These themes are more relevant than ever
I recently rewatched Videodrome. Still one of my all time faves. Unfortunately it's a technology period piece. I hate to say it but IMO Videodrome could be rebooted for the social media era and be really scary if done right.
although ive seen the movie, u gotta put spoiler alerts for people who want to watch the movie
Wonderful video, as always. Really been hoping you'd cover this film for a while. One thing you brought up about the film has always confused me though. Why exactly do Barry and Harlan think that North American society's growing interest in sex and violence will make them weaker compared to the rest of the world?
I may be wrong, but I see they position as people who believe they know what is right for the nation. They hate sex and violence as it will make people weak. Barry and Harlan have a worldview, a philosophy, similar to Brian Oblivon's daughter. I saw this movie once, but I view Max as a pawn in this war between the daughter and Barry/Harlan. They want to shape humanity's future in their own worldview, and don't care who they have to destroy to achieve it.
This is the only time I've seen someone fully deconstruct Cronenberg's "Videodrome" in a way that I agree with.
The author even properly labels Berkeley as a "metaphysical idealist", even though Berkeley is one of the most famous epistemological empiricists. These two things are non-contradictory in the solipsistic Berkelian philosophical system, even if they are plainly contradictory given a more coherent metaphysical and epistemological system.
I saw this movie on HBO 1983 when pay per view TV was uncensored.
There was a nipple piercing scene. It was the sofa scene where Niki said to Max "Want to try a few things..?"
Very next scene Max needle pierced her nipple through and through on closeup with a drop of blood and all.
There was no "sex" involved but the inference was unquestionably obvious.
The whole movie was provocative, but that scene was on the pinnacle edge.
I have seen the film many times since and have never seen that scene again.
When I saw your review I hoped I would have my answer.
Maybe you could help me find the answer?
I'm wondering if there is a directors cut somewhere of the original.
I wish I could have the opportunity to see it again UNCENSORED.
Long live the new flesh 💀💀
Deep
I found it surprising that you didn't mention Baudrillard and Stuart Hall's ideas about Hyperreality and Social Agents structuring our reality. Great video otherwise, Berkeley's idealism hadn't come to mind upon initial viewing.
If no one is there to see me steal then am I a thief.
Not gonna lie, I'm pretty fond of this movie.
Max shoots himself at the end then wakes up at the start.
A film about the deep web....way ahead of it's time!
I'm still confused🤣🤣
Interestingly, this does seem like a "matrix" program.
this seems whole lot like something mcluhan might say.
I just presently formed this theory. ‘Videodrome’ inspired or influenced ‘Tetsuo: the Iron Man’, a 1988 Japanese film.
I just seen that trailer. Is it good?
It's pretty well known that Tetsuo was influenced by Videodrome, both great films.
I absolutely loved this movie. Very progressive themes for the time. It's time for a mind blowing remake.
Why remake a movie that's already good? Better to remake movies that are shitty.
Influence of media in society
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I hope this means Cronnenburg month
Renegade Cut Cant wait for that They Live episode. It could be you reacting to the fight scene and I'd be more than satisfied.
Don't think I've ever heard of this film before. From the sounds of it, it's a more high-brow Evil Ed.
Or perhaps, the other way around, when considering the release dates.
I'm not much of a fan of Cronnenburg's work beyond a couple of his films but because of this video essay I'll check out Videodrome.
Long live the new flesh...
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Hey thanks, long live you too buddy
If media influences our perception of reality...is it important to ask who owns the media that is so influential....?
Sounds like 2020 !
Movie was PURE ASS. so was Existenz. Don't @ me