Monarch 10EE Lathe Gear Segment, Part 3: Cutting Gear Teeth on the Horizonal Mill
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Monarch 10EE Lathe Gear
Segment, Part 3: Cutting Gear
Teeth on the Horizonal Mill
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Nice work! :) Glad someone cares about the machines that built the base for most of the good things we have today.
And I wouldn't worry too much about negative comments :) You show actual work being done, they demonstrate their ability to write youtube comments. I know which of those two I respect more.
Thanks for sharing the entire set up process Keith.
Great "use" instructional on gear cutting. Thanks for the look.
Nice work Keith...
THANK YOU...for sharing. Enjoyed.
Thank's for another great video Keith. You explain everything so well it makes it easy to follow.
Very interesting process, Thanks Keith.
Hi Keith! I love watching you cut Gear Teeth! A lot of work goes into that job and it turns out great ! Hoping that you had a awesome Easter!
Great work kieth. I'd say even your spacers where pretty true. Cool solution with the wires and cutting two side's. Seeing a process come together like that and the workpiece indicators real time. Priceless
i love the set up and the brain power to know to make it two sided to make you one side work out. great work!!! thanks for sharing!!! hope your feeling better.
This should be part of your highlight reel. I learned a lot. I think the part was an excellent exemplar for teaching. Plus GEARS! Thumbs way up. Thanks for sharing.
Learned something again! Thanks Keith!
3:18 Man walks up to the toolroom: "I need a wrench."
Toolroom guy: "What kind of wrench?
Man: "It doesn't matter. I'm just going to use it for a hammer anyway."
He's using the adjustable hammer.
AKA a Swedish nut lathe
My guess is the spindle is already going south. 7/24 tapers are not supposed to lock in place. I had the same thing going and the more you smack the more the bearing start to overheat and they lock the tapers deeper into the bellmouthed spindle nose. More smacks, more heat, more sticking, more problems.
Where does one find a dividing head setup? I’ve been looking on marketplace, eBay, and craigslist and only saw a handful for sale.
Morning Keith. What a way to start the week with a video from Keith.
Fun stuff to watch! Thanks!
You do an excellent job explaining what you're going to do and why.
I used to run one of those machines making airplane parts at McDonnell Aircraft in 1958. We built Phantom airplane.
Always enjoy your videos.
From Missouri.
man, those 4 Gerstners behind you look good!
Good stuff
Thanks for sharing the journeyman to apprentice tips: don't tighten the unsupported arbor, wipe the inside and outside of the taper, go with the lower of 2 possible feeds and speeds, and tap the taper loose with a crescent wrench. :-0
Wish we lived much closer, would enjoy being able to help out from time to time.
Yep same I'm in France.
Gonna start callin you "GearMan." Great gear cutting video as always, Keith!!
If there is one thing you will learn from Brother Keith is how to properly set up an arbor in a horizontal milling machine. And you will fully understand why you tighten the nut without the over arm supports in place. Love it!
Happy Easter all
Thanks mate, same 2U.
very interesting, thank you
Cutter dia measures 1.75" an then you say 1.25" when using your slide rule to workout your surface speed, 😬lol👍..
Great video keith, as always, thanks. 🇬🇧
Good morning Keith
My son always carried a crescent whammer in his tool box.
Thanks for the great video s ..
G'day Keith. That's a lovely big dividing you head you have mate. Makes the one I just bought look like a dwarf. After watching this video I'm too embarrassed to show mine now 🤣. Cheers from Downunder, Aaron
Nice Bart Simpson badges you made.
Another great video Keith. Just an aside. Who on earth presses the "thumbs down" on all these videos?
Guys who believe in 5G death rays, a flat earth, no moon landing, and saw Elvis at a 7-11 in Peoria. Great name, by the way.
@@mmm365 So someone like you.
"Thumbs down" - "Thumbs up"...... makes no difference to UA-cam. They are all considered views. Views are what are important to Keith's channel. The "haters" think they are are somehow hurting the channel when in fact a "thumbs down" is beneficial to Keith!
Nice!!
Great work as usual. Do you have a table showing the over the wire measurements or a formula to calculate that?
Every tool is a hammer,I once heard somebody saying...:)
I don't know why, but for some reason this was more interesting than gear cutting videos usually are. Perhaps it's because the work piece isn't completely circular so there's some extra thought involved.
You have forced me to redefine the nickname Gearhead, Keith. I sure do enjoy your videos.
Regarding arbor/cutter run out- at least your machine has auto feed! My Nichols mill has a hand lever for feeding, so you get a real feel for how it's cutting, and even if the cutter was aligned perfectly, you'd still get slight scalloping on the bottom of the cuts.
very nice, one of my pet hates is cutting gears
Hey Keith. I have been around machine tools for 40yrs. And your going to laugh. My friend, my name is Keith Monarch from Michigan. Worked in the automotive industry...
Keith, since you’re making parts for the 10 EE, maybe give us a quick look at yours and the condition it’s in?
It might be buried way down in there. On the other hand it might be super easy to find.. :)
He has a video on it from several years back.
ua-cam.com/video/uLbpVKLZjrE/v-deo.html
@@davidhoward2237 Thanks for the link! I didn’t know Keith had done this one.
@@jeffk7017 yep been awhile
So I don't know how critical those 2 holes will be to the gear position, but if they are, then your not aligning all the blanks, may come back to bite you. Let's hope not. Stacking is so efficient, it also means less deburring of sharp edges.
My OCD kept looking at those not being fully aligned.
hey keith as you say its of no concern and its effects are minimal but after looking more than once and on more than one video over the years ive come to the conclusion its your arbor thats bent ...i think you had 1 splitting saw that wasnt on center to its bore but i havent seen that one in years now ;] . thanks for the videos
Hiya Keith
12:00 I'd asked Abom79 for an explanation of the support adjustment so this is a great bit of info for me. My observation though is that when you put the arbor support over the bearing, it slid on easy and you didn't spot any tightness at that time - so it seems a bit off that it's started to run tight/hot now.
Of course, if this support was well engineered, the bearing should be of a material that thermally expands more than the journal thereby as it warms up, it becomes less tight and is therefore a self-adjusting bearing !
Cast iron actually expands even less than steel so it will in theory get a little bit tighter when warming up.
@@MF175mp So the bracket should be made od steel and the journal cast iron.
5:12 Err, Keith.....you've for gotten something !
I have been watching Keith and noticed so difference in the width of some of the blanks you have in your jig. Does this change anything when the blanks are machined in any way? Just wondering because I'm learning every video you produce and try to steer clear of the new fangled multitasked machines of today.
Would a gear tooth vernier caliper have worked instead of having to go around to do the 180 teeth? I don't recall if you have one.
Early Arbor Day!
It looked like on the original there was a space on the out side then a tooth but your new ones all have a tooth on the out sides could that cause a interference issue on the machine you might like to check that now before sending them off
Does it matter that the pieces are not stacked smoothly on the sides?
i was wondering exactly the same thing, only i was wondering if the new gears should be even clocked with the oryginal one or is that just a whim
because those 2 holes might had been designed to be in a specyfic ofset from the teeth or this might be irrelevant as long as the teeth are formed corectly
Sounds like a few of us would like to know if the small holes need to be position clocked to a tooth centerline (real or imaginary tooth centerline). I've watched this video and the previous one, loved them both, but don't think small hole clock positioning has been addressed. Thanks for great videos.
No.
@@paulcopeland9035 Thanks for the explanation! (jokin')
@@currentbatches6205 Glad I could help.
When he ganged the workpieces he didn't line them all up.
Doesn't matter. This piece is just a lever to move a switch.
Don Keith Rucker.. thats more than 100 mm/min in table feed. It's quite a lot with that little cutter. You my man .. keep rolling 1 of those Yankees needs to be * with 25.4mm rit ? to get into SI unit MM rit?
I noriced that the blank next to the full width blank was rotated a few degrees away from ther others. Does that matter?
I was thinking the same thing allready in the last video.
I thought he would line them up for cutting the teeth.
It wouldn't matter if the offset was the same as the gear pitch.
No.
How is the chuck mounted to the dividing head? I have a Van Norman dividing head that has a number 50 taper in the spindle and I'm not sure how a church would be mounted to it.
15:02 demonstrating one uses of the Craftsman 4 in 1 tool: Hammer, Pry bar, Chisel, and Screwdriver.
One of your blanks slipped during the turning operation.
I see it too.
That misalignment made my OCD kick in hard!
@@MbanziSD Yeah- you want to yell, but then you realize it's all done already. No big issue on the function, but that one piece ended up with a tooth missing on one side and an extra thick on the other. Keith can use that on on his machine.
I was just curious, since this goes in an electronic component, is there no issue with how the teeth are indexed on the piece? I would have thought that the 2 indexing holes would need to be aligned with the proper indexing of the teeth? Just curious. Thanks for sharing, enjoying you make these...
A 1940's "electronic component"! There is no issue with exact indexing of the teeth. This piece is just a lever to move a switch.
@@paulcopeland9035 Good deal, I guess the 1940’s electronics were somewhat limited. Lol
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, TELL THE CATS & DOGS TO BE GOOD & HI [ BACK TO WORK ]...
I know the back radius is just a cast surface. But could you rough cut it and then mill it using the dividing head?
When I was a apprentice my Boss (owner) would have a fit if you layer your tools on the table or ways
"layer" ? I think I will have a "fit".
The new parts do not have the teeth timed the same as the old part. Looks like there is a few degrees difference. Will this be an issue during use.
When he drills the holes he will time them to the teeth, there will be an extra portion of tooth on the outside edges with enough tolerance for the difference
Is there any disadvantage to using a slower and lighter cut than recommended in this sort of thing, other than the obvious taking a bit more time?
Just looks like the work pcs isn't perpendicular when u wur finding the centre, but might be the angle of the camera
I love you keeth
Nice video :)
How did you work out how many teeth were needed for the whole diameter?
I like your adjustable wrench “hammer”!!
All tools, no matter what their original purpose, will probably be used as a hammer at some point.
Every tool has a hammer side.
i checked the site you recommended and nothing comes up when I type in the lathe description,
Hi Keith,
Just wondering why you cut the teeth on both side's of the long bit of stock?
Great video and narration as always
Thanks
Rodney
_Keith explained the reason at _*_23:48_**_._*
_Having the full diameter allowed him to take over-wire measurements._
_Over-wire measurements tell the machinist whether or not the teeth are cut to the proper depth._
On the back side gear, it seems to me that all you really needed to cut was one gear gap/space. You only needed one for the pin.
That's what I was going to ask.
Is it just me being fooled by the spacer stacking or is there a slight wobble in the bar with the cutting head on it? Pretty sure I can hear it in the cutting as well.
Would you happen to have an operators manual for a cincinnati 15 tray top lathe that i can download?
You have checked vintagemachinery.org already?
I love to watch a real pro.
Your title has a typo. "Horizonal Mill" should read "HorizonTal Mill". Also- the thumbnail is even worse. Ooops!
Great to see the finished part. Raphael (Spelling police UK)
A guy who will use an adjustable wrench for a hammer is my kinda people!
Hi Keith, at 10:45 you say you are finding the high spot on the part. If they are on a radius wont they all be the same height regardless of the rotation or am I missing something ?
I was thinking the same thing. I think if you where sure the part was square with the table and if you move it in and out while slowly bringing the table up you'll hit the high spot.
You want the cutter to be able to cut the correct tooth profile, if you don't start with the cutter centered on the highest point on the blank the teeth will have an offset profile and instead of nice even teeth they would look more like a saw tooth.
When you took the plate off your dividing head, you did not wipe off the inside surface before you put the new plate on. It would seem that that area would have more dust and grit because of the holes and might throw the alignment off on the new plate. Great video, love to watch you work.
SPEEDS and FEEDS, formerly chucks
"Electronic lead screw reversal mechanism" on this early Monarch?
Original manufacture was 1941. Yes, it used electronic buttons, vacuum tubes and electromagnets to drive direction switching and auto-stop gears and levers.
@@kindablue1959 Thanks. It would be interesting to see the circuit of that.
I have a k&t 2 h plain. what is the difference between the 3?
1.
wow!
first in line
early bird and all that
going to be a good day
ok
now I'll go watch the video
The second piece closest to the cutter is out of line with the rest, won’t that make the teeth in that piece off?
When he drills the holes he will time them to the teeth, there will be an extra portion of tooth on the outside edges with enough tolerance for the difference
No it won't. Well, in theory just a little bit but what makes most is if the end faces of the spacers have burrs or nicks. That will bend the whole arbor to banana shape when the nut is tightened and that's why most of the old mill arbors don't run true. It doesn't even matter if the shaft would have a slight bow in it, if the spacers are straight, it will pull straight when tightened.
No.
Great job as always Keith. I have to say my OCD was acting up from the time you clamped those pieces on the arbor. I expect it doesn't matter but the misalignment of the pieces makes me wonder. :)
I noticed that too. It looks like the edges weren't square to table. I hope that isn't going to be a problem!
Kieth buddy, why don't you clean that dividing head and paint it looks ugly... just kidding works great, really enjoy watching your stuff.
Keith, for christ sake, the french wrench turned to soft mallet to pull out the arbour?
Don't ever marry one.
Notice the parts aren't aligned?
Looks like the parts being cut were not lined up?
Whilst being no sort of engineer, my instinct would've been to make the initial cut in the centre of the arc to avoid a thin edge at the outside edge - the more knowledgeable folks may know it'd make no difference in this application?
Looks Good To Me Machines Not Perfect
Anyone who uses machines like urs will know there is going to be some run out & those that expect it to be perfect need to go back to school no machine of any age will cut to the exact dia within 1 or 2 thou not happening 👍
every tool is a hammer, unless it is a screwdriver, then its also a chisel.
It's much easier and faster with a 4th axis
0:20 He said 'electronic'. How old's the lathe ??
Original manufacture was 1941. Yes, it used vacuum tubes and electromagnets to drive direction switching and auto-stop gears and levers.
@@kindablue1959 That is VERY interesting !
I've wondered about my mill and adding electromagnets to operate levers to stop the feed.
1. I am soooo drunk because we play a game where we have to take a shot every time you say "agin" or "basically". This one nearly killed us!
2. That the stack of parts didn't line up each to the other nearly drove us mad! Probably not critical, but the offset was obvious and pretty big.
3. The fast forward and skip to the end editing could be much more conservative (shorter sequences) but thank you for them anyway.
I can't get past the fact that his K & T H-mill is labeled "Milwaukee." Ron W4BIN
I’m pretty sure that means it was made in Milwaukee and if you look closely you will see on that round cover plate that it does say Kearney and Trecker
I don't think it was the best of practice to tap out the arbour taper when the draw bar was totally unthreaded. That can damage the last female thread inside the arbour tooling and/or the last male thread on the drawbar.
18:45 When you can't remember the cutter diameter for 10 seconds.
When you get old the first thing to go is the memory, I can't remember the second thing! lol
I've sometimes lost count on the handle revolutions and I'm 23. Now I got DRO's...
@@danmooney6881 No. The memory is the second thing to go.
Keith, I have heard you say a couple of times that the part is for a 10EE, but you are not sure exactly where it goes. Does timing of the teeth relative to the two locating holes matter? I would have thought so if they needed the two locating holes. I noticed in the turning video that the second block back from the mandrel nut was rotated somewhat relative to the third block, and continues to be so this time around, and also that there was no real attempt to clock the blanks to match the original while cutting teeth. You may need to consider this when setting up to drill the two locating holes, rather than just set them up relative to the sides of the block and the mandrel hole. Just wondering?
This part is just a lever to actuate a switch. All of this concern over timing and alignment is useless. Keith has built this exactly how it needs to be and how it was originally.
I just sacked you.
No one in my workshop uses an adjustable spanner as a hammer !
The oil sight glass looked empty.
Do you think that might have contributed to the squeak ?
That gear cutting attachment is looking a bit rough, with grime, questionable paint job, and surface rust on it. Put you helper minion on sprucing it up a bit, so it looks right in front of the cameras.
Go away. Quit trying to start shit.
An interesting comment was made by a viewer on another creators site about dragging out the content. @15.28 Keith has not yet cut one tooth, he has spent all that time removing the setup from a previous job and setting up the mill and the dividing head to cut the teeth. Why wasn't the setup done before the camera was switched on? How many of us have keith's model of K&T mill, or the same dividing head. Maybe a 1 hour video soup to nuts, complete would be better than dragging out the process in video after video. Notice if you will content creators with millions of subscribers, often the videos come out once a month, they are scripted, rehearsed and shot, then released in 4k. Go look at slowmoguys, 4k for years. Videos released once a month, or smarter every day, Mark Rober. We put in the time watching the content and the ads, good camera equipment isn't expensive, shit my phone can shoot 4k as I am sure Keith's iPhone can as well.
Do you not have a mouse? If you don't like it don't watch or just skip ahead. No need to be so critical. I don't see you going to the trouble of making videos and sharing your expertise. Perhaps you have none other than complaining.
There are a lot of things the operator has to do right to set up horizontal arbors with overarm supports. Don't get slap happy with these set up details or you will ruin the arbor. Likewise how many people actually know how to use a dividing head? This is a time consuming process to do. It takes even more time to film and more time again to explain the pertinent details.
@@mmm365 So one must assume that you are both an expert machinist and content creator...where do I go to see your videos?
@@mmm365 But you know machining? i did not make comment on the video. I enjoy them immensely. I have no machining experience nor do I make videos. Just take issue with negativity when not needed. if you don't like them...why are you watching?
@@mmm365 Um well that would be the comments about being average.... And hey I have a grade 4 education!