The other BIG PROBLEM with these high horsepower street cars is these young people get a hold of them and drive them on the street like a wild person then they try to out run the cop's and get people killed and they don't realize they are driving a murder weapon in wrong hand's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dodge should simply offer to buy them back at MSRP, then sell these now used cars at invoice to those of us who don't care about the top speed limiter. Easiest way to make them go away while costing them almost nothing...
I love your vids Brad, especially how you promote taking personal responsibility for one's choices. Honestly, if someone pays six figures for a "special purpose" automobile, they should be well-informed about the car, including speed limiters, especially if speed is what they care about. Watched a UA-camr yesterday, claiming to be a real gear head, who had purchased a Demon 170, yet he was whining about the speed limiter as if he had been duped. Seriously?!? He didn't know about the limits of the driveshaft? When I special ordered my '22 Scat WB Shaker 6M in Sinamon Stick, I did my research as to what the car can and cannot do and what its strengths/weaknesses are compared to other cars in its category. No surprises, just deep satisfaction! Keep informing and educating OCM!!!
I never saw these vehicles as anything more than track cars. Other than markups I don't understand the issues. It wasn't advertised as anything but a track car. The opener for the vehicle was where? At the track.
A 812 GTS smoked the Dodge Demon 170 on "track" 4 times in a row, the 812 was factory NA v12 front engine rear drive. If I paid 300k for a dodge it better freaking beat a luxury GT coup but it can't/didn't. This was on the Hennessy Race track Straight, video is on their YT channel. Add in a top speed of 149 unless in Drag mode to 159mph while most super cars are 200+ mph ya no thanks.
I'm with you guys I build my shit I don't buy it and I can build a bad ass fast car for a quarter of the price of a demon and beat it I watch all kinds of drag racing and the demons challenger's ect are never there a bunch of horsepower and that's it no suspension no control shit breaks and a shit chassis love the way they look but there not worth it.
You are correct, it’s an awesome car! Just won’t pull a horse trailer either. It is what it is however it’s an amazing car. If you paid over sticker, that’s on you.
OC Motivator/ OG Motivator. The Demon 170 Is cool. It sucks that Dodge is doing this BS. I'll have to say that the Scat Pack is the Best package for the money. I have a F8 Green Swinger Challenger and absolutely love that car. Your doing amazing work, always giving us advice on finances and being a honest fair guy. Keep up the good work.
what they did is smart and ethical. It is literally on very damn dodge sticker (not on some mopars like the redeye that is equipped with the 99y rated tires) clear as day that says Speed Limiter. The same people who will pay insane Mark ups for this car are the same type of people who will try to run the gauntlet on V rated tires. Trust they won't live to tell the tale if try it. Also, the car is more than capable of running well over 200 mph. All someone would n ineed to due is a simple tone to take off the limiter and it will go. Hopefully these people will be smart enough to pay for 99Y rated tires that can support a 2 ton car going over 200 mph.
Is there aftermarket software for it? My 1991 BMW 850i was speed limited to 155 mph on the USA version. I bought a Dinan Stage 2 kit (3 chips) for engine and transmission. On Mid Ohio raceway, I was clocked at 172 on the back straight away. So, Dian eliminated the rev limiter and gave me an extra 100 horsepower. There should be a fix for the Demon
Back in 2000 I bought a Dakota R/T and there was a class action law suit because Dodge lied about the towing rating. They offered me a buy back minus mileage or 800$ in dealer exesories. I took the dealer exesories.
@@LuckyCharms777I bet you couldn't wait to make that comment. So I typed some words wrong. Who cares. You do because it makes you feel better about yourself. I'm sure you are always the first inline correcting people over the dumbest things. I think you're funny and I would bet you're also democrat.
@@JCVACCARO Yes, you misspelled a word. As for who cares, well you certainly don’t, but everyone who wishes to communicate with others should. It’s not even a matter of you making a mistake, it’s that there’s no excuse for misspelling a word in this day and age of automatic spellcheck and online dictionaries literally at your fingertips. 🤦♂️
This Car was Not Designed for Mile Runs, they are Built For 1/8 and 1/4 Mile Period. First off anyone that would be Stupid enough to run those Tires and Struts at 200 miles per Hour doesn't deserve to own thie 170. Lucky they are able to License them, The COPO Camaro which can go tht Fast and More and NO TITLE! Rebuild the Install a Cage which should be mandatory anyhow, Suspension, Brakes, Change Wheels and Tires, fix the Aero, and Most Likely a Rear Gear Change! Also you said it Correctly The Dealers that Jacked the Price, Made Fake Docs Etc. Are gonna be Taken to the Cleaners as they Should be! By the way Hilarious Video!
@andyd5492 OK but it was a quick Slip up, my comment as a experienced, Drag Racers know this car as speced wouldn't be safe at anymore than 150. And spending 250k I would have researched big time. But part of the Blame lays on Both Sides.
I'm philosophical about this issue. If one owns a Demon 170, use it for its intended purpose. If you really wanted a road racing car, trade it for a Hellcat widebody. But driving a car optimized for drag racing into the 150-200 MPH range would be dangerous and not much fun even if the car's computer would allow it. Don't sue Dodge for creating such a unique and special vehicle.
Hey, kudos to you and your channel. I don't own a Dodge but I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and what you do for the viewers on UA-cam. Dodge should be sued. They manipulated their consumers big time regarding the demon 170.
Dealerships nowadays tend to include mandatory, binding arbitration agreements in their sales contracts-a clever, though highly anti-consumer, legal move. Those that do are probably going to avoid (a) getting dragged into court, (b) inclusion into class/collective actions, (c) being subjected to extensive discovery, and (d) publication of any arbitration findings or resolutions. Potential exceptions: civil claims ineligible for arbitration under applicable state/local statutes or criminal conduct.
Ya. A nice fraud allegation tied to a notarized agreement they didn’t honor could knock down an arbitration agreement in a couple of seconds. But who knows.
Complain to the FTC who then might sue for false advertising and fraud. So not only will buyers likely be compensated, but Dodge will face stiff penalties too.
Some people bought these as a showoff piece which never made any sense considering what this vehicle is for, it's a 1/4 mile drag car, It's pointless (damn near dangerous) on the streets for the most part, if you wanted a top speed monster you shouldn't have looked at this car lol. This car is exposing a lot of people for not having common sense.
Hey Brad not everyone that is upset about the top speed paid over sticker! I seen a video the other day of an avid Texas mile racer that has a 2016 Hellcat that he top speed races and saw the 215 mph advertised top speed and traded in a pristine early Challenger and a current Mustang GT350r plus cash to get the 215 mph 170 and wow to his disappointment! He said he paid sticker and he’s not a drag racer!! I think his channel was called Demon170! Probably a new channel! But this guy has a legitimate gripe!! Not only is the top speed an issue I have not seen anyone with a 170 go 8 second anything!! I know not everyone who buys these cars is a UA-camr but a good amount of them are! It’s sad this car is the real modern Dud!! Not the Dark Horse Mustang!!
It's a street legal drag car. I never even considered the top speed when I bought mine. And comparing it to a Z06 or anything like that is absolutely crazy. I had a Corvette Grand Sport and a Hellcat at the same time. They are completely different cars. And actually I prefer the Challenger. It's way more comfortable, and easier to get in and out of. The Corvette is a sports car, the challenger is a muscle car. If you want too go 200 miles an hour then buy a sports car. I prefer the power at the bottom end of the speed. Where in the hell am I going to go 200 miles an hour. LOL.
I would argue that the suspension is sloppy in the 170 and not properly set up for drag racing. Drag racers try to get the excessive movement out of the shocks. There is so much travel in the 170 and that's why it has trouble hooking, and why it does wheelies (which drag racers tune their suspension to get rid of).
The whole Demon 170 deal was a joke, I would never buy one if it was the last car on earth ! The people that purchased them got ripped, good for suing Dodge ! I have owned a Dodge Challenger RT and Durango RT in the past but NO MORE people got fooled big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor Shawn 😂😂😂😂 Glad I got my Last Call Charger Redeye. It’s got everything I need. The Demon is still cool, but you’ve gotta love it for what it is. It’s a track rat and nothing else, and if that’s your thing, cool. But, if anyone bought the Demon because you thought it was going to be a jack-of-all trades, master of none, you either lied to yourself or the dealer’s sales pitch was hella strong. Any of the Hellcats will serve you much better.
I am looking at 2023 Challenger Redeye Widebodies. On the fence though. Hearing alot about QC issues with the 2023's. Regardless of the year your Redeye is. Hope it's been good to you.
This is Crazy. I have a HCRE and if I bought a Demon 170 and it COULDN'T do what was promised, and to know that a RED EYE and Regular HC is faster i'd be PISSED!! Lawsuits need to be levied. Hope people are made whole.
I blame Dodge they created this problem they should have NEVER built these car's in the first place they got carried away and now it's going to bite them in the ass big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I spent 31 years in martial arts. 8 of those years were spent practicing Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, and I can tell you we would have these body builder types come in, and they would think that they could have their way but find out that lifting weights doesn't equate to actual self defense. We had 160-pound guys literally mopping the floor with these 200 plus meatheads! It was fascinating to see.
Regarding the car feeling like it was going to leave the road surface at speed vs racing it on a drag strip - the drag strip is smooth and level while public roads may not be. Sticky tires and track surface have nothing to do with the amount of down force on the car as that comes from vehicle weight and aerodynamic forces both of which do not change whether you are running on a drag strip or public roads!
Supposedly the drag intended driveshaft that handles 1000 + hp at the dragstrip cannot handle high top speed.💁🏻♂️ I feel bad for the people who paid for this 😅.
Very similar to an occurrence in my misspent youth but the little guy was a professional sparring partner for when the big name/lighter weight class guys showed up in Chicago, (Boom Boom Mancini, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, et al). It was the first and only time I saw a human head being used for a speedbag.
As much as I have dreamed, I will never have 2 or $300K to spend on a car purchase, so this is not likely to be my problem. That is unless Zac Brown from McClaren or GM gift me a specialty vehicle. However, it's tough to garner any sympathy for guys who have paid big money over msrp simply because they can. Guess that's a price for having more money than brains and has resulted in damaging the OEM brands who have been a part of this false economy.
Wow, makes me appreciate my BMW M5 Comp; I can go 160 and it feels like I am doing 60. As the old saying goes, power is nothing if you can't control it!
The Demon 170 was never intended to be a Corvette Autobahn car. Buyers saw the Las Vegas debut car. That car demonstrated the engineer design concept of a street and 1/4 mile modern Muscle car. Buyers need to be educated before the investment. No sympathy for any buyer who is complaining about a speed limiter. Who drives that fast on the street anyways? You want a 200 MPH car, buy a Corvette or Mustang. Americans…STOP COMPLAINING. You’re damn lucky you live in a free country where you could purchase the most awesome Muscle Car ever built.
Exactly. I get to drive around in a 1000 horsepower challenger. I don't care that I'm limited to 149. My car won't ever see that anyway. Mine takes the kids to school and picks up groceries
Looks like a distraction, to me ( get em fighting, over top speed now, so they forget we're ignoring shady business practice's, by our dealers ). Just sayin.
We had a guy in high school named Lauren that was HUGH. 6 foot five and 350 lbs. Strong as an Ox. We had another guy named Les. 5 foot one and 110 lbs. They were friends but got into an argument and lunch time and went outside to settle it. The whole cafeteria emptied out to watch. It lasted about 10 seconds. Les (the little guy) kicked Lauren (the big guy) in the groin and he went down like a ton of bricks.
Boo whoo you can't take your street legal car over 149 miles per hour. So many car crashes with these cars going that fast killing people. What very low percentage of owners going to take it to a track much less one you can get that fast. Car is not even caged.
That's the thing about hype. No matter if it's cars, tech, gaming, or whatever. Hype always outshines reason and then people get upset. I'll be interested to see where this goes. For now I'm just gonna kick back and enjoy my 2015 V6 Challenger. It's all the car I need. Thanks for keeping us informed. Great analogy too btw. Keep up the good work Brad!
When Porsche builds a 198MPH car, they have brakes that can stop it consistently at speed. It is unbelievable Stellantis would have 'standard' brakes on a vehicle with this kind of HP!!! $200K above sticker??!!! That's insane!!!
I paid sticker! At Ancira in San Antonio Texas,. I never paid one dime over. I have only praise for Ancira., this dealership is perfect for the customers. hearing all the horror story’s I feel very fortunate to have a dealership who will not screw you over.
Easy answer. If I was Dodge, reprogram the cars for the full effect, and remove the limiter, then add a manual switch to enable one to activate/deactivate. When deactivated, a message comes up on dash, stating your own your own here big boy - your choice, your risk! Problem solved! Then they should also add a GPS unit app, so the rescue crew knows where to go to clean up the mess! G
Great content! I think its sad that a foreign company (Stellantis) has came in and destroyed an iconic American company with years and years of heritage. Not to mention all the American workers that will ultimately be affected by all this too.
This is sad. One thing I hate is when hard working people get screwed over! I've been a Mopar guy forever, and now I can't support Dodge. Thanks, OC, for being a voice of truth about these cars.
I told EVERYBODY i knew to not buy this thing, because i get the inside whisper at my dodge dealership. My buddies got the gt350 and the gt500 and are loving life. They actually said its ginna be in the high 900s horsepower off the transport truck.
Buying a Demon 170 for an astronomical price knowing it doesn’t go top speed is like dating a bad ass chick that won’t let you put it in.
LOL😂 facts or she just let you put the head in 🤪
Spot on
Automotive simping at its best.
Lol. Sounds about right
Lol
This video made me appreciate my Challenger Cat a lot more! What a funny azz story at the end, LMAO
It could happen. They opened themselves to liability when they deleted stuff off their page. Great video.
scat pack flying by you lmfao
Hell a Boxster will
Think I’m gonna play around with a 170 in my scat pack whenever I see one 😂😂😂 big tease
I definitely laughed at that bit too. 😂
@@crazypkmhahaha damn 😂😂
The other BIG PROBLEM with these high horsepower street cars is these young people get a hold of them and drive them on the street like a wild person then they try to out run the cop's and get people killed and they don't realize they are driving a murder weapon in wrong hand's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stellantis screwed Dodge, Dodge screwed their loyal fan base! 😖
And they don't care a single bit
Dodge/Fiat 🤷♂️
They think there a luxury brand now
As soon as Stellantis bought dodge it was insta down hill
What is this Stellantis thing you speak of?
That’s called false advertising, that’s the gripe
Dodge should simply offer to buy them back at MSRP, then sell these now used cars at invoice to those of us who don't care about the top speed limiter. Easiest way to make them go away while costing them almost nothing...
I love your vids Brad, especially how you promote taking personal responsibility for one's choices. Honestly, if someone pays six figures for a "special purpose" automobile, they should be well-informed about the car, including speed limiters, especially if speed is what they care about. Watched a UA-camr yesterday, claiming to be a real gear head, who had purchased a Demon 170, yet he was whining about the speed limiter as if he had been duped. Seriously?!? He didn't know about the limits of the driveshaft? When I special ordered my '22 Scat WB Shaker 6M in Sinamon Stick, I did my research as to what the car can and cannot do and what its strengths/weaknesses are compared to other cars in its category. No surprises, just deep satisfaction! Keep informing and educating OCM!!!
Can you imagine the anger those guys have that bucked up the money for those LOL. OMG 😅
lol that it took em this long to figure it out
I never saw these vehicles as anything more than track cars. Other than markups I don't understand the issues. It wasn't advertised as anything but a track car. The opener for the vehicle was where? At the track.
A 812 GTS smoked the Dodge Demon 170 on "track" 4 times in a row, the 812 was factory NA v12 front engine rear drive. If I paid 300k for a dodge it better freaking beat a luxury GT coup but it can't/didn't. This was on the Hennessy Race track Straight, video is on their YT channel. Add in a top speed of 149 unless in Drag mode to 159mph while most super cars are 200+ mph ya no thanks.
Yeah I'm on team built not bought. You can get exactly what you want that way. I would never spend 200k+ on a domestic car anyway. @@Weidjeep
Not the problem, you're missing the entire point.
I'm with you guys I build my shit I don't buy it and I can build a bad ass fast car for a quarter of the price of a demon and beat it I watch all kinds of drag racing and the demons challenger's ect are never there a bunch of horsepower and that's it no suspension no control shit breaks and a shit chassis love the way they look but there not worth it.
You are correct, it’s an awesome car! Just won’t pull a horse trailer either. It is what it is however it’s an amazing car. If you paid over sticker, that’s on you.
IT WON'T PULL A HORSE TRAILER??? I'm filing a lawsuit I had no idea when I bought mine
You're missing the point along with 80% of the other people. Flying over your heads. Maybe need to use simpler words for ya
@@manh7897 you must have paid over sticker.
Great story and analogy! Always good perspective. In the end, no matter what, there is someone faster. Good stuff, Brad.
OC Motivator/ OG Motivator. The Demon 170 Is cool. It sucks that Dodge is doing this BS. I'll have to say that the Scat Pack is the Best package for the money. I have a F8 Green Swinger Challenger and absolutely love that car. Your doing amazing work, always giving us advice on finances and being a honest fair guy. Keep up the good work.
As many things you have going on in your personal life, it’s amazing how you stay consistent with UA-cam uploads and the Automotive Culture 😮👍🏾💯
😂 Thats a good story compare to the cars. I laughed so hard I ahead tears coming out of my eyes.😂 You're the Man OCM!
Thanks!✌️
what they did is smart and ethical. It is literally on very damn dodge sticker (not on some mopars like the redeye that is equipped with the 99y rated tires) clear as day that says Speed Limiter. The same people who will pay insane Mark ups for this car are the same type of people who will try to run the gauntlet on V rated tires. Trust they won't live to tell the tale if try it. Also, the car is more than capable of running well over 200 mph. All someone would n ineed to due is a simple tone to take off the limiter and it will go. Hopefully these people will be smart enough to pay for 99Y rated tires that can support a 2 ton car going over 200 mph.
You're missing the entire point. Maybe need to use simpler words, or less words and speak slower. Did you listen?
@@manh7897 hmmmm what did I miss?
Over promised and under delivered. Sad state of the car market at this point
2018 Demon does well over 200mph.
206 if I remember
"well over" lol@@santeefinch2339
@@santeefinch2339 211 Top speed
I BET 98% 0F Challenger owners have never driven their car past 130.
Is there aftermarket software for it? My 1991 BMW 850i was speed limited to 155 mph on the USA version. I bought a Dinan Stage 2 kit (3 chips) for engine and transmission. On Mid Ohio raceway, I was clocked at 172 on the back straight away. So, Dian eliminated the rev limiter and gave me an extra 100 horsepower. There should be a fix for the Demon
My nissan sentra has a higher top speed. Give me a 10 mile stretch and Ill straight up walk a demon 170
Lol! I’m just picturing it. Too funny.
It’s just embarrassing for a 1000 hp car.
You are such a awesome story teller
Goliath is the Plaid it requires no skill to drive the Demon 170 is David you have to be skilled to take down the giant.
You are a fool!
Writing a sentence doesn’t require skill, but writing a grammatically correct sentence does.
Lmao…. Nice
@@LuckyCharms777😂
Some people are crying after they bought a 1/4mile car and got a 1/4 car. What's the gripe? Folks Speculated the 215mph from a teaser! ...ooopsy. 😗
The 215 MPH wasn't speculation, they literally said it.
@@ManiacalManiac but was it guaranteed in the owners agreement from the factory? signed papers mean alot, not advertisements
All three of these comments are spot on.
You're missing the entire point. Maybe need to use simpler words, or less words and speak slower. Did you listen?
@@WorshipDaKing This flew way over your head
My 06 charger rt can hit 164 and still was pulling until I let off😅
Bwaa-hahahha
Back in 2000 I bought a Dakota R/T and there was a class action law suit because Dodge lied about the towing rating. They offered me a buy back minus mileage or 800$ in dealer exesories. I took the dealer exesories.
You should have taken the dictionary
@@fartdonkey8290 Who gives a *** you **** head.
So they only offered exesories, but no inesories? What if you wanted to upgrade the interior instead of the exterior?
@@LuckyCharms777I bet you couldn't wait to make that comment. So I typed some words wrong. Who cares. You do because it makes you feel better about yourself. I'm sure you are always the first inline correcting people over the dumbest things. I think you're funny and I would bet you're also democrat.
@@JCVACCARO
Yes, you misspelled a word. As for who cares, well you certainly don’t, but everyone who wishes to communicate with others should. It’s not even a matter of you making a mistake, it’s that there’s no excuse for misspelling a word in this day and age of automatic spellcheck and online dictionaries literally at your fingertips. 🤦♂️
I remember Dodge sayn that it is meant for the track way back & I couldn't understand why people wanted a 170 so bad.
I like it more because it has fenders in the back but not in the front. Those rock chips from the widebodys were unbearable
Dodge could fix this with a simple tune, but then the WARRANTY claims would be astronomical 😮
I read the driveshaft and tires aren't meant for that so just having a tune wouldn't be safe. Why would they expose themselves like that
It's a DRAG RACING CAR Quarter mile only 😂
This Car was Not Designed for Mile Runs, they are Built For 1/8 and 1/4 Mile Period.
First off anyone that would be Stupid enough to run those Tires and Struts at 200 miles per Hour doesn't deserve to own thie 170. Lucky they are able to License them, The COPO Camaro which can go tht Fast and More and NO TITLE!
Rebuild the Install a Cage which should be mandatory anyhow, Suspension, Brakes, Change Wheels and Tires, fix the Aero, and Most Likely a Rear Gear Change!
Also you said it Correctly The Dealers that Jacked the Price, Made Fake Docs Etc. Are gonna be Taken to the Cleaners as they Should be!
By the way Hilarious Video!
Dodge said it could do 215 and it can't, That's the issue, not tires or anything else.
You're missing the entire point. Maybe need to use simpler words, or less words and speak slower. Did you listen?
Sadly, folks who bought into the insanity have to take at least 50% of the responsibility for making such an overpriced buy based on pure speculation.
@andyd5492 OK but it was a quick Slip up, my comment as a experienced, Drag Racers know this car as speced wouldn't be safe at anymore than 150. And spending 250k I would have researched big time. But part of the Blame lays on Both Sides.
I'm philosophical about this issue. If one owns a Demon 170, use it for its intended purpose. If you really wanted a road racing car, trade it for a Hellcat widebody. But driving a car optimized for drag racing into the 150-200 MPH range would be dangerous and not much fun even if the car's computer would allow it. Don't sue Dodge for creating such a unique and special vehicle.
That is LUDACRIS but still a very nice car but people need to totally research things before buying anycar.
What part of drag mode do people not understand? Drag racing is ¼ mile.
The prices these things going for I need everything and the kitchen sink no excuses.
You're missing the entire point. Maybe need to use simpler words, or less words and speak slower. Did you listen?
I’m not gonna lie man I am completely pissed off at dodge. They could’ve made the Demon 170 so much better than they did.
True
It’s a 1/4 mile car!! It wasn’t designed for 1/2 to a mile runs! They need to get over it!
What if Dodge offered a computer reprogramming of the top speed and different suspension tuning, wheel, tire, brake package?
Don't forget the rear axle rebuild.
Hey, kudos to you and your channel. I don't own a Dodge but I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and what you do for the viewers on UA-cam.
Dodge should be sued. They manipulated their consumers big time regarding the demon 170.
Reporting fools paying $50k over for vehicles that are dangerous to drive??!!! We are lowering the bar every day!!!
Dealerships nowadays tend to include mandatory, binding arbitration agreements in their sales contracts-a clever, though highly anti-consumer, legal move. Those that do are probably going to avoid (a) getting dragged into court, (b) inclusion into class/collective actions, (c) being subjected to extensive discovery, and (d) publication of any arbitration findings or resolutions. Potential exceptions: civil claims ineligible for arbitration under applicable state/local statutes or criminal conduct.
Ya. A nice fraud allegation tied to a notarized agreement they didn’t honor could knock down an arbitration agreement in a couple of seconds. But who knows.
Complain to the FTC who then might sue for false advertising and fraud. So not only will buyers likely be compensated, but Dodge will face stiff penalties too.
What? The 170 is a drag car or at least it was supposed to be. 149 mph car. Dang! Thanks OC for the info
Great story that applies to life in general!!😂😂
Guess mark ups are going to start falling off. MSRP or below here we come.
Some people bought these as a showoff piece which never made any sense considering what this vehicle is for, it's a 1/4 mile drag car, It's pointless (damn near dangerous) on the streets for the most part, if you wanted a top speed monster you shouldn't have looked at this car lol. This car is exposing a lot of people for not having common sense.
Does it get under aero trays? Bc that chassis at 215mph is asking to be the mustang in a ditch guy after cars n coffee x10!
Selling point was to be faster than a Tesla, the Hellaphant can already do this in a Challenger.
Unfortunately it’s not faster then the Plaid…oops
Plaid still got it🤣🤣🤣
Loving my ZL1 even more
Hey Brad not everyone that is upset about the top speed paid over sticker! I seen a video the other day of an avid Texas mile racer that has a 2016 Hellcat that he top speed races and saw the 215 mph advertised top speed and traded in a pristine early Challenger and a current Mustang GT350r plus cash to get the 215 mph 170 and wow to his disappointment! He said he paid sticker and he’s not a drag racer!! I think his channel was called Demon170! Probably a new channel! But this guy has a legitimate gripe!! Not only is the top speed an issue I have not seen anyone with a 170 go 8 second anything!! I know not everyone who buys these cars is a UA-camr but a good amount of them are! It’s sad this car is the real modern Dud!! Not the Dark Horse Mustang!!
I’m a vintage Mustang guy, but i love your channel 🎉
One of the best videos you’ve made, great stories and comparisons
It's a street legal drag car. I never even considered the top speed when I bought mine. And comparing it to a Z06 or anything like that is absolutely crazy. I had a Corvette Grand Sport and a Hellcat at the same time. They are completely different cars. And actually I prefer the Challenger. It's way more comfortable, and easier to get in and out of. The Corvette is a sports car, the challenger is a muscle car. If you want too go 200 miles an hour then buy a sports car. I prefer the power at the bottom end of the speed. Where in the hell am I going to go 200 miles an hour. LOL.
A Corvette is more fun in corners than a Challenger. It also zips around better. You don’t have to drive 200 mph to have fun.
@@LuckyCharms777 Corvette is nice, if the roads are smooth. Like I said. They are completely different cars.
Wow, glad I have my little old 1320! At least that will still get to about 170mph
yep the 1320 is better than the 170, been saying that when the 170 came out, i never did like the 170
Where do I go to sign up on the lawsuit?
Really enjoyed the sean story - awesome ! - looks like Tarzan fights like Jane !!
I heard the 215mph will come with a monthly subscription 😂😅
I would argue that the suspension is sloppy in the 170 and not properly set up for drag racing. Drag racers try to get the excessive movement out of the shocks. There is so much travel in the 170 and that's why it has trouble hooking, and why it does wheelies (which drag racers tune their suspension to get rid of).
There is absolutely a LOT of movement in the suspension. I haven't run mine hard yet but it raises up, well, like a boat....
Honestly the og demon looks way better than the 170
Bro...always thought durangos had the back end of a minivan...but the hellcat durango....saw it person...I retract all statements...😅
My hemi on record went 153 mph, from 80 mph
The whole Demon 170 deal was a joke, I would never buy one if it was the last car on earth ! The people that purchased them got ripped, good for suing Dodge ! I have owned a Dodge Challenger RT and Durango RT in the past but NO MORE people got fooled big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean jus tune it or unlocc tha pcm or swap it right???? i mean do any of dodges car actually go top speed unless u mod em
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Poor Shawn 😂😂😂😂 Glad I got my Last Call Charger Redeye. It’s got everything I need. The Demon is still cool, but you’ve gotta love it for what it is. It’s a track rat and nothing else, and if that’s your thing, cool. But, if anyone bought the Demon because you thought it was going to be a jack-of-all trades, master of none, you either lied to yourself or the dealer’s sales pitch was hella strong. Any of the Hellcats will serve you much better.
I am looking at 2023 Challenger Redeye Widebodies. On the fence though. Hearing alot about QC issues with the 2023's. Regardless of the year your Redeye is. Hope it's been good to you.
This is Crazy. I have a HCRE and if I bought a Demon 170 and it COULDN'T do what was promised, and to know that a RED EYE and Regular HC is faster i'd be PISSED!! Lawsuits need to be levied. Hope people are made whole.
The demon 170 should’ve cost no more then 80k
Brad, that's the best story ever!
I blame Dodge they created this problem they should have NEVER built these car's in the first place they got carried away and now it's going to bite them in the ass big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I spent 31 years in martial arts. 8 of those years were spent practicing Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, and I can tell you we would have these body builder types come in, and they would think that they could have their way but find out that lifting weights doesn't equate to actual self defense. We had 160-pound guys literally mopping the floor with these 200 plus meatheads! It was fascinating to see.
Markups or not, it’s a shame they limited the 170 to 149 and the scat packs and demons go what they go top speed. Plus they advertised it at 215.
Regarding the car feeling like it was going to leave the road surface at speed vs racing it on a drag strip - the drag strip is smooth and level while public roads may not be. Sticky tires and track surface have nothing to do with the amount of down force on the car as that comes from vehicle weight and aerodynamic forces both of which do not change whether you are running on a drag strip or public roads!
Supposedly the drag intended driveshaft that handles 1000 + hp at the dragstrip cannot handle high top speed.💁🏻♂️ I feel bad for the people who paid for this 😅.
Needs to be one on their Uconnect radios smh
Very similar to an occurrence in my misspent youth but the little guy was a professional sparring partner for when the big name/lighter weight class guys showed up in Chicago, (Boom Boom Mancini, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, et al). It was the first and only time I saw a human head being used for a speedbag.
Shit that’s funny! 🤣🤣
As much as I have dreamed, I will never have 2 or $300K to spend on a car purchase, so this is not likely to be my problem. That is unless Zac Brown from McClaren or GM gift me a specialty vehicle. However, it's tough to garner any sympathy for guys who have paid big money over msrp simply because they can. Guess that's a price for having more money than brains and has resulted in damaging the OEM brands who have been a part of this false economy.
Spend your money on a Classic Mopar and Restomop/or get a Hellcat(when the market tanks!)
like. plum crazy. wide body scat pac T/A Manuel with no opts just raw a muscle car
Wow, makes me appreciate my BMW M5 Comp; I can go 160 and it feels like I am doing 60. As the old saying goes, power is nothing if you can't control it!
For 200 grand the demon 170 should be amphibious as well as suitable for air travel !😂
The Demon 170 was never intended to be a Corvette Autobahn car. Buyers saw the Las Vegas debut car. That car demonstrated the engineer design concept of a street and 1/4 mile modern Muscle car. Buyers need to be educated before the investment. No sympathy for any buyer who is complaining about a speed limiter. Who drives that fast on the street anyways? You want a 200 MPH car, buy a Corvette or Mustang. Americans…STOP COMPLAINING. You’re damn lucky you live in a free country where you could purchase the most awesome Muscle Car ever built.
Exactly. I get to drive around in a 1000 horsepower challenger. I don't care that I'm limited to 149. My car won't ever see that anyway. Mine takes the kids to school and picks up groceries
@@fartdonkey8290 Yeah!!!!!!!
That's nuts!
Looks like a distraction, to me ( get em fighting, over top speed now, so they forget we're ignoring shady business practice's, by our dealers ). Just sayin.
We had a guy in high school named Lauren that was HUGH. 6 foot five and 350 lbs. Strong as an Ox. We had another guy named Les. 5 foot one and 110 lbs. They were friends but got into an argument and lunch time and went outside to settle it. The whole cafeteria emptied out to watch. It lasted about 10 seconds. Les (the little guy) kicked Lauren (the big guy) in the groin and he went down like a ton of bricks.
Boo whoo you can't take your street legal car over 149 miles per hour. So many car crashes with these cars going that fast killing people. What very low percentage of owners going to take it to a track much less one you can get that fast. Car is not even caged.
love your video. Great story. I am so happy with my extremely rare 1999 Saleen Mustang after hearing about the Dodge challenger issues
What do you expect, it’s a drag car not a sports, grand touring or exotic super car.
You were in Mexico, we gotcha bro
Didnt the Super stock have the same issues with top speed??
That's the thing about hype. No matter if it's cars, tech, gaming, or whatever. Hype always outshines reason and then people get upset. I'll be interested to see where this goes. For now I'm just gonna kick back and enjoy my 2015 V6 Challenger. It's all the car I need. Thanks for keeping us informed. Great analogy too btw. Keep up the good work Brad!
If I didn’t have 2 kids one in a car seat I’d have gotten the c8. The hemi charger is a good daily driver for someone with kids.
When Porsche builds a 198MPH car, they have brakes that can stop it consistently at speed. It is unbelievable Stellantis would have 'standard' brakes on a vehicle with this kind of HP!!!
$200K above sticker??!!! That's insane!!!
I paid sticker! At Ancira in San Antonio Texas,. I never paid one dime over. I have only praise for Ancira., this dealership is perfect for the customers. hearing all the horror story’s I feel very fortunate to have a dealership who will not screw you over.
Im subscribing from the story alone! Lol good work brother 👏
Can you disable that speed limiter?
Easy answer. If I was Dodge, reprogram the cars for the full effect, and remove the limiter, then add a manual switch to enable one to activate/deactivate. When deactivated, a message comes up on dash, stating your own your own here big boy - your choice, your risk! Problem solved! Then they should also add a GPS unit app, so the rescue crew knows where to go to clean up the mess! G
Great content! I think its sad that a foreign company (Stellantis) has came in and destroyed an iconic American company with years and years of heritage. Not to mention all the American workers that will ultimately be affected by all this too.
This is sad. One thing I hate is when hard working people get screwed over! I've been a Mopar guy forever, and now I can't support Dodge.
Thanks, OC, for being a voice of truth about these cars.
i watched racer x's video of his demon on tha dyno and u can see tha disapointment in his face when they find out its governed n power jus drops off
Awesome content as always Brad! Thank you for that awesome story!
2018 Demon owners got screwed by Dodge too, there was never supposed to be another Demon : (
thanks for the info. ive been following all the Chrysler lawsuits as well
I told EVERYBODY i knew to not buy this thing, because i get the inside whisper at my dodge dealership. My buddies got the gt350 and the gt500 and are loving life. They actually said its ginna be in the high 900s horsepower off the transport truck.
I would have never bought it. You should have bought a Shelby GT500. That’s a fully streetsble race car.