Dude I have been having the hardest time deciding what skates to get. Hard time understanding the frames and such. And then when the UFS finally clicked in my brain I figured out I could get an Agro skate and put a freestyle frame on it…. Fml. I’m learning what can I say.
Oh dude this is just what I needed to see. After nearly 10 years out I decided to get back in the game... Yet my blades are an older style pair of gyro's! And I've got new wheels that aren't ground down to the frame and un-rusted bearings coming in the mail which cost a pretty penny (thank f for black Friday sales). But the soul plate and frame is the Salomon style! I had no idea how to find the right kind but this gives me something solid to search for because the gyro's just don't exist anywhere in the internet, probably anywhere in general! I honestly just came in for a passing interest but damn! Now I can learn either what to do to modify what I've got. Or find something 'good enough... Or both. Truly I should've just got a pair of aeon 60's because these weigh an absolute tonne but... I know these! Thanks even if it was unintentional haha
@back to blading have you seen a T-Tra ck.. if the sole plates had a t track and the frames had T wings on the bases to match .. some sort of stopping system to lock the frames in place.. we could do away with UFS. And you could slide frames with wheels already on in place.. if you have anti rocker or freestyle frames for grinding and big wheels for aggressive recreational Skating...you could swap them in seconds as apposed to minutes
Love your channel name, I have recently got back into bmxing and blading (no videos on UA-cam as yet). I love the idea of getting back into something and getting that rush again!
I went to Woodward in 1995 give or take and remember being introduced to the 5050 metal (wrench) grind plates. They were fresh on the market because we couldn't get them anywhere else before Woodward. Was this your first product...These were amazing grind plates...
Exactly the video I was looking for the whole afternoon because I lacked of knowledge about frames and their technical terms in english. I just got Powerslides Imperial One 80 and needed some info to know if I could change them into 3x110 frames. Now I feel that I am ready to continue my research efficiently ! Thank you very much !
How the problem could be solved with the removal of the nubbins is that they can be transformed into bolts. 20mm head, 3mm thick, 5-6mm length to reach the movable nut inside of the shell, with a hole in the middle that would essentially be the opening for yet another bolt - that of the frames themselves. So essentially you'd get a bolt-in-bolt concept, where because you can move the nubbin itself (bottom bolt when changing the frames) you can make a frame standard that's backwards compatible with the current and old UFS Standard, while making way for a new, revised UFS standard that can have any length that is needed to operate functionally, by just moving the frame attachment bolts (top bolt when changing the frames).
Amazing! I picked up an old pair of RB chocolates on eBay for nostalgia sake and I'm thinking of trying to mount an M12 soleplate to the bottom So I can then mount the frame of my choice and have the ability to grind a little better.. Thoughts?
@30:30 ish....what if the UFS bolt head was in the boot side of the sole and the frame only had a countersunk, sealed in bolt. Obviously, you need to be able to access the bolt through the boot, which some may not allow you too (SEBA comes to mind), but all the boots where the liner can be moved would work. There might be a need to revisit the 167mm, I'll play with idea and try to make a prototype with the spare XSJADO stuff i am trying to buy at the moment
Hey, dig the channel. getting back into blading now that the kids got their first pair of skates and are enjoying it. I have some 5th elements on order thanks to your reviews but picked up some old Rollerblade TRS DT4 to get my legs back. I see bolts connecting the frame to the boot (revets for the soul plates). Do you know if these frames are UFS on the old DT4 skates and if they can be swapped out with readily available frames?
I’m watching all of your videos because it turns out I’m really interested in this & I’m learning so much. I’m kind of a mechanical savant & am by nature interested in how things work. You showed some beautiful metal UFS aftermarket frames somewhere. I think they were Kizer. I have to find that video because I might want to buy those @ some point. I also like your 50/50 frames.
This video is nuts to me. My first skates were the K2 fattys, my next were the Roces 5th elements, and my last skates as a kid were the RB TRS downtowns and you mention all three right in a row. If i were like 5 years older, I'd probably have the mount rushmore right there. Question for you though. I'm getting "Back to Blading" myself after 12 years or so gonna build myself a custom skate( btw the Fattys were my favorite skate of the 3) so, boot only - K2 Unnaturals, RB TJ Pros, USD VII, or Them Skates?
@@BacktoBlading thanks for the reply and the info! Wish the carbons were a bit less expensive, they are super ill though (do people still use that word?) Anyways love the channel and super glad I came across it. Also super glad you brought back 50/50 I was always a fan boy of their frames and will for sure be rocking some in the future!
Why can't frame manufacturers make the UFS bolts countersunk, would it make the mounting points of the frame too weak? Also: you've made frames yourself?? Make a video about that!
You might be able to find someone to 3D print adapters for you. Not sure what level of modification those will need though, and what condition they’ll be in after 20 years
@@BacktoBlading i bought them with my first pay check as a teen :D they still have plenty of miles left in them :D in all fairness i stopped skating many years ago just wanting to get back out there as I've seen so many inspiring vids here on youtube lately.
I appreciate that, just remember plastic doesn’t hold up all that well. I’ve seen plenty of shattered shells. If they mean something to you, best to keep them in the trophy case
why 41mm and 167mm? was that linked to manufacturing constraints or mould already developed? 40mm, 165 / 170 mm would seem more "natural" as well as easier to set up : middle channel is 20mm rather than 20.5mm, likely with 170mm (85mm). Do you remember the reasoning between those?
Is it possible to take a frame from an old inline skate that is riveted with a 10 point mount and mount it to a UFS compatible boot? Are there adaptor plates or any other methods you could suggest? Many thanks
Back to Blading LOL I agree it's less than ideal. I've got Nike air zoom hockey skates from 1998 with a nice aluminium rock-able inline frame. Was thinking the frame would be great for slalom on a different boot. Any ideas on how to fit the 10 point riveted frame to UFS boot would be awesome, thanks man 🙏🏼
That’s probably a good reason. I don’t have a good answer, other than getting some 165 mount skates and drilling holes. UFS is flat, so anything raised heel will require adapter plates in the front. That’s a recipe for power transfer loss, not ideal.
Back to Blading my UFS boot luckily is not flat, it's a freestyle/free ride skate, the Seba FR1. The 2 boots look like they have a similar heel height. The hockey frame has cut out sections in the centre of its frame, front and back. These cut out sections of the frame, supposedly there to reduce overall weight, look like they line up perfectly with the UFS mount on the Seba boot. Any ideas on how I could bolt through these points of the hockey frame? Super grateful for your ideas man, thanks
We need a way of mounting that's quicker and easier. Not that it takes forever now, but why not progress. I wish I didn't have to take the wheels out of my flat setup to change frames. Maybe some sort of latch and lever in the soul plates...
yea Roces, not K2!! And didnt they recently come out with a reissue? like they did with the m12s? Ive heard the 5th element described as a wider m12/better for people with wide feet but similar set up as the Majestic12/ Velo V13
but if the frames are movable, the frames wouldn't sit tight anymore. plus old ufs frames will be no good to newer boots, and new boots will all have to be revised
Did not think I would want to watch a 30 minute video on UFS but here I am. Your enthusiasm is contagious!
Dude I have been having the hardest time deciding what skates to get. Hard time understanding the frames and such. And then when the UFS finally clicked in my brain I figured out I could get an Agro skate and put a freestyle frame on it…. Fml. I’m learning what can I say.
Oh dude this is just what I needed to see. After nearly 10 years out I decided to get back in the game... Yet my blades are an older style pair of gyro's! And I've got new wheels that aren't ground down to the frame and un-rusted bearings coming in the mail which cost a pretty penny (thank f for black Friday sales). But the soul plate and frame is the Salomon style! I had no idea how to find the right kind but this gives me something solid to search for because the gyro's just don't exist anywhere in the internet, probably anywhere in general! I honestly just came in for a passing interest but damn! Now I can learn either what to do to modify what I've got. Or find something 'good enough... Or both.
Truly I should've just got a pair of aeon 60's because these weigh an absolute tonne but... I know these!
Thanks even if it was unintentional haha
@back to blading have you seen a T-Tra ck.. if the sole plates had a t track and the frames had T wings on the bases to match .. some sort of stopping system to lock the frames in place.. we could do away with UFS. And you could slide frames with wheels already on in place.. if you have anti rocker or freestyle frames for grinding and big wheels for aggressive recreational Skating...you could swap them in seconds as apposed to minutes
Love your channel name, I have recently got back into bmxing and blading (no videos on UA-cam as yet). I love the idea of getting back into something and getting that rush again!
Thank you! Great video!
I went to Woodward in 1995 give or take and remember being introduced to the 5050 metal (wrench) grind plates. They were fresh on the market because we couldn't get them anywhere else before Woodward. Was this your first product...These were amazing grind plates...
This was the first 50/50 product, and I still have a set! I think they were amazing for the time. Thanks for sharing.
The Rollerblade TRS boot was made by Roces, hence the resemblance.
Exactly the video I was looking for the whole afternoon because I lacked of knowledge about frames and their technical terms in english. I just got Powerslides Imperial One 80 and needed some info to know if I could change them into 3x110 frames. Now I feel that I am ready to continue my research efficiently ! Thank you very much !
How the problem could be solved with the removal of the nubbins is that they can be transformed into bolts. 20mm head, 3mm thick, 5-6mm length to reach the movable nut inside of the shell, with a hole in the middle that would essentially be the opening for yet another bolt - that of the frames themselves. So essentially you'd get a bolt-in-bolt concept, where because you can move the nubbin itself (bottom bolt when changing the frames) you can make a frame standard that's backwards compatible with the current and old UFS Standard, while making way for a new, revised UFS standard that can have any length that is needed to operate functionally, by just moving the frame attachment bolts (top bolt when changing the frames).
This is great! So nice to get a history lesson on the frame system :)
Amazing! I picked up an old pair of RB chocolates on eBay for nostalgia sake and I'm thinking of trying to mount an M12 soleplate to the bottom So I can then mount the frame of my choice and have the ability to grind a little better.. Thoughts?
thanks for the info, thinking about getting into it after 20 years. Last skates I had are the ones you have up there, K2 fattys.
Really great video which has got me thinking...
I don't even rollerblade... Love the video
@30:30 ish....what if the UFS bolt head was in the boot side of the sole and the frame only had a countersunk, sealed in bolt. Obviously, you need to be able to access the bolt through the boot, which some may not allow you too (SEBA comes to mind), but all the boots where the liner can be moved would work. There might be a need to revisit the 167mm, I'll play with idea and try to make a prototype with the spare XSJADO stuff i am trying to buy at the moment
I think there’s potential there. The Rollerblade Dirk was like that kinda. Worth investigating!
Hey, dig the channel. getting back into blading now that the kids got their first pair of skates and are enjoying it. I have some 5th elements on order thanks to your reviews but picked up some old Rollerblade TRS DT4 to get my legs back. I see bolts connecting the frame to the boot (revets for the soul plates). Do you know if these frames are UFS on the old DT4 skates and if they can be swapped out with readily available frames?
Wow! That was a LOT of good information. Thanks. 👍☮️🌞
Thanks for watching
I’m watching all of your videos because it turns out I’m really interested in this & I’m learning so much. I’m kind of a mechanical savant & am by nature interested in how things work. You showed some beautiful metal UFS aftermarket frames somewhere. I think they were Kizer. I have to find that video because I might want to buy those @ some point. I also like your 50/50 frames.
Remz 2.0 have a sliding adjustment for the frames to the boot/soul.
Ah, thattcool
This video is nuts to me. My first skates were the K2 fattys, my next were the Roces 5th elements, and my last skates as a kid were the RB TRS downtowns and you mention all three right in a row. If i were like 5 years older, I'd probably have the mount rushmore right there.
Question for you though. I'm getting "Back to Blading" myself after 12 years or so gonna build myself a custom skate( btw the Fattys were my favorite skate of the 3) so, boot only - K2 Unnaturals, RB TJ Pros, USD VII, or Them Skates?
Of those four, try some Them 908. But really, you need some USD Carbon Free. More similar to the fatty you miss.
@@BacktoBlading thanks for the reply and the info! Wish the carbons were a bit less expensive, they are super ill though (do people still use that word?)
Anyways love the channel and super glad I came across it. Also super glad you brought back 50/50 I was always a fan boy of their frames and will for sure be rocking some in the future!
@@Em4gdn1m sick not ill
Why can't frame manufacturers make the UFS bolts countersunk, would it make the mounting points of the frame too weak?
Also: you've made frames yourself?? Make a video about that!
i have some old Julio Psirus USD in need of new frames, they have the old red 50/50 ones, what do i need to do to make UFS frames fit my boot??
You might be able to find someone to 3D print adapters for you. Not sure what level of modification those will need though, and what condition they’ll be in after 20 years
@@BacktoBlading i bought them with my first pay check as a teen :D they still have plenty of miles left in them :D in all fairness i stopped skating many years ago just wanting to get back out there as I've seen so many inspiring vids here on youtube lately.
I appreciate that, just remember plastic doesn’t hold up all that well. I’ve seen plenty of shattered shells. If they mean something to you, best to keep them in the trophy case
@@BacktoBlading yeah maybe it is time to get a new pair :D these can be layed to rest with the RB Daytona and RB canvas i kept hold of :D
why 41mm and 167mm? was that linked to manufacturing constraints or mould already developed? 40mm, 165 / 170 mm would seem more "natural" as well as easier to set up : middle channel is 20mm rather than 20.5mm, likely with 170mm (85mm). Do you remember the reasoning between those?
No idea!
A circle with a 20mm diameter has a radius of 10mm.
cool vid! learned lots. :)
If I bought a ground control mounting bolts and t nuts could I use those bolts along with a roces frame to mount on a roces boot?
Yep! Should all work just fine.
Is it possible to take a frame from an old inline skate that is riveted with a 10 point mount and mount it to a UFS compatible boot? Are there adaptor plates or any other methods you could suggest? Many thanks
Anything is possible but that’s a horrible idea. Is there a reason? Might be able to give you some ideas.
Back to Blading LOL I agree it's less than ideal. I've got Nike air zoom hockey skates from 1998 with a nice aluminium rock-able inline frame. Was thinking the frame would be great for slalom on a different boot. Any ideas on how to fit the 10 point riveted frame to UFS boot would be awesome, thanks man 🙏🏼
That’s probably a good reason. I don’t have a good answer, other than getting some 165 mount skates and drilling holes. UFS is flat, so anything raised heel will require adapter plates in the front. That’s a recipe for power transfer loss, not ideal.
Back to Blading my UFS boot luckily is not flat, it's a freestyle/free ride skate, the Seba FR1. The 2 boots look like they have a similar heel height. The hockey frame has cut out sections in the centre of its frame, front and back. These cut out sections of the frame, supposedly there to reduce overall weight, look like they line up perfectly with the UFS mount on the Seba boot. Any ideas on how I could bolt through these points of the hockey frame? Super grateful for your ideas man, thanks
We need a way of mounting that's quicker and easier. Not that it takes forever now, but why not progress. I wish I didn't have to take the wheels out of my flat setup to change frames. Maybe some sort of latch and lever in the soul plates...
Agreed. That and a soul plate would be a good design.
Roces* 5th Element ; )
yea Roces, not K2!! And didnt they recently come out with a reissue? like they did with the m12s? Ive heard the 5th element described as a wider m12/better for people with wide feet but similar set up as the Majestic12/ Velo V13
I have a bunch of 50/50 juice fins @back to Balding
sorry but the pleasure tool frames are not 195mm mounting compatible.
the distance between the rear to the first hole should be 180mm afaik.
I always thought that ufs is 165mm 🤔
It’s technically between 165-170 in the spec, which is where the problem lies. 167 is what the original frames were.
déjà vu
but if the frames are movable, the frames wouldn't sit tight anymore. plus old ufs frames will be no good to newer boots, and new boots will all have to be revised
Details would need to be fleshed out, but there’s a lot of potential. Speed skaters are used to movable frames.
@@BacktoBlading but dont one just use the movability to find the right angle and position suiting ones desired skate, and then never change it?
Roces khuti btw, the model after the fifth element
Ah yes, thanks