We ALL need to up our game up with regard to security Willie, There are more desperate people out there turning to thieving, I now have a layered approach to security. The first line of defence is to be alerted to the presence of a thief even before they have broken into your garage. I have driveway motion sensors now, as soon as someone steps foot in my garden/ driveway I will know about it, Next security lighting and cameras, they hate having to work in places where they can be seen. Now the garage door, mine's made of wood, but has been reinforced and I have a heavy duty chain and padlock actually running through the door, on the bottom is a door anchor securely concreted into position. Should they breach the door, they are then faced with an annoying and loud alarm, this is more to confuse and disconcert them more than anything. We now have noise and light and confusion working on our side. Lastly each bike has a brake disc lock through the front wheel with heavy chains through the back and they are all locked together. What I have done is to "Buy Time". All these things will slow the thief, possibly make them go away and look for a softer target or just delay them. In the meantime I can monitor the situation via the camera's and decide if I need to call the police. Police should respond swiftly (we hope) to a report of Burglary in progress. Do not go out and confront them, they could be armed with knives or anything. Sit tight and wait for assistance, possibly inform them via the security camera's that you have called the police. The camera's I have, have the ability to be used as a tannoy also. I can also remotely turn on more lights and an external siren. You should fit deadlocks to the four corners of your garage door Willie. And get some motion sensors, they are cheap and effective, search for "Driveway motion sensor", Condensation on the bike will happen after a cold spell when suddenly the air warms up but the engine and other parts of the bike are still cold. Moisture in the air will then condensate onto the cold surfaces. Not much you can do about it really apart from either heating and insulating the garage of covering the bike in ACF50 or something similar or putting the bike into one of those vacuum sealed bags!! I hope you never have any problems with thieves but always be vigilant.
Totally agree. Worth detection as they come down you drive way . have a look at these system, long long range, totally configurable and robust, batteries in the sensors last years... Guardline Wireless Driveway Alarm
I have the same garage door, I drilled to holes in the bottom of the garage door one on either side and then into the concrete below about 13 mm diameter and then just drop 2 steel pins about 12 mm diameter into the holes. Garage door cannot be opened without first removing the pins. also to foldable bollards about £70 each fitted on the outside of the garage which also works as a visual deterrent. Hope that helps.
The simplest way to secure your door providing you can access from another door is to place a piece of 4x2 across the top resting on heavy duty brackets. Avoid anything that can be seen from outside as it's an advert that there's something worth nicking inside. It's the same with high security locks on a van. It really winds me up that these scumbags would rather take something that someone has had to work hard for rather than go and earn the money themselves.
Hi Willie, i had a similar door set up a few years back with cable locks to the side. As i had internal access, i fitted 4 security bolts with one-way screws, one bolt to each side of the door frame, and one top and bottom into the concrete, so the door was fixed in the frame. When the low lifes tried to break in, they couldn't get the door open, the door outer frame was distorted from levering but woukdnt budge, so they started to peel back the metal around the welds. In the end, i replaced the door with an industrial roller shutter with dead bolts.
Condensation - When warm moist air meets a cold surface. Tthe bike is 2 degrees and the air is 11 degrees and then the moisture in the air condenses as it contacts the cold bike. Everything that is colder than the air will suffer the same .
Bottom of your garage door there is a lip ,drill through the lip and concrete about 6 inch deep then when door is shut push a long bolt down in there on both sides .I’ve used this method for 30 years and I have not been broken into.hope this helps Willie 👍
@@2wheeledwillie395 Get a mate with a welder to also weld a tee or ring on top of the bolts, or better still use lengths of steel bar (I use 3/4" alloy steel bar, the rings or tee makes it easier to pull them out as they can bind), double up by drilling the top rails and use padlocks there too. Bin the door lock key and block the hole and open and shut from the inside if possible, have a look around outside before opening and when returning, don't have anything on show for longer than possible, just a casual drive / walk / passer by can lead to an unwanted visit or an innocent discussion in a pub "saw a nice bike today". Amazing how many people leave garages open, especially visible from roads, I have lost count of seeing bikes and stuff on show and thinking "you must be mad mate"....Unfortunately not everyone is honest, but some people are truley clueless, it's a shame and should not be like this, but welcome to reality. The bolts won't stop a reciprocating saw, all you are doing with anything is buying time and people noticing noise, In extreme cases in the past (have been riding since 1973, and had Harleys near by where clubs were who "collected" them) they will just wazz hilti bolts through and drag your door off with a truck, knew someone who had this done, but their garage was in a block away from the house. Any lock or ground anchor made won't last 1/2 min if they are using an 18V cordless and high quality thin discs, but it all helps, no need to buy top spec stuff, hardly makes any odds (I cut through a Oxford products alloy steel square 10mm section chain in 4.5 seconds with an Aldi cordless grinder and quality disc to show how many tests on UA-cam are cobblers, this was in response to people saying how you have to spend £500 on some monster chain or anchor, trust me you don't). See here......(count the contact time noise, not look at the phone). ua-cam.com/users/shorts-gSTcnO0ZKM Apart from the top padlocks on up and overs I have also done box section drop ins into side brackets in the past, but really the key is the bottom of the door, once that is up a couple of feet a couple of big grunters can fold back cheap doors like they do van doors. Best last tip is think like a crim, you have lost your keys, how do you get in? where are the weak spots and how long and how noisy will it be? Get on good terms with all around you if possible, more eyes and ears are good too. All the best mate, Ed
It’s a fantastic cheap solution, but it can’t be achieved from the outside of the door surely? If there is no standard door then it’s going to be difficult. I’m still going to do this trick as I do have a personal door which is as secure as I can make it.
@@Bassman1999 yes it can only be done from the inside ,now when exit through the small door of the garage I replaced the screws on the hinges with bolts and two bloody good locks .👍
I have a Horman 4 point locking door with a garage defender (I have fitted a high security barrel that is anti pick/anti bump and will defeat all but professional lock pickers) motion sensor security lights and security bolts in my roofing system, alarms and cameras all help to slow down an attack and will stop all but the most determined. I also have a ground anchor with a massive high security chain. Regarding the condensation a section of carpet bigger than the footprint of your bike and a breathable indoor cover should help plus a decent amount of ventilation (been doing this for years and never get any condensation. Take care and keep it sunny side up 😉
The best solution is fo what we do in Australia. Get an automatic garage door opener, bolts to your inside roof and to your door, the only way it will open is with the remore control. The only manual way to open is from the inside which is handy for powercuts.
I'd suggest implementing ALL the suggestions mentioned so far ...that'll frustrate the bar stewards! 😀 One thing to add... if a determined gang really want your bike, they'll plan a way around most of the security they can see outside, so adding security inside (to slow them down and buy you some time) is great as well, but if you do any filming in your garage, just make sure the sawn-off shotgun connected to the door on a hair trigger (or any other internal security) isn't visible in your videos 👍
What i did before i upgraded my garage door is disconnect the cable at the lock end literally just pull it out the lock - It will go back in no problem. That stops them from pulling the handle until it snaps. On your garage door it's light metal so they could literally pull up at the corner and crawl under as there doesn't seem to be any bracing that i can see to it. I'd invest in some deadbolts on the sides (easy to install) but a faff to undo if in a rush. Get good at welding for the bottom, just some ally extrusion but will bolster the door
Many years ago I got a mains powered barking dog alarm for my in-laws garage, it looked like an old style burglar alarm sounder , was noise activated and quite realistic sounding . The trouble was when they went abroad on holiday it was barking its head off during a windy spell and the new neighbours called the RSPCA thinking they’d abandoned the dog in there for a couple of weeks lol
I used to use a bent coat hanger to open my garage door when i misplaced the key. I have a high security roller shutter now, although it was £1500 along with my gates another £1000 and a decent CCTV system which was £300
A common way they get in is to bend the door inwards or outwards from the middle, so bolts on the corners won't necessarily work as they can pop out - better to have a padlocks or fixings that stop the door bending and pulling away from the corners. On the inside.
in my previous house I had the same garage door....I put gates on the outside and drilled the up and over and inserted bols from the inside. I currently have the "bar" option.....made it myself from angle and 1 inch sold bar....... cost less than £100 lock the bike inside the garage as well.....if you can fit a ground anchor IN the garage......yes its a faff when you want to go out for a ride but better 5 mins unlocking the bike than losing it..... BTW I also have a Z900RS.....love it!
If there is space, fit a roller shutter on the inside. This helps with insulation and security. The readily available interlocking rubber mats are brilliant and a good investment as is dry lining with insulated plasterboard or fitting a ceiling to create a loft.
Fit an alarm mine, very effective, they use a blank 12g cartridge and will go off if door is opened. Just ensure you remember to deactivate it before opening the door yourself 💩
I have not locked my front door in the last couple of years. I'm glad I don't have to worry about this sort of thing these days. If it looks like it will be a nightmare to get in from the outside, people will move on to the next target. The problem with most security for garages is that it's on the inside, so people will still try. Extra locks on the outside, flashing alarm box etc
Get a dehumidifier for the condensation issue. I use one in my garage, any burglars will be instantly drained of all moisture…… eh no that wrong…. It will help with the condensation issue. I recommend a new garage door roller shutter, but if they really want to get in they will. Neighbours don’t want to get involved these days and to be quite honest it’s a risk. All the best. Hope everything works out. 😊
As regards keeping your bike dry, consider a Car/bike cacoon, these are not cheap but very cheap to run compared to using a dehumidifier trying to keep the while garage damp free. They run off a 12v supply and cost pennies to run. Far more effective than a dehumidifier as it blows a constant flow of air over the bike. You can even put your biek away wet and it will dry it, Ive used one on my car for years.. Despite the cost they do hold there value as they are difficult to find second hand
Fix 2 heavy duty brackets at the top of the walls each side then put a scaffolding pole across simple job very effective cheap and the door cannot be opened. Same principle as what they have on forts with the double gates
i had my garage broken into last March, KLX 250 taken, i had the same door as you with a garage defender, watching the video of the theft, thief's just pulled on each corner of the garage door until the door came out of the runners, the garage door is then free floating and they lifted the door over the defender and then just dragged the bike out on its side, i now have a metal roller shutter and an old automatic car up against the garage, with your door i would put a garage defender in each corner and an internal bar bolted into the brickwork, use a ground anchor and chain on the bike, have a look at PJB security.
I've got two mortace locks that puts a pin 2inches into the top frame, plus a blind padlock and hasp at the bottom, but if they have a battery disc cutter they will still get in, Air flow for condensation, put some vents low on the main door, and high up on the back wall. Ps Garage has alam, Bike is ground ankerd and Disc locked. 6 locks in total including 3 o the door. Only takes a hour to get me bike out 😂
Very upsetting I had my garage broken into twice I put new doors in and better locks lights and a strong garden gate but if the beggars want to be in I’m sure they will manage it 😢
Interesting about the condensation I've a dehumidifier running now, best thing I purchased, like you say it's when the temperature rises after it's been really low.
The condensation is from the concrete floor.pva glue mixed with water seals it. As for the garage door I can get in that in two seconds without making a noise. I’m a carpenter and biker triumph Speedmaster 1200 . The cheapest and best thing I’ve done is strong bolts on each corner inside with a padlocks.
Two simple sliding bolts from a garden gate, secure to each side of the door, and the sliding bolt goes across the frame. SIMPLE. You get out through the courtousy door. However, this is onlying a deterrent. Regards MikeN
I have just had roller doors fitted to my workshop . You cant get in or out without the remote control . If we loose power i can use a special tool to open or close the doors. I now sleep at night . I also have two cameras covering my yard and workshop. Next i am going to get a full camera set up for the house. Great stream makes you think 👍👍👍
@@2wheeledwillie395 £1500 and worth every penny You could get a cheaper roller door i bough two so thats why it cost that much . I think that your garage door would cost no more thank 1k
Good idea to the spend the money now before someone attempts to breaks in. If they successfully break in, it is not only what is taken but also the damage to your garage, which is likely to be more than an unsuccessful attempt. Suggest you spend a little more than your initial budget ideas, so when tested your garage security works well. All the best.
I put an old breathable lining curtain over my bike and i never get condensation. The curtain is super thin. Covering with waterproof covers will make it worse, You need some sort of air vent on your wooden door, drill some holes in the top or bottom of the door and put some vent covers over the holes you drilled. Maybe an old curtain hanging over the wooden door may help absorb moisture too. Cat litter is meant to work also. Maybe hang up cat litter in some netting in obscure places. Just giving you ideas
I had my garage broken into in the 90’s , they dropped in through the roof . Fit a good ground anchor for your bikes , alarm the garage,, a motion sensor and door switches are a must , wire it into the house alarm . Put a visible bell box on the garage, and a camera . Plus extra bolts top and bottom on the garage door . And as you said a camera inside the garage that will send notifications to your phone , also a beware of the Alsatian sign can help
When I built my workshop at home I had a metal door made that swings open . On the inside there's 2 bolts that secure it shut that I can attach a disc lock to each. It can only be opened from the inside by cutting the locks off. The door that I walk in is the same type as my back door, 5 lever one so hard to get in and break down. I also have a light outside that is on all the time at night. Billy burgler doesn't like lights. The double gates at the top of my drive are high and very difficult to climb over and are padlocked. Basically you need a door that can only be unlocked and opened from inside. Your type of door is easy to get into. All they do is cut a hole in the middle thats big enough to put their hand in and pull the cable. Basically like opening a big tin with a tin opener.
My garage is the same so I put a vent into the side of my garage and it cured the condensation it’s just a pity we cannot put 240 volts into the garage door at night or when were out
got a scaffolding pole straight through garage inside and out cant get in and if they do they cannot wheel bike out. and also dont film reg number plates on door to give anybody whos savvy on internet your address and keeper details
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The sudden rise in temperatures yesterday caused the condensation. It’s was below freezing in the morning and then 11c by 6pm where I live and all my bikes were wet through.
As soon as I bought the Fatboy I bought a dehumidifier ( 20 litre), & have had no problems with corrosion or rust on the bike , as you've seen in the photos I have sent to you last yr, it still looks brand new. I drilled a hole through the shed so I could attach a drainage hose to it to save emptying the tank every 2 days, we'll worth the investment , 160 quid if I remember right. Insulation your garage would be a good project to do when the weather is better, all the best Will 👍
I must get an Oxford Boss alarmed disc lock. My current Leat disc lock went silent after less than a year in a dry garage. I think security lights and alarms are the best way. My door is identical to yours.
hi mate never a good thing to happen to anyone,i have two steel plates (both sides) welded to form an -L shape with steel peg that goes through the bottom of the door with the biggest pad locks i could fit,another thing you mention is tools look around to see if you have anything you could use to cut the locks on your bike yourself ie bolt croppers disc cutters and take them in to your house
Fit a ground bolt lock. It's a substantial cast block that bolts to the garage door at the bottom, this holds a large diameter vertical sliding bolt, this slides down into a brass receiver that is concreted into the garage floor. Then the whole thing is locked with a high security padlock, which slides through the cast block and across a recess in the bolt so it can't be lifted. They are a bit of a job to fit but very secure.
A mate of mine had just that setup, the scrotes used a toe jack to bend up the bottom edge of the door complete with bolt mechanism, thus bypassing his security. He lost a quad bike and a compressor.
I too live in the country and our property is on a small piece of gated private land. I have doors like that on my double concrete garage. Absolutely useless, I can force them open with ease but my location hopefully gives me more security than some in this country. I also park In front of the garage doors at night, or when we are away. I did connect a live wire to both door handles which I could isolate remotely but was advised that if I hurt the poor little scum I'd be the one in trouble. I also have a cheap motion sensor alarm, well hidden.
At the back of my property was an 8000 volt electric fence. It fried the occasional baboon, sadly. The garage opened directly onto the street, and had the conventional up and over doors, similar to yours, Willie. It was protected with a security alarm which automatically buzzed a local security firm. On one occasion I had not set the alarm properly and was on my way to work when I was alerted. When I got back a couple of minutes later, there was a security guy standing on the roof with an AK47. Very efficient. Perhaps Brits are too tolerant of thieving?
Buy 2 x 2.4 m CLS 75x40 timber From B&Q or building merchant as like the message drill down on the bottom lip ,use the same lip at top and put timber up under it and push the timber as close to the door to create a triangle, go outside and if the door is unlocked you will not be able the lift it up, I would also do bolts in bottom plus a extra timber middle. Ps I am a sad person with 36 locks on main garage doors and another 12 on internal garage door plus the traffic door from back garden x 2 doors also have 8 point locking each sounds like hell but it takes four minutes to unlock all of them with keys
Like Missenden flyer get a Guardsman iner barrier, also a ram raid barrier across the outside of the door. In addition ground anchor both wheels to the ground and or the wall. Paranoid is the way forwards with this,make it as hard as possible for them,security in layers. Ventilation in the garage will help with condensation and cover the bike up after plastering it in AC50 or WD40
I've bought a couple of Black & Decker dehumidifiers. They're about £35 each and surprisingly effective. They're meant for small rooms and cupboards. One is positioned under the bike and the other in a more central position. Easy to empty, they also feature a float-operated switch if the water tank gets full.
There's only so much you can do. Years ago, there was a lad up here in the grim North that had a Ducati stolen from a locked brick garage. They turned up with a truck mounted hiab, removed the garage roof and lifted the bike out over the car that was in the way. Broad daylight, neighbors thought he was having a new roof fitted. A cheap solution for you would be to put a couple of latches either side of the door on the inside. That would mean you can't open the door from outside, but you can go in the back door (oh-err Missus) and open it then. I don't think anyone will want to brake in your garage and kick your back door in (so to speak). If they wanted to get in your garden they would clamber over the side gate, much easier. Condensation is all to do with humidity. Water vapour in the air hits a cold surface and condenses back into liquid. Airflow is the solution. My Asgard shed never gets a drop of condensation in it - the garage does suffer though, sometimes. Put a fan in there or something, just for the winter. EDIT: My Classic 350 gets soaking wet (oh-err) in the garage but the Dorsoduro sat next to it does not. Chrome parts get colder than platisc parts, I guess.
I have a very similar garage door but there is no other way of getting in. The garage is behind my house and has been broken into a few times. I need to change the door this year.
I hear motorcycle theft is rife in the UK. In NZ it relatively ok thank god. Being in your small village in the country, I’ll hope you’ll be ok Willie.
Security is a concern for all of us unfortunately I have a car pulled right up to the garage door ,Security lights,large chains and padlocks,two reactive dogs and I still sleep with one eye open. I find Security such a faff particularly if your a commuter but never more been needed.my bikes are dripping with the sudden temperature change but no harm done along as there's no salt on them.stay safe and secure Willie
I fitted a pair of garage deadlocks, I think I got them from screwfix they can be positioned to lock into the frame on the sides or the door or if you mount them pointing down they go i to the floor they have dedicated bespoke star keys. On the outside of the door I fashioned nylon wedges to fit between the door and frame they remove all the sideways float from the door. Just laid recycled pvc tiles to the floor from got them from Mototile cost about £300 they have helped hugely with condensation, they are a barrier for the cold rising from the floor slab.
I've had two garages broken into and all my stuff taken. I now have security lights come on and a wifi camera (Ring), although I heard today on the Radio that thieves can buy a device now that jams the Ring cameras. Regarding the condensation...I keep my bike covered and under the cover I have a greenhouse bar heater and an electric dehumidifier. The dehumidifier requires emptying every 4 days. No condensation or rust on my bikes ever.
Their are many cameras you can get to protect your garage. In idaho if your garage is attached to you house and secured it would be possible in certain circumstances to defend it with guns as long as the out side doore were locked at the time of the shooting
My garage door is similar to yours and I have fitted Brenton bolts to the top and bottom corners to prevent a corner being peeled back as this seems to be the weakest part of the door. About £5 each and some bolts will sort it. Good luck👍
This may help anyone who has small items taken from a garage like tools or even garden furniture etc. Find out the closest car boot or open market date to your home as close to the date when stolen & have a good look at the stalls or car boot tables. I have a police friend who passed this info on to me. He did add that if you do see your items, then contact the police immediately, take note of any transport no plates etc but don't approach them directly. Preferably film them on the sly.
In a former life l fitted hundreds of that type of garage door. They were pretty well the standard door on most of the sites l worked on......Security wise they are useless... l could break into them in seconds....and frequently did for owners who had lost keys Etc!...l would show owners how easy it was to get through their front door if it wasn't 'deadlocked'...or even a short, narrow piece of wood to manipulate through a letterbox to push the catches handle...Always deadlock the locking mechanism.!!... Security in depth seems to be part of the answer, at least against the opportunist thief... My house in Spain was fitted with an internal alarm that was so loud, an ear piecing frequency it 'fuddled the brain', making rational thought almost impossible .. l know, l walked into its scanned area once....just the once....If l could be so bold as giving one bit of advice, Junk that garage door and buy a better quality one. Failing that rig something to stop the door being swung up.. what ever you decide, Good Luck and Happy New Year....
Morning Willie, I haver a new home with a garage with a similar locking system and was constantly worried about my bikes!! So .. I now have a sectional electric security door BUT it has cost me over K2 . with regard to the condensation, The Electric door which seals completely has stopped the condensation which I found was terrible especially when I had used a heater in the garage..
It is tricky to really secure anything. That bar that TMF has got seems like a waste of £600 to me because I've read of thefts where they had one of those and the thieves just lifted the bike over it. I think a better option would be to replace that up and over door with some hefty doors with internal hinges and a proper 5 lever lock.
Its on my mind all the time this ive a similiar door and drilled through the sides into the frame and inserted bolts also its belled up and attached to the house but you just dont know and that condensation is a right pain regularly happening just lately .y speed twin and a10 are sopping some days good video though
I'm not sure I would be telling You Tube land how vulnerable my garage door is. Better get that fixed up ASAP. Your bike gets very cold when there is a cold snap and when the weather warms up there is more humidity. The bike stays cold for quite some time so warm damp air will condense on cold surfaces such as you motorcycle. The motorcycle does not warm up as fast as the air does. Humidity and temperature control is the only real answer. Proper insulation and heating but that all costs money. BJ
As previously stated by 6panel300…. mount heavy duty joist hangers both sides of the door and place 4” x 2” timbers across them. I doubled up by using one timber a quarter way down the door and the second quarter way up from the floor.
looks like my comment was removed (maybe because there was a link in it). i have garage doors bolts which use a key like a safe key on each side of the lower end of both of my garage doors. it would take a lot of time and serious noise to get past them...he says hopefully! also a visible deterrent. less than £40 for a pair and they take about an hour to fit
It seems that nobody is watching my channel and all of the home-made security devices I use on my workshop. I always use steel inside defences. I will do an update on my security film for you in the next few days.
Really annoying what happened to Sandy , really rattled him, understandably. Garage door. I had a very similar up and over door ( since replaced) My suggestions. As you have access into the garage from the back, disconnect the cables that attach the outer handle to the upper and lower bolts. The lock on those handles is easily broken and allows the handle to turn and release the bolt. You’ll only be able to undo the door from the inside. Next, fit door bolts to the inside corners of the door into the frame. This stops the top of the door being pushed in and the bottom being pulled out. If you like you could fit the lockable type and padlock them so can’t be unlocked in the get in from the side door. This is all quite cheap to do and whilst nothings 100% it makes it difficult and time consuming. RE TMFs bar, it’s called a Gaurdsman and sadly I think they went out of business. Hope this makes sense, if you want me to clarify anything just ask.
1. Change your door to a roll up metal one, 2. left and right hand side there will be a hole, put a steel rod or even screwdriver through there, will stop them prying up from the bottom until you replace door with a steel shutter one
Roller shutter doors aren’t very strong a tree surgeon friend had a car reverse slowly into it in broad daylight with houses opposite it came easily out of its guides being thin alloy the only thing that saved him was on my advice he had a very large strongbox bolted to the floor so they just took a couple of loose stihl hedge trimmers which had seized and were just for spares lol
The TMF solution is the Guardsman is very expensive and I dont think effective, just attach a tow rope it and a car and it will pull apart, not seen it tested
Bennets bike social have some really good videos on bike security but not sure if they have covered garage doors. Following their videos I bought 2 litelok x1 ‘s to sure my bike plus a chain. I use the liteloks when in the city centre as well. They are very difficult to remove even with a grinder. ( this was what saved Freddie Dobbs Bonneville)
Years ago, I worked at nights and came home one morning to find my house had been broken into and cleaned out. Nothing feels quite like it. And for now, you could remove the handle from the outside of the door and just open it from the inside until you get something better.
I use one of them cheap brackets that block the door from opening, BUT iv'e welded a length of metal onto it that protruded a good foot into the garage and that length is bolted down on the garage floor as well as the bracket being bolted down, the problem with the brackets is and as your m8 found out they can be levered up , the extra length stops the bracket from being removed, secondly each side of the door i have decent length bolt that if fitted to the frame then when the door is closed the bolts protrude throught the door then i use 2 locking nuts to get the door super tight, i only use the 2 bolts on weekends though when i away,,Willy your garage is a 1/10 for security !!!!!!!!!!!!! , you have to think like thieves to beat thieves. ps also have the garage linked tot eh house alarm. sorry for the long ramble
Regarding condensation, it happens when the temperature suddenly or rapidly increases from very cold, like as you have mentioned, from freezing outside to 10 or 12 C in a matter of hours. The moisture in the air then condenses on cold surfaces. The only way to deal with this, is to either, heat the garage so the temperature stays fairly constant, or, use a dehumidifier, which is what I do. They do cost a fair amount to run as they use about the same power as a fridge, and will run constantly in the winter months. The really bad thing about condensation is what you see on the outside is also happening internally, inside the engine!!😮.
Hi, I did a homemade version of the security bar. I bolted a four hole unistrut angle, secured with resin, to the brickwork each side and as close to the pillars as possible (to make it harder to cut or smash off the locks). I then cut a heavy duty length of 41x41 unistrut to the width and then secured it to the brackets with 4 padlocks (2 each side). Certainly not infallible but it's another hurdle for the Herbert's to overcome. All the best 👍
Hi Willie, Electrified door handle has always appealed to me 😱😱😱😱😱😱 as for the condensation I soak a cloth with Acf 50 and give my bike a good wipe over before its hibernation
If your just storing you bike its easy to apply this stuff mixed with water in spray bottle, just let it dry its less messy then ACF50 and safe to use on brakes, it put a very fine film over everything, Bilt Hamber Atom Mac Migratory Contact Corrosion Inhibitor
Won’t help with urgency, but I have a Horman four point locking door. It uses metal rods to each corner. I obviously lock the bikes to each other but also have a small chain that attaches to the lower half of the door and wraps around a bike wheel. You’d have to drag the bike towards the door to open it from outside. You’d have could also fit some kind of barrier? Side door - have it open out. It’s way harder to kick in a door that opens outwards. Fit a gate inside .
On the Hormann 4 point lock system make sure that you have the later disk latches. I've seen one of these later doors completely wrecked and and they didn't get in.the earlier slide latches are not so good. Sectional overhead doors are also very good. If you can avoid having an outer handle, nothing for the thieves to grab hold of.
About wet metal it is when temperature and humidity drop below dewpoint. It is only on certain cold damp days. You can counter by covering anything metal by using a cover on your bikes and tools and making sure any road salt residue is removed as this promotes dewpoint and encourages corrosion. A mains powered dehumidifier or a low power heater at times like this could help too. Seal draughts too as best you can, that draughty metal garage door can be a blessing to help dry bikes but when below dewpoint it is not a help as it ets in fresh damp cold air to settle on metal. Garage security may be improved by bolting some brackets to the frame and also having a mains and battery alarm that makes a noise when a switch is disturbed.
Hi Willie, Are you able to add more security to the inside of your garage door, ie, bolts into the upper lintle and or floor that you can operate from the inside and exit to your house through the small side door ? Side lockable metal gate sounds good too. We'll never stop the hardened criminals taking our gear, expecially the ones equipped with battery angle grinders, which by the way should be banned from sale as the retailers are just handing the thugs a licence to steal by selling those, but we can slow down the opportunist thieves by adding as much security as possible. I'm under no illusion that my ground anchors and chains are 100% secure, even at £300 each, but it will make them think twice. I still think trackers on the bikes are the best security still. But what greives me the most is how disinterested the plods are when we do have our property violated. You could also bar across your small side door too, before you close the door from the outside. Just ideas. Glyn M.
Thanks so much Glyn... Yes I'm going to fit something to the inside of the door 100% but I think long term we will replace the door completely, appreciate your help buddy 👍
Put a deadlock on the rear door, to supplement the lock it has, and on the main garage door, fit 4 slide bolt type locks, similar to those you would see on a 5 bar gate, 2 each side , one 8 inches up from the bottom, and one 8 inches down from the top, yes it means you have to go into the garage to open the front door from the inside, but it will make it a damn sight harder to open , also, buy a cheap wireless baby monitor, put it in the garage,and the receiver in the kitchen, if nothing else , you can tell the missus to put the kettle on if you are out there fettling…..lol. 👍🇮🇲👌😜
We ALL need to up our game up with regard to security Willie,
There are more desperate people out there turning to thieving,
I now have a layered approach to security. The first line of defence is to be alerted to the presence of a thief even before they have broken into your garage.
I have driveway motion sensors now, as soon as someone steps foot in my garden/ driveway I will know about it,
Next security lighting and cameras, they hate having to work in places where they can be seen.
Now the garage door, mine's made of wood, but has been reinforced and I have a heavy duty chain and padlock actually running through the door, on the bottom is a door anchor securely concreted into position.
Should they breach the door, they are then faced with an annoying and loud alarm, this is more to confuse and disconcert them more than anything. We now have noise and light and confusion working on our side.
Lastly each bike has a brake disc lock through the front wheel with heavy chains through the back and they are all locked together.
What I have done is to "Buy Time". All these things will slow the thief, possibly make them go away and look for a softer target or just delay them.
In the meantime I can monitor the situation via the camera's and decide if I need to call the police.
Police should respond swiftly (we hope) to a report of Burglary in progress. Do not go out and confront them, they could be armed with knives or anything. Sit tight and wait for assistance, possibly inform them via the security camera's that you have called the police.
The camera's I have, have the ability to be used as a tannoy also. I can also remotely turn on more lights and an external siren.
You should fit deadlocks to the four corners of your garage door Willie. And get some motion sensors, they are cheap and effective, search for "Driveway motion sensor",
Condensation on the bike will happen after a cold spell when suddenly the air warms up but the engine and other parts of the bike are still cold. Moisture in the air will then condensate onto the cold surfaces. Not much you can do about it really apart from either heating and insulating the garage of covering the bike in ACF50 or something similar or putting the bike into one of those vacuum sealed bags!!
I hope you never have any problems with thieves but always be vigilant.
Great advice, thanks Sandy.. I'll pin this 📍
Great response.
Unfortunately the police won’t turn up, I called 999 when I was being attacked at my home and they turned up two days later . They are useless
Tell 'em someone mis gendered you, made a racist remark, or otherwise hurt your feelings...😢
Totally agree. Worth detection as they come down you drive way . have a look at these system, long long range, totally configurable and robust, batteries in the sensors last years... Guardline Wireless Driveway Alarm
I have the same garage door, I drilled to holes in the bottom of the garage door one on either side and then into the concrete below about 13 mm diameter and then just drop 2 steel pins about 12 mm diameter into the holes. Garage door cannot be opened without first removing the pins. also to foldable bollards about £70 each fitted on the outside of the garage which also works as a visual deterrent. Hope that helps.
Hi Mark, that really is helpful, thank you! Foldable bollards is something I didn't think of 👍👍👍
We get Caravan Utilising Nomadic Travelling Society 'round 'ere... bloody good for nothings. Have to bolt everything down!
The simplest way to secure your door providing you can access from another door is to place a piece of 4x2 across the top resting on heavy duty brackets. Avoid anything that can be seen from outside as it's an advert that there's something worth nicking inside. It's the same with high security locks on a van. It really winds me up that these scumbags would rather take something that someone has had to work hard for rather than go and earn the money themselves.
Hi Willie, i had a similar door set up a few years back with cable locks to the side. As i had internal access, i fitted 4 security bolts with one-way screws, one bolt to each side of the door frame, and one top and bottom into the concrete, so the door was fixed in the frame. When the low lifes tried to break in, they couldn't get the door open, the door outer frame was distorted from levering but woukdnt budge, so they started to peel back the metal around the welds. In the end, i replaced the door with an industrial roller shutter with dead bolts.
Thanks buddy.. Yes the end game is going to be a new door 👍👍👍
Hi Willie,
My dear old Dad used to say "Locks only keep the honest people out".
Where I used to live, a neighbour had installed a proximity sensor that played bagpipe music very loudly when triggered. The ultimate deterrent 😊
Haha!!! 😂😂😂Love that!
Condensation - When warm moist air meets a cold surface. Tthe bike is 2 degrees and the air is 11 degrees and then the moisture in the air condenses as it contacts the cold bike. Everything that is colder than the air will suffer the same .
Same problem; try a small dehumidifier, low power one close to bike should be effective enough and cheap to run.
Bottom of your garage door there is a lip ,drill through the lip and concrete about 6 inch deep then when door is shut push a long bolt down in there on both sides .I’ve used this method for 30 years and I have not been broken into.hope this helps Willie 👍
Absolutely the easy and cheap solution, used myself
Taz that is a really good idea, I'm fact in going to do that tomorrow 👍thanks mate
@@2wheeledwillie395 Get a mate with a welder to also weld a tee or ring on top of the bolts, or better still use lengths of steel bar (I use 3/4" alloy steel bar, the rings or tee makes it easier to pull them out as they can bind), double up by drilling the top rails and use padlocks there too. Bin the door lock key and block the hole and open and shut from the inside if possible, have a look around outside before opening and when returning, don't have anything on show for longer than possible, just a casual drive / walk / passer by can lead to an unwanted visit or an innocent discussion in a pub "saw a nice bike today".
Amazing how many people leave garages open, especially visible from roads, I have lost count of seeing bikes and stuff on show and thinking "you must be mad mate"....Unfortunately not everyone is honest, but some people are truley clueless, it's a shame and should not be like this, but welcome to reality.
The bolts won't stop a reciprocating saw, all you are doing with anything is buying time and people noticing noise, In extreme cases in the past (have been riding since 1973, and had Harleys near by where clubs were who "collected" them) they will just wazz hilti bolts through and drag your door off with a truck, knew someone who had this done, but their garage was in a block away from the house.
Any lock or ground anchor made won't last 1/2 min if they are using an 18V cordless and high quality thin discs, but it all helps, no need to buy top spec stuff, hardly makes any odds (I cut through a Oxford products alloy steel square 10mm section chain in 4.5 seconds with an Aldi cordless grinder and quality disc to show how many tests on UA-cam are cobblers, this was in response to people saying how you have to spend £500 on some monster chain or anchor, trust me you don't).
See here......(count the contact time noise, not look at the phone).
ua-cam.com/users/shorts-gSTcnO0ZKM
Apart from the top padlocks on up and overs I have also done box section drop ins into side brackets in the past, but really the key is the bottom of the door, once that is up a couple of feet a couple of big grunters can fold back cheap doors like they do van doors.
Best last tip is think like a crim, you have lost your keys, how do you get in? where are the weak spots and how long and how noisy will it be?
Get on good terms with all around you if possible, more eyes and ears are good too.
All the best mate, Ed
It’s a fantastic cheap solution, but it can’t be achieved from the outside of the door surely? If there is no standard door then it’s going to be difficult. I’m still going to do this trick as I do have a personal door which is as secure as I can make it.
@@Bassman1999 yes it can only be done from the inside ,now when exit through the small door of the garage I replaced the screws on the hinges with bolts and two bloody good locks .👍
I have a Horman 4 point locking door with a garage defender (I have fitted a high security barrel that is anti pick/anti bump and will defeat all but professional lock pickers) motion sensor security lights and security bolts in my roofing system, alarms and cameras all help to slow down an attack and will stop all but the most determined. I also have a ground anchor with a massive high security chain. Regarding the condensation a section of carpet bigger than the footprint of your bike and a breathable indoor cover should help plus a decent amount of ventilation (been doing this for years and never get any condensation. Take care and keep it sunny side up 😉
Regarding condensation, I run a small dehumidifier on a timer for an hour or so in the early hours, seems to work really well.
The best solution is fo what we do in Australia. Get an automatic garage door opener, bolts to your inside roof and to your door, the only way it will open is with the remore control. The only manual way to open is from the inside which is handy for powercuts.
Yes that's probably what we'll end up doing Dan, thanks buddy 👍
I'd suggest implementing ALL the suggestions mentioned so far ...that'll frustrate the bar stewards! 😀
One thing to add... if a determined gang really want your bike, they'll plan a way around most of the security they can see outside, so adding security inside (to slow them down and buy you some time) is great as well, but if you do any filming in your garage, just make sure the sawn-off shotgun connected to the door on a hair trigger (or any other internal security) isn't visible in your videos 👍
Hi WILLIE, you could try fitting slip bolts on either side of the door on the exterior secured by padlocks,just one of many solutions.
What i did before i upgraded my garage door is disconnect the cable at the lock end literally just pull it out the lock - It will go back in no problem. That stops them from pulling the handle until it snaps.
On your garage door it's light metal so they could literally pull up at the corner and crawl under as there doesn't seem to be any bracing that i can see to it.
I'd invest in some deadbolts on the sides (easy to install) but a faff to undo if in a rush. Get good at welding for the bottom, just some ally extrusion but will bolster the door
That's a great idea about the cable buddy 👍👍👍
Many years ago I got a mains powered barking dog alarm for my in-laws garage, it looked like an old style burglar alarm sounder , was noise activated and quite realistic sounding .
The trouble was when they went abroad on holiday it was barking its head off during a windy spell and the new neighbours called the RSPCA thinking they’d abandoned the dog in there for a couple of weeks lol
I used to use a bent coat hanger to open my garage door when i misplaced the key. I have a high security roller shutter now, although it was £1500 along with my gates another £1000 and a decent CCTV system which was £300
That sounds like a great bit of security bud! 👍
A common way they get in is to bend the door inwards or outwards from the middle, so bolts on the corners won't necessarily work as they can pop out - better to have a padlocks or fixings that stop the door bending and pulling away from the corners. On the inside.
Thanks buddy 👍👍
in my previous house I had the same garage door....I put gates on the outside and drilled the up and over and inserted bols from the inside. I currently have the "bar" option.....made it myself from angle and 1 inch sold bar....... cost less than £100 lock the bike inside the garage as well.....if you can fit a ground anchor IN the garage......yes its a faff when you want to go out for a ride but better 5 mins unlocking the bike than losing it..... BTW I also have a Z900RS.....love it!
Thanks Adam! Appreciate the comments..Great choice in bikes too!! 😀👍
If there is space, fit a roller shutter on the inside. This helps with insulation and security. The readily available interlocking rubber mats are brilliant and a good investment as is dry lining with insulated plasterboard or fitting a ceiling to create a loft.
Do you tend to get moisture under the mats causing damp?
Use 2 of the garage defenders . Use additional chemfix to secure the bolts. As many padlocks with discreet hasps with decent fixings
Fit an alarm mine, very effective, they use a blank 12g cartridge and will go off if door is opened. Just ensure you remember to deactivate it before opening the door yourself 💩
I have not locked my front door in the last couple of years. I'm glad I don't have to worry about this sort of thing these days.
If it looks like it will be a nightmare to get in from the outside, people will move on to the next target. The problem with most security for garages is that it's on the inside, so people will still try. Extra locks on the outside, flashing alarm box etc
Yes good point Michael 👍👍
Get a dehumidifier for the condensation issue. I use one in my garage, any burglars will be instantly drained of all moisture…… eh no that wrong…. It will help with the condensation issue. I recommend a new garage door roller shutter, but if they really want to get in they will. Neighbours don’t want to get involved these days and to be quite honest it’s a risk. All the best. Hope everything works out. 😊
Haha!!! 🤣😂🤣😂 that really made me lol!!! Thanks buddy 👍
I use that method too along with a couple of bolts to the side jambs
I have short shank padlocks at each bottom corner with hasps for the locks. The door can't be lifted and bolt croppers can't cut the short shanks.
As regards keeping your bike dry, consider a Car/bike cacoon, these are not cheap but very cheap to run compared to using a dehumidifier trying to keep the while garage damp free. They run off a 12v supply and cost pennies to run. Far more effective than a dehumidifier as it blows a constant flow of air over the bike. You can even put your biek away wet and it will dry it, Ive used one on my car for years.. Despite the cost they do hold there value as they are difficult to find second hand
Fix 2 heavy duty brackets at the top of the walls each side then put a scaffolding pole across simple job very effective cheap and the door cannot be opened. Same principle as what they have on forts with the double gates
i had my garage broken into last March, KLX 250 taken, i had the same door as you with a garage defender, watching the video of the theft, thief's just pulled on each corner of the garage door until the door came out of the runners, the garage door is then free floating and they lifted the door over the defender and then just dragged the bike out on its side, i now have a metal roller shutter and an old automatic car up against the garage, with your door i would put a garage defender in each corner and an internal bar bolted into the brickwork, use a ground anchor and chain on the bike, have a look at PJB security.
I've got two mortace locks that puts a pin 2inches into the top frame, plus a blind padlock and hasp at the bottom, but if they have a battery disc cutter they will still get in, Air flow for condensation, put some vents low on the main door, and high up on the back wall. Ps Garage has alam, Bike is ground ankerd and Disc locked. 6 locks in total including 3 o the door. Only takes a hour to get me bike out 😂
Very upsetting I had my garage broken into twice I put new doors in and better locks lights and a strong garden gate but if the beggars want to be in I’m sure they will manage it 😢
It is upsetting and you're right Woody if they want it they will get it 🤬
On the bottom corners of the door put 2 bolts so it can only be opened from inside , and outside and inside put PIR lights ,
Interesting about the condensation I've a dehumidifier running now, best thing I purchased, like you say it's when the temperature rises after it's been really low.
Thanks bud.. Yes I may have to but one 👍
The condensation is from the concrete floor.pva glue mixed with water seals it. As for the garage door I can get in that in two seconds without making a noise. I’m a carpenter and biker triumph Speedmaster 1200 . The cheapest and best thing I’ve done is strong bolts on each corner inside with a padlocks.
Two simple sliding bolts from a garden gate, secure to each side of the door, and the sliding bolt goes across the frame. SIMPLE.
You get out through the courtousy door.
However, this is onlying a deterrent. Regards
MikeN
I have just had roller doors fitted to my workshop . You cant get in or out without the remote control . If we loose power i can use a special tool to open or close the doors. I now sleep at night . I also have two cameras covering my yard and workshop. Next i am going to get a full camera set up for the house. Great stream makes you think 👍👍👍
Thanks Bobby.. Out of interest how much did that cost?
@@2wheeledwillie395 £1500 and worth every penny You could get a cheaper roller door i bough two so thats why it cost that much . I think that your garage door would cost no more thank 1k
@@2wheeledwillie395 My doors cost me £1500 but you only need one door so i would think that 1k would have you nice and secure
Good idea to the spend the money now before someone attempts to breaks in. If they successfully break in, it is not only what is taken but also the damage to your garage, which is likely to be more than an unsuccessful attempt. Suggest you spend a little more than your initial budget ideas, so when tested your garage security works well. All the best.
I put an old breathable lining curtain over my bike and i never get condensation. The curtain is super thin. Covering with waterproof covers will make it worse, You need some sort of air vent on your wooden door, drill some holes in the top or bottom of the door and put some vent covers over the holes you drilled. Maybe an old curtain hanging over the wooden door may help absorb moisture too. Cat litter is meant to work also. Maybe hang up cat litter in some netting in obscure places. Just giving you ideas
I had my garage broken into in the 90’s , they dropped in through the roof . Fit a good ground anchor for your bikes , alarm the garage,, a motion sensor and door switches are a must , wire it into the house alarm . Put a visible bell box on the garage, and a camera . Plus extra bolts top and bottom on the garage door . And as you said a camera inside the garage that will send notifications to your phone , also a beware of the Alsatian sign can help
Thanks Glenn 👍
When I built my workshop at home I had a metal door made that swings open . On the inside there's 2 bolts that secure it shut that I can attach a disc lock to each. It can only be opened from the inside by cutting the locks off. The door that I walk in is the same type as my back door, 5 lever one so hard to get in and break down. I also have a light outside that is on all the time at night. Billy burgler doesn't like lights. The double gates at the top of my drive are high and very difficult to climb over and are padlocked.
Basically you need a door that can only be unlocked and opened from inside. Your type of door is easy to get into. All they do is cut a hole in the middle thats big enough to put their hand in and pull the cable. Basically like opening a big tin with a tin opener.
Thanks Peter 👍 great comments
My garage is the same so I put a vent into the side of my garage and it cured the condensation it’s just a pity we cannot put 240 volts into the garage door at night or when were out
got a scaffolding pole straight through garage inside and out cant get in and if they do they cannot wheel bike out. and also dont film reg number plates on door to give anybody whos savvy on internet your address and keeper details
The sudden rise in temperatures yesterday caused the condensation. It’s was below freezing in the morning and then 11c by 6pm where I live and all my bikes were wet through.
As soon as I bought the Fatboy I bought a dehumidifier ( 20 litre), & have had no problems with corrosion or rust on the bike , as you've seen in the photos I have sent to you last yr, it still looks brand new. I drilled a hole through the shed so I could attach a drainage hose to it to save emptying the tank every 2 days, we'll worth the investment , 160 quid if I remember right. Insulation your garage would be a good project to do when the weather is better, all the best Will 👍
Thanks mate.. I've pondered getting vat dehumidifier, hope you're well 👍
@@2wheeledwillie395 I'm ok Will, 👍
I must get an Oxford Boss alarmed disc lock.
My current Leat disc lock went silent after less than a year in a dry garage.
I think security lights and alarms are the best way.
My door is identical to yours.
hi mate never a good thing to happen to anyone,i have two steel plates (both sides) welded to form an -L shape with steel peg that goes through the bottom of the door with the biggest pad locks i could fit,another thing you mention is tools look around to see if you have anything you could use to cut the locks on your bike yourself ie bolt croppers disc cutters and take them in to your house
Get some shutters fitted. Speak to some local shop fitters, they may have some old shutter from a fit out.
Fit a ground bolt lock. It's a substantial cast block that bolts to the garage door at the bottom, this holds a large diameter vertical sliding bolt, this slides down into a brass receiver that is concreted into the garage floor. Then the whole thing is locked with a high security padlock, which slides through the cast block and across a recess in the bolt so it can't be lifted. They are a bit of a job to fit but very secure.
A mate of mine had just that setup, the scrotes used a toe jack to bend up the bottom edge of the door complete with bolt mechanism, thus bypassing his security. He lost a quad bike and a compressor.
I too live in the country and our property is on a small piece of gated private land. I have doors like that on my double concrete garage. Absolutely useless, I can force them open with ease but my location hopefully gives me more security than some in this country. I also park In front of the garage doors at night, or when we are away. I did connect a live wire to both door handles which I could isolate remotely but was advised that if I hurt the poor little scum I'd be the one in trouble. I also have a cheap motion sensor alarm, well hidden.
At the back of my property was an 8000 volt electric fence. It fried the occasional baboon, sadly. The garage opened directly onto the street, and had the conventional up and over doors, similar to yours, Willie. It was protected with a security alarm which automatically buzzed a local security firm.
On one occasion I had not set the alarm properly and was on my way to work when I was alerted. When I got back a couple of minutes later, there was a security guy standing on the roof with an AK47. Very efficient.
Perhaps Brits are too tolerant of thieving?
Do you live in South Africa? It sounds like it !
Haha! Sounds like the perfect answer!!!
Buy 2 x 2.4 m CLS 75x40 timber From B&Q or building merchant as like the message drill down on the bottom lip ,use the same lip at top and put timber up under it and push the timber as close to the door to create a triangle, go outside and if the door is unlocked you will not be able the lift it up,
I would also do bolts in bottom plus a extra timber middle.
Ps I am a sad person with 36 locks on main garage doors and another 12 on internal garage door plus the traffic door from back garden x 2 doors also have 8 point locking each sounds like hell but it takes four minutes to unlock all of them with keys
Asos shoot bolts from amazon.i use them for shed locks aswell as garages.
A steel roller shutter door is a good investment. I had one fitted after my aluminium up and over door was ripped off like paper.
My boss got his garage broken in a couple of times, they couldn’t get the bikes so they set them on fire.
Like Missenden flyer get a Guardsman iner barrier, also a ram raid barrier across the outside of the door.
In addition ground anchor both wheels to the ground and or the wall.
Paranoid is the way forwards with this,make it as hard as possible for them,security in layers.
Ventilation in the garage will help with condensation and cover the bike up after plastering it in AC50 or WD40
Thank you!👍
I've bought a couple of Black & Decker dehumidifiers. They're about £35 each and surprisingly effective. They're meant for small rooms and cupboards. One is positioned under the bike and the other in a more central position. Easy to empty, they also feature a float-operated switch if the water tank gets full.
2 heavy duty hasp and staple on the bottom corners... Fastened to the floor
Thanks buddy 👍
It’s so much easier to secure a garage door from the inside. I’m very lucky that I can do this.
What about a dehumidifier for your garage?
Yes that's on my list 👍
There's only so much you can do. Years ago, there was a lad up here in the grim North that had a Ducati stolen from a locked brick garage. They turned up with a truck mounted hiab, removed the garage roof and lifted the bike out over the car that was in the way. Broad daylight, neighbors thought he was having a new roof fitted. A cheap solution for you would be to put a couple of latches either side of the door on the inside. That would mean you can't open the door from outside, but you can go in the back door (oh-err Missus) and open it then. I don't think anyone will want to brake in your garage and kick your back door in (so to speak). If they wanted to get in your garden they would clamber over the side gate, much easier. Condensation is all to do with humidity. Water vapour in the air hits a cold surface and condenses back into liquid. Airflow is the solution. My Asgard shed never gets a drop of condensation in it - the garage does suffer though, sometimes. Put a fan in there or something, just for the winter. EDIT: My Classic 350 gets soaking wet (oh-err) in the garage but the Dorsoduro sat next to it does not. Chrome parts get colder than platisc parts, I guess.
I have a very similar garage door but there is no other way of getting in. The garage is behind my house and has been broken into a few times. I need to change the door this year.
Amazing comments MrB!! Horrendous story about that Ducati owner!! 😱😱😱😱 SHOCKING... Stories, humour and tips thanks buddy!! 👍👍👍
Easy way to secure up and over doors is two bolts at the bottom and two bolts at the top, probably less than a fiver each from Screwfix or Toolstation
Ditto with exactly the same door, used great big ones. Now have electric roller door and alarmed
Thank you 👍 I'm actually going to do exactly that tomorrow!
I hear motorcycle theft is rife in the UK.
In NZ it relatively ok thank god.
Being in your small village in the country, I’ll hope you’ll be ok Willie.
Yes it really is JM.. Thanks buddy 👍
Build a 2nd set of door inside the garage making them as secure as you can, its a layered approach and will deter or at least slow them down.
Security is a concern for all of us unfortunately I have a car pulled right up to the garage door ,Security lights,large chains and padlocks,two reactive dogs and I still sleep with one eye open. I find Security such a faff particularly if your a commuter but never more been needed.my bikes are dripping with the sudden temperature change but no harm done along as there's no salt on them.stay safe and secure Willie
I fitted a pair of garage deadlocks, I think I got them from screwfix they can be positioned to lock into the frame on the sides or the door or if you mount them pointing down they go i to the floor they have dedicated bespoke star keys. On the outside of the door I fashioned nylon wedges to fit between the door and frame they remove all the sideways float from the door.
Just laid recycled pvc tiles to the floor from got them from Mototile cost about £300 they have helped hugely with condensation, they are a barrier for the cold rising from the floor slab.
Brilliant thanks Andy 👍
I had a motocross bike stolen from a lockup garage we rented a few years back. The more lines of defence you have, the better.
Yes you're spot on... Loved the India tour BTW 👌🇮🇳
I've had two garages broken into and all my stuff taken. I now have security lights come on and a wifi camera (Ring), although I heard today on the Radio that thieves can buy a device now that jams the Ring cameras. Regarding the condensation...I keep my bike covered and under the cover I have a greenhouse bar heater and an electric dehumidifier. The dehumidifier requires emptying every 4 days. No condensation or rust on my bikes ever.
Thanks Frank, I'm looking at green house heaters!
I got rid of my roller shutter door and had a electric shutter roller door installed. At night I turn power off to door inside house.
That's really what I want 👍
The missenden flyer has a good security system on his door.
He does! But he's got alot to nick!
Their are many cameras you can get to protect your garage. In idaho if your garage is attached to you house and secured it would be possible in certain circumstances to defend it with guns as long as the out side doore were locked at the time of the shooting
My garage door is similar to yours and I have fitted Brenton bolts to the top and bottom corners to prevent a corner being peeled back as this seems to be the weakest part of the door. About £5 each and some bolts will sort it. Good luck👍
Thanks buddy, much appreciated 👍
This may help anyone who has small items taken from a garage like tools or even garden furniture etc.
Find out the closest car boot or open market date to your home as close to the date when stolen & have a good look at the stalls or car boot tables. I have a police friend who passed this info on to me. He did add that if you do see your items, then contact the police immediately, take note of any transport no plates etc but don't approach them directly. Preferably film them on the sly.
In a former life l fitted hundreds of that type of garage door. They were pretty well the standard door on most of the sites l worked on......Security wise they are useless... l could break into them in seconds....and frequently did for owners who had lost keys Etc!...l would show owners how easy it was to get through their front door if it wasn't 'deadlocked'...or even a short, narrow piece of wood to manipulate through a letterbox to push the catches handle...Always deadlock the locking mechanism.!!... Security in depth seems to be part of the answer, at least against the opportunist thief...
My house in Spain was fitted with an internal alarm that was so loud, an ear piecing frequency it 'fuddled the brain', making rational thought almost impossible .. l know, l walked into its scanned area once....just the once....If l could be so bold as giving one bit of advice, Junk that garage door and buy a better quality one. Failing that rig something to stop the door being swung up.. what ever you decide, Good Luck and Happy New Year....
Great comments 👍 thanks buddy, I am leaning towards a new door tbh
Morning Willie, I haver a new home with a garage with a similar locking system and was constantly worried about my bikes!! So .. I now have a sectional electric security door BUT it has cost me over K2 . with regard to the condensation, The Electric door which seals completely has stopped the condensation which I found was terrible especially when I had used a heater in the garage..
Yes that would be the ideal solution tbh.. Thanks buddy
Please get yr door sorted dude I would hate for your pride and joy to get lifted 🙏🏻
I will mate.. Hope you're feeling okay this morning mate, I'm gutted and fuming for you 😔🤬🤬🤬
It is tricky to really secure anything. That bar that TMF has got seems like a waste of £600 to me because I've read of thefts where they had one of those and the thieves just lifted the bike over it. I think a better option would be to replace that up and over door with some hefty doors with internal hinges and a proper 5 lever lock.
Thanks GG 👍Yes a new door is on the cards for sure
Its on my mind all the time this ive a similiar door and drilled through the sides into the frame and inserted bolts also its belled up and attached to the house but you just dont know and that condensation is a right pain regularly happening just lately .y speed twin and a10 are sopping some days good video though
Thanks Mick, I think I'm going to do the same to my door too 👍👍👍
I'm not sure I would be telling You Tube land how vulnerable my garage door is. Better get that fixed up ASAP. Your bike gets very cold when there is a cold snap and when the weather warms up there is more humidity. The bike stays cold for quite some time so warm damp air will condense on cold surfaces such as you motorcycle. The motorcycle does not warm up as fast as the air does. Humidity and temperature control is the only real answer. Proper insulation and heating but that all costs money.
BJ
As previously stated by 6panel300….
mount heavy duty joist hangers both sides of the door and place 4” x 2” timbers across them. I doubled up by using one timber a quarter way down the door and the second quarter way up from the floor.
Thanks buddy 👍
looks like my comment was removed (maybe because there was a link in it). i have garage doors bolts which use a key like a safe key on each side of the lower end of both of my garage doors. it would take a lot of time and serious noise to get past them...he says hopefully! also a visible deterrent. less than £40 for a pair and they take about an hour to fit
It seems that nobody is watching my channel and all of the home-made security devices I use on my workshop. I always use steel inside defences. I will do an update on my security film for you in the next few days.
Reggy I've just subscribed bud 👍
Really annoying what happened to Sandy , really rattled him, understandably.
Garage door. I had a very similar up and over door ( since replaced)
My suggestions.
As you have access into the garage from the back, disconnect the cables that attach the outer handle to the upper and lower bolts. The lock on those handles is easily broken and allows the handle to turn and release the bolt. You’ll only be able to undo the door from the inside.
Next, fit door bolts to the inside corners of the door into the frame. This stops the top of the door being pushed in and the bottom being pulled out. If you like you could fit the lockable type and padlock them so can’t be unlocked in the get in from the side door.
This is all quite cheap to do and whilst nothings 100% it makes it difficult and time consuming.
RE TMFs bar, it’s called a Gaurdsman and sadly I think they went out of business.
Hope this makes sense, if you want me to clarify anything just ask.
1. Change your door to a roll up metal one, 2. left and right hand side there will be a hole, put a steel rod or even screwdriver through there, will stop them prying up from the bottom until you replace door with a steel shutter one
Thanks Steve, I'm going to look for the hole now! 👍
Roller shutter doors aren’t very strong a tree surgeon friend had a car reverse slowly into it in broad daylight with houses opposite it came easily out of its guides being thin alloy the only thing that saved him was on my advice he had a very large strongbox bolted to the floor so they just took a couple of loose stihl hedge trimmers which had seized and were just for spares lol
The TMF solution is the Guardsman is very expensive and I dont think effective, just attach a tow rope it and a car and it will pull apart, not seen it tested
Bennets bike social have some really good videos on bike security but not sure if they have covered garage doors. Following their videos I bought 2 litelok x1 ‘s to sure my bike plus a chain. I use the liteloks when in the city centre as well. They are very difficult to remove even with a grinder. ( this was what saved Freddie Dobbs Bonneville)
Thanks buddy, yes I do have a lite lock which is great 👍
Internal gate by the main garage door, maybe thatvwould deter then
Years ago, I worked at nights and came home one morning to find my house had been broken into and cleaned out. Nothing feels quite like it.
And for now, you could remove the handle from the outside of the door and just open it from the inside until you get something better.
Yes that is awful buddy 🙁 and like yr idea about removing the handle! 👍👍👍
I use one of them cheap brackets that block the door from opening, BUT iv'e welded a length of metal onto it that protruded a good foot into the garage and that length is bolted down on the garage floor as well as the bracket being bolted down, the problem with the brackets is and as your m8 found out they can be levered up , the extra length stops the bracket from being removed, secondly each side of the door i have decent length bolt that if fitted to the frame then when the door is closed the bolts protrude throught the door then i use 2 locking nuts to get the door super tight, i only use the 2 bolts on weekends though when i away,,Willy your garage is a 1/10 for security !!!!!!!!!!!!! , you have to think like thieves to beat thieves. ps also have the garage linked tot eh house alarm. sorry for the long ramble
Great Comments! Thank you!
Regarding condensation, it happens when the temperature suddenly or rapidly increases from very cold, like as you have mentioned, from freezing outside to 10 or 12 C in a matter of hours. The moisture in the air then condenses on cold surfaces. The only way to deal with this, is to either, heat the garage so the temperature stays fairly constant, or, use a dehumidifier, which is what I do. They do cost a fair amount to run as they use about the same power as a fridge, and will run constantly in the winter months. The really bad thing about condensation is what you see on the outside is also happening internally, inside the engine!!😮.
Thanks for that buddy, I was thinking exactly the same thing last night about what it must be doing internally!
Hi, I did a homemade version of the security bar. I bolted a four hole unistrut angle, secured with resin, to the brickwork each side and as close to the pillars as possible (to make it harder to cut or smash off the locks). I then cut a heavy duty length of 41x41 unistrut to the width and then secured it to the brackets with 4 padlocks (2 each side). Certainly not infallible but it's another hurdle for the Herbert's to overcome.
All the best 👍
Thanks Steve.. I don't think I have your talent tbh!
Hi Willie, Electrified door handle has always appealed to me 😱😱😱😱😱😱 as for the condensation I soak a cloth with Acf 50 and give my bike a good wipe over before its hibernation
If your just storing you bike its easy to apply this stuff mixed with water in spray bottle, just let it dry its less messy then ACF50 and safe to use on brakes, it put a very fine film over everything, Bilt Hamber Atom Mac Migratory Contact Corrosion Inhibitor
I wonder if electric garage doors offer anymore security?
That's actually something I was contemplating buddy 👍
Won’t help with urgency, but I have a Horman four point locking door. It uses metal rods to each corner. I obviously lock the bikes to each other but also have a small chain that attaches to the lower half of the door and wraps around a bike wheel. You’d have to drag the bike towards the door to open it from outside.
You’d have could also fit some kind of barrier?
Side door - have it open out. It’s way harder to kick in a door that opens outwards. Fit a gate inside .
You must live is a crap part of town to have to do that.
On the Hormann 4 point lock system make sure that you have the later disk latches. I've seen one of these later doors completely wrecked and and they didn't get in.the earlier slide latches are not so good. Sectional overhead doors are also very good. If you can avoid having an outer handle, nothing for the thieves to grab hold of.
Thanks buddy 👍
Condensation - Same problem; try a small dehumidifier, low power one close to bike should be effective enough and cheap to run.
Thanks buddy 👍 yes that's definitely on my list
About wet metal it is when temperature and humidity drop below dewpoint. It is only on certain cold damp days. You can counter by covering anything metal by using a cover on your bikes and tools and making sure any road salt residue is removed as this promotes dewpoint and encourages corrosion. A mains powered dehumidifier or a low power heater at times like this could help too. Seal draughts too as best you can, that draughty metal garage door can be a blessing to help dry bikes but when below dewpoint it is not a help as it ets in fresh damp cold air to settle on metal. Garage security may be improved by bolting some brackets to the frame and also having a mains and battery alarm that makes a noise when a switch is disturbed.
Thanks buddy 👍
Hi Willie,
Are you able to add more security to the inside of your garage door, ie, bolts into the upper lintle and or floor that you can operate from the inside and exit to your house through the small side door ? Side lockable metal gate sounds good too.
We'll never stop the hardened criminals taking our gear, expecially the ones equipped with battery angle grinders, which by the way should be banned from sale as the retailers are just handing the thugs a licence to steal by selling those, but we can slow down the opportunist thieves by adding as much security as possible. I'm under no illusion that my ground anchors and chains are 100% secure, even at £300 each, but it will make them think twice. I still think trackers on the bikes are the best security still. But what greives me the most is how disinterested the plods are when we do have our property violated.
You could also bar across your small side door too, before you close the door from the outside.
Just ideas.
Glyn M.
Thanks so much Glyn... Yes I'm going to fit something to the inside of the door 100% but I think long term we will replace the door completely, appreciate your help buddy 👍
Put a deadlock on the rear door, to supplement the lock it has, and on the main garage door, fit 4 slide bolt type locks, similar to those you would see on a 5 bar gate, 2 each side , one 8 inches up from the bottom, and one 8 inches down from the top, yes it means you have to go into the garage to open the front door from the inside, but it will make it a damn sight harder to open , also, buy a cheap wireless baby monitor, put it in the garage,and the receiver in the kitchen, if nothing else , you can tell the missus to put the kettle on if you are out there fettling…..lol. 👍🇮🇲👌😜
Thanks Andy 👍 you're not the first person to suggest a baby monitor! 👌
My bike suffers condensation too.......Thieves....whatever you do you can't harm them !...Tracker on the bike ?
I fitted spring loaded drop bolts to my garage door. But it’s only openable from the inside.
Thanks buddy 👍
I think you just showed your postcode??
Thanks mate, it's not actually mine but well noticed 👍
I heat my garage and therefore never have an issue with condensation.