How Do You Paint Under The Keel Blocks?
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- In this episode we're talking about fleeting, or how we paint where the keel blocks are.
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My dad served on the New Jersey during the Korean War. I wish he could have lived long enough to watch this wonderful channel.
The fresh, new paint really shows off the ship's beautiful hull lines.
I know it isn't anti-fouling paint, but I'm glad they're able to simulate it and still used red paint. Feels more genuine...Even if we won't be seeing it on display.
Would it need real anti-fouling paint applied again in the event that it were reactivated?
@@cebruthius If reactivated, then yes. Ryan says that, since the ship will be stationary, the antifouling isn't necessary, and it's very expensive.
The black stripe is anti-fouling just because there was marine growth in that area.
Our BB New Jersey is turning out beautifully with the new paint job! Ryan, the crew is doing a fantastic job with our baby! 😂
I saw the keel blocks that Texas used, they could individually deflate a bladder to move the block for painting.
How much do they cost?
You don't paint under the blocks, you paint above them!
Haha good point.
very very true. under the blocks wont do the ship much good.
We paint under the blocks in Australia.
Captain Obvious, you have been promoted to Admiral Obvious... I salute you!
You don't dust the furniture, you un-dust the furniture! From the children's book Amelia Bedelia !:-)
I noticed on the tour this past Sunday many of the hull plates are curved. Some even with compound curves. A video on how the hull plates were rolled so the they matched the design patterns would be interesting.
The entire shipbuilding process is interesting, I don’t know how you could design something so complex
We were there last Saturday. They are making good progress and the ship looks amazing. If you can swing it, go see it!
I would absolutely love to see the ship but I am unable to do so financially😢 these videos have been wonderful though absolutely fascinating! I can't imagine how big that ship looks when it's on the blocks like that and you're standing right next to it it must have been awesome!
@@Tracy-zr9mg the videos are doing a great job of showing the work. You are right. The scale of the ship is pretty wild. I noticed it most at the bow. It’s a long way up to the numbers. Looking aft you can see the width of the ship from rapidly. It’s impressive.
@@mrennick I Can Only Imagine what an experience!🙂🙂
Ryan!! Ryan!! Ryan!! The world's best ship curator, Bro we can really tell you care about your work And we can also tell You're extremely knowledgeable Great work bro. I always look forward to one of your new videos.
So glad to see red as your final coating as it such a traditional bottom color. If you get the black boot topping to the right height I will be a happy man. Only Missouri is painted incorrectly with the boot topping being too low. Hello to Libby ! Thanks for the video .
By the looks of it at 02:55 the boot topping is back were it was at Camden, ending around the 30-31 ft mark
Thanks Ryan. Very interesting . I would have never guessed you moved the ship.
This drydock series has inspired me to to display my 4 foot Missouri model in a drydock diorama
That sounds really cool!
I've seen models displayed like that, I'm thinking of doing that with my 4 foot cruiser Indianapolis. She'll look fantastic. 👍👍👍👍
@@robertf3479 it seems a lot more interesting than a standard stand. I have to say this gave me the idea to do the same thing the original comment that is
Dood, you are becoming a rock star
Sherwin Williams, for the win! 🎨 🖌
They could make another logo like their "cover the Earth", only this one would be "dunk the ship" with an image of the whole ship being dunked in a giant bucket of paint.
Sherwin : did you hear about Steve ?
He drank a gallon of Vanish yesterday !
Williams:
Oh my God ! Is he alive?
Sherwin:
No but he had a Fine Finish ….
This has been a very cool and fascinating series, thanks to all who’ve made it happen
That red is beautiful.
These 4 and 7 minute videos are such a tease!😂❤
Float, boop, unfloat, paint.
*Battleship New Jersey receives operating support…*
Took the 12:30 tour on 4/27. As I hoped, it was an unforgettable experience. Even got Ryan's autograph on my hardhat!
Very interesting explanation. It is so worthwhile continuing to preserve these great battleships .
After it's all done it would be great to have a financial overview of this huge dry docking... And also how the tours helped to offset that
Add 3-4 feet of water, pour paint into water, paint floats as drydock is flooded, paint rises and coats keel. ☆
Well that answered the question quite clearly. I think I had previously posted that on smaller boats they just moved the blocks but I didn't know if they had a way to do that here without refloating it.
I really enjoy these vids.
Oh that red looks so good.
@ryanszimanski , great work man, she is looking gorgeous! i wish i could visit and see new jersey in person but i cant. keep up the awesome work!
She's looking good!
This is a different exploration to that given by another video(maybe for more modern ships?). They told of ships having 2 or 3 blocking plans and each time they dry-dock, they use a different plan so a different part of the hull is exposed and over time the whole ship is repainted.
it's lookin good!
looking good!
I was on a submarine and asked that same question during a dry dock period. The answer was that the ardy had two different block patterns for the boat with no overlap between the patterns, and alternated using the two. So the portions of hull covered by the blocks this time in dock would be stripped and painted at the next dry dock period when the yard used the other block pattern.
In an earlier video ryan mentions this was the original plan for the Iowas, as the navy would repaint far more frequently it was fine ,though for the decades between drydocking on a museum ship obviously this wasnt ideal.
Great video here is a good question when it's all say and done are you planning on having all the workers signing something or a group photo so everyone can remember all the hard work went into this project because when 2060 come's around so they can tell the story.
As usual, Ryan answered a question I was going to ask. 4 foot frame spacing.
She is looking good!
Operation Shiftaroo commencing. I've always wondered if when shifting these blocks, you have to re-key the paint on the edges or if it's enough to (in welding terms) "butt" the edges with over spray.
Same question here. What will the transition look like at the edges of the blocked areas? Presumably they need to blast those areas, and that will remove both old and new coatings...
Got to see it from a plane, looking awesome!
I would give anything to be able to see the ship on a dry dock tour! Unfortunately, I'm unable to do so financially. I know for certain that it will be one of the biggest regrets of my life that I didn't somehow get there to see it. I have thoroughly enjoyed these videos though and I am glad there's so many people have gotten the opportunity to see it like that. It can't be very easy to do these tours logistically. I can really appreciate the effort that has gone into doing these tours. I just wish I could be part of it😢
Being an autobody painter for 35 years, I hope when it’s done. The Captain doesn’t say that’s not the color I wanted do it again!
Ugh one time we repainted a red bumper, in the garage it was a perfect match to the car, soon as I pulled it outside it looked 10 shades off. Always hated dealing with red cause of that
@@thecrowcook Yes that is why pretty much every paint mixer will take that test strip outside to see how it looks in sunlight. Even worse with LED lighting that often is very poor colour wise.
@@SeanBZA I didn’t bother saying that because auto painting is so much more involved than people think it is I had a battery charged sunlight which mimic the exact light the sun gives off. I looked at everything I was painting when I was mixing and matching and spraying for coverage and color even then it’s hard to make a match balls on. that’s why you need to blend the adjacent panels for a perfect job. But the bumpers are the only thing auto insurance does not cover the blend believe me it’s a whole conundrum.
@@KWC33 Worst colour to match I found is white, very hard to get the blend of a drop or three of black, a drop of red, and a drop of blue or yellow too much and you start again.
@@SeanBZA solid colors are extremely easy today. You just scan it with the color eye for whatever paint company you’re using although some companies have better ones and others. most solid colors you can panel paint using that method. They’re so good but when you come to metallic colors, try stages and even five stage that’s when It becomes a project. You must blend the panels adjacent, even if the insurance company doesn’t pay it saves time and money in a long run. What people don’t realize is a large majority of the cars on the road in the past five years have been pastel colors and solid colors. The insurance company has influenced them to go that way for these reasons I stated.
I'm not from New Jersey...not even from the US of A, but being an avid follower of this channel, and pretty much all the IOWA's and most things military (predominantly US but generally anything military), that port side is looking absolutely amazing, can't wait to see the overall end result.
I've been aboard both New Jersey and Missouri on visits to Sydney many many years ago, and their phenomenal size was inspiring then....now many many years older and maybe a bit wiser....their size is still inspiring, and this along with the New Jersey and the IOWA channel, just further prove that about 30-35 years after I saw them, and 80 odd years since their construction, these beasts of ships are still able to inspire as they do....I liken them to the B-52's of the ocean (just the BUFF's are still in service) but still, they are the legacy of a bygone era, one that we are still able to appreciate today, and thanks to the work of not ony the respective museum's, but all those that work and volunteer to maintain these beautiful ships....thank you!!!
Cheers from Sydney Aus!!!!
FYI, My Dad was on the New Jersey in 1953, I was a defensive fire control tech on the B-52g 1980-81, system taken from the Iowa class!
Really wish you could have opened some of the sea chests to allow water in for the auxillary diesels...
These drydock videos are helping me in writing my story on reactivation.....
I've been on the floating drydock at Avondale ship yards more times than I can count. Sadly, it was a few years after they had the Iowa there.
While this question has been asked and answered a bunch of times, I think “the devil is in the details”. Let’s see if Ryan discusses how involved the whole process is in moving the ship, prepping the unpainted locations, and getting the transitions correct between the already-painted and not-yet-painted locations.
They are going to have so much footage, as a so much stuff to talk about when they aren't paying out the wahoo per day
Also, I know they showed the original alignment process in an earlier video, but it still blows my mind that they can drop it back down with what seems like an inch or two at most of leeway.
That’s very cool and great opportunity to see the impressive work and ship up close.
How many chances do you get to see something like this.
Thanks
Our Minesweeper fell off the keel blocks when we did this operation back in the early 70's.
But if the keel blocks are 4 ft, and you bump the ship 4 ft, you're right at the edge with every paint line. And that assumes you can bump the ship precisely 4 ft. So there must be some sort of tolerance.... perhaps the keel blocks are actually 3'6".
You’re overthinking it, I’ve seen it hundreds of times and it works out just fine. 👍
Maybe they lower two blocks next to each other,
and still the blocks 1 and 4 are tough enough
to carry the weight.
Thus blocks are trice overdimensioned in numbers,
just for security's sake.
After rising blocks 2 and 3 again,
blocks 1 and 4 and 5 are lowered,
thus the ship sitting on blocks 2, 3 and 6.
@@garygolfer3243 Usually I underthink things, and pay in the end. Never fails.
@@ReimerGodt It's a good thought. And it would work.
@@ReimerGodt The procedure you describe is possible when the keel blocks each have individual internal jacks and can be adjusted for height and load. They can individually be removed to paint their portion of the footprint, and replaced once the paint has cured.
The NJ has nonadjustable keel blocks, so instead, they refloat the ship and bump it longitudinally such that the ship now bears on a freshly painted area. The adjacent weathered area can be blasted and repainted.
But if the blocks are exactly 4' and the bump is exactly 4', there is a tiny crevice where the paint has a butt joint between the first and second painting steps.
If they make the second set of blocks slightly narrower, but still centered on the 4' frame spacing, there is a margin at each end of the painted section to obtain a lap joint of paint coating.
Oh... she's looking good!
Don't you need to flood the ballast tanks in the bow again so it floats level like how you brought the ship in to have it settle evenly on the blocks?
Now there's a good question about this process!
Yes he covered this a few times. Hope they fix those tanks and valves while they are at it. I could see a screw block system as an alternate as well, like with a house removing a support or two at a time and moving them back. The refloat is quicker and less likely to over or under lift one though. With smaller ships with a big crane above straps can be used while one set of blocks are out.
That is a really good question
Love the IOWA CLASS .
Avondale shipyard near New Orleans closed about 10ish years ago. I think they are storing containers there today.
First model I ever built. Monogram 1/700. Her and Tirpitz.
I wish I could come see it, but I live on the west coast. Maybe I’ll get lucky and they’ll put Iowa in drydock in my lifetime and sell tours like your organization is doing.
And you keep answering Ryan. Feeding the question trolls.
🎼🎶 _"Under the keelblocks, we'll be paintin' the hull ... Under the keelblocks, people paintin somemore ..."_ 🎨🖌
ABOVE the keelblocks...........
an excellent job Ryan, don't let the not so smart upset you...😁
How do they make sure that they do the bump with enough precision that they don’t end up with a strip of the unpainted hull an inch or two under the blocks in the new position?
What about reballasting, is that necessary before refloating the ship, either to fleet or to depart the drydock?
That's so easy to do: lift the ship with one hand a little and brush the paint with the other hand quickly on the metal. 😊
She's going to look good once the painting is done 👍
Will you need to completely fill the drydock or will you be floating enough to move with only a partial refilling?
That’s funny I watched most of them, but I don’t remember you bringing that up I guess I just missed that part😂
Are going to paint the props for galvanic protection.
A video on the cranes would be neat
Have you made any planning for the future dry docking? Do you know if Philly Yard will still be available? Or is this just way to soon to look into? Just curious.
I want to know what the pressure washers are that's being used to clean the hull ready for paint. I need one!!!
When they bump the ship, in addition to the float markers will they again use divers to verify it is in the correct new position?
Is this red paint a very smooth and slick type of painting after drying to prevent organisms top easily attach and grow on it? I remember the Amaron Icebreaker underwatercoating was, pretty effective without poison (after drying of course)
If they're going to refloat it in 1 bump the space between all blocks will need to be > 4' in order to leave a margin that will insure complete coverage. I'm sure the drydock crew has more knowledge than I ever will about how the can go about it. I'd like to see how they are able to unload and scoot out 1 block at a time in operations where they don't refloat the ship.
Exactly. See my comment above.
What coating system is being used? Also, what's the average dry film thickness of the system as placed?
Are the two layers of primer under the finish color the same for the whole ship out are they different under the grey and black
When you float the ship and move it to the new painting position, how accurately can you do the placement?
Would y'all be sure to video document the refloating/moving/unfloating of the ship for the block moves? This is history for future generations. YOU CAN NEVER VIDEO DOCUMENT ENOUGH. HI-Resolution photos and video. You can never have too much.
Who's Yall? 🥱
What is the “system of coatings”? I’d be curious what specific coatings you use to preserve and then paint the ship.
Any chance for setting up a time lapse of the work on the other side?
How did the New Jersey get the dent on the lower bow of the ship
you blast the paint off with water .and the steel rusts . so do you remove the rust before painting? i hope so
Is there any interest in painting the propellers a brass colored paint? Or is it just not worth it for something under water?
Would you say NJ, has the best condition hull of an Iowa?
When they are painting, how bad are the fumes. Do they have some kind of ventilation going? It doesn't look like the painters are using air masks. I was wondering about flammability and the possibility of an explosion if those fumes are really thick.
It’s an open-air dry dock. Literally, they are outside. So no issues with ventilation or the buildup of fumes as you would with indoor painting.
You flood the dry dock move the black dragon then redock in different places
when you bump the ship, do you have to re-ballast the ship like when she originally came into drydock?
No - She was settled onto the block after the bulk (if not all) of the ballast had been drained.
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I get the idea of shifting the ship on the blocks, but many paints take weeks to cure completely. Multiple coats make this time even longer, which would obviously not work in the case of USS NJ. How long do the individual layers take to cure, and how long does it take for the entire system?
Zinc chromate, formula 117, red lead, boot topping.
I've not gone back thru thousands of comments,
But when was the last time the anchors were fully let out? Or let out in general. Do they still operate and is there any benefit to letting them out and pulling them back in?
No benefit, probably 1999
When will they replace the propeller shaft seals?
They’ve upgraded them to propeller shaft walruses. 🦭👍🏼
I don't recall if you answered this question before....How many gallons of paint are being used and how much weight does it add to the ship?
How do they know they are exactly in the right position so that the blocks don't re-block the unpainted areas when they drain the dry dock?
I know they move it 4 feet, but surely they must be more precise than that.
Seems like a little error while moving the ship could potentially keep them from painting the unpainted areas.
When they set it on those blocks in the first place they had to use marker floats and plumb bobs to get it in an exact position on the blocks. They will use the same tools and techniques to move it exactly to a new position on the blocks.
Does her hull have a lot of bumps and dents? Or, is that just rust or discoloration?
heck yeah you guys were able to paint it red too!!
When an Iowa class BS goes thru the Panama Canal, the have to remove the scuppers, what are they and can we see them while in dry dock?
Easy
... LOTS of Harbor Freight floor jacks....
How can the new paint cure and not be damaged by laying on the keel blocks so soon?
After moving the ship 4 feet and setting her back down, I have to believe that there are bits that go unpainted; is it possible to move it with such accuracy that that your 4 feet is dead on with no overlap or obscured areas? Seems critical to get every inch painted as corrosion can start in the smallest of spots.
See my comment above. Perhaps the blocks are narrowed for the second blocking.
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would not logical to start at the block got the paint dryed before refloating?
just paint the hull from the inside..job done :-)
is the paint fully cured before you bump the ship?
'Nooo, why?!'
I like to paint 90 percent is prep work but if I have move a ship to paint I quit LOL nice job though 😊
I'm stupified as to how fast the commercial Dampfschiffe in late 19th/early 20th century were built: Laid down in 1900. Launched in 1901. Maiden voyage in 1901!🤯
What’s the chances those patches will rust?
I’d give almost anything to see the navy build new bb’s. I’ve read and heard rumors they’ve spent money on researching weather there’s a place for them in future combat………..