i also think a lot of the responsibility of "guiding the conversation" falls on platforms such as DEHH with intellectual and well informed hip hop fans. I dont think these conversations happen enough, and this conversation wouldnt happen at all if gambino just explained everything. Gambino leaving it up for interpretation allows for more organic opinions to be formed and a lot less forcing of ideas. Its gonna allow for opinions good , correct, or bad, to be heard and for the opportunity to build and or correct them. Great video yall!
Brizzy Danks theres only so much these platforms can do though. When an artists leaves his art up for interpretation, it leads to EVERYONE to take away their own viewpoints and messages from the work.
First off, thanks to DEHH. Both the original and the follow up videos are great. Brizzy I like your comment and the idea that leaving it for interpretation forces opinions good, bad or right-out-of-it. The idea of an organic experience is very compelling to me and has created some great discussions on a myriad of topics in the past. I love the idea of people taking away a personal truth from amorphous creations. However in this instance I feel myself agreeing more with Open Mike. Glover has created a high budget, high profile piece of art with a very distinct viewpoint and, arguably, message. With no context the conversation that follows invariably turns into a shouting match. And in a shouting match, the loudest voice wins. Mainstream media's framing of This Is America seems to be "It's gratuitous" or "It's harmless". They have the loudest voice, so they win. I think adding some context into the mix would settle things down and allow for real conversations to occur.
This was a part of the point I was trying to make on the previous video linked to this video. These sorts of pieces create dialogue that is necessary regardless of the emotion/PTSD/societal situation that exists. In fact, it can be even more necessary for controversial pieces like this to exist to create these very same dialogues which are constructive towards positive ends. Open Mike Eagle respectively states that we need platforms for these discussions. Yet, without Glover, this conversation wouldn't even exist. I take real issue with someone critiquing the legitimacy of an artist (Glover's intent for conscious expression) after admitting to their legitimacy through a different artistic medium. On one hand, Atlanta the show fulfills this requirement, but because his musical expression hasn't, he all of a sudden loses credibility? So, you're going to segregate his art, and in a way segregate the man into pieces? This seems a little absurd. Also, what's wrong with waiting until you have a massive platform to make this statement, as opposed to other artists who toil in obscurity never making a meaningful impact in the minds and lives of many. His show will live on forever in a way (visually) that is profound, and a lot of us are visual creatures. Open Mike thinks people need comfort, relief, and answers. Yes, yes they do. And clearly, what we have been doing as a "culture" hasn't adequately fulfilled these needs. And, how do you do that without collective dialogue, collective participation, a collective ideology, linked engagement that fulfills the ends that we need? You cannot. What you end up having is individuals trying to execute individually, and prominence attached to individuals as opposed to an overarching system. Open Mike states that without clarity, we end up in conversations that are not central to the conversation, or having no idea what the central conversation is. Maybe that's that point. To initiate a conversation that eventually evolves into something constructive. We as a "culture" cannot force artistic expression through a filtering process because it will stifle progress. Regardless of questioning someone's credibility. Forget a "case-by-case-" basis, because there may be someone out there who is legit, who has something great, but we end up watering it down. Open Mike harps on "Context" not explanation. But in a lot of cases, providing context provides explanation. If the pieces are there, and someone provides context, they put the pieces together. And that stifles the art itself, it limits the impact of that art. If I were an artist, I'd want a massive widespread impact. I'm OK with a lot of people not getting it, if it arrives at an end such as this. With chaos there is opportunity. All this stuff about the "Pandora's Box", the messenger changing the perception of the message etc, for me isn't particularly relevant because of the importance of having these intense conversations. The "system" is going to continue on the way it is, in fact, it may even think of new and creative ways to do "certain things". It is a necessity for these dialogues to happen, and quite frankly, outside of extreme situations, I welcome outlandish artistic expressions if it accomplishes that end. Mike C-Town says something about Glover wanting his work to be infamous, or take on this infamous quality. Absolutely, I think in some respects most artists want their work to be infamous, and the motives are based on the individual artist. But, when amidst the chaos, sane minded individuals emerge as a voice of clarity. And so, despite what his intentions may be, this is a good result. Because highlighting issues keeps them relevant. And, based on what many say about Atlanta, that relieves issues about the intent of his infamy to some extent. There's a lot to unpack from this discussion, but I think it's vital to not stifle expression, or sanitize expression, or translate expression, because there are a lot of people who, conceptually may not even be able to exist without that. And dialogue often cannot exist without it. Think of all the people doing positive work out there who cannot achieve this end, and they're doing it with transparency.
Aaron C but at the end of it all he's definitely right about having a clear intent specifically for these kinds of issues.. these are serious issues that he's addressing yet people are making memes out of it... parody etc.... rather than us discussing the issues... the confusion leads more to a conversation about the actual video which is perfect for a piece like because the internet... but it's different for shit like " the blacker the berry" , " be free" & " this is america" because these are real people and issues we're talking about
I agree that these are real people, and these are serious issues. I hope I didn't come across as disrespectful. But, how many songs, shows, so on and so forth have been direct, and obvious, yet fail to create any sort of sustainable dialogue, or sustainable agenda. I'm not saying that there aren't real people making a difference out there, but at the same time, the type of traction and cohesiveness that's required hasn't been developed yet in my opinion. And so, until that happens, I don't think we can just summarily write it off because it causes people to feel a particular way. Every time a man gets shot on TV, they relive it anyways. It becomes a running loop on the internet. They cannot cut that off any quicker than that video, and those men getting brutalized repeatedly is actually real. It's going to be a continual cycle anyways, sadly. These sorts of situations have been happening forever and a day. If an internal uproar gets us there, then that's what needs to happen IMO. The type of conditions being endured required serious philosophical dialogue, formulation and implementation. I don't think it's outlandish to say that what has been going on for the last 50 plus years has been a massive failure. And to say, well, lets just throw on some Talib Kweli (no disrespect to Talib, I enjoy his art) and it's going to make it all better, or, that's the "proper" way to address things. Let's live in this "comfort zone", despite being made uncomfortable collectively on a daily basis. I think people need to feel uncomfortable within the group, they need to feel the need to speak, they need to feel the need to say to their brothers that collectively we need to come to some sort of conclusions that address things in a way that we haven't considered. There are too many zombies just moving about, a guy gets gunned down and they become numb to it. No matter who the shooter is. Or, any other situation that occurs in relation to the group. There are too many fractured units with outlandish philosophies that will not result to anything. All of that needs to change. There needs to be a space for multiple forms of thought and expression.
Yeah agree. In the past year Mod's really brought the sho to another level. RESPECT. Cant wait to see what he and the crew got up their sleeve moving forward.
Let's say Donald Glover came out and said that he wanted people to take this video seriously and that he didn't want people to make memes of it, do y'all really think that people would respect his wishes? I only ask because people love to do the exact opposite of what you want them to do. Would it make a difference or would he just be wasting his time?
afro curly girl I think it's more about not allowing people to twist the video to forward their own agenda. Memes are fine but the bigger issue is manipulation
They arent saying he should/should have come out and tell people not to do that. Theyre simply saying itd be beneficial for him to guide the convo - not explain every detail, just to guide the convo
ChrisJ Fox yeah exactly... here's the thing.. certain people are gonna make memes... they're allowed to do that... but within the context of " the conversation ".... there needs to be someone leading and giving a clear idea as to what that conversation is actually supposed to be about... having a clear indication as to what this is would help to avoid people trying to hijack it...
definitely think there needs to be way more discussion episodes on this kind of content and way more guests to get outta the expected opinions and discussion flow,
I didn’t agree with Mike Eagle initially but now I see his point. When an artist puts something out like that, the message does get muddied. Even if I get the general overview, I still think certain things about certain images that the original creator did not mean at all. And nothing gets done because we don’t know what he really meant and so we just keep arguing in circles instead of dealing with what he was talking about in a real, tangible way. I don’t think he needs to explain everything or that he needed to do it immediately after the video dropped, but I do think that some sort of context could be given to spark discussion about the issues themselves and not just how the video portrayed said issues. Like with the show 13 Reasons Why, they provide a special afterwards and do countless interviews explaining where they are coming from so people don’t get the wrong idea, even if they disagree. Anyways, awesome that you got ME on the show and props for another great video 👍🏻
This is fucking dope, I've been a fan of DEHH for years now and I just got to know Open Mike Eagle's work last year because I listen to his wrestling podcast "Tights and Fights" and then I loved his projects, so it's really dope to see this conversation unfold 👏👏
This was cool as hell.. seeing dehh's and myke c-town's reviews on mike eagle projects actually helped pull me into being a consistent fan of the reviews and conversations.
Memes are always gonna happen, I don’t think they’re being made because people don’t understand the video, it’s just the way people are online. Doesn’t necessarily make them bad for making memes, it’s just how we focus on things; we relate more to humour. It’s ironic though because the video comments on how people take their focus away from important things and then in real life we have people making memes out of the video which takes the focus away from important things going on in the video.
I understand the concerns that Mike Eagle is saying, but it makes me wonder, don't most creatives hate being told HOW to convey their art? Yes context is very important but if being that cynical and nit picky about provocative art bothers you, then that's a YOU problem in my opinion. Gambino doesn't owe anyone an explanation of context about his art if that wasn't his vision for the video. Remember, the beauty behind art is simply your interpretation of it. It's to simply start the conversation and maybe...just maybe that's all Gambino wanted. Maybe that was the impact that he envisioned from the beginning
This is the one DEHH conversation I disagree with 100%. I don’t think Donald Glover should have to explain his art at all. The fact that people take the video seriously and have their own interpretation to it is very important to a video like this. Childish gambino coming out with a explanation would only limit what other people could interpret as. There’s so much in the video to interpret for yourself childish gambino probably wouldn’t mention everything that was in the video as he would intend to do so that would be counterproductive on his part. As for other people making memes of this.... people we’re going to do this regardless and if you honestly think Donald Glover stepping in to explain would stop or limit the memes let me remind y’all of harambe... trust me I’m upset that a lot of people are doing the meme thing but that only gives the video more popularity to be completely honest. The video is for dialogue not to spread a message. This is America is your interpretation.
Why can’t good or bad opinions be heard anymore? I’d rather have a natural, open and honest conversation with our own thoughts and interpretations rather than borrowing the argument that the artist made.
Did you watch the video? OME specifically said he isn't suggesting that Gambino should explain the details, just guide the conversation. Guiding the convo is not the same thing as explaining the video/art
The example he gave about Beyonce's Lemonade was pretty perfect. Best I know, Bey never once came out and explained various lines from those songs but the mere context of her life being known was enough to anchor things. She didn't have to explain her art, and neither does Glover
ChrisJ Fox the conversation doesn’t need to be guided by cb that’s the point. People were discussing and still are about the video. His point was unnecessary though in reality. But thank you for trying to say I didn’t watch the video.
Open mike eagle is one of the most underrated dudes put there. How could anybody feel at home and ziggys starfish are two of my favorite songs to listen to
DEHH looks like the god damn Hip Hop Jedi Council with the setup in this video lmao Seriously tho, ace video guys, loved Open Mike Eagle, even if I disagree with him having to add more context.
Art speaks for itself and this work of art spoke very clear and loudly. If you didn't get it then a lot of that is on you. Also the whole meme thing is just what happens on the internet. People will make a meme of any video regardless of the context. Gambino didn't need to say anything more.
Loved this video and the topic and points everybody made. And also felt like they were all trying real hard to keep their cool and not geek out cuz it's open Mike eagle lol
This conversation is beneficial to the cause because it keeps focus on the issues but at the same time, I find it unfair and some of the sentiments regimental. The song/video/art is not abstract in its main messages, it is very clear. The imagery is so stark and raw that a child could understand what the main social and political messages and narratives being outlined are. You definitely don't have to adult or woke! Unclear what 'guiding' of the conversation Glover can do that the video hasnt already done so vividly - at a minimum the video is a guide - the main sentiments are unequivocal. Yes, the video contains an array of fine details, its brilliant. When you have a piece of art which contains so much detail it invites you to watch and rewatch and rewatch it to catch more. How many times have you watched the video? It allows you to engage with work in your own personal way, speculating on what certain elements can mean. The art becomes alive and transformative as it is perceived by individuals' imagination. Its fucking dope.
Yo...Rod this was dope editing man. I see you. I'm always paying attention to the presentation and you always bringing the best out of the whole crew man. This is dope.
walls.beats I agree! Why should Childish Gambino waste his time explaining his art and message for/to people that are closed mind and mocking/"mudding" his message. It's not that they don't understand.. it's that they don't care.
I disagree that it is better for Donald Glover to come out and "clarify" his art because by doing that one immediately renders the art powerless. The beauty of art lies in interpretation. By denying this to the observer you have destroyed the potency of it. We as observers have our own power that we can read into and imbue in the art. We can ascribe meaning through observation. Like Mike says, leaving something to interpretation allows people to put into the art whatever they see or feel. And these interpretations tell us about the observer and the society. The video isn't"muddy" from my perspective, but a mirror that reflects the observer. Donald Glover giving an explanation would shatter this mirror and any visage that has been conjured by any given observer. Good art, to me, is meant to be interpreted in many many different ways. The memification does little to render the art powerless--in fact, that empowers it because it engenders discussion and new perspective. Art is powerful when left to the interpretations of the people because art is for the people--all people. To condense it down to a single interpretation--or a single direction as Mike suggests--only, from my point of view, saps the power, the artistry, out of it. It would be less art and more of an essay at that point. That's fine, if Donald Glover wants to do that, but I'd find it hard to call it art proper.
Editing is.... interesting in this episode. I wonder what it would look like if the guest is in the office with them. It's kinda funny and difficult to edit in a compelling way when it's just a Macbook serving as proxy for a guest. But I like the evolution!
Much as I love gambino and how much I want him to go deeper into what he means with the video. I'm not surprised because Donald seems like the type who always lays out an idea on the table and only gives a little info on it never really a full breakdown
I loved OME's contribution. I agree that, with respect to race and racial violence, intent and context is critical. Art can, and in many cases, should be left to interpretation. In many cases, the development of critical thinking skills is dependent on the unpacking of political, philosophical and social symbols, messages and languages--spoken and unspoken. With that said themes, ideas and symbols weigh differently and we must consider that when consuming, processing and discussing art in public spaces. Even the most obscure contemporary performance art is often presented in tandem with description, especially as it relates to race, sex and class. Many times this is done because the messages can be manipulated and perverted to service the purpose of undermining the value of life being presented in the performance or exhibit. With reading comprehension and critical thinking capability floundering at the bottom of Global measure, in this country, and racially, or gendered based, violence so prevalent we easily run the risk of emboldening social apathy towards the loss of black life by allowing messages, such as the ones present in This is America, to be mocked, misused and weaponized against the people who the video supposedly favorably represents. This is especially true when the audience is without the tools needed to unpack, successfully, the purpose, intent and ethic informing the creation, and presentation, of the performance.
I mixed about if Childish should or shouldn't clarified his message through his art. Yes, art is open to interpretation but sometimes not every is going to get what you are trying to convey and will make a mockery of it. I see both sides but I honestly don't know
KC Lorenz my only question is who is confused or misinterpreted this is America? Are DEHH saying the people who meme it misinterpreted it? Like the majority of people who saw the video got the message. People joking about it has nothing to do with misinterpreting something so I want to know who DEHH is talking about
That video isnt even hard to interpret why should he explain it. In a nutshell This America where we care more about guns than the lives of people especially black people and we are so desensitized to the violence around us we can just dance through it.
I understand the message of the video and I appreciate it but the memes are gold. I know a lot of people who wouldn't have seen the video if it weren't for the memes
The art is the conversation. Artists don't need to make any further comments. Most pieces are more powerful when left open ended because it forces people to think on their own. Imagine if Glover did an interview with vice or something about the meaning of his video. Everyone would watch the music video, feel confused, then immediately look up the explanation.
I'm so glad Open Mike is bringing this viewpoint to the table. At first I loved the video. Second watch, something felt off to me, I began to notice the messages through imagery Donald was trying to portray, but he offered no resolution. And it tore me, because I completely agree with the artistic freedom to be provocative and shock people with reality, but at the same time, I feel like if you're going to use these peoples' real life traumas, you need to have a very good reason to. In This is America, Donald is just reiterating what we see on a daily basis, and some people think it's great because it's exposing an issue that's gaining little ground. However, do we really lack information on the traumas of POC, specifically african-americans in the United States? It seems like a new picture with the same message that's been circulating since the dawn of black music. In that case, where's the solution to showing us all of this, Donald? Just my two cents.
agreed 100%. the video is a cool way of expressing something that everyone already knows without adding much aside from the experience of watching. we're surrounded by this stuff everyday and at this point we could use more meaningful, constructive commentary on it. it's easy to shit on something without going into actual depth about it
I understand the desire for resolution--that's what everyone wants, I don't know why I'm stating the obvious haha. But I think there's value in not having a solution or resolution or any kind of neatly tied bow around a particular message or meaning. David Lynch, the famous Director, doesn't give explanations to his films--which are very, very weird--because he thinks why should he have to give concrete answers when life does not. I think this leaving art open to any legitimate interpretation can be a powerful tool.
It's not practical to have a solution to fixing everything in this country, if anything the fact that the video inspired people to think and dissect the video is the resolution itself. Because it's gonna take decades to fix the social issues in america, no amount of protesting will work.
I get that there's a need for some guidance for most people, but in general I think it's more compelling if the artist intended for it to be vague, and deliberately allows the conversation to be whatever it is to the masses. In some cases you need perfect explanations, like in journalism or a textbook, etc. But if an artist wants to enjoy the conversation from the sidelines, let them do it. I know there's flaws in that too, but there's flaws in everything.
So you'd rather take shock value and getting exposure over speaking consciously using your platform to bring awareness to these issues? I get your point, however there's more at stake than just views and clicks on a video. Go to some of these reaction videos about This is America, you'll see that people really don't know what the fuck is going on and are using Black people as a scapegoat as opposed to being real about the issues faced in America as a whole. We don't live in an era of the conscious thinker. People are biased, and people are morons lol. Nowadays, society needs it's hand held and to be strayed in the right direction.
harold lester He isn't the most outspoken person on racial issues but he has talked about it before. Check out his interview on The Breakfast Club he did a few years back.
ShutYoMouth What if gambino doesn't have the answers... these are issues that's plagued American since it's existence. He's using his platform to start the conversation when he has no obligation to.. yet still gets criticized in his approach.
Amber Brown Do you even know what the discussion is about? If Gambino doesn't have the answers, then he doesn't know the meaning behind his whole art. Let's aso clarify that he didn't start any discussion. The issues that plague America have been discussed well before his video. He simply brought interest into the topic, and temporary interest at that.
how is the message muddy??? it's crystal clear! unless you actually give Glover the detriment of the doubt and suspect him of perhaps condoning the state of America, the message is crisp! Basquiat was an artist that had very graphic and engaged art... when they wanted him to clarify it this is what they got: The interviewer asks Basquiat about why he includes seemingly random words throughout his paintings. The painter, with a slight smile, retorts, “Would you ask Miles [Davis] where he gets his notes from?" Do you imagine Picasso's Guernica to come with instructions? Art IS the explanation! come on!
Harun Osmanovic no, listen to what open mike said. The message is very muddy to people who dont care about glover or his art. Its controversial imagery that in this day and age needs to be explained or not presented at all. At the current moment the art itself is not enough
The message to any piece of art is muddy, and the artist isn't and shouldn't always be in control of it. Does Donald even know what his song/video means?
Yeah honestly I didn't even think anyone had interpreted This is America as not an obvious criticism of society's current state. It seems clear as day even though there are some symbols/references that you wouldn't automatically get
We don't live in a world of conscious thinkers. People only try to think about your art when they relate to it. There are numerous videos of white people reacting to the video that exhibits this. They either take the issues presented as a joke or as a "Black problem". The message is extremely muddled. Sure, conscious thinkers like you and I understand the video. But there are countless of people who just see this as liberal propaganda and strictly "black people being black people".
I think the fact that the video is being satirized further solidifies the point that the creators were trying to communicate. Just like how the dancing in the video is used as a tool to distract the audience from the shit going on in the background, the memes and remakes are the real life equivalent of the dancing. People are choosing to ignore or don't understand the issues raised in the video. It's ironic and sad af, and I'm sure Donald with his experience in writing and film making, knows what kind of reaction he will get from his audience. Also, maybe the creators don't have any answers to the issues and questions they raise, who really does? They've chosen to express what they experience and feel, and I think the video succeeds in portraying something that a lot of people have been feeling and living.
I feel like the context of the video is in the title itself. It's simple, it's right there. Granted there are references that require some digging if you don't know what they are. Once you know, ask yourself how it relates to the title. I don't think Glover needs to do anything more and even if he does, the message will still be "muddy".
I agree 100% with OME. i felt the same about the Jay Z video that came out last year. (Honestly forgot the name of the song/video) its pretty much just racial shock value
y’all should have way more subscribers than this! complex would kill for a show like this. everyday struggle is so lame now a days smh. you guys actually discuss the music and not dumb ass antics these rappers do
im only 6 mins in but i wanna put this out there, maybe letting the art speak for itself and not clarifying the message will make the conversation about the issues brought up last longer. for example if glover had explained every detail and message in the video then would yall or even anyone still be talking about it 3 weeks later? im not saying i agree with what glover is doing by offering no explanation but maybe he refuses to explain the video is because he feels that is the way the conversation about the art and message will last longer. imo you will think a lot longer about a "muddy" message than you will a clear one
I'm pausing before watching the video but on Twitter Mike Eagle says something about some interpretations of art being more correct than others. That is absolutely wrong. What he really means is that they are "interpretations" of art that are closer to the artist's "intention" (or own interpretation) of his/her/their work. But any interpretation of any work of art is valid. Art is free, it's a work of the mind and depends always on a personal perspective and context.
The fact that, as of now, different people react differently to the video and every interpretation is as valid as the next one is what keeps the conversation going. As soon as Gambino explains his intent, the conversation stops and Gambino just turns into another musician preaching social ideologies.
I don’t really think you can say his message doesn’t have as much weight or validity to it because “his music career doesn’t have that legacy.” It’s well documented that Donald Glover is an artist who uses many forms of art to convey his thoughts, whether it’s comedy, acting, screenwriting, or his music career and I don’t think he should have a disconnect of his different art forms. It’s clear with some of his comedy sketches and Atlanta that he is a politically driven person with opinions he wants to express, and this can also be seen in his most recent album. Just because it has more shock factor than some of his other art or it’s getting more attention doesn’t necessarily make his intentions malicious and just because his musical work isn’t always as politically charged as his other works doesn’t make them invalid as political pieces.
Regarding memes, satires and stuff like that the thing is nothing is immune to these. And I mean nothing at all, especially on the Internet. There is always a group of people who's coping mechanisms with what they see, hear or perceive they'll rather choose to respond the issues at hand with humor over anything else including having a serious engaging discussion regarding the said issues. I mean people make memes out of 9/11 of all things... That alone showcases that not everyone will take everything seriously, not even about actual people dying as they will just make fun of that as well. Maybe a lack of empathy in general is also a contributing factor regarding the meme creators themselves. At the same time however memes are not all bad as it potentially popularizes the main topic it makes fun of and as weird as this may sound gives people access to what they otherwise could have missed out entirely if it weren't for the said memes. All in all just be happy that the message within 'This Is America' reaches the 'right' people who are willing to initiate, engage, discuss and introduce new ideas in order to make drastic changes in the land of the free.
1:19 Feefo look like his kid got a bad grade at school
That feeling when wifey say you can't bump nothing in the whip till yall "figure some things out"
i also think a lot of the responsibility of "guiding the conversation" falls on platforms such as DEHH with intellectual and well informed hip hop fans. I dont think these conversations happen enough, and this conversation wouldnt happen at all if gambino just explained everything. Gambino leaving it up for interpretation allows for more organic opinions to be formed and a lot less forcing of ideas. Its gonna allow for opinions good , correct, or bad, to be heard and for the opportunity to build and or correct them. Great video yall!
Brizzy Danks theres only so much these platforms can do though. When an artists leaves his art up for interpretation, it leads to EVERYONE to take away their own viewpoints and messages from the work.
First off, thanks to DEHH. Both the original and the follow up videos are great. Brizzy I like your comment and the idea that leaving it for interpretation forces opinions good, bad or right-out-of-it. The idea of an organic experience is very compelling to me and has created some great discussions on a myriad of topics in the past. I love the idea of people taking away a personal truth from amorphous creations. However in this instance I feel myself agreeing more with Open Mike. Glover has created a high budget, high profile piece of art with a very distinct viewpoint and, arguably, message. With no context the conversation that follows invariably turns into a shouting match. And in a shouting match, the loudest voice wins. Mainstream media's framing of This Is America seems to be "It's gratuitous" or "It's harmless". They have the loudest voice, so they win. I think adding some context into the mix would settle things down and allow for real conversations to occur.
This was a part of the point I was trying to make on the previous video linked to this video. These sorts of pieces create dialogue that is necessary regardless of the emotion/PTSD/societal situation that exists. In fact, it can be even more necessary for controversial pieces like this to exist to create these very same dialogues which are constructive towards positive ends. Open Mike Eagle respectively states that we need platforms for these discussions. Yet, without Glover, this conversation wouldn't even exist.
I take real issue with someone critiquing the legitimacy of an artist (Glover's intent for conscious expression) after admitting to their legitimacy through a different artistic medium. On one hand, Atlanta the show fulfills this requirement, but because his musical expression hasn't, he all of a sudden loses credibility? So, you're going to segregate his art, and in a way segregate the man into pieces? This seems a little absurd. Also, what's wrong with waiting until you have a massive platform to make this statement, as opposed to other artists who toil in obscurity never making a meaningful impact in the minds and lives of many. His show will live on forever in a way (visually) that is profound, and a lot of us are visual creatures.
Open Mike thinks people need comfort, relief, and answers. Yes, yes they do. And clearly, what we have been doing as a "culture" hasn't adequately fulfilled these needs. And, how do you do that without collective dialogue, collective participation, a collective ideology, linked engagement that fulfills the ends that we need? You cannot. What you end up having is individuals trying to execute individually, and prominence attached to individuals as opposed to an overarching system.
Open Mike states that without clarity, we end up in conversations that are not central to the conversation, or having no idea what the central conversation is. Maybe that's that point. To initiate a conversation that eventually evolves into something constructive. We as a "culture" cannot force artistic expression through a filtering process because it will stifle progress. Regardless of questioning someone's credibility. Forget a "case-by-case-" basis, because there may be someone out there who is legit, who has something great, but we end up watering it down.
Open Mike harps on "Context" not explanation. But in a lot of cases, providing context provides explanation. If the pieces are there, and someone provides context, they put the pieces together. And that stifles the art itself, it limits the impact of that art. If I were an artist, I'd want a massive widespread impact. I'm OK with a lot of people not getting it, if it arrives at an end such as this. With chaos there is opportunity.
All this stuff about the "Pandora's Box", the messenger changing the perception of the message etc, for me isn't particularly relevant because of the importance of having these intense conversations. The "system" is going to continue on the way it is, in fact, it may even think of new and creative ways to do "certain things". It is a necessity for these dialogues to happen, and quite frankly, outside of extreme situations, I welcome outlandish artistic expressions if it accomplishes that end.
Mike C-Town says something about Glover wanting his work to be infamous, or take on this infamous quality. Absolutely, I think in some respects most artists want their work to be infamous, and the motives are based on the individual artist. But, when amidst the chaos, sane minded individuals emerge as a voice of clarity. And so, despite what his intentions may be, this is a good result. Because highlighting issues keeps them relevant. And, based on what many say about Atlanta, that relieves issues about the intent of his infamy to some extent.
There's a lot to unpack from this discussion, but I think it's vital to not stifle expression, or sanitize expression, or translate expression, because there are a lot of people who, conceptually may not even be able to exist without that. And dialogue often cannot exist without it. Think of all the people doing positive work out there who cannot achieve this end, and they're doing it with transparency.
Aaron C but at the end of it all he's definitely right about having a clear intent specifically for these kinds of issues.. these are serious issues that he's addressing yet people are making memes out of it... parody etc.... rather than us discussing the issues... the confusion leads more to a conversation about the actual video which is perfect for a piece like because the internet... but it's different for shit like " the blacker the berry" , " be free" & " this is america" because these are real people and issues we're talking about
I agree that these are real people, and these are serious issues. I hope I didn't come across as disrespectful. But, how many songs, shows, so on and so forth have been direct, and obvious, yet fail to create any sort of sustainable dialogue, or sustainable agenda. I'm not saying that there aren't real people making a difference out there, but at the same time, the type of traction and cohesiveness that's required hasn't been developed yet in my opinion. And so, until that happens, I don't think we can just summarily write it off because it causes people to feel a particular way. Every time a man gets shot on TV, they relive it anyways. It becomes a running loop on the internet. They cannot cut that off any quicker than that video, and those men getting brutalized repeatedly is actually real. It's going to be a continual cycle anyways, sadly.
These sorts of situations have been happening forever and a day. If an internal uproar gets us there, then that's what needs to happen IMO. The type of conditions being endured required serious philosophical dialogue, formulation and implementation. I don't think it's outlandish to say that what has been going on for the last 50 plus years has been a massive failure. And to say, well, lets just throw on some Talib Kweli (no disrespect to Talib, I enjoy his art) and it's going to make it all better, or, that's the "proper" way to address things. Let's live in this "comfort zone", despite being made uncomfortable collectively on a daily basis. I think people need to feel uncomfortable within the group, they need to feel the need to speak, they need to feel the need to say to their brothers that collectively we need to come to some sort of conclusions that address things in a way that we haven't considered. There are too many zombies just moving about, a guy gets gunned down and they become numb to it. No matter who the shooter is. Or, any other situation that occurs in relation to the group. There are too many fractured units with outlandish philosophies that will not result to anything. All of that needs to change.
There needs to be a space for multiple forms of thought and expression.
Feefo looks like he got put in time out. loool
afro curly girl lmfaooooo
afro curly girl Yoooo
He sink any deeper into that sofa and he gonna be lying down on the floor
afro curly girl lol
Haha, thought the same thing!
Why does Feefo look like he wanna murder Mike Eagle at 1:19
Feefo look like Mike Eagle stole his lunch money and he plotting revenge
I hope he was just cold lol.
He knew open mike was just being a hater and was backtracking like crazy
My man's Modest getting nice with angles tho
Yeah agree. In the past year Mod's really brought the sho to another level. RESPECT. Cant wait to see what he and the crew got up their sleeve moving forward.
*show
Let's say Donald Glover came out and said that he wanted people to take this video seriously and that he didn't want people to make memes of it, do y'all really think that people would respect his wishes? I only ask because people love to do the exact opposite of what you want them to do. Would it make a difference or would he just be wasting his time?
afro curly girl I think it's more about not allowing people to twist the video to forward their own agenda. Memes are fine but the bigger issue is manipulation
They arent saying he should/should have come out and tell people not to do that. Theyre simply saying itd be beneficial for him to guide the convo - not explain every detail, just to guide the convo
ChrisJ Fox yeah exactly... here's the thing.. certain people are gonna make memes... they're allowed to do that... but within the context of " the conversation ".... there needs to be someone leading and giving a clear idea as to what that conversation is actually supposed to be about... having a clear indication as to what this is would help to avoid people trying to hijack it...
people already do make memes about it to spite the people who say not to meme it
afro curly girl I like u
5 seconds in and they already roasting Kinge
definitely think there needs to be way more discussion episodes on this kind of content and way more guests to get outta the expected opinions and discussion flow,
I think Donald knew it was going to be made into memes while making it. Hence ‘this is America’ cause serious issues always get turned into jokes.
Youwy Truuuuuuuu
Youwy, that's a great insight. I love it.
Anything popular, no matter how serious, turns into a meme. Coronavirus is proof
Feefo looks like Birdman on breakfast club 1:19
The message is not muddy. There are just so many ills that were touched on this video that would take hours to explain.
I didn’t agree with Mike Eagle initially but now I see his point. When an artist puts something out like that, the message does get muddied. Even if I get the general overview, I still think certain things about certain images that the original creator did not mean at all. And nothing gets done because we don’t know what he really meant and so we just keep arguing in circles instead of dealing with what he was talking about in a real, tangible way. I don’t think he needs to explain everything or that he needed to do it immediately after the video dropped, but I do think that some sort of context could be given to spark discussion about the issues themselves and not just how the video portrayed said issues. Like with the show 13 Reasons Why, they provide a special afterwards and do countless interviews explaining where they are coming from so people don’t get the wrong idea, even if they disagree.
Anyways, awesome that you got ME on the show and props for another great video 👍🏻
This is fucking dope, I've been a fan of DEHH for years now and I just got to know Open Mike Eagle's work last year because I listen to his wrestling podcast "Tights and Fights" and then I loved his projects, so it's really dope to see this conversation unfold 👏👏
This was cool as hell.. seeing dehh's and myke c-town's reviews on mike eagle projects actually helped pull me into being a consistent fan of the reviews and conversations.
Great Job Modest on the editing and the recording, I really like those angles especially the one when we see you with the camera, refreshing!
Khoi Kidd definitely refreshing. Cuz we don't see him enough
You guys have been killing it with these videos lately.
Bro Those camera views are so fire!
GREAT CHAT
Memes are always gonna happen, I don’t think they’re being made because people don’t understand the video, it’s just the way people are online. Doesn’t necessarily make them bad for making memes, it’s just how we focus on things; we relate more to humour.
It’s ironic though because the video comments on how people take their focus away from important things and then in real life we have people making memes out of the video which takes the focus away from important things going on in the video.
NotRealMusic thank you, you’re the only person I’ve seen make this point
I feel like the fact memes are being made, solidifies one of the points made in the video
They specifically acknowledged that memes are going to happen no matter what. That wasnt their point.
Yeah, I noticed this myself. It almost strengthens Glover's point, I think. Crazy.
1:21 Feefo looks so pissed
There's a book called Behold a Pale Horse. More popular in New York 5 Percenter culture, but Goodie Mob was heavy into it too
I understand the concerns that Mike Eagle is saying, but it makes me wonder, don't most creatives hate being told HOW to convey their art? Yes context is very important but if being that cynical and nit picky about provocative art bothers you, then that's a YOU problem in my opinion. Gambino doesn't owe anyone an explanation of context about his art if that wasn't his vision for the video. Remember, the beauty behind art is simply your interpretation of it. It's to simply start the conversation and maybe...just maybe that's all Gambino wanted. Maybe that was the impact that he envisioned from the beginning
I was looking for a way to understand why I felt this way and you nailed it for me. Totally agree.
This is the one DEHH conversation I disagree with 100%. I don’t think Donald Glover should have to explain his art at all. The fact that people take the video seriously and have their own interpretation to it is very important to a video like this. Childish gambino coming out with a explanation would only limit what other people could interpret as. There’s so much in the video to interpret for yourself childish gambino probably wouldn’t mention everything that was in the video as he would intend to do so that would be counterproductive on his part.
As for other people making memes of this.... people we’re going to do this regardless and if you honestly think Donald Glover stepping in to explain would stop or limit the memes let me remind y’all of harambe... trust me I’m upset that a lot of people are doing the meme thing but that only gives the video more popularity to be completely honest.
The video is for dialogue not to spread a message. This is America is your interpretation.
Why can’t good or bad opinions be heard anymore? I’d rather have a natural, open and honest conversation with our own thoughts and interpretations rather than borrowing the argument that the artist made.
Did you watch the video? OME specifically said he isn't suggesting that Gambino should explain the details, just guide the conversation. Guiding the convo is not the same thing as explaining the video/art
The example he gave about Beyonce's Lemonade was pretty perfect. Best I know, Bey never once came out and explained various lines from those songs but the mere context of her life being known was enough to anchor things. She didn't have to explain her art, and neither does Glover
ChrisJ Fox “this is one DEHH conversation I 100% disagree with”
I was talking about deadend specifically and not open mike so ok...
ChrisJ Fox the conversation doesn’t need to be guided by cb that’s the point. People were discussing and still are about the video. His point was unnecessary though in reality. But thank you for trying to say I didn’t watch the video.
Open mike eagle is one of the most underrated dudes put there. How could anybody feel at home and ziggys starfish are two of my favorite songs to listen to
Dehh killing it with the convos. Please keep this up!
DEHH looks like the god damn Hip Hop Jedi Council with the setup in this video lmao
Seriously tho, ace video guys, loved Open Mike Eagle, even if I disagree with him having to add more context.
When someone reminds you Donald Trump is president. 1:19
When J. Cole going to pull up on DEHH like he did Lil’ Pump?
That will be the best and funniest video ever.
Dehh getting the new building probably the best thing that happened this channel. We getting consistent videos .
The fact that people want to make memes for this video is I feel speaking exactly on the issue he was trying to convey in the video
Or at least one of the many issues he tried to convey and I really don’t think memes are going to destroy the impact of the song / video
This is the highest production value I've ever seen on this show, great job rod! Great job dehh!
Conversations about art are always interesting and convoluted. I love this.
Wow this is great! Thank you Mike for taking the time!
Art speaks for itself and this work of art spoke very clear and loudly. If you didn't get it then a lot of that is on you. Also the whole meme thing is just what happens on the internet. People will make a meme of any video regardless of the context. Gambino didn't need to say anything more.
Loved this video and the topic and points everybody made. And also felt like they were all trying real hard to keep their cool and not geek out cuz it's open Mike eagle lol
This was a wonderful surprise. I've always been a big fan of open mike
What did Mike say that made Feefo so mad @ 1:21?
Rory Munro i think is the way he’s sitting in that position he’s kinda slouched over lmao but if you look closely he was nodding his head in approval
See, I interpreted that nod as uncontrollable rage. He obviously approves and all but couldn't help laugh when I saw his frown.
Rory Munro yea when they put the camera on him i was cracking up too 😂 i was like why he making that face lmao
Recording and editing looks crisp af. Amazing video
was really hoping that they brought him in into the studio great talk either way.
This conversation is beneficial to the cause because it keeps focus on the issues but at the same time, I find it unfair and some of the sentiments regimental.
The song/video/art is not abstract in its main messages, it is very clear. The imagery is so stark and raw that a child could understand what the main social and political messages and narratives being outlined are. You definitely don't have to adult or woke! Unclear what 'guiding' of the conversation Glover can do that the video hasnt already done so vividly - at a minimum the video is a guide - the main sentiments are unequivocal.
Yes, the video contains an array of fine details, its brilliant. When you have a piece of art which contains so much detail it invites you to watch and rewatch and rewatch it to catch more. How many times have you watched the video? It allows you to engage with work in your own personal way, speculating on what certain elements can mean. The art becomes alive and transformative as it is perceived by individuals' imagination. Its fucking dope.
Dude you guys got Open Mike Eagle!? The Open Mike Eagle!! Hell yeah!
Yo...Rod this was dope editing man. I see you. I'm always paying attention to the presentation and you always bringing the best out of the whole crew man. This is dope.
Beautiful episode. Looking forward to a review of Atlanta season 2. Hope we get it.
i’m liking this multi camera setup
1st 3 minutes, Open Mike Eagle controlled thee SHIT outta that room lol
I really don’t understand the need for an explanation
walls.beats I agree! Why should Childish Gambino waste his time explaining his art and message for/to people that are closed mind and mocking/"mudding" his message. It's not that they don't understand.. it's that they don't care.
there was no need for one, people just wanting to be spoon fed. that's not how all art works
Artists have no responsibility to explain their art. A piece being open to interpretation is a characteristic of quality art.
One of my favorite rappers and one of my favorite yt channels collabing! Wow
I disagree that it is better for Donald Glover to come out and "clarify" his art because by doing that one immediately renders the art powerless. The beauty of art lies in interpretation. By denying this to the observer you have destroyed the potency of it.
We as observers have our own power that we can read into and imbue in the art. We can ascribe meaning through observation. Like Mike says, leaving something to interpretation allows people to put into the art whatever they see or feel. And these interpretations tell us about the observer and the society.
The video isn't"muddy" from my perspective, but a mirror that reflects the observer. Donald Glover giving an explanation would shatter this mirror and any visage that has been conjured by any given observer.
Good art, to me, is meant to be interpreted in many many different ways. The memification does little to render the art powerless--in fact, that empowers it because it engenders discussion and new perspective.
Art is powerful when left to the interpretations of the people because art is for the people--all people. To condense it down to a single interpretation--or a single direction as Mike suggests--only, from my point of view, saps the power, the artistry, out of it. It would be less art and more of an essay at that point. That's fine, if Donald Glover wants to do that, but I'd find it hard to call it art proper.
Loving all this content newstudionedehh
Editing is.... interesting in this episode. I wonder what it would look like if the guest is in the office with them. It's kinda funny and difficult to edit in a compelling way when it's just a Macbook serving as proxy for a guest. But I like the evolution!
IM BIG AS HELL CANT FIT IN MY FIT MY SLEEVES RIPPED
this is like one of the only good comments here.
Hulk Smash!!
16:22 when you planned on bumpin the new pusha in the whip after work but you're pissed you have to sit and listen to open eagle talk instead
Yo i love you guys having Mike Eagle on! Perfect
Great convo guys, I love Open Mike Eagle! This was a really insightful video, I hope that you can continue to have conversations with artists!
Much as I love gambino and how much I want him to go deeper into what he means with the video. I'm not surprised because Donald seems like the type who always lays out an idea on the table and only gives a little info on it never really a full breakdown
I loved OME's contribution. I agree that, with respect to race and racial violence, intent and context is critical. Art can, and in many cases, should be left to interpretation. In many cases, the development of critical thinking skills is dependent on the unpacking of political, philosophical and social symbols, messages and languages--spoken and unspoken. With that said themes, ideas and symbols weigh differently and we must consider that when consuming, processing and discussing art in public spaces. Even the most obscure contemporary performance art is often presented in tandem with description, especially as it relates to race, sex and class. Many times this is done because the messages can be manipulated and perverted to service the purpose of undermining the value of life being presented in the performance or exhibit. With reading comprehension and critical thinking capability floundering at the bottom of Global measure, in this country, and racially, or gendered based, violence so prevalent we easily run the risk of emboldening social apathy towards the loss of black life by allowing messages, such as the ones present in This is America, to be mocked, misused and weaponized against the people who the video supposedly favorably represents. This is especially true when the audience is without the tools needed to unpack, successfully, the purpose, intent and ethic informing the creation, and presentation, of the performance.
I hope you guys can one day review Organized Konfusion Stress: The Extinction Agenda and Slim Shady LP.
I mixed about if Childish should or shouldn't clarified his message through his art. Yes, art is open to interpretation but sometimes not every is going to get what you are trying to convey and will make a mockery of it. I see both sides but I honestly don't know
KC Lorenz my only question is who is confused or misinterpreted this is America? Are DEHH saying the people who meme it misinterpreted it? Like the majority of people who saw the video got the message. People joking about it has nothing to do with misinterpreting something so I want to know who DEHH is talking about
That video isnt even hard to interpret why should he explain it. In a nutshell This America where we care more about guns than the lives of people especially black people and we are so desensitized to the violence around us we can just dance through it.
Mykell Broughton 💯
Fail. You missed 99%. Filled with illuminati symbolism
Ziggy Xavier Niiiga 😂
This was good! Y'all making MOVES!!
I understand the message of the video and I appreciate it but the memes are gold. I know a lot of people who wouldn't have seen the video if it weren't for the memes
Feefo finna get endless captions @ 1:19
That thumbnail is HILARIOUS!
My respect for yall just grows every day keep it a 100
The art is the conversation. Artists don't need to make any further comments. Most pieces are more powerful when left open ended because it forces people to think on their own. Imagine if Glover did an interview with vice or something about the meaning of his video. Everyone would watch the music video, feel confused, then immediately look up the explanation.
He is correct. They need to be on tv or something. I could see Revolt signing DEHH
I'm so glad Open Mike is bringing this viewpoint to the table. At first I loved the video. Second watch, something felt off to me, I began to notice the messages through imagery Donald was trying to portray, but he offered no resolution. And it tore me, because I completely agree with the artistic freedom to be provocative and shock people with reality, but at the same time, I feel like if you're going to use these peoples' real life traumas, you need to have a very good reason to. In This is America, Donald is just reiterating what we see on a daily basis, and some people think it's great because it's exposing an issue that's gaining little ground. However, do we really lack information on the traumas of POC, specifically african-americans in the United States? It seems like a new picture with the same message that's been circulating since the dawn of black music. In that case, where's the solution to showing us all of this, Donald? Just my two cents.
agreed 100%. the video is a cool way of expressing something that everyone already knows without adding much aside from the experience of watching. we're surrounded by this stuff everyday and at this point we could use more meaningful, constructive commentary on it. it's easy to shit on something without going into actual depth about it
Is he obligated to offer a solution?
I understand the desire for resolution--that's what everyone wants, I don't know why I'm stating the obvious haha. But I think there's value in not having a solution or resolution or any kind of neatly tied bow around a particular message or meaning. David Lynch, the famous Director, doesn't give explanations to his films--which are very, very weird--because he thinks why should he have to give concrete answers when life does not. I think this leaving art open to any legitimate interpretation can be a powerful tool.
It's not practical to have a solution to fixing everything in this country, if anything the fact that the video inspired people to think and dissect the video is the resolution itself. Because it's gonna take decades to fix the social issues in america, no amount of protesting will work.
Why do you think that Gambino has the answer if you and literally no one else has a solution?
I get that there's a need for some guidance for most people, but in general I think it's more compelling if the artist intended for it to be vague, and deliberately allows the conversation to be whatever it is to the masses. In some cases you need perfect explanations, like in journalism or a textbook, etc. But if an artist wants to enjoy the conversation from the sidelines, let them do it. I know there's flaws in that too, but there's flaws in everything.
This is really the Myke X Open Mike convo I always wanted.
If Gambino explain then the people wouldn't be discussing the video the way it's being talk about now.
So you'd rather take shock value and getting exposure over speaking consciously using your platform to bring awareness to these issues? I get your point, however there's more at stake than just views and clicks on a video. Go to some of these reaction videos about This is America, you'll see that people really don't know what the fuck is going on and are using Black people as a scapegoat as opposed to being real about the issues faced in America as a whole. We don't live in an era of the conscious thinker. People are biased, and people are morons lol. Nowadays, society needs it's hand held and to be strayed in the right direction.
Agreed.
harold lester He isn't the most outspoken person on racial issues but he has talked about it before. Check out his interview on The Breakfast Club he did a few years back.
ShutYoMouth What if gambino doesn't have the answers... these are issues that's plagued American since it's existence. He's using his platform to start the conversation when he has no obligation to.. yet still gets criticized in his approach.
Amber Brown Do you even know what the discussion is about? If Gambino doesn't have the answers, then he doesn't know the meaning behind his whole art. Let's aso clarify that he didn't start any discussion. The issues that plague America have been discussed well before his video. He simply brought interest into the topic, and temporary interest at that.
Y'all should do a review on Chuck Strangers' project "Consumers Park". Shit is dank imo
That more people aren't demanding explanation in outrage says something about the message of TIA and our culture... desensitized
lol for real though Rod is on some next level camera work in this video 👌👌
how is the message muddy??? it's crystal clear! unless you actually give Glover the detriment of the doubt and suspect him of perhaps condoning the state of America, the message is crisp!
Basquiat was an artist that had very graphic and engaged art... when they wanted him to clarify it this is what they got:
The interviewer asks Basquiat about why he includes seemingly random words throughout his paintings. The painter, with a slight smile, retorts, “Would you ask Miles [Davis] where he gets his notes from?"
Do you imagine Picasso's Guernica to come with instructions? Art IS the explanation! come on!
Harun Osmanovic no, listen to what open mike said. The message is very muddy to people who dont care about glover or his art. Its controversial imagery that in this day and age needs to be explained or not presented at all. At the current moment the art itself is not enough
The message to any piece of art is muddy, and the artist isn't and shouldn't always be in control of it. Does Donald even know what his song/video means?
Yeah honestly I didn't even think anyone had interpreted This is America as not an obvious criticism of society's current state. It seems clear as day even though there are some symbols/references that you wouldn't automatically get
We don't live in a world of conscious thinkers. People only try to think about your art when they relate to it. There are numerous videos of white people reacting to the video that exhibits this. They either take the issues presented as a joke or as a "Black problem". The message is extremely muddled. Sure, conscious thinkers like you and I understand the video. But there are countless of people who just see this as liberal propaganda and strictly "black people being black people".
It’s muddy to people that don’t focus on the important things going on.
Who else saw Gambino in the thumbnail behind Myke looking like a disgruntled J.Cole fan bout to catch his fade.
Talk about the Kendrick thing, I’m interested to hear what you think!
I think the fact that the video is being satirized further solidifies the point that the creators were trying to communicate. Just like how the dancing in the video is used as a tool to distract the audience from the shit going on in the background, the memes and remakes are the real life equivalent of the dancing. People are choosing to ignore or don't understand the issues raised in the video. It's ironic and sad af, and I'm sure Donald with his experience in writing and film making, knows what kind of reaction he will get from his audience.
Also, maybe the creators don't have any answers to the issues and questions they raise, who really does? They've chosen to express what they experience and feel, and I think the video succeeds in portraying something that a lot of people have been feeling and living.
DEHH upload? Ummm CLICK!
Feefo was salty as hell at the beginning. Who pissed in yo cheerios, breh breh?
I feel like the context of the video is in the title itself. It's simple, it's right there. Granted there are references that require some digging if you don't know what they are. Once you know, ask yourself how it relates to the title. I don't think Glover needs to do anything more and even if he does, the message will still be "muddy".
Y'all need to discuss Pusha T - The Story of Adidon
I fucking knew Open Mike Eagle was talking about Kanye West's bull shit lol
I agree 100% with OME. i felt the same about the Jay Z video that came out last year. (Honestly forgot the name of the song/video) its pretty much just racial shock value
Lol Rod is guiding the convo like Cole in that Pump interview. not a diss either this was a great discussion
y’all should have way more subscribers than this! complex would kill for a show like this. everyday struggle is so lame now a days smh. you guys actually discuss the music and not dumb ass antics these rappers do
ima need yall to discuss that pusha t response asap. Shit was vicious
SSPYR0 I was hoping it would be on the podcast
im only 6 mins in but i wanna put this out there, maybe letting the art speak for itself and not clarifying the message will make the conversation about the issues brought up last longer. for example if glover had explained every detail and message in the video then would yall or even anyone still be talking about it 3 weeks later? im not saying i agree with what glover is doing by offering no explanation but maybe he refuses to explain the video is because he feels that is the way the conversation about the art and message will last longer. imo you will think a lot longer about a "muddy" message than you will a clear one
Open Mike! Very cool to see. Long live Mello Music Group!
I'm pausing before watching the video but on Twitter Mike Eagle says something about some interpretations of art being more correct than others. That is absolutely wrong. What he really means is that they are "interpretations" of art that are closer to the artist's "intention" (or own interpretation) of his/her/their work. But any interpretation of any work of art is valid. Art is free, it's a work of the mind and depends always on a personal perspective and context.
The fact that, as of now, different people react differently to the video and every interpretation is as valid as the next one is what keeps the conversation going. As soon as Gambino explains his intent, the conversation stops and Gambino just turns into another musician preaching social ideologies.
this was dope af, and mike is just cool as hell
Good vid guys. Great discussion
Haven't watched the video but fuck yeah open Mike in the house
I don’t really think you can say his message doesn’t have as much weight or validity to it because “his music career doesn’t have that legacy.” It’s well documented that Donald Glover is an artist who uses many forms of art to convey his thoughts, whether it’s comedy, acting, screenwriting, or his music career and I don’t think he should have a disconnect of his different art forms. It’s clear with some of his comedy sketches and Atlanta that he is a politically driven person with opinions he wants to express, and this can also be seen in his most recent album. Just because it has more shock factor than some of his other art or it’s getting more attention doesn’t necessarily make his intentions malicious and just because his musical work isn’t always as politically charged as his other works doesn’t make them invalid as political pieces.
This song will probably make more sense in the context of whatever album Childish Gambino releases.
Mad u got Open Mike on this yous do bits
Great convo
Feefo looking like that Simpsons Lenny Intense Face meme lol
Waiting on that Drake vs Pusha T vid🤣👀🔥
Regarding memes, satires and stuff like that the thing is nothing is immune to these. And I mean nothing at all, especially on the Internet. There is always a group of people who's coping mechanisms with what they see, hear or perceive they'll rather choose to respond the issues at hand with humor over anything else including having a serious engaging discussion regarding the said issues. I mean people make memes out of 9/11 of all things... That alone showcases that not everyone will take everything seriously, not even about actual people dying as they will just make fun of that as well. Maybe a lack of empathy in general is also a contributing factor regarding the meme creators themselves.
At the same time however memes are not all bad as it potentially popularizes the main topic it makes fun of and as weird as this may sound gives people access to what they otherwise could have missed out entirely if it weren't for the said memes.
All in all just be happy that the message within 'This Is America' reaches the 'right' people who are willing to initiate, engage, discuss and introduce new ideas in order to make drastic changes in the land of the free.