Was the Conservative party right to get rid of Boris Johnson?
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- Times Radio weekend breakfast panel debate on whether ex-chancellor Nadhim Zahawi comments on Boris Johnson being the ‘most consequential leader since Thatcher’ is a true or false statement.
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Any tory who can't recognise how much of a liability Johnson was just demonstrates how poor their judgement is.
He was going to be subject to a recall election. He would be out no matter what.
Peppa Pig Johnson and Piggy Gate Cameron.
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But it was there belief he was a vote winner and would keep them there seats ..and that was all that mattered to them..him lying etc didn't matter to them..they kept saying he's apologised as if that puts it all right
For those of us who lost loved ones who we could not visit whilst Johnson partied the visceral hatred of this pathetic excuse for a human being is very real. Anyone failing to understand that and advocating for Johnson's return really don't have the first clue.
Sunak was partying too
What these comfortable talking heads who spend all day sitting around discussing what the tories could do to come back never seem to account for is the blind rage felt by so many people, even if everything suddenly went really well they're still going to be decimated at the election because we want our revenge
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I see this just as a symptom of nostalgia because so much is going wrong in the country and the conservative party.
The rot set in when Johnson became PM, he was so below what is needed in terms of moral character and competence to be PM that his departure and the state in which he left the country was entirely predictable.
Let's not forget, it wasn't a single issue that brought down Johnson, he just ran out of road. Even as his cabinet was resigning quicker than he could replace them he tried to cling on to power. Things would have got so much worse if he'd stayed on - we're just living through his legacy.
A grubby little man that symbolises how far Britain has fallen.
He lied in Parliament. Therefore should not be there ever again. Therefore cannot be a MP let alone PM. Therefore the Tories are immoral to even ask the question.
All Tories lie, it's the defining characteristic of the narcist party.
Rishi Sunak lies in parliament all the time
Wow, still people around who think Boris was the answer 😂😂😂
Far too many still!
Only if the question is "what's that whiff of incompetence, narcissism and Lynx Africa"
Getting rid of a compulsive liar and narcissist is absolutely the right thing to do . They were warned by numerous previous employers about his relationship with integrity and the truth.
To paraphrase one Tory, "But he'll win us the election."
Just goes to show how broken British politics is when they know full well it will lead to disaster for both the party and country further down the line, but they'll take that in return for short term electoral gain.
An overgrown schoolboy who was dead chuffed that he got to be head prefect 🙄
It was wrong for them, but right for the country.
Which is precisely why so many Tories are still struggling with the decision.
Nah, it was good for them because it gave them the opportunity to move on from him. Amazing that people don't seem to remember what it was like then. But the rot he'd started was already set in.
'Oops, what a silly mistake I've made. I forgot to pay £3.7 million in CGT!! Could happen to anyone.'
Yes, we've all done it 🙄
And then threaten Dan Neidle with a groundless SLAPPS for exposing it.
Totally by accident, of course.
Johnson, the most consequential liar and incompetent P.M. ever! 😅
I think little rishi is possibly going to win that title
The Australian lady is wrong on this occasion because Johnson was found to have lied to Parliament, he would have had to resign anyway. When the MP's sacked him it was because they knew he had completely messed up the running of No 10, it was an issue of competence not a political ousting. I think Boris knows more than anyone his problems were all self inflicted.
You can't keep someone on if they're hiring known sex offenders
He was a lying, cheating, self-serving corrupt politician, they are definitely missing him.
Trumpism uk style 😎
Zahawi showing why he, like many of his colleagues, were never fit to be MPs.
He was after a knighthood that went very wrong
Zahawi failed to declare his chairman role at ‘Le Cercle’, whilst aspiring as a uk mp. As did Rory Stewart.
@@lw1zfog zahawi is a proper wrong un most definitely In politics for self interest ..I keep repeatedly hearing there are some good uns amongst them..just one look at there voting history especially In regard to the welfare state you see exactly who's who
Even asking the question tells us all we need to know about the Tories' moral bankruptcy.
He couldn't effectively lead the Party. After the events of Partygate and Pincher a big enough majority of the MP's within the party wouldn't follow him and it doesn't matter how you dress it up, a Prime Minister's ability to govern stems from being able to lead his own party and if Boris Johnson were to come back neither he or his MP's would be able to trust each other again and it would collapse much quicker second time round.
a scandal about not reading the eu agreement which threw your fishmen under the bus with higher customs charges
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone who’s worked with Boris rate him as a good PM. What Zahawi & others mean is that he was a good campaigner to win elections. I think however, that’s been extinguished it the end - everyone fell for the hope & bluster & believed him. Most people just wouldn’t believe him now after Brexit, Covid, levelling up, the lies, contracts & scandals etc. Somehow, many Tories haven’t caught up with fact of how much many ordinary people absolutely loathe Boris out there & blame him for what’s gone wrong in last few years.
Are memories already fading?
If they had kept him on it would have triggered a constitutional crisis when the recommended suspension for lying came through.
If the HOC hadn't voted to suspend him because of perceived loyalty what state would the country be in now and would we even have a Parliament?
In reality the civil service run the country, so the loss of parliament would currently be a positive.
Due to the complete breakdown of cabinet appointments over the last 3 years the civil service have basically had to wing it. You can't have departments having several ministers in a year and expect any different.
YES TOTALLY CORRECT TO OUST BOJO. HE'S USELESS!!!!!!!!!
Any Tories that still back Boris, Brexit and or Liz the Lettice need to be bard from anything and everything, vote Labour get theses grifters out.
Suggestion: Vote tactically and get these grifters out
An 8 minute video built around a question with a simple answer of "Yes, next"
If the dog. Bites you once should it still be trusted. Don’t let them be your friend
No other course of action was credible .
The problem with the Australian journalist’s argument that Johnson should have stayed in power to defend himself in an election is that he followed May who had been deposed in exactly the same manner that he was.
The problem is she's Australian.
The problem with Boris Johnson was that he has no qualifications and no substance whatsoever. He makes lots of promises but he has never ever delivered on any of them. And no, he didn't get Brexit done either. More than four years later there are still tons of details that need to be sorted out. This has nothing to do with political ideologies, that can always be discussed. What Johnson lacks, is sheer competence. (So do Truss and Sunak and all the other prominent Tories but that's another matter.)
Many people were taken in by Boris Johnson's boasting but there's the old saying: You can fool all the people some time and you can fool some people all the time but you can't fool all the people all the time. By the time he was forced to resign, most people had realised he is all talk and no trousers. He was already way past his "best before" date and the only way from there was down.
Sorry but getting "brexit done" was leaving the EU, which we have done.
The reason why we are still in negotiations is purely because Johnson, under pressure from Farage and the ERG who had lent him their support, deselected anyone who wouldn't swear blind allegiance to a "hard brexit", which meant stone walling EU negotiations until the last minute and the most bare bones deal we could get that would avoid the complete chaos predicted in the Yellowhammer and Black Swan reports.
Massive deregulation, along with keeping the opaque tax avoidance routes offered by the City of London was at the core of what the Tory right wanted out of brexit, but that isn't compatible with what the EU would accept in a tarrif and quota deal from a large economy on their doorstep.
Public support for brexit would also collapse if the Tory right were to come clean about their plans for imposing their ideology of low tax, low regulation; slashing workers rights, food, environmental standards and letting the city play fast and loose.
The very reason we are still negotiating things like the Windsor framework and other tweaks is because the ERG and other headbangers expected Johnson to ditch everything he had signed up to, putting as much distance between the UK and the EU as possible.
To this day I'm not sure if Johnson was genuinely expected to be the ERG's champion or just a useful idiot.
If brexit is what you voted for, then you got what you asked for.
There's no test drive, no trial period when it comes to voting for major constitutional change.
Staggering that anyone, including rabid Tory's, are even thinking of asking this question. Mini Trump with none of his charm !
if you think Trump has charm then you have problems 😄
@@dibdab101 Sarcasm lost on you then ? 😀
@@edc8388 I have to admit I wasn't sure if you were kidding or not. My bad.
@@dibdab101 👍
😂😂😂😂😂 Bring back the bullshiter
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. This privileged public school boy with his falsely transcendent belief in his own ability & a remarkable willingness to walk away from the consequences of his actions without a thought of, or care for, the damage he has done to others should be forever held as a yardstick. A yardstick for having every belief & personal quality that should bar an individual from standing for public &/or political office.
A price should be paid, he was allowed to walk away essentially scot free & unbelievably Truss & Sunak built further on the misery, the Tories must pay it!
General election now!!!!!
Yes! now move on.
And tax dodger 😂😂😂
Ye, it was WhatsApp not electing a buffoon.
The fact he was ever considered to be a trustworthy competent leader of a political party is beyond shameful.
You could see the type of shallow, bullyboy person he was back in 2019.
You mean Boris "The Liar" Johnson ??? 😂
Clearly zaharwi has lost all perspective
Are people forgetting that his polling was extremely bad too?
Blair was easily the most consequential.
Iraq aside Blair is probably the best prime minister of the modern era...
Iraq was wrong. But Blair was a far better PM than those who followed him. Only idiots judge him merely on Iraq.
NO, they were not right to do what they did .
No politician should lie
Personally the woke blob has ruined this country, and hated Boris, and we are doomed with Starmer likely to be their puppet
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When they got rid of Boris they made them self unreliable
He resigned. They didn't kick him out.
He resigned due to pressure within his own party. A few weeks before hand he'd manage to hold off a rebellion from his MP's through a no confidence vote (and though they lost they weren't a small number). He then would later receive mass resignations from amongst the loyalists who supported him in the no confidence vote and had ministers (again from those who voted to keep him) to then publicly call on him resign.
From Boris Johnson's point of view over a third of his party voted for him to leave then about another third of his party who had kept him in power were openly rebelling and calling for him to resign.
He shouldn't have been anywhere near 10 Downing Street in the first place. Never mind bring him back.
It’s not WhatsApp or twitter, just don’t break the water, the NHS, schools and make people better off than when you started.
Zahawi should be in court. These people and the Times it seems are so out of touch with the public its like they live on another planet
After reading the comments on here. I feel that you people deserve Starmer. The man who was the head of the CPS an organisation that thought it wasn't "in the public interest" to prosecute Jimmy Savile. Well I feel you deserve him running the country, but me and my family don't deserve the mess he will bring.
I should be trudging out to re-elect Boris. As it is I’ll be staying home, just like I did in the Tees Valley Mayoral election.
I can't really believe that Zahawi's comment is being given any time or serious thought. SMH.
The man who has been sacked from every job he’s ever had, for lying, should never have been in any kind of public office to begin with. He should have been ousted much early, back off to his chums in Russia perhaps.
The Con Party didn't kick him out, he resigned in disgrace.
The fact that you're asking such a ridiculous question is a sad reflection on Times Radio
I could never find words to express how much i detest the Tory party and everything it stands for
Are you serious? Just the thumbnail title alone shows that it will take decades until England just wakes up to reality.
Lol, you already forgot how fuking toxic party gate was, this is hilarious
For a corrupt tax cheat like Zahawi to have an opinion debated is obscene, let alone the Times to give him a platform. It shows just howe low the Tories are that they believe a proven liar and cheat was their best leader. He has gone and should be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Must be the only sitting chancellor to be investigated by HMRC..you couldn't write it any worse then what it was
6:42, this lady is completely missing the point. The prime minister is determined by who can command the support or confidence of the majority of mps not voters. Tory mps selected Boris as their leader and they ultimately determined he should go.
Yes! He was never fit for the job.
Boris Johnson wasn’t fit to lead the way out of a paper bag
What a pathetic question!!
Johnson had to go, if we allow low standards in public life we will be going down the same road as America, Where they have someone like Trump with his very murky background that could well be the next president. This is applies to all our politicians from all side's , we mustn't normalize poor standard's from those that govern us.
Can not believe you are even talking about this . No wonder the country is in such a mess.
Boris should be in prison - like the rest of the Tories.
Its never wrong to oust a liar and a charlitan.
Why give Bojo the clown anymore airtime? Worst PM ever. Move on please.
Zahawi, Johnson these are just massive failures and yesterday’s men, the whole country has moved on from what these fools think or care about, good riddance
🥹😅😂🤣🥲 Boring Johnson is not missed 😂😂😂😂!!!!
Australia
Labor - rolled Kevin Rudd and Julia Gilliard
LNP - rolled Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull
Total Score - Labor 2 and LNP 2 - its a draw!
Liar Liar Liar!!!
People who do not believe in right and wrong, the rule of law and decency.
Both the Australian lady and Zahawi have no sense of morality
Give a thought to those of us who have lost brothers, sisters and family members during COVID and couldn't attend the funeral
They were wrong to ever choose him as fit for public office
Boris Johnson had the option to face the public in the Uxbridge by-election, he ran away. The man is a spineless self-serving weasel.
They didn't have a choice. His position was untenable. It wasn't going to get any more tenable. Some Conservatives seem to have forgotten this. Yes, the Tories did the regicide but only because the public couldn't stand any more of him. His goose was cooked either way and he only has himself to blame (only he won't, of course)
Not watched this yet. How many times is Jeremy Corbin mentioned? I reckon at least 3 times.
Why do we need a right wing australian to think Boris is ok. Is she Howard's daughter?
Yes. Hes an alcholic.
What's wrong with the idiots on this panel, they just can't believe/ accept that it's finally all over for their beloved Eton mafia
YES DEFFO
This lot have minds of goldfish, especially memories, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson wasn't back stabbed he was massively unpopular with the electorate and prob would have lost his seat in a recall election.
Is this a joke headline? He should never have been prime minister, he was only really for to be a janitor cleaning up kids puke.
I think Rishi Sunak may have done better if he was more connected with the public like Boris was. Rishi is not relatable in his words and showing.
Rishi should have in a clear way apologised for the experience that we have had under the conservative party and talked to the public about these things.
Oui, ooh, calm down brexiteers!
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Are you kidding? If you think that you should join Farage’s party.
You cannot have a Leader of a country that has such a low trust level!
Or no trust level
Why is a foreigner commenting on this?
it’s all they can find to fight that corner 😂
The host finds comments made by guests fascinating even tho they are factually incorrect? Are they any qualifications to be a Times journalist.?
Yes.
Next question - perhaps a harder one.
… why would you even still be talking about this.
Is Zahawi thick? Deluded? Or does he just not listen?
He's to busy scheming
He got rid of himself. Lying and lying and lying some more
Good god i am sick of right wing aussies getting a say in British media about british politics.
I am feeling sick 🤢!!!!
I liked boris
On the other hand, he, doesn't know, or care that you exist...
@@YUDNSAY 🤣🤣🤣🤣
No accounting for taste I guess.
Just out of curiosity, (hypothetically) would you trust him to competently run the company that pays your salary on which you were dependent to pay your mortgage?
@@Boghopper9999 yes I liked him as leader but that Me
@@Boghopper9999 Pushing it way, way too far....
Boris= The Real Barney Rubble! A joke, like Trump!
It's easy being a leader in opposition
We'll see how good he is in Government
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