The pet allegory with Debbie is a great one because, however you like to see it a human can have a pet like a cat or a dog and can truly love that pet, even considering it like a family member but even if that person truly loves that pet, it knows that it will outlive it and is far more stronger and smarter than the pet, even if truly want is the person could never see the pet as an equal besides Omni man was trying to convince himself as much as he was fighting mark that he was not changed on his time on earth
"You dad. I'd still have you." Shows why he's Invincible, not because of his powers but because of his spirit. Even after everything his father did, he still loved him and believed he'd be there for him 500 years from now. I like to think everything Nolan was saying to Mark is actually him trying to convince himself off what he's doing, not to convince Mark.
I think I heard that this exact thing was brought up later in the comics, that the fight and everything Nolan was saying was a constant internal struggle for him.
God the voice acting on this show is so perfect. I especially love Steven Yeun's "I don't give a *shit* about Viltram!"; the way he spits out the word just conveys such vitriol at the concept.
"I'd still have you" just wrecked me. It was worse somehow realizing a half second before he said it that it was the only thing he *could* say that was true I love how Black Samson kinda "tested" the Guardians bond, showing they'd fight for Rex like that. Nice to see a reactor "get" that right away without the comment section or chat having to help.
so many reactors got it wrong lol, but she got ti right. many reactors thought samson was scared of the others . like, how ? he got his powers back ... he could take them all if he wanted .
I like that throughout the entire episode and last, whenever Nolan is arguing why he has to do this to other people...he's also arguing with himself. He loves his life here, as short as it has been, and he's struggling to come to terms with the fact that he doesn't want to do it, but is so certain he has no other choice.
I love how layered the show is. It's easy to look at Nolan and be upset at him, but that's a little short-sighted considering his indoctrination and the length of time he's been alive. If you lived for thousands of years, conquering planet after planet, the whole time knowing the inevitability of Viltrum overthrowing this new planet and that the life you're living peacefully with Mark and Debbie will be just another forgotten footnote... it puts things into a different perspective we can't relate to, but can empathize with. It's not about Nolan's actions being "right" or "wrong", but about his pragmatism and there being no way to 'play house' any longer once Mark is discovered to be one of Nolan's people. It's the illusion being shattered. Nolan would have been much happier had Mark never developed powers. Throughout the episode (and the series), Nolan is shown to feel guilty about what he's doing, believing it's now an inevitability, battling his indoctrination with his feelings for Mark and Debbie. He throws out tons of qualifiers and disclaimers that he DOES love them, but Debbie--no matter what--will live a fraction of his lifetime, hence the 'pet' comment. He's preparing himself to do his duty. Sometimes people say nasty things because it's easier to cause a full break from someone and give them closure than it is to leave them with constant unanswered questions. Think of how'd you feel if the life you're living right now was one of a 100 you'd have and then look at how he answers the episode's questions. It's not really that much different than Nolan being a colonist and Earth being the early Native Americans. He tried to make a life, he tried to enjoy what time he could while always having in the back of his mind the notion that other colonists would come one day. That eventually, colonists would wipe out the Native American way of life and it was just borrowed time. He's seen it thousands of times before. Experience guides logic.
@@odinthorson1830 Thanks Odin, I appreciate that! The show really does Nolan a lot of justice, I just wish people tried a little harder to take it all in.
If you think about it, he’s probably never had anything close to the life he lead on Earth for those few short years. Lord knows what kinda childhood a person born on Viltrim has. Probably like Sparta or something. Then he went from genocide to genocide for 1000’s of years. This sending an officer to prepare a planet for conquest thing is new. This is probably the first time he’s ever had any kinda regular life. Probably has tons of kids he’s never met because I’m assuming their breeding programs don’t involve parenting as we know it. Probably just mated and went on to his next war. Never being able to raise a kid. I’m speculating but the point is, this 20 years was probably the best his life has ever been and it changed him.
@@Anubisblack so spoiler here: On viltrum, if you like a mate, you take it. Woman or man. If they get raped they assume they deserved it for being too weak to stop it. Usually, you pick someone "strong" so you can have strong children. Viltrum ain't like earth. I think super weak kids are killed immediately. Based on what thragg did on the bug planet they likely have nurseries, but after it becomes a toddler it has to be strong enough to not die to random viltrumite stuff by accident, then "teenagers" get sent into the field. If you die, you were too weak to live.
The Viltrimite purge montage shows that Viltrimites can die to something as strong or stronger than a Viltrimite. They're long lived, tough, and heal quickly - but not invincible or immortal. They're also not all equals by default - they can get stronger and tougher by pushing themselves, like Nolan said when they were flying over the desert. Mark *needs* to be pushed in order to get more powerful, so getting his butt kicked is kind of good for him. With Viltrimites, it really is 'that which doesn't kill you....'.
What Nolan told about Viltrum shows just how significant his change of heart is. Logically we can say that by removing the "weak", he wasn't talking about physical strength, but those who had empathy and couldn't kill others, including family and friends. All that would be left is psychopaths and sociopaths with no regard for the life of others or loved ones. I don't know how old Nolan is at this point, but considering how he looked in the flashback, it has probably been at least 1000 years of strengthening that attitude in him. He has killed countless beings without a care... and it was unraveled in 17 short years. Nolan is a terrible person, but I can understand just how strange of a Viltrumite he is... it is very much a "miracle" what happened.
It's one of the reasons why I was thinking that regardless of the anger and pain, Mark was still holding back. He may not be as powerful as Nolan, but if he wanted to, he could cause a world of pain on Nolan if he went all out.
@@Jason_N7 nah if anything Nolan is holding back. If he wanted to he could have killed him. This didn’t drain him physically as much as it drained him mentally. He beat mark black and blue while trying to convince mark and himself that humans are worthless and that he had not lingering attachments to the world. You gotta remember he sent mark across the city with one punch and he’s been shown to be fast enough to catch up to the flung mark. Only reason he’d think to do this is if he *knew* that viltrumites have the medical technology to help mark recover
@@ThyBait True, but still, Mark was conflicted the whole fight. He couldn't believe what he was hearing from Nolan, and feeling Nolan's actions. He was holding on to the hope that it was just all a sick joke. Nolan's powerful, but he took Mark's punch to the face like it was nothing... making it obvious Mark was holding back. Take note, Mark just took out an enchanced Hail Mary on his own.
just imagine how many times Superman has been punched away into buildings and streets and it doesnt show us the destruction and the many deaths he caused. this series show us everything and i like it cause its pure realistic
@@Ghostface4k In the comics 90% of the Doomsday fight takes place in sparsely populated areas far away from the city and it is an explicit priority of Superman to minimize civilian casualties. One of the things that makes the fight so compelling is Superman having to juggle between saving civilians and fighting Doomsday. A major part of the whole plot is keeping Doomsday *away* from cities. It's really only the last few minutes of the fight that take place in Metropolis and even then civilians casualties are minimized for 2 reasons: 1) Both combatants are so tired they're pretty much standing toe-to-toe and just trading punches. 2) Doomsday cannot fly, so although he's very strong, he's not really able to dictate _where_ the fight takes place and Superman can at least keep him semi-contained to the middle of the large streets. The biggest issue really is not the direct contact with civilians but rather the damage caused by the shockwaves generated every time they hit each other.
If Dragonball Z would have an R-rating. The Viltrumites are similar to Saiyans in DBZ. And Nolan is basically Vegeta back in his evil days, teaching his son Trunks how weak and fragile humans are compared to them. (Nolan is also if Goku didn't bump his head (lost his memory) and continue what he was ordered to do on invading the planet he was and so forth). In the Dragonball series there is so much destruction and human casualties, but you don't get to actually see all the gore behind that. And thats why you care less about it. This show just goes the Hardcore way, and i love it. We have enough Disney and Marvel stuff for kiddies these days.
20:04 I remember Eve said something along those lines about how if you're not expecting someone you know to be a superhero, even if there's an obvious resemblance, you wouldn't deem said person a superhero.
When anyone who has been Superman (Henry Cavill, Christopher Reeve, etc) would film Superman movies, they’d have to go to lunch in their costume that day. When they’d eat at nearby restaurants wearing the Superman costume, they’d get mobbed for autographs and photos. Whenever they’d go dressed as Clark Kent, they were virtually never bothered.
Man, knowing where the story goes in the comics... this is all such a good setup. I hope they're able to retain all the voice talent for future seasons. As strong and brutal as Omni-Man is, there are other beings out there who make him look like a child in comparison. They REALLY undersold Battle Beast's power for the show. He's unbelievably strong.
All those horrible things Nolan said, about Debbie, about Mark, even about Earth... I feel he was saying them more _for himself_ than for Mark, that he was trying to distance himself from the people and things he'd learned to love. Donald was right, in the end it was his blood that got him. This is why he was so upset when he learned Mark had powers; Debbie (and Mark) had made him go native; by that point he'd probably convinced himself that Mark wouldn't get powers, that he could essentially take an eighty or ninety year vacation before doing the job he'd come to Earth to do, that by that point, with Debbie and Mark dead of old age, he wouldn't have any ties to humanity and he'd be able to conquer Earth without remorse or regrets... but when Mark got powers suddenly he couldn't wait any longer; Mark would live thousands of years, so he couldn't wait for him to die, and now he had to train him and convince him before he became too powerful... or kill him, if he couldn't turn him. And, in the end, his ties to his family, and to Earth, were too strong, despite his efforts to break them, and he couldn't force himself to do it.
A part of the Omni Man tragedy is that he didn't believe the crap he was spewing. He was trying to convince himself as much as convincing Mark, and going to extremes to do that. How that will affect him would be interesting, if we ever see him again.
in the end debbie was the real hero. she infected omniman's mind with just enough human empathy to make it impossible for a born and bred alpha-level sociopath to complete his mission.
The MVP award in this goes to Debbie & Mark for humanizing Nolan. During Nolan's final battle with Mark, Nolan was yelling at Mark but trying to convince himself (IMO).
While watching that beating, I didn't feel like Nolan was going all out on Mark. Instead I felt like I was watching how a Viltrum parent spanks their child for being "naughty". As for Nolan comparing Debbie to a pet that didn't matter in the grand scheme. Nolan has the opposite viewpoint on things compared to Red Rush. Debbie's entire life must seem like a week to Nolan. From episode one - it seems deep down Nolan wished Mark was only human so he could wait until Debbie & Mark's old age deaths before conquering Earth.
At least Marks mom knew and had suspicions about Nolan for quite awhile. Mark had no clue what so ever until seeing him kill the immoral. 0 to 100 Nolan wanting to kill him, how messed up is Mark now.
So the cat guy is called Battle Beast, in the comics he's one of the most powerful beings in their universe. He went toe to toe with the leader (and most powerful) of the Viltrumites, and while he eventually lost, the battle lasted days and devastated a planet. I hope we see more of him in Season 2 and I'm wondering if they're gonna introduce the aforementioned leader of the Viltrumites at some point. And you also have some interesting ideas for where certain stories might be going for future seasons. As you said, seems unlikely Nolan would go back to Viltrum after abandoning his post, since he'd be seen as weak for leaving, and him going out in search of another race to help protect Earth would be a good way to begin some sort of redemption arc. Of course at this point it's all just speculation, so we'll have to wait and see.
I've read and heard the story retold at SDCC that whenever Christopher Reeve showed up somewhere in his Superman costume he was mobbed but when he was just himself dressed in his own everyday Chris wear nobody seemed to recognize him.
This episode was so heartbreaking for Mark and his mom I can't imagine how he felt all those words Nolan was saying and calling Debbie a pet are you for real you have to be beyond heartless to call you're wife or GF a pet. Mark needed his friends I'm glad they showed up to help him I can only imagine how the second season will go hope we see more of Allen loved him.
@@lilblock3564 people getting upset about his phrasing, while correct that it's cold, are failing to realize the accuracy behind it. Omni-man will and has lived for thousands of years longer than a human. His lifespan is comparable (barely) to a humans in comparison to cat or a dog. Even having a reptile or bird as a pet doesn't really compare to the difference between a Viltrumite and a Human.
*"WHAT will u have after 500 years?!"* "... Monster Girl, The Immortal, Damien Darkblood, Robot, Rick the Cyborg, possibly Allen & MachineHead, and you Dad."
If you really think about everything Nolan was saying during the fight with Mark, it's clear he was trying to convince himself as much, or even more, than Mark.
6:13 It's always that "PET" Word that shocks people when they hear it, but realistically comparing Nolans lifespan with a human life the way we humans compare our lifespan to say a pet like a dog or a cat, it's not that unreasonable of a comparison for him at all.
25:38 I always read Sampson's jab at Rex of "we haven't earned it yet" is him testing the team. He 100% thinks it's time to wash the blood off too, but he has to be sure the team is solid... if that makes sense.
The comics are absolutely worth a read while you wait for Season 2. The show's main plot covers roughly issues 1 - 13 with a few stories pulled from later on (Robot becoming Rudy and Titan becoming the boss are both from the early 30s). There are 144 issues of Invincible (as well as spin-off comics). There is still A LOT of story to go!
Omni man was heavily holding back during this fight. They get stronger as they age and Noland is thousands of years old. Although hybrid viltrimites do develop faster as far as strength once they get their powers (but it involves getting their ass kicked non-stop to get there)
What a great finale! Bring on season 2! Really enjoyed all your reactions to this show. Excellent editing too! I feel like I'm using too many exclamation points! Oh well. Here's some more!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve watched a lot of shows in the past couple of years… Both animated and live action… And I’ve heard a lot of things. Seen a lot of great lines written out. But I don’t think anything quite compares to that one. “You dad… I’d still have you.” is Quite possibly one of the greatest written lines I’ve ever seen. Even after everything Nolan said about Debbie, his friends, and his family- Mark loves him. And that HUMAN LOVE is the only thing that stopped Nolan. We spent two whole episodes showing you that anything you throw at him, he can overpower. He can physically fight just about anything. But Nolan couldn’t fight *that*… This is why Mark is Invincible. It’s his heart- and his spirit. The show gets more and more amazing every time I’ve seen it. So glad to have watched along with you for this ride!
'Ctrl F - Amber' 'Not Found' Really? I guess people are over her now, but I still don't think they should have gotten back together🤣 This was such a great episode. The series as a whole was a breath of fresh air and I'm glad season 2 is a go!
Love your reactions. From the moment I saw you were watching this show, I couldn't wait to see your reaction to this finale episode. Was worth the wait.
I knew this episode would really get to you. When he says “you dad, I’ll still have you”, that one hits right in the feels. My favorite part when William says “Omneeeee” when Amber is at the door also 😂.
I'm amazed that no Superhero movie hadn't acknowledged the damage Superheros do and how insurance companies would react.Evertime Superman gets into a fight,alot of buildings and property gets destroyed.
Great reaction. I honestly don't know how Mark is up and walking around after experiencing that kind of trauma. That's the kind of thing that would put most people in the mental hospital.
I just recently subscribed and just binged all your invincible reactions, and they are excellent. Even the ideas you had that didn't own out were interesting, and I really enjoy your reaction style. I liked pretty much all the changes they made from the comics, but the right with the guardians was my favorite. Omniman wipes them out without breaking a sweat in the comics, and this version works better because, if he can kill the world's most powerful team without damage, how are they a threat and why bother?
14:18 "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonaide. Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these?"
The train scene kind of traumatized me the first time I saw it. I paused the show for maybe 10 while minutes asking myself "what the heck am I seeing right now!!!" But I've seen it so many times now that I think I've become desensitized to the scene
imagine noland as a child, watching his parents and granparents being exterminated due to weakness. He's not being a dick to mark, but hes def trauma dumping. to be fair, only mark could somewhat compare to noland. Fight ur fam, ur country, ur wife. if u dont u all die. gotta be strong to save the weak. u can see nolands blood shot eyes. he was honestly hoping his son wouldnt be a viltormite. not bc the challenge, bc nolands already done what mark will have to do.
I can't blame Cecil for wanting Mark to be Earth's protector that soon. Cecil is responsible for protecting the whole planet and he knows its defense is currently weakened. I understand Mark should have time to process, but evil won't give a shit. To anybody who wants to take Earth over, this is the perfect time to strike.
After each of these reactions, there are normally a few points that people are discussing, and I'll leave an exhausting, loquacious comment that touches on each one, usually filled with any swears and bad jokes that I can fit in so it's not completely awful to read, hopefully.. This episode, the only thing I can ever focus on is that damn subway scene. Yo. That is fucking gnarly. That's something that you see happening first, then you realize what's happening second. Even animated, it's like you can feel the realization wash over you. Suck a butt, _The Boys._ Lol, jeez. I loved the reaction, thanks for sharing it.
I thought omniman was going to bring back a bunch of people from viltrim back to earth, a group of supermen coming to earth to take it over... i'm pretty sure
Notice how omniman chose to let mark live rather than follow orders and kill him? What do you think his people will do to him when he return emptyhanded?
season 2 coming up soon, also atom eve is the strongest hero she could beat anyone specially after she unlocks her mental lock to control all atoms including living ones and not just inanimate ones
I think one of the things to appreciate about Rex is that he said he never went to school, add to that being the equivalent of a child/teen actor superstar, and a lot of the things that make him an asshole make sense.
When it comes to the Potrayal of Collateral Damage in this episode,I always felt that this is what Zack Snyder wanted to be able to do with the DC Superheroes but couldn't since it was owned by WB and had to marketed to the biggest Audience available,forcing Man of Steel's Final Battle between Zod and Superman to feel gratuitous but also not willing to go far enough to show the true depths of cruelty someone like Zod/Omni Man would sink too.
The sad things is Mark was right Nolan just didn't want to accept it, his love for his new life and his family, and another terrifying fact is....there are at least 6 more Viltrumites even stronger than he is, the three at the end of the Flashback make up three of them
This was an emotionally wrenching episode. I did wonder, though, Iam still not satisfied that I know why Nolan killed the guardians at that point. I know it was part of the Viltrulmite mission statement. But I also know that a side character who appeared in the cold opnes is related to it and that I really thought part of Nolan's issue was he was hoping Marc would never get powers because he'd gotten comfortable. And the big mission would manifest somewhere else.
I didn’t even think of that! I just assumed that it was Alan, but damn I didn’t think it would be Omni man and him not knowing who it is that just makes him so incredibly brave
@@funnylilgalreacts right? The nightmare fuel alone after that train. And Cicel saying " someone from deep space approaching " my heart would be in my stomach.
I may be in the minority here but I empathize totally with Nolan. It's easy to sympathise with Mark and humanities PoV simply due to the show being from their perspective, Nolan is 1000s of years old, indoctrinated into a fascist society where strength above all matters, he came to earth where the population is akin to cows and dogs to us humans, hence the refering to Debbie as a pet (she lives for what is akin to a year of Nolans life span, so she is a pet which he does love) He even delayed "uplifting" the planet until he was sure Mark was like him... So much of Nolans thoughts and feelings are just not shown throughout the show until the last episode where he has committed to seeing his plan though. I just find it's too easy for ppl to just say Nolan Bad (;_;)
Debbie and Nolan (!) are both right about time and its impact on people. It is the innocence and perspective of youth that remind us that people matter and extreme longevity / Immortality blurs everything because you've seen it all and everything "turns to ash". This thought is explained more clearly than me from a "nice" immortal in Babylon 5: ua-cam.com/video/0OI4kah6Rp4/v-deo.html
The business about the Guardians getting there late: if they had gotten there during the fight, Omni-Man would've just killed them all. They had to hold off until the fight had moved on, and they could start to pick up the pieces.
The pet allegory with Debbie is a great one because, however you like to see it a human can have a pet like a cat or a dog and can truly love that pet, even considering it like a family member but even if that person truly loves that pet, it knows that it will outlive it and is far more stronger and smarter than the pet, even if truly want is the person could never see the pet as an equal besides Omni man was trying to convince himself as much as he was fighting mark that he was not changed on his time on earth
Well, there is another facet to it too. The comics reveal he calls her pet in another sense too
@@bradleybarnett1469 bowm chika bawa cream to the pie, Mark's siblings went down the throat that's why he's an only child
Whoa! Never thought like that. Great insight!
And it is very realistic to call her his pet.
and just like me Nolan makes love to his pets❤️☺️
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"You dad. I'd still have you." Shows why he's Invincible, not because of his powers but because of his spirit. Even after everything his father did, he still loved him and believed he'd be there for him 500 years from now. I like to think everything Nolan was saying to Mark is actually him trying to convince himself off what he's doing, not to convince Mark.
I think I heard that this exact thing was brought up later in the comics, that the fight and everything Nolan was saying was a constant internal struggle for him.
Even if true that still doesn't justify what omni man did
@@aaronatkinson177 Funny. They acknowledged this exact fact in the comics.
It blows me away that somehow this like... Exact comment is on every episode 8 reaction or clip of invincible
That line hit Nolan harder than any punch he threw at him
God the voice acting on this show is so perfect. I especially love Steven Yeun's "I don't give a *shit* about Viltram!"; the way he spits out the word just conveys such vitriol at the concept.
"I'd still have you" just wrecked me. It was worse somehow realizing a half second before he said it that it was the only thing he *could* say that was true
I love how Black Samson kinda "tested" the Guardians bond, showing they'd fight for Rex like that. Nice to see a reactor "get" that right away without the comment section or chat having to help.
so many reactors got it wrong lol, but she got ti right. many reactors thought samson was scared of the others . like, how ? he got his powers back ... he could take them all if he wanted .
I like that throughout the entire episode and last, whenever Nolan is arguing why he has to do this to other people...he's also arguing with himself. He loves his life here, as short as it has been, and he's struggling to come to terms with the fact that he doesn't want to do it, but is so certain he has no other choice.
I love how layered the show is. It's easy to look at Nolan and be upset at him, but that's a little short-sighted considering his indoctrination and the length of time he's been alive. If you lived for thousands of years, conquering planet after planet, the whole time knowing the inevitability of Viltrum overthrowing this new planet and that the life you're living peacefully with Mark and Debbie will be just another forgotten footnote... it puts things into a different perspective we can't relate to, but can empathize with. It's not about Nolan's actions being "right" or "wrong", but about his pragmatism and there being no way to 'play house' any longer once Mark is discovered to be one of Nolan's people. It's the illusion being shattered. Nolan would have been much happier had Mark never developed powers. Throughout the episode (and the series), Nolan is shown to feel guilty about what he's doing, believing it's now an inevitability, battling his indoctrination with his feelings for Mark and Debbie. He throws out tons of qualifiers and disclaimers that he DOES love them, but Debbie--no matter what--will live a fraction of his lifetime, hence the 'pet' comment. He's preparing himself to do his duty. Sometimes people say nasty things because it's easier to cause a full break from someone and give them closure than it is to leave them with constant unanswered questions. Think of how'd you feel if the life you're living right now was one of a 100 you'd have and then look at how he answers the episode's questions.
It's not really that much different than Nolan being a colonist and Earth being the early Native Americans. He tried to make a life, he tried to enjoy what time he could while always having in the back of his mind the notion that other colonists would come one day. That eventually, colonists would wipe out the Native American way of life and it was just borrowed time. He's seen it thousands of times before. Experience guides logic.
Best summation of Nolan I've read. Very well written.
@@odinthorson1830 Thanks Odin, I appreciate that! The show really does Nolan a lot of justice, I just wish people tried a little harder to take it all in.
If you think about it, he’s probably never had anything close to the life he lead on Earth for those few short years. Lord knows what kinda childhood a person born on Viltrim has. Probably like Sparta or something. Then he went from genocide to genocide for 1000’s of years. This sending an officer to prepare a planet for conquest thing is new. This is probably the first time he’s ever had any kinda regular life. Probably has tons of kids he’s never met because I’m assuming their breeding programs don’t involve parenting as we know it. Probably just mated and went on to his next war. Never being able to raise a kid. I’m speculating but the point is, this 20 years was probably the best his life has ever been and it changed him.
Beautiful analysis of Nolan. One of my favorite characters from the show and the comics.
@@Anubisblack so spoiler here:
On viltrum, if you like a mate, you take it. Woman or man. If they get raped they assume they deserved it for being too weak to stop it. Usually, you pick someone "strong" so you can have strong children. Viltrum ain't like earth. I think super weak kids are killed immediately. Based on what thragg did on the bug planet they likely have nurseries, but after it becomes a toddler it has to be strong enough to not die to random viltrumite stuff by accident, then "teenagers" get sent into the field. If you die, you were too weak to live.
The Viltrimite purge montage shows that Viltrimites can die to something as strong or stronger than a Viltrimite. They're long lived, tough, and heal quickly - but not invincible or immortal. They're also not all equals by default - they can get stronger and tougher by pushing themselves, like Nolan said when they were flying over the desert. Mark *needs* to be pushed in order to get more powerful, so getting his butt kicked is kind of good for him. With Viltrimites, it really is 'that which doesn't kill you....'.
What Nolan told about Viltrum shows just how significant his change of heart is.
Logically we can say that by removing the "weak", he wasn't talking about physical strength, but those who had empathy and couldn't kill others, including family and friends. All that would be left is psychopaths and sociopaths with no regard for the life of others or loved ones.
I don't know how old Nolan is at this point, but considering how he looked in the flashback, it has probably been at least 1000 years of strengthening that attitude in him. He has killed countless beings without a care... and it was unraveled in 17 short years.
Nolan is a terrible person, but I can understand just how strange of a Viltrumite he is... it is very much a "miracle" what happened.
“You, dad. I’d still have you.” Absolutely destroyed me. After all of it, Mark still loves his dad.
Great reaction as always!
It's one of the reasons why I was thinking that regardless of the anger and pain, Mark was still holding back. He may not be as powerful as Nolan, but if he wanted to, he could cause a world of pain on Nolan if he went all out.
@@Jason_N7 No, he is too young but after thousands of years Mark will become the strongest viltrumite
my dad is a narcissistic
piece of shit and i have literally been in that spot
@@Jason_N7 nah if anything Nolan is holding back. If he wanted to he could have killed him. This didn’t drain him physically as much as it drained him mentally. He beat mark black and blue while trying to convince mark and himself that humans are worthless and that he had not lingering attachments to the world.
You gotta remember he sent mark across the city with one punch and he’s been shown to be fast enough to catch up to the flung mark. Only reason he’d think to do this is if he *knew* that viltrumites have the medical technology to help mark recover
@@ThyBait True, but still, Mark was conflicted the whole fight. He couldn't believe what he was hearing from Nolan, and feeling Nolan's actions. He was holding on to the hope that it was just all a sick joke.
Nolan's powerful, but he took Mark's punch to the face like it was nothing... making it obvious Mark was holding back.
Take note, Mark just took out an enchanced Hail Mary on his own.
just imagine how many times Superman has been punched away into buildings and streets and it doesnt show us the destruction and the many deaths he caused. this series show us everything and i like it cause its pure realistic
Just imagine the realistic destruction in the fight against Doomsday...
@@Ghostface4k In the comics 90% of the Doomsday fight takes place in sparsely populated areas far away from the city and it is an explicit priority of Superman to minimize civilian casualties.
One of the things that makes the fight so compelling is Superman having to juggle between saving civilians and fighting Doomsday. A major part of the whole plot is keeping Doomsday *away* from cities.
It's really only the last few minutes of the fight that take place in Metropolis and even then civilians casualties are minimized for 2 reasons:
1) Both combatants are so tired they're pretty much standing toe-to-toe and just trading punches.
2) Doomsday cannot fly, so although he's very strong, he's not really able to dictate _where_ the fight takes place and Superman can at least keep him semi-contained to the middle of the large streets.
The biggest issue really is not the direct contact with civilians but rather the damage caused by the shockwaves generated every time they hit each other.
If Dragonball Z would have an R-rating. The Viltrumites are similar to Saiyans in DBZ. And Nolan is basically Vegeta back in his evil days, teaching his son Trunks how weak and fragile humans are compared to them. (Nolan is also if Goku didn't bump his head (lost his memory) and continue what he was ordered to do on invading the planet he was and so forth). In the Dragonball series there is so much destruction and human casualties, but you don't get to actually see all the gore behind that. And thats why you care less about it. This show just goes the Hardcore way, and i love it. We have enough Disney and Marvel stuff for kiddies these days.
...Nolan fan, eh?
Then man of steel came out and showed us and people hated it...
Spiderman movie series: We have intense train scenes
Invincible show: Hold my son...
The voice acting from Steven Yeun & JK Simmons in the finale was incredible.
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I remember Eve said something along those lines about how if you're not expecting someone you know to be a superhero, even if there's an obvious resemblance, you wouldn't deem said person a superhero.
When anyone who has been Superman (Henry Cavill, Christopher Reeve, etc) would film Superman movies, they’d have to go to lunch in their costume that day. When they’d eat at nearby restaurants wearing the Superman costume, they’d get mobbed for autographs and photos. Whenever they’d go dressed as Clark Kent, they were virtually never bothered.
Man, knowing where the story goes in the comics... this is all such a good setup. I hope they're able to retain all the voice talent for future seasons. As strong and brutal as Omni-Man is, there are other beings out there who make him look like a child in comparison. They REALLY undersold Battle Beast's power for the show. He's unbelievably strong.
Robot didn't become a person. He was always a person. He just put a copy of his mind in a new body.
All those horrible things Nolan said, about Debbie, about Mark, even about Earth... I feel he was saying them more _for himself_ than for Mark, that he was trying to distance himself from the people and things he'd learned to love. Donald was right, in the end it was his blood that got him.
This is why he was so upset when he learned Mark had powers; Debbie (and Mark) had made him go native; by that point he'd probably convinced himself that Mark wouldn't get powers, that he could essentially take an eighty or ninety year vacation before doing the job he'd come to Earth to do, that by that point, with Debbie and Mark dead of old age, he wouldn't have any ties to humanity and he'd be able to conquer Earth without remorse or regrets... but when Mark got powers suddenly he couldn't wait any longer; Mark would live thousands of years, so he couldn't wait for him to die, and now he had to train him and convince him before he became too powerful... or kill him, if he couldn't turn him.
And, in the end, his ties to his family, and to Earth, were too strong, despite his efforts to break them, and he couldn't force himself to do it.
19:46. It's the Clark Kent effect. Henry Cavill stood next to a Superman poster in times square and no one noticed him.
A part of the Omni Man tragedy is that he didn't believe the crap he was spewing. He was trying to convince himself as much as convincing Mark, and going to extremes to do that.
How that will affect him would be interesting, if we ever see him again.
in the end debbie was the real hero. she infected omniman's mind with just enough human empathy to make it impossible for a born and bred alpha-level sociopath to complete his mission.
The MVP award in this goes to Debbie & Mark for humanizing Nolan. During Nolan's final battle with Mark, Nolan was yelling at Mark but trying to convince himself (IMO).
While watching that beating, I didn't feel like Nolan was going all out on Mark. Instead I felt like I was watching how a Viltrum parent spanks their child for being "naughty".
As for Nolan comparing Debbie to a pet that didn't matter in the grand scheme. Nolan has the opposite viewpoint on things compared to Red Rush. Debbie's entire life must seem like a week to Nolan. From episode one - it seems deep down Nolan wished Mark was only human so he could wait until Debbie & Mark's old age deaths before conquering Earth.
At least Marks mom knew and had suspicions about Nolan for quite awhile. Mark had no clue what so ever until seeing him kill the immoral. 0 to 100 Nolan wanting to kill him, how messed up is Mark now.
So the cat guy is called Battle Beast, in the comics he's one of the most powerful beings in their universe.
He went toe to toe with the leader (and most powerful) of the Viltrumites, and while he eventually lost, the battle lasted days and devastated a planet.
I hope we see more of him in Season 2 and I'm wondering if they're gonna introduce the aforementioned leader of the Viltrumites at some point.
And you also have some interesting ideas for where certain stories might be going for future seasons.
As you said, seems unlikely Nolan would go back to Viltrum after abandoning his post, since he'd be seen as weak for leaving, and him going out in search of another race to help protect Earth would be a good way to begin some sort of redemption arc.
Of course at this point it's all just speculation, so we'll have to wait and see.
The fight between Invincible and Omni Man was so emotional and gritty.
This is still one of the greatest finales in TV history
It'll only get more intense
I've read and heard the story retold at SDCC that whenever Christopher Reeve showed up somewhere in his Superman costume he was mobbed but when he was just himself dressed in his own everyday Chris wear nobody seemed to recognize him.
This show is honestly one of the most brutal shows I’ve ever seen…AND I LOVE IT😭😭😭 it’s so sad tho at the same time🥲
This episode was so heartbreaking for Mark and his mom I can't imagine how he felt all those words Nolan was saying and calling Debbie a pet are you for real you have to be beyond heartless to call you're wife or GF a pet. Mark needed his friends I'm glad they showed up to help him I can only imagine how the second season will go hope we see more of Allen loved him.
I mean she kind of is
@@lilblock3564 people getting upset about his phrasing, while correct that it's cold, are failing to realize the accuracy behind it.
Omni-man will and has lived for thousands of years longer than a human. His lifespan is comparable (barely) to a humans in comparison to cat or a dog.
Even having a reptile or bird as a pet doesn't really compare to the difference between a Viltrumite and a Human.
I mean, Nolan really didn't consider Debbie as a wife to begin with, or that he just used said line to mind-break Mark.
@@lilblock3564 ?
@@XiaoyuuuYT I like to think he did care after that flashback.
Start of the episode... Mark being strong enough talk.
Oh sad days... sad sad days, LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!!
[Solo]
Even with watching reactions, hearing
Mark say "I'll still have you" crushes my soul.
I've cried a few times watching that part.
[Solo]
*"WHAT will u have after 500 years?!"*
"... Monster Girl, The Immortal, Damien Darkblood, Robot, Rick the Cyborg, possibly Allen & MachineHead, and you Dad."
Man, that scene made me tear up.
Been waiting for this reaction all week and it didn't disappoint. Love your reactions
If you really think about everything Nolan was saying during the fight with Mark, it's clear he was trying to convince himself as much, or even more, than Mark.
6:13 It's always that "PET" Word that shocks people when they hear it, but realistically comparing Nolans lifespan with a human life the way we humans compare our lifespan to say a pet like a dog or a cat, it's not that unreasonable of a comparison for him at all.
It shocking to people since I’d imagine you don’t have a child with your “pet”
@@SebTheGreat84 late but, people have tried.... lol
25:38 I always read Sampson's jab at Rex of "we haven't earned it yet" is him testing the team. He 100% thinks it's time to wash the blood off too, but he has to be sure the team is solid... if that makes sense.
The comics are absolutely worth a read while you wait for Season 2. The show's main plot covers roughly issues 1 - 13 with a few stories pulled from later on (Robot becoming Rudy and Titan becoming the boss are both from the early 30s).
There are 144 issues of Invincible (as well as spin-off comics). There is still A LOT of story to go!
Omni man was heavily holding back during this fight. They get stronger as they age and Noland is thousands of years old. Although hybrid viltrimites do develop faster as far as strength once they get their powers (but it involves getting their ass kicked non-stop to get there)
What a great finale! Bring on season 2!
Really enjoyed all your reactions to this show. Excellent editing too!
I feel like I'm using too many exclamation points! Oh well. Here's some more!!!!!!!!!!
That look you made when Nolan said "She's more like a pet to me" .... ouch!
Your reaction to Omni man saying that Debbie is a pet had me rolling on the ground.😂😂😂😂
EVE:Hey mark, want to go eat somewhere?
MARK: yeah, where?
EVE: Subway!
MARK: 👀 (Vietnam War Flashbacks)
I’ve watched a lot of shows in the past couple of years… Both animated and live action… And I’ve heard a lot of things. Seen a lot of great lines written out. But I don’t think anything quite compares to that one. “You dad… I’d still have you.” is Quite possibly one of the greatest written lines I’ve ever seen. Even after everything Nolan said about Debbie, his friends, and his family- Mark loves him.
And that HUMAN LOVE is the only thing that stopped Nolan. We spent two whole episodes showing you that anything you throw at him, he can overpower. He can physically fight just about anything.
But Nolan couldn’t fight *that*…
This is why Mark is Invincible. It’s his heart- and his spirit. The show gets more and more amazing every time I’ve seen it. So glad to have watched along with you for this ride!
I watched your Peacemaker reaction, and now this. You, funny gal, have earned a sub!
'Ctrl F - Amber'
'Not Found'
Really? I guess people are over her now, but I still don't think they should have gotten back together🤣
This was such a great episode. The series as a whole was a breath of fresh air and I'm glad season 2 is a go!
Love your reactions. From the moment I saw you were watching this show, I couldn't wait to see your reaction to this finale episode. Was worth the wait.
I knew this episode would really get to you. When he says “you dad, I’ll still have you”, that one hits right in the feels. My favorite part when William says “Omneeeee” when Amber is at the door also 😂.
loved this show when it came out, can’t wait for season 2
I'm amazed that no Superhero movie hadn't acknowledged the damage Superheros do and how insurance companies would react.Evertime Superman gets into a fight,alot of buildings and property gets destroyed.
What an amazing finale. See you for season 2!
Great reaction. I honestly don't know how Mark is up and walking around after experiencing that kind of trauma. That's the kind of thing that would put most people in the mental hospital.
That train sequence is the most traumatising thing I've seen animated, and I've seen what Shou Tucker from Full Metal Alchemist did.
This
Has become a regular part of my Tuesday
Anger and passion on your face ☺️
It was great watching you meet Omniman in episode 1 and then really meet him in this episode.
Omniman was not fighting with his full power. He would've turned Marks' head into mulch.
Very rough episode to watch but still very enjoyable. My heart broke for Debbie. This finale was beyond epic and I cannot wait for season2!
Oh yeah been waiting for this! Awesome as always!
I just recently subscribed and just binged all your invincible reactions, and they are excellent. Even the ideas you had that didn't own out were interesting, and I really enjoy your reaction style. I liked pretty much all the changes they made from the comics, but the right with the guardians was my favorite. Omniman wipes them out without breaking a sweat in the comics, and this version works better because, if he can kill the world's most powerful team without damage, how are they a threat and why bother?
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"Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonaide. Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these?"
14:36 wow you actually held it together better than i thought you would...
Early notification squad reporting in ✨ and yesss this is just the break I needed from editing, cheers 💕
The train scene kind of traumatized me the first time I saw it. I paused the show for maybe 10 while minutes asking myself "what the heck am I seeing right now!!!" But I've seen it so many times now that I think I've become desensitized to the scene
*This fight was on the smaller scale in comparison as to what’s to come*
Let's goooooo I'm so ready for this episode. Such a great and devastating episode
Damage Control. That’s the name of the government run cleanup crew in the MCU. They do other things as well but cleanup is their primary function.
imagine noland as a child, watching his parents and granparents being exterminated due to weakness. He's not being a dick to mark, but hes def trauma dumping. to be fair, only mark could somewhat compare to noland. Fight ur fam, ur country, ur wife. if u dont u all die. gotta be strong to save the weak. u can see nolands blood shot eyes. he was honestly hoping his son wouldnt be a viltormite. not bc the challenge, bc nolands already done what mark will have to do.
The extermination happened before he was born
The teal kid sounds like Little Cato from Final Space.
That subway scene is one of the most haunting pieces of animation I've ever seen.
I can't blame Cecil for wanting Mark to be Earth's protector that soon. Cecil is responsible for protecting the whole planet and he knows its defense is currently weakened. I understand Mark should have time to process, but evil won't give a shit. To anybody who wants to take Earth over, this is the perfect time to strike.
After each of these reactions, there are normally a few points that people are discussing, and I'll leave an exhausting, loquacious comment that touches on each one, usually filled with any swears and bad jokes that I can fit in so it's not completely awful to read, hopefully..
This episode, the only thing I can ever focus on is that damn subway scene. Yo. That is fucking gnarly. That's something that you see happening first, then you realize what's happening second. Even animated, it's like you can feel the realization wash over you. Suck a butt, _The Boys._ Lol, jeez.
I loved the reaction, thanks for sharing it.
Mark is like a baby compared to Nolan, Viltrumites gets stronger as they age.
17:22 - that was legit
If the Guardians had shown up to save those people where Nolan threw Mark, Nolan would have just killed them all like he did the original Guardians.
I thought omniman was going to bring back a bunch of people from viltrim back to earth, a group of supermen coming to earth to take it over... i'm pretty sure
Great Reaction as always.
Notice how omniman chose to let mark live rather than follow orders and kill him? What do you think his people will do to him when he return emptyhanded?
Yeah they definitely don't show this kind of stuff in marvel or DC and that train scene was brutal 😅
The guardians probably waited for Nolan and Mark to leave the city to help as they would have been caught up in the fight
Awesome reactions for the show.. damn I was more emotional seeing you react then when I saw this myself. Remember Our Flag Means Death!!
I understand why Nolan considers Debbie as a pet...but I can't wrap my brain around someone mating with their pet🤣
season 2 coming up soon, also atom eve is the strongest hero she could beat anyone specially after she unlocks her mental lock to control all atoms including living ones and not just inanimate ones
I think one of the things to appreciate about Rex is that he said he never went to school, add to that being the equivalent of a child/teen actor superstar, and a lot of the things that make him an asshole make sense.
Unfortunately, no time for comments this tiem... so... engagement simulated... Great reaction. :)
When it comes to the Potrayal of Collateral Damage in this episode,I always felt that this is what Zack Snyder wanted to be able to do with the DC Superheroes but couldn't since it was owned by WB and had to marketed to the biggest Audience available,forcing Man of Steel's Final Battle between Zod and Superman to feel gratuitous but also not willing to go far enough to show the true depths of cruelty someone like Zod/Omni Man would sink too.
The sad things is Mark was right Nolan just didn't want to accept it, his love for his new life and his family, and another terrifying fact is....there are at least 6 more Viltrumites even stronger than he is, the three at the end of the Flashback make up three of them
I hope you get back into Invincible. Season 2 was incredible.
Season 2 is on the channel
@@funnylilgalreacts oh awesome! Don't know how I didn't see it 😂
Here we go! This episode was harrowing!
Cant wait for your sandman series reaction! 😊
This was an emotionally wrenching episode.
I did wonder, though, Iam still not satisfied that I know why Nolan killed the guardians at that point. I know it was part of the Viltrulmite mission statement. But I also know that a side character who appeared in the cold opnes is related to it and that I really thought part of Nolan's issue was he was hoping Marc would never get powers because he'd gotten comfortable. And the big mission would manifest somewhere else.
credit to mark tho. after that beat down to still be brave enough to fly up not knowing if it's his dad again.
I didn’t even think of that! I just assumed that it was Alan, but damn I didn’t think it would be Omni man and him not knowing who it is that just makes him so incredibly brave
@@funnylilgalreacts right? The nightmare fuel alone after that train. And Cicel saying " someone from deep space approaching " my heart would be in my stomach.
I think we really need a Deb/Nolan flash-back on how they met
living 1000 years you would literally see empires rise and fall
I may be in the minority here but I empathize totally with Nolan. It's easy to sympathise with Mark and humanities PoV simply due to the show being from their perspective,
Nolan is 1000s of years old, indoctrinated into a fascist society where strength above all matters, he came to earth where the population is akin to cows and dogs to us humans, hence the refering to Debbie as a pet (she lives for what is akin to a year of Nolans life span, so she is a pet which he does love)
He even delayed "uplifting" the planet until he was sure Mark was like him...
So much of Nolans thoughts and feelings are just not shown throughout the show until the last episode where he has committed to seeing his plan though.
I just find it's too easy for ppl to just say Nolan Bad (;_;)
That man is beyond black Air Force energy
Episode 1: I will train you
Episode 8: I will 'train' you. 😏😏
It's funny that the show respects real life routine of person finding their partner by image of their parent. Amber and Debbie are very similar )).
24:50 thats where blood was the answer
I’m pretty sure the pilots are aware they are probably going to die everyday🤣🤣🤣
Debbie and Nolan (!) are both right about time and its impact on people. It is the innocence and perspective of youth that remind us that people matter and extreme longevity / Immortality blurs everything because you've seen it all and everything "turns to ash". This thought is explained more clearly than me from a "nice" immortal in Babylon 5:
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The business about the Guardians getting there late: if they had gotten there during the fight, Omni-Man would've just killed them all. They had to hold off until the fight had moved on, and they could start to pick up the pieces.
when they got mark's blood, they should ask the mauler twins to make a Viltrumite Clone.
But if Robot's brain blew out the system, what would Mark's physiology do?
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