F is for Family Bach 16

[@theBigA1992]

Still can't believe, Frank went through all of that. Just to find out that his father's dying words, was a song request?

[@garylevine3521]

Why? It’s part of the moral of the season. Frank wants to add so much more to his dad but the reality is he was just some fucked up guy who had him. He can’t keep clinging to this and needs to move on before he becomes his dad.

[@cyrilfiggis6627]

@CRAM MARC Oh my lord, I'm so sorry your Dad said that to you...I hope you're in a better place now, with people who are supporting you. ❤

[@theBigA1992]

@@garylevine3521 You know, Frank was hoping to it would lead to his father apologizing, for all the harassment and verbal and emotional abuse he had put him through his whole life. Same thing happened to me, after my father committed suicide, where I asked ma if he left a suicide note that would having him apologizing for all those years of harassment, insults, verbal and emotional abuse, and apathy he has put not only me, but the rest of the family, and for also taking our loyalty and tolerance for granted. I still can’t that I wasted my life, having to put up and be the “lil’ buddy” to such an obnoxious insufferable cretin as my father. Which is why I often empathize with Frank Murphy, and he and his family deserve a better and happier ending.

[@garylevine3521]

@@theBigA1992 I can understand your personal experiences, but this isn’t about getting that closure. Although Frank and Big Bill kinda got it.
Life doesn’t give you closure, that’s what movies do.

[@predalien1413]

Fucked up hardly, he was just like any other human during their time. Frank merely came to a conclusion that allows him to bury him. Which is indeed the best thing.

[@MoonLoonie69]

Re-watching the episode of Big Bill's funeral, they were playing Bach 16. Guess the ol' bastard got what he wanted.

[@NewPaulActs17]

wait, they were? i thought this was a plothole all year. i guess big bill told his buddies about bach 16, but not frank (until it was too late)

[@darkhair476]

Frank didn’t get the emotional payoff he wanted with his Dad; that he thought would emotionally heal him. Instead he got the perspective he needed to be a better Father for his family.

[@m9tarnowski]

The use of that semicolon is wrong - the second segment isn't gramatically correct on its own as it's missing a subject (yes, one can work out that you have "the emotional payoff" in mind, but on its own the segment doesn't make sense if you read it again). To fix it you could say: "the one that he thought would emotionally heal him" or "he thought it would emotionally heal him". I'm not sure but I think a comma would also suffice, but definitely not a semicolon as it currently stands. I hope this helps you in some way! :)

[@BigRedHeadPhones]

@@m9tarnowski
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[@Noobclock666]

At least he punched him in public.

[@shadowknight1121]

“Merry Christmas dad, we’re done.”
Powerfully sad.

[@ianrobetson2606]

2:08

[@painthegreat]

"How hard is it not being an asshole to your kid?"
"Well you're at a bar drinking on Christmas, so you tell me?"
Damn that right there 👏

[@matthewcardoza1190]

Still doesn’t excuse Frank’s father for being an asshole to his son AND his wife, nor does it excuse his denial of doing it later on, or his bullshit reasons for doing it in the first place.
Hell, He didn’t even admit his wrongdoings, much less feel remorse for What he’d done until the very end, and even then, he never properly apologized to his son.
Frank may be massively flawed and more similar to his father than he’d like to admit, but he does continually try and make an effort to be better for the sake of his family, even if it doesn’t always work out. Also, he never stops trying, no matter what.
And while Big Bill had a point about Frank drinking at the bar on Christmas, I feel
Like he made too many excuses for Frank’s father.
How hard is it to knock some sense into your friend and say “look, I know being a father isn’t easy, and you have no idea what you’re doing; hell, NO ONE knows how to be a parent the first
time around. You’re literally piecing things together as you go along.
But really, beating up your kid with a crutch to the point of putting him In the hospital and doing the same to your wife; making him walk home from his school play, all while publicly humiliating him and calling him a girl; treating your family like the shit under your shoes, and for what?
Just cause your sales are going lousy, and you hate how your life is going? That’s pretty pathetic, to be honest.”

[@painthegreat]

@@matthewcardoza1190 oh I’m no way excusing his father, that man was shitty down to the core and you’re right big bill could have said at any point that line to franks as a dad but no he didn’t.
What I got from the line “well you’re at a bar on Christmas drinking” that was his friends way of saying “don’t be like your dad.” But unlike his dad, yes, Frank MADE the effort to be better, he MADE the effort to do right by his family, even when it took a nose dive. Frank may never see it, but we see it

[@matthewcardoza1190]

@@painthegreat Huh; never saw it that way. Good observation; maybe THAT’s what Big Bill meant!
And regarding your words about Frank, you’re absolutely right! And it is because of those efforts that Frank always has, and always will be a FAR better man than his father could ever to be.
For all his flaws, Frank genuinely loves Sue and his kids; he just has a hard
Time showing Emotions in general, thanks to his upbringing.

[@NewPaulActs17]

@@matthewcardoza1190 i think frank murphy would be good friends with hank hill

[@silverstrike5904]

@@NewPaulActs17 maybe

[@loganisnotawake]

this scene is absolutely underrated and beautiful. the subversion of box 16 meaning something completely different, that closure isn’t something you can search for, dying last words aren’t always a clue for a mystery that needs to be pursued to find said closure. the dialogue feels so natural as well, when frank says ‘how hard is it to not be an asshole to your kids?’ he didn’t connect the dots that he was turning into what he loathed the most; that through his pursuit of something that may have just been a song his dad liked he found something real that it took so much to find where it was hidden all along. it almost reminds me of free churro from bojack horseman, where he spends the whole episode under the impression that his mother had this final, profound thing to say to him before her passing, but it ended up just being her noting ‘ICU’, the intensive care unit she was held in. i think it serves a larger message; victims of abuse NEED that closure, that reinforcement that no matter how horrible their parents were to them, there was a reason, that they actually did love their kid and just acted cold or distant out of fear, but that energy being focused on the past dooms those around you in the present

[@stephenking5852]

It’s like in Bojack Horseman, when Beatrice supposed said, “I see you,” to Bojack, but she actually said I.C.U. for Intensive Care Unit.

[@garylevine3521]

Frank’s complexity addiction and never my fault attitude are the worst parts of him, which is what he learns this season and I really enjoy it.
Dick’s a good friend to Big Bill.

[@justnoel4088]

I think for BoJack and Frank, it's also the fact that these things were said as their parents last words before passing. It adds this sense that in their last moments, they were trying to reach out and say something meaningful to their offspring one last time.

[@ShaDHP23]

I know how that goes. I know I'll never get closer. My mom and dad were petty and masochist and won't ever admit it. It's better to walk on forward than line in the past.

[@thatoneguy6165]

"He wasn't all bad. He just didn't know how to be a Dad."
That piece of dialogue firmly sums up so many Father-Son relationships. When you're a child, whether you love them or completely despise them, you view your parents as deities, who have the answers to everything in life. Maturity and eventual adulthood arrive when you realize and accept that, all along, they were just people. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@skyofthelivingdead]

Sums up my relationship with my mom. She wasn’t even out of her teens when I was born, but I didn’t realize until adulthood that she isn’t and never was a bad person, she just had no idea how to be a mother.

[@lucialopez7153]

Yes..we learn as we go..looking back now we realize it
And we try our best not to do what they did to us,to our kids

[@vexxama]

I used to resent my dad for his shortcomings. Then I realise I’m at the age when he had me, and I’m nowhere near perfect. If I had myself as a dad I’d do much worse. He figured it out as he went and made mistakes, but he brought me up and I’ve grown to respect all he went through

[@YM-pe2ul]

oh shit. Like you had a bad experience as well. Happens

[@EpicFableBean]

to bad that doesnt apply to fucking parents.

[@AK-lw2jw]

This scene has one of the best takeaways from the show. You don’t always get to have closure just because you want it. All Frank did was make his family suffer by dedicating all his effort and time into trying to get closure by attempting to decipher what turned out to be nothing more than an old inside joke, not the unsaid apology for wasted years that Frank was hoping to hear.
The only closure he could get was the closure he received after saying goodbye at his dad’s grave, when he finally came to terms with the fact that there was nothing to be misunderstood about his dad; he died being the same person he always was, and that no amount of wishful thinking would ever change how Frank would remember him now that he was gone. Even if there was something his dad left unsaid, it’ll now remain that way forever.
All that was left to do was for Frank to accept that, and then move on to try and become the Father he never had.

[@jordanloux3883]

Really gets to the heart of the show. No point staying hung up on what used to be. The world changes and things are gonna keep changing, so you gotta learn to change with them.

[@lotusgal313]

To quote Bart Simpson “this cycle of jerks has to end”

[@jasoncross5831]

The subversion of Bach 16 is great and all, but there still was the box 16 at the bowling alley. Kind of a big coincidence.

[@thomascholowsky1236]

Maybe it was both? Perhaps Big Bill wanted Frank to find box 16 to play Bach 16 at his funeral. It's a bit of a stretch but possible.

[@salsamancer]

Maybe Bill chose 16 because of his favorite music. It's not a stretch.

[@NewPaulActs17]

@@salsamancer i mean i like number 17, heck i even gave you your 17th like

[@danatedawg1018]

He chose that locker cause of Bach 16 probably

[@TheJacksontoy]

The way I saw it. Bill’s friend mentioning Bach 16 was meant to make his last words a mystery more than anything. Maybe he meant “Box 16” or maybe he meant “Bach 16”, who knows?
In the end though, the overall point was it didn’t matter what he meant. Frank shouldn’t have been neglecting his family the way he was in either case.

[@stebopign]

atleast frank found peace at the end. alot of people found peace at the end.

[@darkwoods1224]

Dick is such an underrated character.

[@jacksonroberts9276]

I can’t take him seriously with those eyebrows

[@darkwoods1224]

@@jacksonroberts9276 Haha yeah I think that's partly why I find him funny, also his voice, always found those NE accents kinda funny.

[@SpectacularDisaster]

This show seriously dosn't get enough love

[@knuclear200x]

The fact that it's not even on television is likely the reason. Comedy Central aired the first season and never again...i think. the best we can do is discover it ourselves or thank the person who introduced it

[@soulsearcher117]

The father wasn't really being selfish at the time of death, how would you make words that explain the reason why you were abusive towards your offspring for almost 20 years in a few seconds?

[@mariomanningfan]

But from Frank's perspective, it was selfish. Remember the season opens with Frank in a daydream where he and his dad finally had a relationship. Frank thought Bill owed him that moment, or at least some dying words of encouragement/love. Even if he'd lived, Bill probably had none to give and there still would've been no fishing trip. But after a lifetime of abuse and neglect, its hard to blame a son for expecting some act of contrition.

[@jenniv7818]

I think the point of the song request is to remember bills childhood. If you look at frank his father hit him because of the music he heard. Frank would yell at kevin for listening to his music. Bill’s father probably did the same thing to him. The same mistakes being repeated through the generations.

[@patrickzalatoris3206]

@@jenniv7818 always a cycle, maybe there was more to it, bach is classical music, maybe big bill had a thing for the classical music from bach, but then his dad was possibly a much meaner drunk and beat him for playing it, after that, big bill stopped playing that stuff all together, except from hearing it again from the white house beer jingle

[@jumentogenial-oi2oo]

I like to think that by Big Bill seeing the song Bach 16 as a source of laughter at his own funeral, maybe he meant "don't cry for me"

[@vitorcosta2416]

I Love this series, kinda sad it ended, but that's the magic. It's not like Simpsons or Family Guy full of randomness, famous actors and crazy plots, F is for family is simply a guy on a journey, nothing big and out of the extraordinary, and that's the beauty in my opinion.

[@VecTron5]

It's a rarity for something to be popular enough to run its course. Doubly so for it to not to continue trundling downhill afterwards.

[@leonnoel9661]

1:29 That comment just hit Frank really hard. Like Father Pat said earlier in the series, Frank could live with that hatred forever or forgive his dad and move on... Talk about a wake-up call on Sawitzki's part.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

I learned that lesson myself a year ago, as much abuse as my stepfather put me through, having that hate fester within me only rotted my soul and it wasn't worth it, so I forgive him, moved on and purged every bit of love I had for him. now I simply feel nothing for him, not love, not hate, just nothing but it's freeing, he's no longer controlling how I feel, he's no longer in my life, I haven't even said a word to him since April 2nd, 2023.

[@somethingnotinteresting]

​@@AbrasiousProductions Congrats on moving on

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@somethingnotinteresting thank you❣

[@jongallardo8006]

Show was amazing. Had moments that had me laughing my ass off and then moments like these that just punch you in the gut. That sums up life to me I think

[@sixkicksfightertricks949]

I thought Murphy said fox 16. And thought he wanted Frank to watch fox news on channel 16. But this makes more sense.

[@CorentinLeman]

I wish that Beatrice (the nurse that big Bill was confessing to before he died), told Frank about their conversation, so that Frank would have at least known that his father finally realized what he had done...

[@EJAXK13]

Why do I get the feeling that in the future, Kevin would probably do the same thing.

[@jumentogenial-oi2oo]

I don't think, Kevin has a realistic development throughout the show, forgiving his father and going back, but in the end I think Kevin managed to break the cycle, Kevin changed in the end and left some of his anger aside, perhaps because he was dating that girl with a psychologist father.

[@aydenkaszas]

Im not sure if this was meant to be the very last episode of this show, but it does well enough to resolve things and bring Frank's character arc to a close.

[@patrickzalatoris3206]

writers said they wouldve gone as long as they could depending on how many seasons netflix wanted, unfortunately 5 was the number. I wouldve loved to have much more, maybe see frank bowl since we only found out in season 4 he was a fan of bowling, and damn good at it too, maybe see a relationship between bill and rosies daughter, kevin trying to get alices dads trust again, maureen spending time with the baby, more rosie and pogo antics, unfortunately this was the end

[@Channel-uc6kp]

Cartoons my escape from reality and enter into a dream world. Lowers your blood pressure and keeps your mind healthy and happy. Please make a million cartoons

[@orangehunter8457]

Isn't that the logo for Total gasoline station?

[@velikan420]

Why do you keep commenting this on every F is for Family clip lmao

[@salsamancer]

@@velikan420 probably a bot farming engagement

[@anxboxharddrive9348]

YT should do something against bitches like this bot

[@Gemosiku]

Just had a second watch of this show. Beautifully written, especially this ending. Reading y’all comments and analysis about this ending/show was really nice.
I really hope they put out another season or 2. But if it really ends with season 5, it was a good way to end to this memorable series.

[@quadabyte8933]

This entire season was the same plot as the "Free Churro" episode of bojack horseman.

[@rafaelcastor2089]

Eh... Not really. Only this plot.
Not that Bojack is the first one to ever have it either, although it *is* pretty suspect considering context

[@archaicrapture]

NOPE. Vast differences. There's a grey area somewhere or nuances.

[@jasonkarger81]

Biggest crime that they ended this show. Had so many good seasons left in it

[@uncriticomasdelmonton9106]

Cómo lo sabes?

[@carlopannone5281]

You know if I’m correct I remember hearing big bills last words being BOX..16.

[@therealsapdad1942]

Could've been "Bach's 16"

[@carlopannone5281]

@@therealsapdad1942 coincidence

[@car4367]

This scene uses that orangish sunset which is always in
Many of the emotional scenes with frank and his dad

[@Death_true]

I think big bill really did want him to find box 16 maybe play the song too but primarily find the box so Frank could learn what gives a man purpose

[@URProductions]

Cassette tapes are a little anachronistic for the early '70s. Yes they existed, but from what I know they were almost exclusively used for recording until the '80s.

[@darkotarantino3861]

What? Bro how old are you? 16? I'm a 90s kid and I remember using them!

[@URProductions]

@@darkotarantino3861 I'm 36, I rocked cassettes on my Walkman all throughout the '90's.
I'm talking about the early '70s bro.

[@henryhammond7393]

The meaning of Box 16 or Bach’s 16 is left wonderfully ambiguous… teaching Frank that nothing specific matters… I think…

[@ianrobetson2606]

2:02 I knew that song had end it when Frank drops away the tape.

[@thomaswillans4085]

This is profound in it's way

[@hartshowalter3646]

He Won

[@silkyv758]

Suck that the show ended

[@marlom7882]

Tell me about it

[@youraveragejoe2]

Glad it did and not stretched out

[@theoneman2084]

@@youraveragejoe2 Absolutely fucking agree!

[@youraveragejoe2]

@@theoneman2084 yeah.

[@GatorJax-ed3os]

Agree it sucks it ended. But it ended while it was still good. Not many shows can say. They always a last season or two were they completely fall apart

[@kaiumeda3690]

1:26 YOU SPENT 4+ seasons verbal abusing your kids and Sue and then you expect them to forgive you?! I wouldn’t forgive my father if he left me to die in a pool for 2 minutes!! You’re even worse than your father: Sue and the kids didn’t deserve you at all

[@ryandujumbomammutuseafrica9674]

Yeah and he said he’s gonna be a better dad and husband but he’s still the same hothead impulsive asshole he always been.

[@thomasalvarez4117]

That is true ,but at least he didn’t physically abuse them like Frank dad

[@kaiumeda3690]

@@thomasalvarez4117 need I remind you that he slammed Kevin on his car window after Bill made fun of him

[@thomasalvarez4117]

@@kaiumeda3690 I guess but that was only one time , yes frank is not the best , but at least he doesn’t hit them all the time

[@ryandujumbomammutuseafrica9674]

@@thomasalvarez4117 he hits Bill every time he cuss while he damn well know he got that from Frank.

[@ginafesta9340]

It reallyshow that frank wasalmost turning into his fathertil he change that

[@rougeagent3603]

Beautiful piece of music though

[@uncriticomasdelmonton9106]

Ho yes

[@greygremlin1248]

He just didn't know how to be a dad.
I hate that saying. NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO BE A PARENT

[@ElJorro]

But we do know how not to be a jerk.

[@mathieuleader8601]

this ia great twist

[@josefinahirschfeld7980]

Is a great twist that also was forshadow at EP1S5 if you really pay close attetion at the funeral where everyone is talking about william, but the music and the fact is going fast make it hard to hear it.
Time stamp for the moment stars at like 13:59

[@scottzchannel2463]

His great grandfather is the real cause for all this for abusing his father.

[@Scntint_Bing]

Its 2 months later this video is put up

[@NFSMAN50]

1:28 the irony of this statement lol.
Frank was no better than his own dad, with how he always threatened to put his sons through a wall and roughing them up.

[@jumentogenial-oi2oo]

I think big bill wins at least frank didn't beat his kids all the time and in such a serious way

[@georgesimpson6483]

2:03

[@mr.l8723]

A whole season of nothing

[@brianjohnson2240]

The show was really depressing and not that good it had moments but overall just anger and hate wasn’t fun

[@gamacichi]

Sometimes watching shows with depressing subject matter can be very cathartic

[@h3ck774]

We get it you grew up in a household opposite to this so you can’t find humor in it

[@georgesimpson6483]

2:04

[@georgesimpson6483]

2:02