Shooting the NEW Win&Win META DX Riser & MXT-10 Limbs | Tuning and Shooting 70m with the 2021 W&W
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2020
- I tune and shoot at 70m with the 2021 Win & Win lineup, the META DX riser and MXT-10 Foam Limbs. I love the feel of the bow and despite having some tuning issues I still shoot a halfway decent score at 70 meters.
I forgot to shoot the bow through a chronograph as the tune was still off. I will fix that first before giving data on that one. However the draw weight needed for that tune ended up being 46.3 lbs. (basically the same as all my other setups)
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Looking forward to hearing your evaluation of the setup shooting as barebow.
Great stuff, Jake. Love the shooting/reviews videos
Thanks for the review Jake! Waiting for my Meta DX to come in now
Really nice review ... love to see your approach to an unknown new setup and make it working for you out on 70m. Very well done.
Thanks Jake, I am really enjoying your videos, I guess you are really one of the good guys!😊
Love to see product releases that push tech forward in a meaningful way... these are the types of product releases that light a fire under R&D departments across the industry. For brands to survive and not be left behind they have to innovate which results in massive wins for the archery community at large. I am excited to see how this gear is received and how it may impact/influence future riser and limb releases, both from W&W and their competitors. Really exciting stuff!
Sweet sounding bow . As usual great review
Seeing you with a FITA rig in your hands I can tell I'm watching a truly skilled athlete. I really enjoy the commitment and follow through on 70 meter hang times.....90 meters too. Thanks for keeping up the videos. What a challenging year....ugh.
Jake, I have loved your re-entry into shooting, I have seen your entry into barebow which is what I do , I have been shooting without supervision since I was 12, but was taught by Rube Powell for a while at the start of my archery, it is good to see your honest day to day progress. I learn valuable info from your videos and that helps me get closer to being better, thanks for your work. Bert S
I would love to see a video on 'vibration'. It isn't something I've consciously taken any notice of previously, as I've focused more on stability and smoothness of the bow through the clicker.
I think a potential problem for many of us, is not having shot enough bows to know what good/bad levels of vibration are.
You've mentioned a few things that can be done to tune out vibration in your other videos, (ie tiller) and so it would be great to have a video explaining how to detect vibration, what the different types of vibration are, what causes it (ie setup, bad shot, etc) and how to tune it out, would be an excellent advanced tuning video to add to your channel.
I love your channel and its definitely the best archery resource out there today.
One thing I have to say Jake, you have a beautiful shooting ground, it must be really peaceful shooting there!
Thanks for the review, very informative, now I know what I want to upgrade to :-)
Hi Jake 50 degrees over here in England is called a heat wave, ha,ha.
As a Canadian, last month I was shooting my Recurve in 2C weather. Lol
I'm in Idaho and when its not freezing or below, I'm like "This is shooting weather."
And how good does that set up look! I know I should be thinking performance, feel, balance etc, but damn it's a great looking bow... even in beige!!!
Great product review
Super shooting bro
Great video! I especially like your insights into your thought processes when you're shooting.
It would be really interesting if you tried these limbs on metal risers (such as the ATF and the Gillo GT) to see how free of vibration they are when not mounted on the new riser.
Planning on it for barebow on my ATF-X
I had similar issues with tuning, the nocking point was indicated to be really low even at about 12mm above centre. I dropped ¾ turn on the bottom limb and it sorted out great. Take care and good shooting.
The vibrational dampers are technically not legal for barebow, but if you look at the Spigarrelli Revolution 2, that had inbuilt dampening, and is a very much designed for barebow and is barebow legal.
I’m sure I’m the only weirdo in the world who loves to hear the sound of a bow at release. I was told in Japanese folklore, the sound of the bow is used to drive away evil spirits (I’m not into superstition).
Side thought: I’m sure I “need to shoot +20,000 shots before becoming decent & sensitive to the bow”; but, in high speed, the arrow leave the bow long before the vibration effect the shots, so I’m not concern over vibration? Maybe I’ll feel different after I gain more experience.
The riser & limbs has THE LOOK..... I NEED that bow but don’t have the 💸💸💸. My AXT is in perfect condition, it doesn’t need replacing; but, the CXT & Meta......😭😭😭. My wallet is crying.
The vibrations might fatigue the body faster, as the muscles would try to work against each "pulse".
It's OK, you are not the only weirdo that lovest the sound of the bowstring, every archetr does!
Regarding the need for a new bow, I could say that you don't need a new bow, and no new bow will help you shoot any better, but that would be sheer hypocricy! At the moment, I am getting all hot and bothered over the Fivics Titan EX! 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Not sold yet and already the new META! :D
Thanks for the detailed review imo.. since you are reviewing the whole package.. i was wondering would the riser feel or give the same feeling & feedback if shot using other type of limbs?.. good to know the dampers are practical & give quite significant feel to the riser.. thanks Jake! 👍👍👍
Very nice bow.
Looks good. You asked about bow feedback. I like my bow to feel very dead - kind of difficult at my draw weight - but I have 10 inch top and bottom rods, a 6 inch V-bar extender, 12 inch twins and a 30 inch long rod. But yes, when it's a good shot, it does feel clean, there's really no other word for it. If I pluck it, it buzzes, it drops if I forward release and it feels heavy in the follow-through. The bow gives no feedback for exploding or collapsing, but my shoulders certainly do. Interestingly, I've shot a WIN&WIN 27" carbon fibre riser with my Border Hex 7.5's and no matter what I do, the high frequency shock hurts my bow wrist and elbow within 6 arrows, and within a dozen, my shoulder is on fire. I don't get that with the WIN&WIN limbs. With the Spigarrelli Revolution riser, the WIN&WIN limbs feel very good indeed, but the Border limbs are so much quieter and give no buzz at all, even without stabilisers. It's weird. Definitely prefer using an aluminium riser to carbon fibre.
In terms of feedback, for fun rather than scoring, I like shooting the short WIN&WIN limbs with a short Spigarrelli Revolution riser at a 30½" draw length using a Mongolian style release. No feedback whatsoever. None. Nothing. I like it, but even the slightest variation and it punishes you in terms of where the arrow goes, but you cannot tell at all whether it's a good shot or a bad shot from the bow feedback, you have to go on what your body tells you and what the bow does in the follow through. A good shot feels super clean, but so does a really awful one, certainly a lot cleaner than using a Mediterranean release.
I enjoyed this video
Have tried to make a bow work with wrong knocking point myself led to tears and tantrums . Can't believe you don't make your own strings ! Look forward to seeing if that wait comes off
Really informative video, thanks for taking the time to post!
Did you put it through the chronograph later? The meta DX limbs are clearly a bit slower than the Uukha evo 2 at the same tune, but it would be interesting to know by how much. In this video, at 30m you averaged 203.7 fps. A chronograph near the bow would give a speed about 2-5 fps higher as the arrow hasn't yet lost speed due to drag. In your second to last end with the Uukha (the one before the camera died, at the 2nd highest weight), you averaged 206fps with the bareshafts and 204 fps with the fletched ones at 30m.
Hey Jake, love your channel for the technique vids and reviews. Did you ever get a chance to revisit this setup with a new string with proper nock position? How would you compare this setup to the Hoyt Xceed with bamboo Velos limbs you reviewed in the other video for barebow and for olympic setups?
Looks like a great bow. Would you normally fit a new string and nocking point as part of your setting up Jake? Enjoyed the explanations! Thanks Jake!
Wow Jake! When you released shots that you felt weren’t so great they were landing in the 10!
I just wish my - aww! 🤦♂️ Shoot! - shots were so lousy! 😉😂🤣
BB 🐓 trying hard to be 🍗 dinner! Who gives their chicken an Indian name?!? 👍🏽
I like this video I enjoy it
Jake, great to watch you shoot. The ground has a gradient left to right.Does it bother you at all?
Watching that final(?) End, around 35:20 in to the video - you're looking distinctly shaky, (but hitting 10s, nevertheless). I'm curious as to the bow weight you're pulling, but much more interested in watching your form, and thinking about your mindset and your technique (all dimensions of it, not least tuning) while you talk through each shot. These are great videos.
Max temperature today in my part of England was 3.0C /37.4 F.
Please don't bleat about the cold in FLA until the oranges are freezing on the trees, like they did in (I think) early 1982 😀
Great review Jake ,I'm hanging out and hoping and praying that those limbs will come out as an xl version,to compete against the xl Velos limbs that Hoyt have just released onto the market ,at a 32 inch draw I need a 72 inch bow to make it work for me 🏹😁
I'll put in a word to the powers that be.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery that would be awesome lol 😂 I'm kinda hoping it's already something that the guys at win win are considering
Fingers crossed 😁🏹
Great review of the Meta DX. I remember you said that you would love to be able to shoot this riser for barebow, in my research it seems like the Meta DX is barebow legal.
Would you use this as your main riser for barebow? Why/why not?
What is your opinion between the limbs smoothness? If you have the Mxt-10 vs Velos? Very interesting channel! 🙏😊
Nice videos, I like to watch it! by the way, my limbs are supposed to come from win & win, only that they are sold under the name Kinetik, do you know the brand Kinetic? my limbs are calling Kinetic Vaultage, and I own the 44" version...They are made from carbon / foam, and the are working very well, but Im just a beginner, so whats your opinion?
The bow looks beautiful, what have you done to them handgrip, and please, do the bow a favour and make it some new strings! 😊😊😊👍🇬🇧
Hi Jake ... I prefer a dead feel to the rise a la GMX/Exceed .. not a fan of wiawis risers due to their reflex geometry BUT I agree I like to get feedback from the set up when i screw a shot .. My best set up so far is Hoyt EXCEED riser mid verta tune with Wiswis MXT limbs and the plate on the riser set at smooth . Wonderful heavy dead feel on a great short and some buzz on poor shot
plus you say faster - ie higher hit point for same OTF #??? If so what are you comparing to ? The MXT or the NS ?
I recently happened upon your channel and I have been binging your content since. I noticed that in all your other videos your back elbow was always solid and never saw it shake once. In every shot with this bow, you seemed to be fighting to get through the clicker. Were you just tired this day or was it something about the bow?
How do these limbs compare to last years mxt’s?
Could u make a device that could measure the limb flex at full draw to prove stability of limbs at full draw
Is the curve on these limbs more than the ns,,same as say the uuhka's you shot??
for you which riser is better; xi 2020 or META DX RISER
Is the adjustment on the limb bolts just 2 up and 2 down from the mid setting, like other win win risers?
Win&Win should make a hunting bow of this riser and limbs combined. Just need a 17" version of this riser.
Me in a small minority probably is i like having little feedback in a bow when im shooting. (My recurve is almost full carbon setup). Just to my tastes it feels amazing when i do a good shot because like you mentioned it feels very clean. But also to me when i have a bad shot because there is no feeback it magnifies the error from my form cuz i can feel it more (like in the bow arm if i was to jump my arm forward) However ive only been shooting a couple of years so my taste might be wrong 😅
Maybe the vertical issues are due to the thickened fadeouts ? shortening the effective limb length // concerns me theoretically that reducing the total limb flex may alter performance .. in the good old days on longbow they learned that flex right through to the centre of the handle was a good thing and bows were tillered "full compass" .. just a thought .
They do not change how the limb flexes as the wedge that is built into the limbs in-between the cores end right where the damper deal does. Vertical issues are not from that at all. I used to shoot a 27" riser and short limbs at a 28.5-29" draw length and shot my higher scores with that combo during my career.
I think less flex is better, as the weather and temperature changes there is less material that is doing the work so less of it gets affected by the changes in temp. Thats my .02
For testing stability, would something like a Mantis allow you to measure or at least track it? The amount of float, measured by distance from center, or the amount of time before settling into the shot?
Probably yeah. Id like to some day.
i rlly gotta know how this bow compares to the atf -x and hoyt xceed riser
🎶 All I want for Christmas is.. 🎶 😏
Hi jack , I had a long term doubt and this is the write time to ask and clarify with you I believe ,,, what is your major reason to switch from Hoyt to W&W?, really this change helps you?
Watch the last stream, he answers your question there :)
Everytime I think about a new bow, I immediately discount the carbon riser, for no good reason other than I once got a shard from an all carbon arrow in my finger!
Am I entirely wrong, or has there ever been a case of a carbon riser shattering?
How would compare these limbs to the Uukhas?
Do you have to walk away sometimes. Even though you are adept at tuning. I get frustrated sometimes and have to take a time out and mill it in my head relaxed and doing other things.
I like
Sir, do you have a used and recurve riser?
Have we learned if this riser is legal for BAREBOW?
With regard to evaluating your holding pattern; have you tried a Mantis X8?
I have not. One day I would like to.
I'm curious as to what your brace height ending up at. I bought these limbs and am having difficulty with where the brace height should be. Thanks.
My riser is a 25" Hoyt Alero. Thanks.
I run 22.5cm or 8.858”
ATFX IS BETTER OR META DX IS BETTER PLEASE TELL I WANT TO BUY!! I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED PLEASE SOLVE MY PROBLEM??
it looks definately better than the radical pro haha. inno CXT with holes
Will you be back to olympics
you missed the chicken... *giggle*
Are you still shooting barebow?
Yes, just re-fletched some arrows for it.
Anyone else wondering what the chicken's name is?
The black/grey one is BuckBeak
A little speed wobble in your elbow at the release
I want HOyt bow bro
Does that chicken has a name? :D
3D ;)
Winner! Winner! 🐓 Dinner!
disturbing you might be shooting in high heels Jake!
My feet are rarely on camera...
@@JakeKaminskiArchery ... when we get back indoors, would you be willing to shoot in fluffy bunny slippers at vegas to prank the archery community? ;o)
"I'm Jake Kaminski. stability is always important on the archery field ... thats why I shoot in fluffy bunny slippers!!
No whining please be happy.
Lol really stiff 7in left bare shaft, just setup my first recurve and my bare shafts are 3.5ft left 31in 550spine arrow 110gr point 37.5lb same with 600spine 30in with 110gr
@Butt of Lewis 30.5in dl form is good, clearance, alignment and centre shot are set correctly and was shooting with a coach during these results
@Butt of Lewis yup 3.5ft at 30m broke an arrow cause it missed the target, 30" on the 600 is as long as they go, ordered some 730spine but they are only 29.75", and anymore weight and my form is going to suffer I'm almost at my limit there
Plunger has the lightest spring set to the lightest tension i can get without play in the plunger
@Butt of Lewis here is my setup setup as a Olympic recurve but this is probably the most important info for tuning right now
Hoyt arcos riser
WNS delta c3 34lb carbon wood limbs 37.5lbs on fingers
WNS delta c2 30lb carbon foam limbs 33lbs on fingers
Shibuya rest and dx plunger
Arrows have 110gr points, pins Easton pin nocks and fletched have 2.5" spin wings
Easton carbon one 550/31"
Carbon one 600/30"
@Butt of Lewis yeah the 34lb limbs max out at 42.75lbs otf and at that weight the 550 31" bare hit with the fletched but I can only shoot that like 10 times before I start having form issues, I mainly shoot target compound and thought I'd try something new didn't think ruff arrow tuning would be this difficult
The bow is torturing left at full draw.
Torquing
hey jake 35C where i am
Beige is such a strange color choice. It doesn't look bad, but it feels very bland for a target bow.
To each their own for sure. Im usually a black riser kind of person.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery the black version of this riser does look amazing.
"similar to those uuka limbs" well, you can buy 2 and a half set of the uuka limbs for the price of tis win and win limbs
Not anymore.... discontinued.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery the ex1 evo ii where simply too good for the price and canibalizing customers from there, more expensive, hx and vx offerings.
they are still listed in the german online shops.
but no shop has them in stock anyway as they where only produced on order as all uuka limbs.
too bad for them, the other offerings are to expensive for me so my spring upgrade will be the kinetic vaultage instead the ex1 uuka´s.
full fledged crosscarbon foam for under 200 bucks.... customers compared them as good or better than 400 dollar hoyt limbs.
It had nothing to do with cannibalizing. Uukha refreshed their entire line-up for next year. The new Sx50 that replaced the Ex1 Evo2 are the same price.
@@ParabolicBox thy for the information, so lets hope the sx moddel is a similar quality than the ex was
Today you have Uukha limbs that are more expensive than these MXT-10
Is a very ugly riser.