I'll assume you mean me cutting out a new circle? Yes, that was in the pan I knew I was going to cut apart glue joints and joint the ones that were already broken. That removes a lot of wood, or at least enough that I knew I would have to reprofile the edge.
Franklin, I watch a lot of woodworking videos on UA-cam and between you and Brad Rodriguez, you are only the only folks that admit mistakes via editing and explain how you got there. Kudos for sharing this. PS, building you’re improved air cleaner soon.
Thank you sir! If I hid my mistakes to make myself look good, someone would see behind the curtain eventually. This way I can sleep at night, and maybe help someone out in the process.
I hope you havent tossed the project yet!!! Although it's not easy at this point the dowels can be drilled out and plugs can be made. Yes you'll have to make some odd shapes, some face grain plugs and some end grain plugs but it's an option I was taught. To the average person you wont see the fix as the TOP of the table is the star of the show and you made that come back to life beautifully!!!
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 totally understood. I love the challenge of fixing things like that. It's a valuable skillset to make those type of repairs. Even if not for the client...you may wanna attempt to repair it as a learning tool. Even with experience a mistake like that can happen. Dont ask how I know lol
Dont worry about it man failure is a part of life and in many cases failure is needed to succeed on a greater level. To save the table top you could glue a thin veneer of the same wood around it or get some thin iron and bend it around the table top and screw it every few inches or so.
If it was for me, I'd definitely salvage it. But it's for someone else, and I wanted to recreate the original detail on edge. Veneer just wouldn't be the same.
I'm pretty much a newbie at woodworking, but I am a bit better at a few other things. I'll pass along the five p's taught to me by one of my mentors. Prior planning prevents (piss) poor performance. Oops, that's more than five. I really enjoy your videos! Thanks.
Been there done that. Yes learn from failure. However, imho it was not unfixable. I see the opportunity to cut plugs of contrasting color (the maple looks good) and celebrate as part of the design. Art is always a matter of interpretation. Good video..but like I said, I did that and learned from it...still have the coffee table...looks great and works well..
I don’t think putting the dowels in there was your mistake. I believe routing the entire edge feature off was. Hind sight is 20/20 so I might have made the same mistake. If just enough material was removed too make the table round on the top and the bottom, the center could have been milled to match the old feature. Thanks for the great videos!
As you have said before, if you make a mistake accentuate it when possible. If the dowels showing are evenly spaced could you not drill them out and plug with much darker or lighter home made dowels, it's just a thought. If I had half your skills I'd be a happy chappy. Thanks for an honest vid,, these help sometimes more than the successful ones.
With a bit of creativity the dowels can become something decorative. You can round them out, dig in about a half inch, and insert another piece which you can carve something pretty into like flowers.
Showing mistakes is so important, otherwise all of us losers out here feel like the worst people, being the only ones we've ever seen making any errors.
I started woodworking about year ago and every project I've made I did not like. Why? Every project had mistakes I had to hide. Looking at all these youtubers make projects without mistakes made me mad. How can they do it without any mistakes!!??. Then I realized. Watching one video I noticed that few boards are not the same at the start and the finish. I actually messaged this guy and asked him how come. His answer was: "Nobody likes to see video of failure, almost every project I did I had fixes on it. Customer don't care if they don't know." After that I started to appreciate my projects.
dont worry you are not alone, i have also done this.. my second week at my new job as a cabinet door maker and was making veneer mdf panels with a solid edge... shaped the edge and out popped my biscuits... woops lol...
A lot of good suggestions in the comments, so not to repeat just wanted to say that- This is not a failure- it is a challenge. For me there are rearly an option to scrapp a project, coz either a deadline or unavailability of materials means I have to finda a way out of the pickle i have gotten myself into. I believe you are an outstanding craftsman who has the skills to finish that table without anyone knowing that there where any mistakes in the first palce. you could make your next video about it.
Thank you for your confidence in my skills. I think I could salvage it, and still make a nice looking table. But what I would not be able to do is recreate the edge detail that was there before. Since this is for someone else, I'm going to have to scrap it and eat the material for a new top. I'd rather take the hit and have a happy client. But I may hold on to it for experimentation....
OK, anyone who never made that mistake can throw rocks. I am not one of them. But a couple of suggestions. First thing that comes to mine is veneer edge banding. Fill in the couple of voids I saw and edge band the table. Second idea, fabricate a ring of solid wood and make the table a bit larger. You should be able to make a suitable ring using a router and the trammel you used to do the original trim job. It looked like a nice little table so it should be worth the effort. Regardless, thanks for showing the mistake. It should make each of us think a bit before attempting new or unusual.
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 oh. I would of just stained it and gave it away. But. Hey discouragement is Satans #1tool. Love ur channel. Need that dust collector. Badass stuff.😤👍👍✌️♥️
My brother was a Journeyman in most of the carpentry disciplines. He could look at the beginning of a project and almost instantly see all 10 steps to completion! He was my go-to guy! I think it's great of you to show vids like this. It shows your integrity and also shows that not all jobs turn out perfect or even at all.
You are right when you said in the end that you can learn from failure than succes. It nice when something works in the first time but buy trying a second time after a failure can give you beter results than when it works in the first time
99% of UA-cam woodworkers never show their mistakes, So they never relay the knowledge of how to correct a mistake. Thank you for showing us the faults and the recommendations of how to fix them.
hahaha. It's not like I haven't done a similar thing! [live and learn is my mantra when this happens; ugh] Someone wiser than me told me "Fix it. Just don't tell the client - you're the expert and they'll not notice anyway.
That's the kind of mistake I mkae too often too :-) Route a channel the width of the dowels around the center of the edge then fill with a strip of similar wood.
Take it from his twin Brother of a different Mother AND Father who operates at 89,999 feet, standing on your tie is still standing on your tie. The only question is which of us was first? I believe ME, as videos were called silent films.
i see that as an opportunity to practice my steam wood bending! God knows If goofed up enough wood working projects in the past and had to practice a new skill to fix it!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really enjoy your videos.
Just weld it up.
I’ve got some book shelves with partial biscuits showing. I did one long skinny glue up and then cut it into the different shelves. Now I know better.
Was the new shape planned before step one?
I'll assume you mean me cutting out a new circle? Yes, that was in the pan I knew I was going to cut apart glue joints and joint the ones that were already broken. That removes a lot of wood, or at least enough that I knew I would have to reprofile the edge.
I have a secret for fixing that ... buy if I told you...
Franklin, I watch a lot of woodworking videos on UA-cam and between you and Brad Rodriguez, you are only the only folks that admit mistakes via editing and explain how you got there. Kudos for sharing this. PS, building you’re improved air cleaner soon.
Thank you sir! If I hid my mistakes to make myself look good, someone would see behind the curtain eventually. This way I can sleep at night, and maybe help someone out in the process.
Looks like the profile doesn’t line up
I'd have used a smoothing plane to restore the surface. Cutting it up seems a little extreme and a lot of work.
Some of the glue joints had already failed and had come apart. The remaining ones looked bad. I didn't see that I had any other option.
Rout the ends of the dowels and use plugs of the same wood as the top to fill them. Sand and finish!
Why not throw some edge banding on there? Thanks for showing your mistakes
Interesting video. I like it.
I understood the client will get a new top.
To save this one, maybe route a recess a wide as an edge band.
That is a great idea!
Loved the fact you showed your failures, thanks
I hope you havent tossed the project yet!!! Although it's not easy at this point the dowels can be drilled out and plugs can be made. Yes you'll have to make some odd shapes, some face grain plugs and some end grain plugs but it's an option I was taught. To the average person you wont see the fix as the TOP of the table is the star of the show and you made that come back to life beautifully!!!
Not sure I can salvage it. It's not for me, but for a client. I'd rather eat this one than risk them being unhappy.
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 totally understood. I love the challenge of fixing things like that. It's a valuable skillset to make those type of repairs. Even if not for the client...you may wanna attempt to repair it as a learning tool. Even with experience a mistake like that can happen. Dont ask how I know lol
Full disclosure and not blaming someone else, how refreshing! Keep up the great work!
Dont worry about it man failure is a part of life and in many cases failure is needed to succeed on a greater level. To save the table top you could glue a thin veneer of the same wood around it or get some thin iron and bend it around the table top and screw it every few inches or so.
If it was for me, I'd definitely salvage it. But it's for someone else, and I wanted to recreate the original detail on edge. Veneer just wouldn't be the same.
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 I got you.
Either use veneer or a strip of thick black lacquer. It would make a nice contrast.
This is the video that made me Subscribe! A teacher that is willing to show and examine their own mistakes is the best kind to learn from!!
I'm pretty much a newbie at woodworking, but I am a bit better at a few other things. I'll pass along the five p's taught to me by one of my mentors. Prior planning prevents (piss) poor performance. Oops, that's more than five. I really enjoy your videos! Thanks.
Been there done that. Yes learn from failure. However, imho it was not unfixable. I see the opportunity to cut plugs of contrasting color (the maple looks good) and celebrate as part of the design. Art is always a matter of interpretation. Good video..but like I said, I did that and learned from it...still have the coffee table...looks great and works well..
I don’t think putting the dowels in there was your mistake. I believe routing the entire edge feature off was. Hind sight is 20/20 so I might have made the same mistake. If just enough material was removed too make the table round on the top and the bottom, the center could have been milled to match the old feature. Thanks for the great videos!
As you have said before, if you make a mistake accentuate it when possible. If the dowels showing are evenly spaced could you not drill them out and plug with much darker or lighter home made dowels, it's just a thought. If I had half your skills I'd be a happy chappy. Thanks for an honest vid,, these help sometimes more than the successful ones.
With a bit of creativity the dowels can become something decorative. You can round them out, dig in about a half inch, and insert another piece which you can carve something pretty into like flowers.
Why not purchase some flat stock to match the color of the legs - and make a metal edge guard around the perimeter of the table?
Showing mistakes is so important, otherwise all of us losers out here feel like the worst people, being the only ones we've ever seen making any errors.
I started woodworking about year ago and every project I've made I did not like. Why? Every project had mistakes I had to hide. Looking at all these youtubers make projects without mistakes made me mad. How can they do it without any mistakes!!??. Then I realized. Watching one video I noticed that few boards are not the same at the start and the finish. I actually messaged this guy and asked him how come. His answer was: "Nobody likes to see video of failure, almost every project I did I had fixes on it. Customer don't care if they don't know."
After that I started to appreciate my projects.
Most often, we are the only one that see our mistakes. Projects are either great, or great learning opportunities. You should feel good about both.
dont worry you are not alone, i have also done this.. my second week at my new job as a cabinet door maker and was making veneer mdf panels with a solid edge... shaped the edge and out popped my biscuits... woops lol...
That's hilarious! I hope you kept your job!
A lot of good suggestions in the comments, so not to repeat just wanted to say that- This is not a failure- it is a challenge. For me there are rearly an option to scrapp a project, coz either a deadline or unavailability of materials means I have to finda a way out of the pickle i have gotten myself into. I believe you are an outstanding craftsman who has the skills to finish that table without anyone knowing that there where any mistakes in the first palce. you could make your next video about it.
Thank you for your confidence in my skills. I think I could salvage it, and still make a nice looking table. But what I would not be able to do is recreate the edge detail that was there before. Since this is for someone else, I'm going to have to scrap it and eat the material for a new top. I'd rather take the hit and have a happy client. But I may hold on to it for experimentation....
Here I was thinking you were the perfect wood worker. After all there were no mistakes made when we worked on a project together.
I didn't know sarcasm could be typed so effectively. You have a gift. Waiting for your next shop update!
You don’t learn from success, only from failure...
I once corrected a friend who was about to make a newbie error, his immediate response "Shhh! I'm being creative"
I've always remembered that.
Ha!
So...how’d you end up fixing it? Veneer? Stain? Flame thrower?
Burn pile.
Noooooo!
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 Then you really did fail.
OK, anyone who never made that mistake can throw rocks. I am not one of them. But a couple of suggestions. First thing that comes to mine is veneer edge banding. Fill in the couple of voids I saw and edge band the table. Second idea, fabricate a ring of solid wood and make the table a bit larger. You should be able to make a suitable ring using a router and the trammel you used to do the original trim job. It looked like a nice little table so it should be worth the effort. Regardless, thanks for showing the mistake. It should make each of us think a bit before attempting new or unusual.
Glen Crandall I agree the edge-banding is the quick fix put pitting a segmented ring on this might actually make this project look better.
At 6:40 it looks like the table is Missing a chunk on the lower right? What is that?
That was simply the result of a temper tantrum after I realized I had ruined the table. All the shots are not necessarily in chronological order.
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 oh. I would of just stained it and gave it away. But. Hey discouragement is Satans #1tool. Love ur channel. Need that dust collector. Badass stuff.😤👍👍✌️♥️
Looks like a good situation for edge banding....
Not if I'm going to recreate the edge detail that was there before. Looks like I'll eat this one...
I've always said there is success in failure, if you learn from it.
Put some edge banding on it and it will be perfect!
My brother was a Journeyman in most of the carpentry disciplines. He could look at the beginning of a project and almost instantly see all 10 steps to completion! He was my go-to guy! I think it's great of you to show vids like this. It shows your integrity and also shows that not all jobs turn out perfect or even at all.
You are right when you said in the end that you can learn from failure than succes. It nice when something works in the first time but buy trying a second time after a failure can give you beter results than when it works in the first time
99% of UA-cam woodworkers never show their mistakes, So they never relay the knowledge of how to correct a mistake. Thank you for showing us the faults and the recommendations of how to fix them.
What mistakes???? If only i could reach a quater of this
hahaha. It's not like I haven't done a similar thing! [live and learn is my mantra when this happens; ugh]
Someone wiser than me told me "Fix it. Just don't tell the client - you're the expert and they'll not notice anyway.
An absolutely first class and honest video, even from 95 thousand 🦶Thank you
Dude! Just call it an accent. Lol. Rob I feel you pain.
Ken.
ooh deer i didn't set it coming i was thinking the wire leg frame was going to be to wide after cutting the table down lol
At least you can't blame the Dowel Max! It easily could have happened with a Domino too.
Fellow dowelmax user here. Been there! D'oh! Thanks for sharing.
That's the kind of mistake I mkae too often too :-)
Route a channel the width of the dowels around the center of the edge then fill with a strip of similar wood.
Take it from his twin Brother of a different Mother AND Father who operates at 89,999 feet, standing on your tie is still standing on your tie. The only question is which of us was first? I believe ME, as videos were called silent films.
I have learned tons from my failures-still have all my fingers as well. Thanks for sharing your failure. 😎
I did the same thing with biscuits one. I said once. I too try to learn from my snafu's.
Made the same mistake on a very important project. I had a long talk with myself about paying more attention.
i see that as an opportunity to practice my steam wood bending! God knows If goofed up enough wood working projects in the past and had to practice a new skill to fix it!