A 2008 Error Helped the 2011 Cardinals Win the World Series
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2022
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In what might be the wildest baseball connection of all-time, the Astros made an error in 2008 that helped the Cardinals win the World Series 3 years later.
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Hearing how Wong’s career was derailed by that injury is genuinely tragic, especially with how it kinda sounds like the Yankees mismanaged that foot injury.
That's what my Yankees are best for, getting injury prone players, mismanaging the injuries, making the injures constantly come back, and filling up the local NY hospital beds
@@ThumbsUpMike Wong was a real good pitcher at the wrong time if he only had this current conditioning staff he wouldve cut it in today's rotation
Its Wang he just pronounces it wrong the whole video for some reason
@@jacobbaker7763 it's pronounced "Wong" (I would know)
I love how such a small and unknown action can change the path of baseball so easily
Like Bartolos home run
Wings of a butterfly dood. Wings of a butterfly.
@@tumamafavorita8992 bro hit it so far that it shook the boots of every pitcher around the world so they made the universal DH a thing so he wouldn’t commit war crimes against a baseball ever again 😌
SD fan here… my favorite butterfly effect moment was when Bartolo Colón hit his first career homer against James Shields who had been crowned our ace and given the richest contract in our franchise history but following that HR just declined sharply. He was eventually traded by our new GM to the White Sox for two prospects, Erik Johnson and Fernando Tatís Jr.
I watched almost every Wang's start in 2006 and 2007, he was so dominating...
He was treated like a rock star in Taiwan back in the day.
7:12 CORRECTION: The Cardinals had already won game 162 earlier and then had to wait for the Braves to lose. If the Braves won that game, we'd have a Game 163
A good butterfly effect would be because of acuna’s ucl injury the braves had to go get more outfielders and got Eddie resario who won NLCS MVP and Jorge solar who won WS mvp
The cardinals did not qualify for the playoffs before their game ended. They finished their game long before the braves did and they were all watching that game in the locker room.
Blues Avs round 2, Binnington is a 🤡, Kadri did nothing wrong
@@AVSCOUNTRY2024 this is a baseball channel, plus Avs gonna choke anyway
@@AVSCOUNTRY2024 stay salty
@@xercuses5778 and why would I be salty if my team? I’m not even salty, I was bragging
@@AVSCOUNTRY2024 bro who asked?
As a Taiwanese sports fan, this is very bittersweet to watch. Wang was like how Yao Ming was in China, a national hero at the top of an American sports league whose career was cut short by unfortunate injuries. I was only a kid and didn't really follow the MLB that much during the mid-2000s but Wang is everywhere. He's on the front page of newspapers, the headliner in news coverages, and in all sorts of TV commercials. Wang had so much impact that he was one of the very few people that made the world know about the little-known Asian island nation of Taiwan. Even though there are other Taiwanese MLB players later, they never reached the same stardom as Wang did in those Yankee years. Chein-Ming Wang is truly one of the biggest what-if stories in recent MLB history.
Barry Bonds's injury in 2005 helped the San Francisco Giants start their dynasty from 2010-2014
Show your work? I'm curious where the dots connect there
@@andykratoska5791 same 💀💀💀
@@andykratoska5791 they took lincecum in the first round of the 2006 draft, if bonds was playing they probably win a couple more games and move down in the draft
@@evanoberstein7748 Giants picked 10, Diamondbacks picked 11. Giants win 3 more games and that order gets flipped, and the Giants are forced to take some schmuck named Max Scherzer.
@@andykratoska5791 Or give up the pick to keep trying to win in the Bonds era
I’m from Memphis so I got to see half the 2011 WS team play before they made it up. I’ve seen half the current team play as well.
Most people probably don't know that the Memphis redbirds are the AAA farm team for the cardinals. If that's what you're talkin about. I'm up in st louis, that's why I know. Always wanted to go to a redbirds game.
@@senorpepper3405 wanna see them right after being drafted? Peoria is only 2 1/2 hours away from you. That's our high A ball club
The mafia!!
The death of Oscar Tavares won the Braves the 2021 World Series: if OT doesn’t get behind the wheel, the cardinals have their RF of the future and have no need for Jason Heyward. If Jason Heyward doesn’t come to the Cardinals, Shelby Miller doesn’t go to the Braves. Miller was then flipped for Dansby Swanson, who was obviously a key piece to the Braves in 2021.
Side notes worth mentioning:
How does Shelby Millers career, one that at one point held very high expectations, end up going?
Does Jason Heyward still end up signing with the Cubs after a solid season on St Louis in 2015, one that he faced the Cubs 19 times in?
If OT is filling an outfield spot, do the cardinals trade for Ozuna and hold onto Alcantara and Gallen?
This thought has infiltrated my mind for years and the Braves winning it last October was the icing on the cake
Man that hurts
Do a butterfly effect of how the evolution of the bat species led to the dodgers 2020 World Series
That season should’ve haven’t never had happen
Butterfly Effect: How Nintendo buying the Seattle Mariners led to the 2019 AL Rookie of the Year
Nintendo bought the Seattle Mariners in 1992. From then on, the Mariners enjoyed a golden age of baseball, where they had gotten a bulk of their winning seasons in their franchise's history. However, in 2002 and 2003, the Mariners won 93 games and still missed the playoffs. After being dissatisfied with this result, GM Pat Gillick resigned. The Mariners replaced him with Bill Bavasi. Bavasi was a free spender and splash trade buyer (a lot like a 2000s AJ Preller), and he was known to make some questionable trades for established stars. One of these trades was acquiring starting pitcher Erik Bedard from the Orioles in 2007, a package that included all-star Adam Jones. Bedard wasn't necessarily bad in Seattle (3.31 ERA over 3 seasons) but injuries kept him sidelined for much of the time he was there. In 2011, with the Mariners rebuilding and as part of a 3-team trade, Bedard was shipped to the Red Sox for prospects that never panned out. With Bedard was another young pitching prospect: Josh Fields. Fields never pitched a game for the Red Sox and was grabbed by the Houston Astros as a 2012 Rule 5 pick. Fields was a serviceable reliever during his time in Houston. In 2016, the Los Angeles Dodgers were in need for some pitching depth for their playoff push, so they traded for Fields and gave up a little known international prospect from Cuba. This man's name was Yordan Alvarez. Alvarez rose through the Astros minor league system, developing significant power and was called up in 2019. He never looked back. In just 87 games, Alvarez hit 27 home runs and had an OPS of 1.067, unanimously winning 2019 AL ROTY.
bro what
really not that interesting
How about the Phillies sweeping the bravos at the end of the regular season, allowing the cardinals to advance. Only to have those cardinals beat the Phillies in the divisional series. What a series that was, especially game 5. Chris carpenter and Roy Halliday were never the same.
And Ryan Howard tore his Achilles
Signed their own death warrant and didn't even realize
That was one of the greatest baseball games I’ve ever seen. Mmmm.
I’ll never forget going to my first game at Yankee stadium as a kid and being in awe of wang and his long toss routine pre game. He was throwing the ball on the fly from foul pole to foul pole and Posada was like 3 hopping it back to him. Such an impressive arm
Wang is truly a legend many place across the world, taiwanese still remember the 2 years that Wang finish 2nd in cy young, and i rm when he finish his recovery program in texas and joined royals as a reliever, the whole taiwan population having their tear in their eyes. watching his documentary just give me so much goosepump and the way he ffigght his way back to the major is just so inspiring
Corey Seager going to the Rangers lead to Freddie Freeman going to the Dodgers
Although I was never and never will be a fan of the DH Wang’s Achilles injury was sad. He was an old school pitcher that I have always enjoyed watching. It wasn’t often a soft tossing control artist gets the #1 spot in a rotation. Greg Maddux was in that mold. That being said back in the days of small ball I can remember so many times when managers used starting pitchers as pinch runners. I remember Maddux being Don Zimmer’s go to pinch runner even during his first Cy Young campaign he risked putting him on the base paths in order to try and win a game. That’s the way baseball used to be played and Torre leaving Wang in to run was how managers used to try to manufacture runs. Most pitchers don’t look like Bartolo and have decent speed. It really is sad when a pitcher gets an Achilles injury because that seems to be a surgery like the modern thoracic outlet syndrome they never seem to return to form from. With Wang it changed his mechanics quite a bit. You could see it in his delivery when he returned. He didn’t seem to be nearly as smooth and that first year looked really wonky. It’s sad that happened but Wang was the exception to the norm. I can remember hundreds of times pitchers stayed in to run or pinch ran late in a game were nothing happened. Freak injuries sucked but at the time Wang was cruising in the game and Torre didn’t have the bullpen Girardi got the next year. Leaving Wang in is exactly what every other manager would have done. It’s unfortunate that teams don’t make sure their pitchers get time practicing on the bases and their hitting. If teams would start nurturing the hitting of some of their back end and bullpen pitchers would they have extra weapons beside their few choices from their bench. I was sad to learn the National League was going to the DH. It was nice to go to NL games and see the different strategy those managers used in their games. In the bottom of the 6th of a one run game, with a runner on, 2 outs and your starter who is cruising through the lineup at bat, do you pinch hit for him? Who do you start warming up with the heart of the other teams lineup coming up in the 7th. I know pitchers suck at hitting but it kept the game pure and closer to its roots. Your manager had to be good at strategy not just a front office shill. You had so much second guessing to discuss with fellow baseball fans the next day. The DH just takes so much away from the game. I honestly hate it.
A good butterfly effect is me quitting baseball during my senior season and missing the game so much I join a mens league to keep playing the game I love. Also playing QB for my buddies flag football team and essentially never warming up correctly because I wasn’t in high school anymore. During the mens league try out to get picked up by a team I did my thing in the infield and then decided to also pitch. One pitch is all it took to hurt my shoulder eventually tearing my labrum. After surgery I just sat around and actually forgot to register for college classes for the fall semester so I had to go find my first job. My best friend and I go all around applying and before we finished up he already had an application for a restaurant so we went to drop it off. Since it was slow that day I decided to fill one out too. I get a call the next day to be a dish washer there and weeks later I see this cute girl come to back of the kitchen and told my best friend how cute she was. Skip to nine months later and finally we go on our first date and now 8 years later we’re still together and she’s the love of my life. My life is great, I’m a teacher and we have a house, all because I quit my high school baseball team. My biggest regret became my greatest blessing. That’s baseball for you lol
Quick baseball reference search and wang gave up 6 runs and 4 runs in two seperate games aganist the braves in 2011. He was also responsible for the braves having such a huge lead in the wild card race
Ya, this is way too much of a stretch. Just tell the Wang story without stretching it too an absurd level.
the fact too that David Freese was traded to the cards after their 2006 WS, i think he was traded for David Eckstien and he played thee most vital role in a WS since,
Actually the cardinals traded Jim Edmonds for him in I think 2008
Here’s one for you, on the story of Marlins Man, How a stolen t-shirt led to the creation of the most recognizable fan in sports.
4:05 thank you for the shoutout!!!
Idea: How a small move by a mediocre team led to the Eagles' Super Bowl victory.
June 12, 2015- Tampa Bay Buccaneers claim TE Tim Wright off waivers.
August 31, 2015- Buccaneers trade Wright to Detroit for kicker Kyle Brindza.
May 19, 2016- To leave room for Brindza on their roster, the Buccaneers waive kicker Patrick Murray.
June 9, 2016- Murray signs with the Cleveland Browns.
September 24, 2016- Murray is placed on the injured reserve with a knee injury. To replace him, the Browns sign Cody Parkey.
September 2, 2017- The Browns waive Parkey.
September 3, 2017- Parkey is claimed off waivers by the Dolphins.
Week 2, 2017- Parkey scores 13 of 19 points for the Dolphins, including a game-winning 54-yard field goal, and wins an AFC Special Teams Player of the Week Award for his performance.
March 14, 2018- Because of the attention he got for his performance, the Bears sign Parkey to a four-year contract.
2018 NFC Wild Card Playoff- Parkey misses a game-winning field goal against the Eagles.
Super Bowl X- The Eagles, only able to get this far because of Parkey's missed field goal, win the Super Bowl.
Not sure of how much buterfly effect is in this but, billy cundiff's miss in the 2012 AFC championship game led to either the ravens winning the super bowl or drafting lamar jackson
he was hard to hit with that unique sinker he can throw and he also had 2 seasons of 19 wins he could of been a cy young winner and so much more sucks how a injury change everything and more injury affected his future
Add this to the "pitchers are pitchers, not athletes" list. That's why they (used to) sit on a different bench in the dugout lol.
I was hesitant at first but it's only taken 1 month of 2022 baseball to have me loving the universal DH.
It’s ridiculous how long it took for the universal DH to be fully implemented.
Wilmer Flores crying mid game in 2015 is my go to baseball butterfly effect (especially as a Brewers fan). It caused the Gomez-Wheeler trade to fall through -> Gomez was then traded to HOU with Fiers for Hader and company -> Hader transitions from SP to dominant reliever, Fiers learns of Astros cheating, and on and on.
This is why I love baseball! where else do guys go deep into past stats and plays to give weird but plausible reasoning for what's happening on the field in the present. No where else do sport fans dive this deep! I don't think Baseball is a sport as much as it is a living history, the concept of time as a constant, yet ironically, continuously changing with players names. Somehow Baseball allows us to touch the past here in the present. 100 years ago baseball fans watched the same double play happen between two teams in the same time frame of seconds, bang bang bang (Tinker, Evers, to Chance) as we do. Gotta love it!!
great story of our game i did not know..... hurt when i relaised it was beating my rangers...... nelson cruz just had to catch a fly ball..... he did not and now it hurts knowing how close we were.
love that rick ankiel clip lmaooo
I loved watching Wang pitch, and it sucks what happened to him in Houston.
You could argue in a different universe the Nats could’ve still put up a great start/starter, but I like how this was made :)
you're not wrong, but I'm glad you enjoyed it!
It was upsetting as a Yankees fan, I remember fans would go to games around his start he really was just something different, that 19-6 season you didn't want to miss a pitch
So pretty much if Wong doesn't get injured the Cards probably don't make the playoffs and the Phillies more than likely make it to the WS.
“A-Rod goes deep, Wang hurt” we remember the headline 😂
Rick Ankiel sighting
Also A.J Burnett... I could have sworn I saw that guy at the airport
that one injury might have cost the philles 2 extra world 09 and 11 where then Ryan Howard's prime ended with the injury so unbelievably depressing
One of my favorite teams having an effect on one of my other favorite teams? I'm intrigued
God, I love this series 👏
That’s crazy as always
I didn’t see it mentioned. Wang has a documentary on Netflix that is awesome
The injury to Wang's foot was terrible for his career , that's bad, he did the best of Taiwanese pitchers, Thank for this video
That made the world know this man!!
Yankees fan here. Thanks for the horrible memories. As soon as I heard Wang’s name I thought, “Killer Sinker. Lost potential. Bummer.”
Wang has a great documentary on Netflix called late life. Absolutely worth the watch
Man now I feel bad for booing Wong in my early Yankees fandom years: knowing what happened now, is a shame. Wong coulda been better if not for a dumb freak accident. But without him, Yankees don’t sign the pitchers to win 2009 and the cardinals maybe don’t go to the WS
I remember hearing about how a trade from 2007, I believe, helped the Cardinals win the 1011 World Series as well.
Could you do the Giant’s 2012 postseason where they won 6 elimination games and ended up sweeping the favored Tigers for the World Series
As a Ranger fan, I read the title as "How a 2008 error made a Texas boy the saddest kid in the world."
3 consecutive years in the late 2000's, the Cincinnati Reds traded Josh Hamilton in 2007, Adam Dunn in 2008, and Edwin Encarnacion in 2009. Obviously the biggest one being Hamilton, what that Reds team could have looked like in the early 2010's with some of the years those guys put up, combined with what the team already had, would have been nuts and has to have a butterfly effect somewhere.
Great vid my wife is from Taiwan so i knew the story and saw that documentary
I remember this ass I was preparing for my second deployment. It was a double blow to me for sure. Ugh. Hate how badly it went for him when it was going so damn good.
Hey. A Rick Ankiel sighting. You should do a 3 parter on old Rick. Part 1, his woes as a pitcher. Part 2, his emergence as a power hitter with a cannon attached to the left side of his body. Part 3, one of the best smiles and nicest guys you’ll ever meet….. maybe just parts 1 and 2….
I have a personal anecdote about the June 15, 2008 game: I was there. I was sitting on the first base side in the nose bleeds over looking unfortunate carnage.
im from Taiwan and I know a lot about Wang. You should check out the documentary made about him a couple years ago. Good stuff.
I love this
That’s a name I haven’t heard or thought of in a long time
When he came back in 2009, something was...wong. I'll see myself out lol
As a fan of Wang Chien-Ming and the Texas Rangers, this one really hurt.
Insane
5:55 Missed opportunity to say “But this is where the story takes a _Wong_ turn...”
Alright nevermind, Ill see myself out....
I'm curious if New York does sign AJ Burnett if Wong is healthy. I'm a Braves fan and I remember at the time I was worked up when he signed in New York over Atlanta after getting C.C.. Atlanta decided to sign Derek Lowe afterwards. I got over it and looking now I think the Braves actually saved money technically for the same production. Looking at Lowes and Burnetts ERA, its pretty much the same just different pitching styles.
I do also remember he kept having fingernail problems from the way he threw his sinker so I can't guarantee he would have been able to continue like that forever
Does Ryan Howard tear his Achilles like he did in game 5 of that year’s series with the cardinals if wang didn’t help the cardinals get into the playoffs?
Now the NL finally adopted the DH rule.
Churn Ming Wang was one of my favorite pitchers growing up. I was really excited to think he could have a great career and I was so devastated when he got injured in 2008.
Glad to hear that he is doing well over in Taiwan. I’ll have to catch that documentary
Carlos Gomez failing his physical during the trade deadline
Do a butterfly effect of Jose Fernandez
Love the idea, but this one is flimsy at best
We love Wang ❤️❤️
Here’s a long winded sort of double butterfly effect: Sam Cassel hits a shot late in Game 2 of the WestSemi finals to seal a lead for the Minnesota Timberwolves over the Sacramento Kings, and celebrates doing his “Big Balls Dance”. Doing said dance aggravates an avulsion fracture in his hip, causing him to be less effective and eventually miss time in the West Finals against the Lakers. Healthy TWolves were 3-1 against the lakers in the regular season and could have beaten both the Lakers and Pistons to win a title. They don’t win, and the whole situation sours the next season. Cassel and Sprewell are traded away, the team stinks again. Summer of 2007, Lebron had just lost his first finals to the Spurs, and that offseason, The TWolves trade KG to the Celtics for a bunch of guys who never got the team back to the playoffs. KG and those Celtics help keep Lebron out of the finals the next 3 years, prompting “The Decision” and Lebron going to Miami. (Butterfly effect 1)
Second part: A year after KG was traded, the TWolves hire David Kahn (William shatner screaming Kahnnn clip) who has picks 5&6 in the 2009 NBA Draft. He takes Ricky Rubio and Johnny F****** Flynn. The player taken 7th: Stephen Curry to the Golden State Warriors, who has now helped create a dynasty going to 6 finals in 8 years, winning 4 rings, and is on pace to be a Top 10 all time player. Another side note: these same TWolves also made a Trade Offer to the warriors that was Kevin Love for David Lee and Klay Thompson. Stories from the time say that the warriors front office was very split on this offer but they decided not to do it, and Klay is the other half of the Splash Brothers/Warriors Dynasty that has its roots all the way back to Sam Cassel’s Big Balls Dance injury.
2:13, I went to that game 😀
you forgot to mention that almost no no with the Red Sox he almost had
I never really got why pitchers occasionally running the bases was such a problem. Yea a couple times guys got injured, but that also happens to position players from time to time too. Also presumably these pitchers have played baseball their entire lives and spent the bulk of their childhoods as the best player on their team, hitting, pitching, and yes running the bases. I pitched against Rick Porcello in high school, and he was a top 5 high school pitching prospect in the country at the time, and he also hit 4th on a very good Seton hall prep team. Most pitchers suck by pro hitter standards but are actually usually quite good compared to their teammates growing up, and have been running the bases for years. What's the big deal?
As a taiwanese, as soon as I saw that face on the thumbnail I had to click in.
Now do how the infamous Double Doink playoff game helped the St. Louis Blues win their first Stanley Cup.
That wasn't hank who told the NL to join the 20th century it was George
Wang was amazing. Low key the Yankees ace. It’s unfortunate how that foot injury ended his prime and ultimately his career.
I feel really bad for Wang, he missed the WS run immediately and that was basically it.
I love all these videos and have refused to watch this one till now. I'm a Rangers fan, and 2011 is the lowest moment in my baseball life. Only now can I bring myself to watch it since we finally won the series this last year. Lol
I think errors made by Ron Roenicke may have been more important.
Tejada in an orioles hat while playing for the astros
As a Yankees fan, the Yankees still will the 2009 with Wang
Too bad that game was in 2008 and not a year later so we could know all the details for certain (every game from 2009-2018 was uploaded to UA-cam by MLB from start to finish)
How does a foot injury lead to a shoulder injury?
being a rangers fan becomes more and more difficult everyday
Wang not Wong
dude im Taiwanese
I was excited for a new butterfly effect. Then you had to mention Chien Ming Wang. WHYYYYYYYY? I mean who’s to say he wouldn’t have fallen off if he didn’t hurt himself running the bases, but I fully blame Joe Girardi for even allowing that to happen, what might’ve been? Joe Girardi was a curse upon the Yankees
Pretty sure that time I built a DeLorean and killed a butterfly with my windshield in 1955 resulted in Wang's initial baserunning injury. You're welcome 2011 Cardinals lol
baseball matpat
you sound like matpat
4:49 BuT bArToLo'S hOmErUn!
What about personal life things?
It took 3 full years for Wang’s freak accident to come full circle? Ok seems right…
Wow
It wasn't the foot injury that did Wong in. he would have had hip injuries, etc., regardless.
The foot injury started it but what really hindered him was his shoulder
I disagree on that cus he was a good pitcher with 2 "19"win seasons and that foot injury mess up his posture
he revealed that the rehab program in yankees was not helping and they did not emphasize lower body strength and durability in rehab, thats why his hip started to go off, and the pitching mechanics went off, and his shoulder was gone with more compensation on pitching mechanics
Leg or foot injuries have a tendency to alter your mechanics no matter how hard you try to avoid it. Altered mechanics tend to lead to arm and shoulder problems. Snowball effect.
Hello
i feel SO special!! lol
No it didnt and theres nothing else to say about that
Thats a bit of a stretch. Cant wait to see the other videos about the starters that beat the 2011 Braves and how they contributed to the 2011 Cardinals winning the World Series