Which To Buy First, Finish Nailer Or Brad Nailer?
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Should you buy a finish nailer or a brad nailer for your projects? Should you buy cordless or pneumatic? Today I'm talking about the pros and cons of both setups and giving you my reasons for why I chose the tools that I have in my shop.
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Great no nonsense video - Clear and concise and I learnt a lot!
I think the brad nailer is a great all purpose aid for people doing small projects and used with fine woodworking .
Especially in combination with adhesive u can tackle light construction work.
But the finish nailers have their place for external construction work on larger pieces.
As always with woodwork you will need more than one nailer!
Subscribed!
Thanks for the video, just to sum it up, this what I got from the video. Finishing nailer is more sturdy because of bigger nails but can also be more destructive. Brad nailer is basically a place holder nailer, letting glue set or for very soft wood. Cordless is more convenient but you pay for that convenience. In other words you need both a brad and a finishing nailer to be able to do everything.
I can always depend on getting real feedback from you. I place high value on your honesty about tools you actually use and enjoy your channel. Much appreciated!
Very good information. I like the way you explained everything, really helped me figure out what I needed.
I'm sure mentioned already but, for someone just getting into this hobby/trade, if they don't already have a decent compressor, the cost is similar. The time to set up if you don't have a dedicated full-time comp in a shop easily makes up for the cost difference.
This was the perfect video for me trying to decide between cordless vs pneumatic, and which nailer I should get first for my needs. Thanks!
The compressor I use is over 10 years old from harbor freight, use it for my brad nailer , stapler and also to remove dust from board and clean up table saw etc. (I also do my own maintenance/service on my truck and motorcycle so I do use the compressor quite a bit for that)
Thank you for the detail on both. I always wondered and was thinking about this yesterday actually. Woke up this morning and see u posted a video on it. Talk about perfect timing lol
I needed to hear all this. Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Thanks for this video. Love the detail very informative for beginners like me.
This was the best review on nailers. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!👍🏽
Great information as a beginner in woodworking I realized I needed one, I had a Lowes gift card so I ordered the Bostitch 18 Guage Brad nailer and 6 gallon compressor with hose it was 149 so I figured it was a good deal, I can always grab a pin nailer as well, thanks for the video.
Thanks for this video - I found it very useful in helping think about the nail gun I want to purchase
Great video! Excellent breakdown. Thank you! Definitely subscribing!
I have to agree about Ryobi products. I have a bunch and have never been let down. I have several pneumatic devices and they are efficient but I continue to transition to all battery powered equipment for the convenience.
I'm on the DeWalt platform but I'm just a diyer. Only now have I came up to a point where I'll be fitting baseboards and facings do I need a nailer. The price of the DeWalt ones is eye watering for me given my usage levels.
I probed the net and a good half way was to buy the Ryobi gun(in your chosen size) and then get a battery adapter to take the DeWalt batteries, so that's what's I've done. All in it came to around 200gbp, whatever that is in USD, it's a pretty reasonable compromise I found.
Home Depot usually has a porter cable set for $200 that includes the compressor a 16-g nailer, 18-gauge nailer and a 23 gauge pin nailer.. it’s the way to go if your just starting out
Just saved me butt loads of cash ty
I would love to haul that setup around.
Yeah, that's a good deal!
Love your stuff man! Maybe go through the dado with saw stop and such.
Excellent overview!!! Thank you!!!!
This could be me 😁 but although the 16 is closer to the 15 in number, I found that the 16 is closer to the 18 being just a hair bigger on the head, I have all 3 from milwaukee and the 16g and 18g holes are not that far from each other. the 15g hole is much bigger of course. so I use the 18 for really small trim but the 16 for must trims
Great breakdown 👍 I started my battery powered tool collection with the mindset of being able to take them anywhere without needing anything extra, like a compressor, hoses, etc. As I purchase new tools I need, I try to keep with the battery powered theme. With that being said, a compressor and air tools can be handy as well. My preference is the Milwaukee M12 line, they are perfect for the projects I do.
Two videos in a week . Great bro
Great information - thank you!
This is a great video -- well done.
Very informative, thank you.
Aloha, Thank you for this video I needed ...looking to buy a brad nailer soon.
Very informative thank you.
I have both pneumatic and dewalt 20V nailers as well. The only thing I would've added to the comparison is that pneumatic nailers are much smaller and lighter in weight. There are some scenarios where I can't get my 20V brad nailer into place because of its added size. The weight difference is substantial. The cordless nailers are very convenient.
Great point! I originally had that in my notes and then completely forgot to mention it. There really is a huge weight difference especially with the brad nailer!
Yeah, the Ryobi nailers are for when you're just doing small tasks rather than trimming a whole house.
Thanks for the explanation! Was wondering which I should get first. Cost wise, though pneumatic is cheaper, still have to purchase an air compressor too, then might be relatively similar. Thanks for your short and sweet video!
Even if you already have a compressor, getting a battery powered nailer is worth it considering the time spent hauling a compressor around, running extension cords and air hoses, putting everything away, etc.
Unless you're just into putting up trim I would say get the stapler, it's more versatile. I have the Ryobi stapler and it is probably my favorite and most used tool.
Appreciate the information and video, you surely made things easier to understand, well done champ 👍
Thank you for good explanation
Great information....thanks
Well said & compared.
Thank you
16gage will hold anything that you would use a finish gun for . I like 16g over 15g for the ease of filling nail holes. 18 gage is best for smaller moldings but it totally capable of large stuff like 3/4 or less in thickness. Pneumatic guns are more accurate and fit in more places. If you want a 23g pin gun the good one are pneumatic. You can definitely buy all three finish guns with a compressor for the same money as one bat gun with a couple bats and charger. Air gives more options. As a finish carpenter I have both types , of course.
Great Video, Thanks
Good information thanks
When hanging any finish work I always use 15 gauge, way stronger, like you said "better holding power... every time I use 16 gauge something pops out.
You have a cool DeWalt Radial Arm Saw just like mine!
I am looking to put 1" rough-cut pine boards for the interior walls of my camp here in Maine. Would the finish nail gun be the one to use for that, or should I use something else?
I got a 16g finishing nailer as my first. It can go down to 3/4 which I have had to use on a project. I just bought a box of each size so so Dont have to dremel them to size. 3/4; 1; 1.5; 2 covered nearly everything.
I do love the Ryobi version of the battery powered nailers. They are a bit bigger (not heavier) but operate on a air piston design which saves vibration going to your hands for big projects. The Rigid and Milwakee (same parent company) all use the air piston its great.
Nice vid. Thanks.
I would also recommend the Ryobi electric nailers. Good quality and inexpensive if you’re just getting started.
I purchased that one an the nails wouldn’t drive all the way in. Idk I returned it an got a brad nailer an compressor.
@@Veemack21 🧢
When my DeWalt broke in the middle of a job I picked up a Ryobi airstrike and it's worked so good I never went back to DeWalt...that was two years ago
I just picked up a ridgid 6gal air compressor, 16 guage finish nailer, 18 guage braid nailer, and 50 ft lay flat ridgid hose for 129$ from homedepot. hell of a deal. might resale to get the battery 16 guage finish nailer.
Excellent Thank You
Is there other sizes of 15 gauge finished nails when it comes to sizes in millimeter? (length of finished nails)
I do have 18 gauge Brad nailer, should I add 23 gauge pin nailer to make nails almost invisible?
Video itself is awesomely explaining the topic
Well it depends on what type of specific job you are doing ❗ if you're doing Framing then you should use a framing Nailer either Pneumatic or Cordless or Gas Cartridge type, if you're doing some hobby woodworking or some livelihood then you should get a finish and Brad nailer, you got many options to choose for either Pneumatic or Cordless, if you're gonna ask me I have them all! As a Certified Carpenter, Licensed Home builder, Hobbyist woodworker/Craftsman I have all Pneumatic Finish and Brad nailers, I got a Cordless Narrow Crown stapler too, and I have a paper Collated cordless framing nailer, Plastic Collated both cordless and Pneumatic framing nailer. And I also have a roofing cordless nailer and a concrete cordless nailer. Each Nailers for each specific type of jobs. But If you don't wanna spend so much for a nail guns, then you can use a claw hammer to drive nails.
If I'm putting pallets together which would work best? I have this 18g Brad nailer
I still on have Brad nailers I’ve never used anything else I have a air one and a milwaukee gen 2 one
I'm watching these video hoping I will find out of my brad or nail gun will have an air cannister or can I buy them etc. Because they don't say on the box they don't sell them along side and every video.Basically says plug it in air compressor. All your info is on every box. Size and work it does. Is there an alternative to air compressor can I buy cannisators. What options of any
Depends on if you want to finish the job or just nail Brad
Thanks!!
Not sure he answered the question: if you could buy just one, which would you buy? The answer should be a cordless Brad nailer. Here's why: it's more convenient than pneumatic, it can work as a finish nailer, and you can always hand nail bigger nails if needed. Also for getting started it is pretty minimal in cost. No compressor needed and less expensive than the larger finish nailer. Just buy the Brad nailer plus short and long brads, and you are ready to go.
Yup, noticed that too. For me, brad nailer as well. I’ve been doing interior renoes for many years and never need the finish nailer I bought. For the odd specific project, I think it’d be cheaper to rent.
Was very much confused with the naming "finish" and "brad" until checked in the description that the channel is from 🇺🇸.
In the 🇬🇧 we call them much simpler: 1st or 2nd Fix (I.e. for structural works or decoration ones)
Fantastic, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃
I bought a brad nailer in the beginning of this month, but I bought a pneumatic one. The electric ones here are crazy expensive! 😬
The electric are at least 500 dollars here.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
The Ryobi 18ga nailer is $99 now at the orange box store.
@@joeking433 I love Ryobi's stuff, but I'm from Brazil, dude. Unfortunately we don't find much of their tools here. 😕
And the shipping from the US is crazy expensive... I would love to buy some carbon fiber frames from there to build my quadcopters, but... It's not possible. 😕
@@MCsCreations Hmmm. I didn't know you lived in Brazil. I used to look down my nose at Ryobi stuff and would only buy DeWalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch, etc, but I've been impressed with a lot of Ryobi tools. Their nail guns are really good. I have the narrow crown stapler and the 16 gauge nail gun and I've never had a problem with them.
@@joeking433 Yeah, I have some of their tools as well. A circular saw, a jigsaw and a drill... But all corded, unfortunately I can't find their cordless tools here.
Some of the other brands are too overpriced, exactly because of the tag name. You know?
Anyway, thanks for the tips! 😊
This was a thorough and easy to understand explanation. Thank you. Is the green saw behind you a radial arm?
Thank you. And yes. I just haven't gotten around to ordering a blade for it.
Although I use a 15g DA nailer for hanging doors, I’ve been using a 21g nailer to hang trim for 4 years now. My painter says switching from 18g to 21g has cut his filling time in half. If trim needs to be removed for any reason it’s a real bugger to get off. Why such large nails (15g/ 16g) for trim?
Battery nailers are great for the convenience but the cost is crazy . Also you can always pick up good used air nailers very cheap. I was able to buy my Porter Cable Brad and Finish nailers both for less than $100, like new , in the case with the original nails, oil, and owners manual. My PC pancake compressor with hose was also less than $100. I'm curious as to how many nails these battery tools pump out before the battery needs a charge.
1700 for the brad nailer. If you're trimming a whole house you will want to use a pneumatic nailer.
Good comparisons with interesting information about cordless nailer pricing. I only have a pneumatic nailer so experienced the “sticker shock” about the cordless nailers pricing. Would be nice to have had close up views of the different nails when you were describing them.
So, is $99 for the 18 gauge brad nailer too expensive for you? Cheaper than a brad nailer and a compressor and hoses!
@@joeking433 The 16 gauge jumps up in price, the framing guns go up a lot more.
@@huejanus5505 I have the Ryobi cordless 16ga, 18gau, and the stapler and they were all under $150 tool only. I don't use them in an every day situation but I almost quit using my compressor and guns.
Finnish, brad, pin. Get all three!
I found online. A kit with a 16 ga finish nailer. A 18 ga brad nailer. And,a 18 ga narrow crown stapler for less than $150.00.
Yeah, air nailers. Bostitch has a deal with 3 staplers and a compressor for $189 which is really cheap!
So overall, get both Brad and finisher depending upon your projects
I think I’ll be getting a battery powered nailer again I had a bad one an it put me off. Plus the price jump from the one I had to the next up was crazy! But the compressor is annoying an loud as all hell!
Home Depot has the 18 gauge nailer for $99 and the 16 gauge for $149.
Coming from a DIYer / hobbyist - get a brad nailer, and more specifically, a ryobi airstrike, it's inexpensive, strong, reliable and safe (get the latest model which had the auto fire function completely removed). Then get yourself some quality nails (mainly 32mm for trimmings / mouldings, 40-50mm for fixing things temporarily) and toss the shitty ones coming with the pack.
I've had the 18 gauge (pneumatic) brad nailer for a while, have used it mostly for bookshelves and other light-duty stuff. Would love to know when I might wish to acquire a 23 gauge pin nailer and for what kinds of jobs.
I look at a pin nailer pretty much as a “clamp”. You will always have to use glue with the pin nailer, glue does most of the holding and the pin nailer just holds stuff in place until the glue dries. Just my opinion but I’m no expert or professional so 🤷🏻♂️
Personally I will NEVER use a galvanized nail unless it's for rust prevention on like exterior use. Im also a fan of pneumatic. Around the winter holidays you can usually find huge deals where you can get a package with a pancake air compressor along with a brad, finish, and stapler for under $100 at big box stores
I'll add that that's how I got mine and it's porter cable which is a great brand for pneumatic tools. Second only to I would say metabo (but they mostly make framing and shearing nailers) hope this comment helps someone. :)
I got a Ryobi package (YG63CK) with 16 gauge finish nailer, an 18 gauge brad nailer and an 18 gauge crown stapler awhile back. Those three tools have been very adequate for my jobs around the house, and the compressor is easy to use, if a bit loud.
Cheers!
well said
How about electric corded brad nailers?
I only use air powered tools. The air compressor is a one time expense and will power all pneumatic tools. However, the battery needs a charger and/or fuel cell.
I do prefer battery drills and screw guns.
My debate is more between 18ga Brad vs 23ga pin. Just starting out and want the more versatile gun for smaller diy projects. I think the Brad is the final answer, but I’m still undecided.
Home Depot bundles their Ridgid 18 ga and 23 ga pin nailer for about $120 USD usually available online until the holidays. 18ga is oil less, 23 ga is not.
Definitely 18g Brad. Was my first nail gun and I’ve used it for a range of diy projects.
Why would you buy a pin nailer first??? They're much more a specialty tool.
I ended up buying the Milwaukee 18ga Brad when it came with a free 8ah battery. I use the 8ah battery in my light, and free feels good.
@@andyh1227 I really like Milwaukee tools but I heard bad things about the Milwaukee nail guns.
What about that Libman broom?
On a side note all my 18 volt tools
impact, drill, jig saw , circular saw are all Bosch and I didn't see any nailers by them in 18 volt, this was supposed to be added to comment below
18ga and 23ga both necessary and pneumatic unless your rich. a stapler is a luxury, and a 16ga or bigger is only necessary if you do construction for a living, the rest of us can just swing a hammer for the 3 nails a year we drive lol
This great insight! This helps a newbie like me to understand.
You will LOVE a battery powered narrow crown stapler! It's my most used tool for tasks around the home!
As a retailer of 16 and 18 gauge brad nails, I can tell you that you would be hard pressed to find an 18 gauge nail longer than 2". My supplier doesn't make an 18 gauge nail longer than 2". My personal Ridgid pneumatic nailer can drive up to a 2.5" 18 gauge nail, at least as far as I can recall (I don't have it handy to check).
Because the 18 gauge nails are so thin, they will bend rather than drive straight in to the wood at any length longer than 2", as per the manufacturer that I purchase from. How true this is, I don't know.
Hope this helps to clear up any possible questions about that. As always, thanks for the excellent, informative content!
what scenario do you need a brad nail that long? almost none, and if its viable you should probably be using a better fastener, like a screw.
Many of my clients tend to like using 18 ga. x 2" brads when installing interior door trims. Why? No idea, most of the casings are about a half inch thick where they're nailed anyways.
Generally speaking, I agree with you though.
@@alexmaggiacs7235 and here I thought I was about to get educated lol. May I ask what your brand of choice would be? Not who you sell necessarily, but which Brad brand is your favorite in your experience
@@davesatosky5840 haha, I'm in no place to educate anybody. I use brads when I don't want exposed fasteners, and almost always with glue.
Screws for anything that needs to actually be held in place.
As for which ones I use, generally whatever is on sale or reasonably priced lol. I don't trust super cheap ones, and I can't fathom paying $20-$25+ for a box of 5000 (or even less) brads when there's very decent ones in the $15 range (Canadian dollars
@@davesatosky5840 I asked a client this morning, 2" so it goes through the trim, through the drywall and catches the stud.
Still sounds excessive if you ask me. But, I gather that the point is: longer brad to catch in multiple pieces.
I need to install base boards and door casing which one should I buy
15 Gauge
Don't forget you have to have the compressor to go w/ the air tools, so there's that cost ??
he said that
Go for the California brand compressor , extremely quiet, totally impressed.
I appreciate this isn't scientific, but . . . Not sure how many woodworking vids I've watched. Guessing I've watched 100s. Prob seen brad nailer applied in vid at least 30 or 40 times. Honestly haven't seen anyone grab a finish nailer, and pin nailer maybe 2 or 3 times only. Just a thought. Great vid, no argument with summary.
Is there a big difference between the angel nail to the straight nail ?
The difference are that angled nailer casing holds more nails than straight as it longer.
You're the first one I see that refers to a 15 gauge nailer as a finish nailer. Usually the 15g is referred to as the framing nailer, and the 16 g nailer is the "finish nailer" ?
As he said, both are close but as 15ga nails are available in a wider range of types, finishes, manufacturers and outlets, he chose to buy 15ga
That's nice and all, but can it hit a target 1000 yards away ??
If you can throw it that far, then yes.
#1 read and follow all of the owners manual
#2 empty the water out of the compressor every time you use it
#3 apply a few drops of the air tool lube every time you use it
#4 only use the nails that are made to fit your nail gun
#5 ware safety glasses
It depends on how Brad is behaving.
Go cordless! Go milwaukee the price is worth the convenience nd no ramp up like Dewalt customers appreciate how quiet you are as well
Interesting. I haven't used one before. Luckily I don't have to worry about disturbing clients too much and when I do, they don't know the difference.
Milwaukee is nitrogen powered and overheats easily when rapid fired ryobi and rigid are air piston powered.
the compressor
I agree, good information 👍🏽
pneumatic is the way to go
Answer: Both.
Go to harbor freight and purchase both. They are inexpensive there.
Harbor Freight Brad and Finish nails are garbage, and should not be used for anything in a professional capacity.
@@nailbender6884 they are fine I have both and a pin nailer. They work great.
@@michelevitarelli I'm a professional finish carpenter and my business. Harbor Freight anything is only good for the weekend hobbyist at best.
Batteries are like clamps.
For diy, if you have a compressor, go pneumatic. For occasisianal use the batteries will degrade over a few years. The pneumatic will last a life time.
Battery is too slow.
Gonna build a chicken coup with 15 gauge and report back in 5 years
Hitachi quality
You never answered the question in the title.
Oh wow I never noticed, but it's probably a 'depends on what you do more of'. Small delicate or bigger structural.
Hate to break it to ya but 23g, 21g, 18g, 16g, and 15g are ALL "finish" nailers.
Your video is to be on do I buy a brad nailer or finish nailer and like halfway through you're still just talking about nails not the tool
Yep. Seems kind of smart to figure out what you need a tool for before you buy a tool.
Ooh ooh pick me pick me I can answer that question a whole lot quicker with a whole lot less garbage the one you should buy first is the one that works best for you and the one you would use the most because not everybody is the same or does the same as everyone else unfortunately when we all start doing acting talking and thinking the same the creativity and the new products and new designs go out the window
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You mostly talk about nails. Maybe change the heading.
Kind of hard to know which gun to buy when you don’t know what the bullets are used for.