Funny thing about Sora’s dash attack: In the tester build for 1.2, the dash attack was really bad, and one of the testers, Sherwood, really hated it. They actually confirmed that’s why it was changed on their twitter
Zelda up smash in this game is the most evil move ever created, and that's keeping in mind Ramlethal 5S, Aquaman Trident Rush, and Tremor Crystalline Armor exist.
As part of a semi-competitive community in Latam (even though I only upload casual videos here) I'm glad to see that there is such a part of Smash Flash, it makes me feel like As part of a semi-competitive community in Latam (even though I only upload casual videos here) I'm happy to see that there is such a part of Smash Flash, it makes me very happy that channels like you exist, I hope one day to be able to participate in a tournament in the United States and continue to improve, but watching these videos and analyses, even if they are personal, motivates me to believe that there is something much bigger
@@Inari_YT Keep on your path as a youtuber, dealing with these topics can make a slow but faithful path in the face of interests, I hope I can continue to see you soon, I will take a look at past videos as well, thanks, again
Seriously, i did not know people actually play this game. This was always just the game you play for 2 hours when you are a little bored of an actual smash game, and then you just go back to smash.
Going into the video, I was expecting stuff like Zelda jab, Ichigo dash attack, and either Ichigo or Falcon forward air, but what you ended up selecting in those slots works even better lol. Didn't even know about the Krystal jab loops (memories of vanilla SSB4 Fox floods back).
Surprised Plum wasn't in consideration for down special, but I suppose it makes a lot more sense when you factor in that this is designed to be listed in a vacuum as you said, and Plum is designed with Ray's funny moves in mind so yeah Waft definitely is the most plausible pick.
Isaac mentioned 👀 I'd say that his hand is more broken, I'm not talking about the tech; He can do (almost) endless loops up close with hand back and it also leads into vine or a smash attack. It's easy to initiate with down air or vine itself, so you can pull this off like, whenever.
Do consider that this list looks at moves in a vacuum, Isaac Hand at least with how you describe its uses is shown strength with other moves Isaac has. In the context of his kit, Hand is great, but others might not take that over ZSS or Krystal.
I see what you mean, I'll correct myself here, I enjoy watching Krystal and ZSS on tournaments and didn't mean to pit Isaac's side b with theirs (meant it needs more attention than his dair), so it's good. I'm surprised my boi even made it in here :')
Nah ur def right. I made this a while ago and i was like holy isaac right there, but if i rerecord it my voice is gonna be way different. So i put some isaac footage there and wanted to see if anyone noticed 😅
If I had a nickel for every time the literal punching bag was a good character in a platform fighter, I'd have 2 nickels... which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
The fact that sora F-tilt has his hurtbox extended before the hitbox comes out, results in some goofy ahh interactions (like if you grab him before appears) But is pretty useful against people who use autodash, so you can "read" them if the're running or shmoving to you.
The last time I played this was when Luffy came out, and I remember Falcon being my favorite since I always thought he was the most broken one, being able to kill you with any setup, even if his B's/specials aren't that good. Nice video! I enjoyed it:)
I was literally just thinking of making this list the other day 😂 thank you for making it before me, I didn't wanna have to sit and think about it for half of my day
I'd say Krystal has the best bair, I mean that thing is fast, combos, lingers, kills at high percents, is good in disadvantage, hits both sides, lingers, does your taxes, cleans your laundry. If you aren't off stage, pressing bair on Krystal is usually a good idea
Nice to see that you're experimenting with your video editing. My thoughts: Cold Steel sound effects? Oh, we _gaming_ gaming. The vid's a bit oversaturated with them in the beginning, but you found some quality Jusis for them later on. Overall a welcome addition. +10 points W music choices. +5 points 4:35 I needed you to use LeBron at the 2010 Miami Heat party here. Huge missed opportunity. -not 1, not 2, ... 3 points 9:48 Pixel gameplay? Unfortunate. -5 points 14:35 Yo, my Fox kinda cracked... +2 points Great video! Final score: Rean/10
What about the characters best move. There are some that are obvious but then you have some like Luigi who has so many great moves it’s hard to choose the best one
this issue with this concept is this, every kit move works in sync and each other, mario with link fair would be busted , but falco with sheik fair maybe not busted but OP, whether the combo move or kill move is bair or fair is subjective, that's why this concept is difficult, falcon fair can be the best fair if this hypothetical best moves character has a combo aireal to set it up and or stun move , but a stun move benefits a character with kill moves more than a solo combo character , basically the only way for a list of best moves to he true is if u made different type letter combinations which would be infinite , idk why im ranting that was just my immediate thought when I saw this video title
honestly i'm surprided Luffy's side b wasn't mentioned in the side special section at all, Luffy's is a huge command grab that doubles as a tether recovery and we all know what happens when you hit it 💀
well before beta,its Super saiyan goku he's absolutely busted for no reason ninetails naruto is good but can get combed ,same with sonic, ichigo is worse than ssj goku , so i say goku , if u mean in the new version of smash aka beta probably black mage, i mean doesn't he summon a million hazards
I feel like the best UP-B HAS to be pyka like you could definitely play an entire set just by stalling with it abd jump cancelling on platforms. It’s a combo toll and an incredibly versatile recovery move and you can pretty mych just click the button if you don’t know how to answer a situation
I honestly would have gone with Simon N-air because... it's just so disjointed, combos into itself and all in all incredibly dumb LOL (this is coming from a casual). Anyways, great to see the SSF2 community is still alive and kicking. I enjoyed watching this video a lot, keep it up man
I don't follow the comp scene closely so idk how much it's used but i'm surprised black mage neutral b made it in here; i used to spam that move a lot when i played him lmao and i def missed 90% of the time
this is really dumb but i'm hoping one day samus down-b is suddenly buffed. i love using it lol wished it functioned like venom gg balls in terms of your opponent respecting/fearing getting hit by it idk
off the top of head from memory of this game , Best Side b is naruto , Best Down b is goku, Best Neutral b is pacman or ichigo, best up b is again pacman if the kit is right or maybe sonic, I don't think an aggressive up b like falcon is the best in this game , the mario bros fire ball also solid and mk tarnado for neutral b, very interesting and good video concept, Now what would best grab be a tether or regular grab hmmm, Imo would be pacman typa grab or link or samus safer and if u got naruto side b or some typa hitbox it sets it up, but a falcon grab works too Ig, is tether recovery in this game ?
@@Inari_YTalso I think a really cool idea for a video would be going over the top 1 or 2 players for each character. It would give a lot of people trying to get into the game a good resource for who to watch when trying to learn a character.
As the #1 Zelda hater I am upset you didn’t highlight how mashy Zelda’s d smash is, even moreso than Mario’s, and on par with it’s strength too (if I’m being real it probably is the best down smash in the game, if not that barely losing to Mario’s)
Also the funniest thing is that in the same set vs Klayn you talked about, there was a clip where I literally killed her off of up smash loops LMAO, and choosing to omit that makes me question your hatred of zelda
Also to clear up something that a lot of people get wrong, Zelda up smash actually is punishable by a lot of the cast, as it’s about -3 at best on shield, so it’s a free punish point blank. When spaced, it is harder to punish, especially for characters like Simon or chibi with bad oos, but if they ever let you get in that close that’s their own fault. Also it has a gap in between some of the hits that can let you hit her during it, but most people don’t do it cause they don’t know they can.
Imo zelda up smash not up where u put it, it's very slow, and I understand smash attacks shouldn't be spammed but its smash at the end of the day, the safer ones with good Killin like rayman fsmash better , i can't think of an up smash rn but I think Something classic like fox or mario can be considered best fsmash, or link but that's spicy Tho I understand your reasoning for why u think zelda is that spot fair enough
surprised you didnt mention black mage down b at all. that move is stupid. also i wouldnt call it the best by any means, but bomberman has a p good u-air
It probably is in a vacuum but wouldn’t be if u replaced some characters up bs with zss, as characters like bowser or bm get noticeably worse recoveries due to their air speeds. Though as a combo tool any character that doesn’t kill off the top early (and probably even some that do) would like zss up b better it also has a much bigger hitbox then gnw up b.
Nah ur def right. I made this a while ago and i was like holy isaac right there, but if i rerecord it my voice is gonna be way different. So i put some isaac footage there and wanted to see if anyone noticed 😅
@Inari_YT Honestly most of them I agree with though, and it's a good video. I was about to be mad if you didn't have gnw as the best up b though. One of the dumbest moves in the game
Funny thing about Sora’s dash attack: In the tester build for 1.2, the dash attack was really bad, and one of the testers, Sherwood, really hated it. They actually confirmed that’s why it was changed on their twitter
thats hillarious
Zelda up smash in this game is the most evil move ever created, and that's keeping in mind Ramlethal 5S, Aquaman Trident Rush, and Tremor Crystalline Armor exist.
THANK YOU
As part of a semi-competitive community in Latam (even though I only upload casual videos here) I'm glad to see that there is such a part of Smash Flash, it makes me feel like As part of a semi-competitive community in Latam (even though I only upload casual videos here) I'm happy to see that there is such a part of Smash Flash, it makes me very happy that channels like you exist, I hope one day to be able to participate in a tournament in the United States and continue to improve, but watching these videos and analyses, even if they are personal, motivates me to believe that there is something much bigger
thats really cool to hear and it means alot.
@@Inari_YT Keep on your path as a youtuber, dealing with these topics can make a slow but faithful path in the face of interests, I hope I can continue to see you soon, I will take a look at past videos as well, thanks, again
The best ssf2 move is pressing the exit button to close the game
based
basado
My friend who always rage quits after we fight heavily agrees.
Seriously, i did not know people actually play this game. This was always just the game you play for 2 hours when you are a little bored of an actual smash game, and then you just go back to smash.
it fun@@kayden2119
Jesus this made realize the devs LOVE safe killing,comboing disjointed moves.
Going into the video, I was expecting stuff like Zelda jab, Ichigo dash attack, and either Ichigo or Falcon forward air, but what you ended up selecting in those slots works even better lol. Didn't even know about the Krystal jab loops (memories of vanilla SSB4 Fox floods back).
3DS FOX JABS OH NO
@@Inari_YTis there a link for da game on PC like a new one if so could you please send it to me
I think i sent it in another comment u left but here it is again just in case www.supersmashflash.com/play/ssf2/downloads/@@johnjackson2243
We gonna get a worst moves counterpart? This vid was really good and I'd like to see your thoughts on that!
possibly!
Surprised Plum wasn't in consideration for down special, but I suppose it makes a lot more sense when you factor in that this is designed to be listed in a vacuum as you said, and Plum is designed with Ray's funny moves in mind so yeah Waft definitely is the most plausible pick.
down special so many fire options, but waft too broke
Isaac mentioned 👀
I'd say that his hand is more broken, I'm not talking about the tech; He can do (almost) endless loops up close with hand back and it also leads into vine or a smash attack. It's easy to initiate with down air or vine itself, so you can pull this off like, whenever.
Do consider that this list looks at moves in a vacuum, Isaac Hand at least with how you describe its uses is shown strength with other moves Isaac has. In the context of his kit, Hand is great, but others might not take that over ZSS or Krystal.
I see what you mean, I'll correct myself here, I enjoy watching Krystal and ZSS on tournaments and didn't mean to pit Isaac's side b with theirs (meant it needs more attention than his dair), so it's good. I'm surprised my boi even made it in here :')
Nah ur def right. I made this a while ago and i was like holy isaac right there, but if i rerecord it my voice is gonna be way different. So i put some isaac footage there and wanted to see if anyone noticed 😅
Love the MockRock inspired visuals! Excellent video!
Thx i tried my best 🙏
Sandbag’s ledge grab has to be here, it’s literally so OP
I'm a simple man. I see Inari video, I click Inari video
and thats why i love u
@@Inari_YT we love you inari n.n
If I had a nickel for every time the literal punching bag was a good character in a platform fighter, I'd have 2 nickels... which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
whats the other lol
@@Inari_YT Flash Party (mobile/PC w/ controller support), not as big of a cast and there's some P2W, but a fun game regardless
The fact that sora F-tilt has his hurtbox extended before the hitbox comes out, results in some goofy ahh interactions (like if you grab him before appears)
But is pretty useful against people who use autodash, so you can "read" them if the're running or shmoving to you.
i didnt even KNOW that oml
I’m so glad sandbag is getting love, I thought he was way better than other people on release. He’s my main in this game, so yknow.
hes really strong but has many weaknesses
@@Inari_YT
Oh definitely. But he’s heavy and if he stays on stage/mid stage he can be a menace. Especially some of his movement tech is pretty tricky.
Bandana Dee's down air is so underrated; that move can spike and kill you at a very low percentage.
surprisingly good landing tool too
The last time I played this was when Luffy came out, and I remember Falcon being my favorite since I always thought he was the most broken one, being able to kill you with any setup, even if his B's/specials aren't that good. Nice video! I enjoyed it:)
thank u so much!
I was literally just thinking of making this list the other day 😂 thank you for making it before me, I didn't wanna have to sit and think about it for half of my day
Lololololol
Just got home, very nice to see
would've honestly gone with simon uthrow instead of marth uthrow but i understand you just wanted to go through that one quickly so xd
great video
in all honesty its ryu
@@Inari_YT I feel like Ryu having a good upthrow is more because Ryu specifically gets so much out of it
@@king_alloy nah u gotta check how long they are in hitstun for its ridiculous, unless thats pre nerf
dude this shit makes me want to play ssf2 holy shit i didn’t realize how sick it is AND THEY HAVE RYU ATREET FIGHTER
He broken
@@Inari_YT wait fr thats so hype
babe wake up, new Inari video just dropped
I really like the new editing style keep it up!
thx thx, u best keep it up too
I wanna see what the devs do with goku
same
Ain’t nobody beating Goku 🗣️🔥💯
@@BathDemo i hope hes busted
(video idea) You could make a video of every character worst or best move in their move set
trueeee
Thas what I'm thinking
@inari collab?
I'd say Krystal has the best bair, I mean that thing is fast, combos, lingers, kills at high percents, is good in disadvantage, hits both sides, lingers, does your taxes, cleans your laundry.
If you aren't off stage, pressing bair on Krystal is usually a good idea
Nice to see that you're experimenting with your video editing.
My thoughts:
Cold Steel sound effects? Oh, we _gaming_ gaming. The vid's a bit oversaturated with them in the beginning, but you found some quality Jusis for them later on. Overall a welcome addition. +10 points
W music choices. +5 points
4:35 I needed you to use LeBron at the 2010 Miami Heat party here. Huge missed opportunity. -not 1, not 2, ... 3 points
9:48 Pixel gameplay? Unfortunate. -5 points
14:35 Yo, my Fox kinda cracked... +2 points
Great video!
Final score: Rean/10
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Awesome quality content love to see it
really cool to see a modern day video on ssf2 i thought it was like dead dead loll
Its truckin along
What about the characters best move. There are some that are obvious but then you have some like Luigi who has so many great moves it’s hard to choose the best one
Love the motion lines you drew on the mario silhouettes 😂 hmu if u want art for anything !!
UH YEAH
its been a while seen i caught up on ssf2 i havent played since they shadow dropped ganon
dw that was the last update that was pretty important to play
damn just finished the vid , super solid picks, i think waft takes too much time to be reliable so I Say goku or zss down b
Waddle Dee back air is so good, just more range would make it incredible
true that
this issue with this concept is this, every kit move works in sync and each other, mario with link fair would be busted , but falco with sheik fair maybe not busted but OP, whether the combo move or kill move is bair or fair is subjective, that's why this concept is difficult, falcon fair can be the best fair if this hypothetical best moves character has a combo aireal to set it up and or stun move , but a stun move benefits a character with kill moves more than a solo combo character , basically the only way for a list of best moves to he true is if u made different type letter combinations which would be infinite , idk why im ranting that was just my immediate thought when I saw this video title
Also, with Rayman's F-smash: It can combo and kill with side special as low as 30%-60%
honestly i'm surprided Luffy's side b wasn't mentioned in the side special section at all, Luffy's is a huge command grab that doubles as a tether recovery and we all know what happens when you hit it 💀
ACTUALLY TRUE STATEMENT
nice vid vid man, reaally enjoyed this one :D
Thank you so much 🙏
do more videos i love your content keep the good work
All my mains are on this list..... I dunno how I feel about that. Link, Lloyd, and Isaac....
Is Vapor just a Sora main now? Good for him! I know Yoshi did him well.
yea hes one of the best players out there now too
Good to know my main got at least second in a category
who u main?
Black mage
o yea close one@@miloweiss5201
As a more casual Smash player who doesn’t follow SSF2 all too much, I’m curious on who has the best Final Smash in this game
Video idea for sure
well before beta,its Super saiyan goku he's absolutely busted for no reason ninetails naruto is good but can get combed ,same with sonic, ichigo is worse than ssj goku , so i say goku , if u mean in the new version of smash aka beta probably black mage, i mean doesn't he summon a million hazards
I feel like the best UP-B HAS to be pyka like you could definitely play an entire set just by stalling with it abd jump cancelling on platforms. It’s a combo toll and an incredibly versatile recovery move and you can pretty mych just click the button if you don’t know how to answer a situation
pre nerf 100% but its become pretty dang reactable now (still fast tho)
maybe in 64
GnW Uair>>>>
Combos, big hitbox, windbox and can kill at low %
Good thing you didn't include Kaioken Goku because the video would become a Kaioken rant with some Kaioken clips playing in the background.
I honestly would have gone with Simon N-air because... it's just so disjointed, combos into itself and all in all incredibly dumb LOL (this is coming from a casual). Anyways, great to see the SSF2 community is still alive and kicking. I enjoyed watching this video a lot, keep it up man
Simon nair is for sure up there in broken nairs 😂
MOM WAKE UP, INARI JUST UPLOADED
now we need a mod that adds a character with all these moves
I WISH
bro decided to drop his annual video release
CHI$HIYA ILY
@@Inari_YT ily2 inari
i needed that fatherly support@@vigilantique
My main who appeared one time during this video (he was only there for the footage and not for the best move)
Ignarli I forgive u for dodging lethal company now that u uploaded
Not a single Yoshi move sadge... (Great video tho)
Yoshi bad 😰
i learn alot in this video thank u ! Great video !
Now somebody just needs to make a character with all these moves combined like Tcnick did for ultimate
I wish so bad
I don't follow the comp scene closely so idk how much it's used but i'm surprised black mage neutral b made it in here; i used to spam that move a lot when i played him lmao and i def missed 90% of the time
U knew before everyone…
Here from the UA-cam short
sexy
now all that needs to happen is someone make ssf2 george
Dam i thought black mages nair would get it
that is also a really good pick
Would it be cool if they added little mac and doctor Mario in this
ssf2 little mac would cook so hard
Good video! But How about best move for every characters?
I play ssf2 with my friends and play goku and spam back air with goku cuz it kills across the stage at 120%
10/10 goated video
You forgot best pummel. How will we survive 😭😭
Its over for me 😖
this is really dumb but i'm hoping one day samus down-b is suddenly buffed. i love using it lol
wished it functioned like venom gg balls in terms of your opponent respecting/fearing getting hit by it idk
I was featured so many times in this video ... I'm famous
but not one move...
Sick video.
were ichigo's, naruto's or luffy's side B at least honorable mentions?
off the top of head from memory of this game , Best Side b is naruto , Best Down b is goku, Best Neutral b is pacman or ichigo, best up b is again pacman if the kit is right or maybe sonic, I don't think an aggressive up b like falcon is the best in this game , the mario bros fire ball also solid and mk tarnado for neutral b, very interesting and good video concept, Now what would best grab be a tether or regular grab hmmm, Imo would be pacman typa grab or link or samus safer and if u got naruto side b or some typa hitbox it sets it up, but a falcon grab works too Ig, is tether recovery in this game ?
Theres only 2 tethers which is link and samus and samus is 20x better
@@Inari_YT ahh interesting didn't know they had different stats
@@IIIISai its just bigger and stays out longer
i have a question, where are you able to play this game? i remember playing it on adobe flash but that was discontinued sadly
U can just download it on the mcleod website
k ty
@@crmobjack3242 yeye
YEIII NEW VIDEO :)
Dub Video, Dub Takes
(Sandbag down-smash can also pay your taxes btw
HOL UP
You forgot about Pummels!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOOOOOOOOL
Maybe wario
How do you feel about Pichu's Specials after he gets his buff?
they arent too too broken, maybe up b tho.
@@Inari_YT I was lowkey thinking Up-B…
yeye@@keyssb1027
@@Inari_YTalso I think a really cool idea for a video would be going over the top 1 or 2 players for each character. It would give a lot of people trying to get into the game a good resource for who to watch when trying to learn a character.
You forgot taunts the real moves that matter
truuuuuuuuu
man
Long time no see
@@Inari_YTyup
As the #1 Zelda hater I am upset you didn’t highlight how mashy Zelda’s d smash is, even moreso than Mario’s, and on par with it’s strength too (if I’m being real it probably is the best down smash in the game, if not that barely losing to Mario’s)
Also the funniest thing is that in the same set vs Klayn you talked about, there was a clip where I literally killed her off of up smash loops LMAO, and choosing to omit that makes me question your hatred of zelda
no way thats real looooooool@@DaysonTop
ua-cam.com/video/xDk2vmuyh1A/v-deo.htmlsi=TWNKjfoFdQ8NcygB 5:29
Also to clear up something that a lot of people get wrong, Zelda up smash actually is punishable by a lot of the cast, as it’s about -3 at best on shield, so it’s a free punish point blank. When spaced, it is harder to punish, especially for characters like Simon or chibi with bad oos, but if they ever let you get in that close that’s their own fault. Also it has a gap in between some of the hits that can let you hit her during it, but most people don’t do it cause they don’t know they can.
its still pretty safe@@DaysonTop
Imo zelda up smash not up where u put it, it's very slow, and I understand smash attacks shouldn't be spammed but its smash at the end of the day, the safer ones with good Killin like rayman fsmash better , i can't think of an up smash rn but I think Something classic like fox or mario can be considered best fsmash, or link but that's spicy Tho I understand your reasoning for why u think zelda is that spot fair enough
U gotta trust with the zelda pick
surprised you didnt mention black mage down b at all. that move is stupid.
also i wouldnt call it the best by any means, but bomberman has a p good u-air
is this inspired by mockrock
yeye
Ok but... What's the best *TAUNT?*
GOT U
ua-cam.com/users/shortskVqJ7j9KMMU
Real
I main chibi robo tho
Zss up b is better then gaming watch
maybe
It probably is in a vacuum but wouldn’t be if u replaced some characters up bs with zss, as characters like bowser or bm get noticeably worse recoveries due to their air speeds. Though as a combo tool any character that doesn’t kill off the top early (and probably even some that do) would like zss up b better it also has a much bigger hitbox then gnw up b.
Where is the game now?
www.supersmashflash.com/play/ssf2/downloads/
Waterwave is better than waft and it is not a contest
nope!
0:43 SONG NAME PLIS
@@ReliexV neon colosseum
puff nair
this is objectively correct
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL@@nicholasparra9320
Thompson Angela Gonzalez Angela Walker Sandra
Is there a link
if your asking for the link to ssf2 here it is. www.supersmashflash.com/play/ssf2/downloads/
@@Inari_YT thanks bro
Wait did u forget zair
LINK
@@Inari_YT >:( say sike rn
4:10 uhh what??? Who the fuck is saying zss?
Also Krystal side b is better
Nah ur def right. I made this a while ago and i was like holy isaac right there, but if i rerecord it my voice is gonna be way different. So i put some isaac footage there and wanted to see if anyone noticed 😅
@Inari_YT Honestly most of them I agree with though, and it's a good video. I was about to be mad if you didn't have gnw as the best up b though. One of the dumbest moves in the game
im sayin lol@@gunslinger9786
optimized Zelda side-b gives me nightmares
No offense but people still play this game?!?!?!?!?!
Sadly the most fun smash game 😢
@@Inari_YT where can I get this game?
www.supersmashflash.com/play/ssf2/downloads/@@bonkai09
@@Inari_YT thx I miss this game so much since I was a kid
@@bonkai09 nostalgia dive time!