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  • @EggBastion
    @EggBastion 5 років тому +480

    Trying to 'recommend' a film by calling it clickbait, now _that's_ a gamble.

  • @battleupsaber462
    @battleupsaber462 5 років тому +1144

    My Dad GHOSTED me at the other end of the SOLAR SYSTEM?!?!??!(NOT CLICKBAIT)

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 5 років тому +86

      You won't believe how many people died so that Brad Pitt could reconnect with humanity. #6 will shock you!

    • @IdanShir
      @IdanShir 5 років тому +7

      I adore this comment like a cool older brother

    • @ztj95
      @ztj95 5 років тому +1

      Hahahahaha gold

    • @killergoose7643
      @killergoose7643 5 років тому +10

      (GONE SEXUAL)

    • @sneb3004
      @sneb3004 5 років тому

      Thats Just ONE LAYER of the trailer+movie 'commonality'...
      Other layers could be considered as clickbait... if the movie was really not "Action Heavy" as trailers suggested

  • @RafidW9
    @RafidW9 5 років тому +724

    I'm still salty about blade runner 2049 flopping. That movie is still so memorable.

    • @phoenixfunny4517
      @phoenixfunny4517 5 років тому +29

      All the people bitching about "no good movies" or no "original films" and such didn't go check it out. I know it's a sequel but it's mostly new characters and so far removed from the original

    • @butterchuggins5409
      @butterchuggins5409 5 років тому +1

      Shit film.

    • @TheNinetySecond
      @TheNinetySecond 5 років тому +18

      @@phoenixfunny4517 Complaining about "no original films" when talking about Villeneuve is the height of hypocrisy. Villeneuve is one of maybe two dozen film makers who can make movies based only on their names. He's also at the very top of that small pool, along with Tarantino, Wright and Nolan, and will likely stay there for a long time, considering the consistent quality of his output. Spending money on these few creators instead of superhero movies is literally the only way to influence Hollywood to go back to original films.
      I think the reason why these movies flop is because damage has already been done - film buffs don't wanna go to the cinema anymore, because it's mostly only unoriginal and uninspired movies. The superhero crowd is still spending its money, but the disillusioned critical crowd is much more hesitant to do so. We gotta be a profitable market in order to change the culture, and that means putting money in the hands of those executives who are basically holding the art hostage until we outspend everyone else.

    • @georgevelis4651
      @georgevelis4651 5 років тому +11

      @@butterchuggins5409 are you trolling?

    • @butterchuggins5409
      @butterchuggins5409 5 років тому +2

      George Velis Nope. I turned it off when Harrison Ford showed up and attempted to act. Shit director, shit cast, shit screenplay, shit sound, shit editing. Shit film.

  • @anaveragefilmmaker1422
    @anaveragefilmmaker1422 5 років тому +1919

    Blade Runner 2049 being a flop hurts

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 5 років тому +147

      The sad thing is, $250m was actually a very respectable take, for highbrow sci-fi. The problem was that it was pretty expensive to start with, and then had an absolutely absurd marketing budget - unrealistically so, most likely. I mean, did they really need to hire goddamn Shinichiro Watanabe to make a promotional anime tie-in film? If they'd kept the marketing more reasonable, it probably would have at least broke even.

    • @Wired4Life2
      @Wired4Life2 5 років тому +44

      The studios overrestimated the audience ready to receive the belated sequel.

    • @radicalempire6599
      @radicalempire6599 5 років тому +71

      +$110M is still a profit. It did pretty well world wide in my opinion. But I honestly hate blockbusters. To me it's just sell out movies. A crowd pleaser, designed to make money. I love that Denis Villeneuve was true to his style and Warner Bros. backed him up. It's not a perfect movie. But it's at least something unique.

    • @anaveragefilmmaker1422
      @anaveragefilmmaker1422 5 років тому +9

      @@radicalempire6599 Wasn't really asking for your opinion, but thanks.

    • @neonatalpenguin
      @neonatalpenguin 5 років тому +36

      I think the studio thought that Blade Runner was a nostalgic cash cow for 80s/90s kids, like Star Wars or Alien. It isn't.

  • @FilmThought
    @FilmThought 5 років тому +725

    Moral of the story : don't watch trailers.

    • @anaveragefilmmaker1422
      @anaveragefilmmaker1422 5 років тому +15

      Well of course you could watch them, but take it with a grain of salt.

    • @Alia-bc3rc
      @Alia-bc3rc 5 років тому +18

      Trailers are getting worse anyway. Not because of the mis-marketing. They somehow become even more spoiler-y than cinemasins videos.

    • @anaveragefilmmaker1422
      @anaveragefilmmaker1422 5 років тому

      @@Alia-bc3rc not always

    • @BGcam
      @BGcam 5 років тому

      It’s amazing to me how bad movie studios are at cutting trailers when there’s countless hobbyist youtube channels putting out amazing ones and you have low budget tv production crews like Adult Swim who’ve been showing them how to cut a decent trailer for over a decade.

    • @dkg6826
      @dkg6826 5 років тому +1

      An Average Joe Filmmaker Tell that to the outaged fans who saw IT COMES AT NIGHT trailers! 🤣

  • @komal146
    @komal146 5 років тому +182

    Drive, first man, 2049. Ryan goslings movies reflect his image. Marketed as heartthrob , but acts in substantial stories (weird ones too)

    • @holycowbatman10
      @holycowbatman10 5 років тому +6

      Only God Forgives

    • @Cemo123321
      @Cemo123321 4 роки тому +2

      yeah the weird ones are all the Winding Refn films aha

    • @Enzaio
      @Enzaio 4 роки тому +4

      Lars And The Real Girl.

    • @ss2gora0
      @ss2gora0 4 роки тому +1

      The Notebook

    • @ernestolombardo5811
      @ernestolombardo5811 4 роки тому +2

      So like Brad Pitt, then.

  • @no-man_baugh
    @no-man_baugh 5 років тому +407

    I am slightly disappointed you didn’t include 2007’s “MOON” into the Sadstronaut Club, if only because I think it deserves all the attention it can get

  • @goodial
    @goodial 5 років тому +107

    Concerning Annihilation: It also flopped at the box office because they made a deal with Netflix for most markets, markets that therefore didn't get to see the movies in cinema

    • @MrSnaztastic
      @MrSnaztastic 4 роки тому +3

      Still pissed off about that one. Was legitimately interested to go see it, til I realized it was digital-only and not only that but delayed release digital-only. Ex Machina did fine, weird that the producers got cold feet. Or maybe they're laughing all the way to the bank with Netflix money whilst just putting on a sad face in public.

  • @Deathbynature89
    @Deathbynature89 5 років тому +125

    THE SAME HAPPENED WITH DRIVE!
    They marketed it like an R-rated Fast and Furious with that guy from the Notebook.

    • @radicalempire6599
      @radicalempire6599 5 років тому +17

      Still an awesome movie.

    • @Deathbynature89
      @Deathbynature89 5 років тому +1

      @@radicalempire6599 Oh yeah totes, I love it so much.

    • @nicanornunez9787
      @nicanornunez9787 5 років тому +3

      Yes and how about the next one, the one Johnny Drive is a muay Thai teacher and his brother gets killed (after raping a child) by a crooked cop that is also God and sing ballads in muay Thai lenguage.

    • @fahim102
      @fahim102 3 роки тому

      @@nicanornunez9787 Isn't that "Only God Forgives"?

  • @ajking913
    @ajking913 5 років тому +60

    Scifi clickbait is a serious problem for the genre. It’s disappointing, frustrating for everyone involved, including the fans of the genre. The greater disservice this type of mis-marketing does, is that it brands the genre with failure, so while scifi is an underserved market, studios don’t seem to want to bank on scifi outside of established brands.
    Passengers had the same problem (ignoring the creepy parts of the storyline).

  • @Kurzula5150
    @Kurzula5150 5 років тому +134

    If there's two things I've learned in life:
    1 never get out of the boat
    2 never watch the trailer

    • @davegrenier1160
      @davegrenier1160 5 років тому +4

      Absolutely, goddamn never.

    • @dark7mark
      @dark7mark 5 років тому +1

      but Guts got off the boat...

    • @DeanNoble14748
      @DeanNoble14748 5 років тому +2

      He split from the whole fucking program. How did that happen? What did he see on his first tour?

    • @jothishprabu8
      @jothishprabu8 4 роки тому +1

      A trailer has to be well Constructed. It has to be short(

  • @Tobiddy
    @Tobiddy 5 років тому +282

    Watching this made me very interested in how they’ll attempt to market Villeneuve’s Dune (2020)

    • @TheStarBlack
      @TheStarBlack 5 років тому +15

      Yep. That's hugely risky source material when you look at what happened with previous versions. I can't wait for it but then I'm not your average cinema goer!

    • @francesconicoletti2547
      @francesconicoletti2547 5 років тому +27

      There is a chosen one story buried in Dune. It would not be a lie to put that in the trailer.

    • @fifthcolumn388
      @fifthcolumn388 5 років тому +9

      Wait Villaneuve is directing? Now I’m hype.

    • @rolanddeschain6089
      @rolanddeschain6089 4 роки тому +12

      To be fair, in Dune there is a lot of spectacle. However, it is not omnipresent in the story and not the heart of the story.
      I think they would do well to sell it as a big, epic fantasy movie with no special focus on action.

    • @francesconicoletti2547
      @francesconicoletti2547 4 роки тому +14

      Roland Deschain people have just sat through 7 seasons of games of thrones just sell it as games of thrones.... in spaaaaceee!!!!

  • @Alia-bc3rc
    @Alia-bc3rc 5 років тому +164

    *The Sadstronaut Club*
    I need that on a t-shirt. Complete with parody of close-ups pictures of a brooding astronaut with blank stare. And lens flares.

    • @ShatteredGlass916
      @ShatteredGlass916 4 роки тому +2

      Don't forget the moon image taking 1/4 of the pic, or even a small Spacestation

  • @Shoebill
    @Shoebill 5 років тому +116

    Sadstronaut sounds like a Radiohead track

    • @gutar5675
      @gutar5675 4 роки тому +1

      That's their new album

  • @CunningCondor
    @CunningCondor 5 років тому +85

    Sandra Bullock and George Clooney went to space.
    Matthew McConaughey went to space.
    Matt Damon went to space.
    Brad Pitt went to space.
    When’s Gilbert Gottfried going to space?

  • @masonlove1264
    @masonlove1264 5 років тому +97

    I didn’t like Ad Astra, even with minimal expectations. I felt it was trying to be smart without putting in the effort to do so. All of the subtext is given through hamfisted monologue, lots of the scenes are stupid, and the film introduces characters that are unable to be invested in.

    • @NikLikesThings
      @NikLikesThings 5 років тому +24

      Absolutely this.

    • @GeneraluStelaru
      @GeneraluStelaru 4 роки тому +15

      True, I didn't notice the main character developing. Was his increasing pulse a sign of character development? I dunno...

    • @masonlove1264
      @masonlove1264 4 роки тому +11

      Generalu Stelaru I was more thinking about characters being booted from the story before actual development could occur and the Protagonist’s wife being thrown in throughout the last 10 minutes of the film.

    • @raluca8112
      @raluca8112 4 роки тому +7

      I agree completely

    • @ChicanoCreator
      @ChicanoCreator 4 роки тому +8

      Agreed 100%. And the narration was absolutely dreadful.

  • @surrealducks
    @surrealducks 5 років тому +16

    1:50 but there wasn’t much of an intellectual hand to hold because it didn’t have a lot of meaty ideas. It just felt kind of soulless.

    • @davidlean1060
      @davidlean1060 2 роки тому

      Blank canvas film making..it's rampant these days and the worrying thing is people fall for it!! The thing is, when there is something generally interesting in a film, modern film watchers will tell you 'you're reading too much into that'!

  • @osa7310
    @osa7310 5 років тому +189

    “AD” Astra am I right???
    I’ll Leave now...

    • @holyflutterofgod
      @holyflutterofgod 5 років тому +2

      Alternative video title: 'Ad Astra and the bad "Sad Astranaut"-not-ads.'

    • @Joshua_23
      @Joshua_23 5 років тому

      it means space adventure thingy in Latin pretty sure

    • @Joshua_23
      @Joshua_23 5 років тому

      @The Tiger Legionnaire r/woooosh

    • @dariannnnnn
      @dariannnnnn 5 років тому

      @@Joshua_23 did u just whosh yourself

    • @ernestolombardo5811
      @ernestolombardo5811 4 роки тому

      More like "SAD" Astra.

  • @aminsennour5571
    @aminsennour5571 5 років тому +25

    I think they lost the “ high brow” audience by going for this strat. I wrote this film off as a Garbo interstellar knockoff

    • @Cherokeechuck9
      @Cherokeechuck9 5 років тому +9

      The high brow audience would hate this because they've seen actual good thought provoking science fiction films. Ad astra is made for people that say a film with a killer baboon getting exploded by Brad pitt and using a nuclear explosion to propel a spaceship to near light speed is "apocalypse now in space." Or how about the scene where brad pitt 'tucker and dale vs evil' style has a bunch of people commit suicide around him and he's blamed for their "murders." Faux deep movie with no actual substance that spells out every theme with horrible tacked on narration because the studio thought it would make more sense. It has some decent set pieces but some of the serious scenes are borderline laugh out loud worthy.

    • @aminsennour5571
      @aminsennour5571 5 років тому +5

      @@Cherokeechuck9 have you actually seen the film?

    • @Cherokeechuck9
      @Cherokeechuck9 5 років тому +5

      @@aminsennour5571 I just described in detail 3 separate scenes in the movie. What do you think einstein

    • @aminsennour5571
      @aminsennour5571 5 років тому +4

      Tucker Goldston I’ll never understand what force causes people to be so rude on this platform. Like, what prevents you from just being civil?

    • @Cherokeechuck9
      @Cherokeechuck9 5 років тому +4

      @@aminsennour5571 what prevents you from using common sense? Why would I lie about a boring space movie I unfortunately paid money to see cause I was bored

  • @Prince_Luci
    @Prince_Luci 5 років тому +19

    This video made me want to watch bladerunner 2049 again.

  • @NickOwens
    @NickOwens 5 років тому +56

    I remember watching the trailers thinking it was going to be more of a sci-fi adventure than a meditative film. But after looking at the director's previous films I went in a lot more open minded, especially after reading the reviews comparing it to films like '2001: A Space Odyssey' and 'Apocalypse Now' rather than 'Star Trek' or 'The Martian'.
    This is a great video. I always find it interesting when more intellectual/artistic films are marketed to general audiences and this video explains it perfectly.

    • @gabrielmendez5561
      @gabrielmendez5561 5 років тому +7

      Nick Owens the only difference between this movie and 2001 and Apocalypse Now is those movies actually have a point, this had none, it is absent of any substance at all

    • @happy583xox
      @happy583xox 4 роки тому +1

      Comparing ad Astra to those two movies is like comparing a fun size bag of skittles to a full course seafood buffet.

    • @sharierhazari7201
      @sharierhazari7201 4 роки тому +1

      @@gabrielmendez5561 It was about isolation and existentialism. Man's search for meaning ventures him into outer space and when he can't find it he becomes nihilistic. Also explores the protagonists relationship with his father. A bit of commentary on the greed of human nature, for example people fighting over resources on the moon.

    • @ss2gora0
      @ss2gora0 4 роки тому

      Basically, the 2 seconds of action you get in this movie were played in the trailer OVER EPIC TRAILER MUSIC

  • @UltimateKyuubiFox
    @UltimateKyuubiFox 5 років тому +28

    Interstellar had brilliant marketing because of the music alone. The music in the first trailer conveys everything about the movie in a perfectly marketable way-It’s somber, it’s lilting, yet it’s evocative.
    I think the best play for studios marketing ‘high-brow’ fare is not to lie about its intentions, but create trailers which capture the tone of the film while giving it so much panache and flair that you can’t help but be drawn to it. I mean, fuck, that’s what Joker did with its marketing and that worked amazingly for them. Ya know what people love? Feeling smart. Tell viewers they’re about to see a smart movie that’s so damn interesting their face is gonna melt off.

    • @ss2gora0
      @ss2gora0 4 роки тому +3

      Inception case and point? or was that too smart..

    • @UltimateKyuubiFox
      @UltimateKyuubiFox 3 роки тому

      allisrevealed233 Inception is the perfect example.

    • @davidlean1060
      @davidlean1060 2 роки тому

      They even managed to con a generation into thinking Nolan was a modern day Kubrick!! Next to the cigarette companies convincing people that smoking was sexy, that's the greatest marketing con of the las 100 years!

  • @hugo59208
    @hugo59208 5 років тому +13

    I remeember a once upon a time in hollywood commercial that implied the movie would be all about cliff booth and rick dalton killing hippies for two hours(i would watch that but thats not what the movie is about)

  • @Fungamerplays
    @Fungamerplays 5 років тому +50

    I want a "The Sadstronaut Club" T-shirt

  • @drastickej
    @drastickej 5 років тому +12

    Arrival was one of the best sci-fi movies in last 10 years but trailer was SO clickbaity :D

  • @erikbentley9005
    @erikbentley9005 4 роки тому +6

    I really liked Ad Astra tbh, shame it got so mismarketed

  • @JoshuaFagan
    @JoshuaFagan 5 років тому +6

    I'm glad you mentioned Annihilation. For both films, I have to wonder what kind of dark magic the directors used to convince studios to spend upwards of 50 million dollars on them. It's wild. I love both films, but they aren't exactly popcorn entertainment.

  • @tvdjeda
    @tvdjeda 5 років тому +18

    that marketing strayegy made me not watch the movie

  • @DarklordofDOOM57
    @DarklordofDOOM57 5 років тому +61

    We had so many sadstronaut movies lately and Ad Astra is really not one of the better ones. Great visuals, but the horrible naration and shallow exposition really ruined it for me.

    • @saltylad2107
      @saltylad2107 5 років тому +15

      I agree. The story was very weak and the dialogue was pretty awful. I really don't understand why so many people like it.

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 5 років тому +10

      Same here. And I was even with it through the first two acts, but as soon as he reached Neptune, it all fell apart. Both the plot and the emotional payoffs were so weak that it made the entire movie feel pointless to me. Rarely has the word "anti-climactic" seemed more appropriate. Especially within context of how many people died or threw away their careers during the course of the journey!

    • @abecallard442
      @abecallard442 5 років тому +1

      Exactly

    • @gabrielmendez5561
      @gabrielmendez5561 5 років тому +9

      Thank god, the mere idea that this mediocrity could be compared to movies like BR 2049, in my opinion a masterpiece, is absurd

    • @MrScarecrow24
      @MrScarecrow24 5 років тому +8

      I don't understand why the awful narrating hasn't annoying more people. I couldn't stand it.

  • @jasonblalock4429
    @jasonblalock4429 5 років тому +17

    Speaking of Clooney, he was also part of what I consider to be the WORST "bluff" marketing ever: "Three Kings." (Anyone remember that one?) In reality, it was an absolutely scathing critique of Gulf War I and of US interventionism in general, presented as a parable about a bunch of army guys who go rogue trying to steal Iraqi gold. But it was marketed as a fun George Clooney comedic romp in the desert. Because, you know, the US screwing the Kurds is funny. Ha. Ha. Ha. (~~sigh~~)
    So those who turned out based on the marketing expecting a comedy were absolutely horrified by what they saw and hated it, while in the meantime, those who would have appreciated the movie stayed away in droves because the marketing made it look completely disrespectful and tone-deaf. It wasn't until it hit DVD that it even started to be seen.

    • @area51pictures
      @area51pictures 5 років тому +2

      Yeah but three kings is fucking dope. No way that movie would have infiltrated the box office had it been marketed as transgressive as it really was. One must seduce the paying audience sometimes with the promise of a lie, in order to expose them to something else, something better.

    • @deadNightwatchman
      @deadNightwatchman 5 років тому +2

      Three Kings was great. I only remember the movie, not the trailer. So, "mission accomplished", in a way?

    • @area51pictures
      @area51pictures 5 років тому +1

      @@deadNightwatchman tru dat

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 5 років тому +4

      @@area51pictures That sort of bait-and-switch rarely works. People almost always just get pissed off when they go to a movie expecting A and it turns out to be B instead. It was a box office flop, so it's not like everyone ran out to tell people about this amazing movie they discovered. That only happened after it hit home video. And even today, it's not like it's a particularly well-known film except among political geeks.
      (Another good example: Ricky Gervais' "The Invention of Lying." Not too many people were happy to discover that what they thought was a cute silly romcom was actually an anti-religion screed, something none of the trailers so much as hinted at. Hell, it annoyed me and I'm not even religious, just because I felt like I'd been tricked into listening to someone's /r/atheist rant. And it also didn't do terribly well in the box office.)

    • @ss2gora0
      @ss2gora0 4 роки тому

      @@jasonblalock4429 honestly, you just sound bitter about movies in general

  • @VIK_1903
    @VIK_1903 5 років тому +92

    That's great and all, but you forgot the greatest of all:
    Moon (2009)

    • @rocky8838
      @rocky8838 5 років тому +8

      Moon had a budget of $5 million and grossed $9.8 million at the box office and I'm sure it made more in the last decade through home video sales/streams.

    • @VIK_1903
      @VIK_1903 5 років тому +1

      @@rocky8838 Hopefully!

    • @rolanddeschain6089
      @rolanddeschain6089 4 роки тому +1

      Right.
      They had Blade Runner 2049 in the list so I guess it's not just stuff that's all in space.
      So I would throw Ex Machina in the bucket.

    • @ss2gora0
      @ss2gora0 4 роки тому

      @@rolanddeschain6089 Indie movie. That was the relative budget Moon was made and therefore marketed for. So it doesn't fall under "clickbait Sadstronaut" . Love the movie though for sure

  • @fgryson
    @fgryson 5 років тому +6

    It's a very long cologne ad in space.

  • @jothishprabu8
    @jothishprabu8 4 роки тому +4

    A trailer has to be well Constructed. It has to be short(

  • @amosbehavedcalm
    @amosbehavedcalm 5 років тому +3

    This essay apparently also consists the list of Gravity success-inspired sci-fi productions since 2013.

  • @mikibla1
    @mikibla1 5 років тому +29

    The worst case of false advertising since "the never ending story".

  • @didsheaskaboutme
    @didsheaskaboutme 4 роки тому +1

    Drive had a similar marketing treatment. It was portrayed as a action car movie, but it was actually a quiet art house film.

  • @Jimbo55151
    @Jimbo55151 5 років тому +4

    Never forget that passengers, a sci-fi love story, was marketed as some big epic conspiracy film in space

  • @BjornCanute
    @BjornCanute 5 років тому +18

    "...prioritizes intelligence and ideas over action..." There was very little intelligence that went into that clusterfuck.

    • @MoonManPictures
      @MoonManPictures 2 роки тому

      Finally I found some reason in the comments. I was fully expecting a rather moody slow space film and that's what it is. Only it's rather stupid. It's science is bad and the plot is extremely weak.

  • @moviewookie6580
    @moviewookie6580 5 років тому +3

    What happened to me was the complete opposite. Didn't watch any trailers, went in expecting a medititative film based on the film's poster and the director's past work, and I was completely caught off guard by all action thriller sequences in the first half. For some reason, the action scenes felt jarring and out of place to me and prevented from fully loving this movie. Guess expectations do have an effect on perception.

  • @ryanpratama5635
    @ryanpratama5635 5 років тому +5

    My friend asked me to watch Ad Astra together. The reason she want to watch it because Brad Pitt was there. I was bit reluctant since my expectation on Ad Astra was really low. Even after watch the trailer, I was doubtful that Ad Astra will be any good.
    Well, honestly, it isn't so bad. If Royal Ocean Film Society said it was sadstronaut's story, then I would say Ad Astra is a space depression story. The film gives off a lot of depressing feelings. A man who gradually feels like a robot and a father who become obsessive with his mission. Maybe because of it that this movies left an impression on me.

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 5 років тому +12

    This is why "Never Trust a Trailer" is a thing. #TheSadstronautClub

  • @cuentadeyoutube5903
    @cuentadeyoutube5903 5 років тому +20

    I didn't like Ad Astra. I didn't feel it had anything interesting/new to say. And it took too long to (not) say it.

    • @Cherokeechuck9
      @Cherokeechuck9 5 років тому +1

      The thing to say is...humanity is good. Be nice to each other. Very profound, really makes you think

    • @jothishprabu8
      @jothishprabu8 4 роки тому +2

      It's about Relationships you Idiot. It tells how a Man Gets so lost in his job that he doesn't spend enough time with his wife and children.

  • @ADSheehan
    @ADSheehan 5 років тому +13

    I wasn't even upset at the lack of the action I was promised. I didn't like the lack of sci-fi. What stuck out to me in the trailers were implications like Roy surviving his fall because of the Surge, or "Your father was experimenting with a highly classified material." "The answers we seek are just beyond our reach." All this promises some very interesting sci-fi concepts, but what we're left with could've been told just as well on an 19th century whaling vessel or a medieval journey into the heart of Asia.
    I think this is my issue with a great deal of "genre" fiction told by art house directors. It somewhat hijacks the genre many people have worked decades to build. I felt the same way about Joker. It could've just as easily been called "The Clown" and set in 1980 New York. But if you set it in "Gotham," with "Thomas Wayne," as a supporting character, people come into it with a different expectation. In the end, the genre has no consequence on the story. So yes, we can and should blame the marketing, but there's a deeper root, too.

    • @joeschmoegames
      @joeschmoegames 5 років тому +6

      I'd argue that the wonder of using genre fiction like this is it allows for democratization of arthouse ideas in a form that is more easily digestible by larger audiences. Octavia Butler was lauded for her work in sci-fi literature in the 80s because she used the wrappings of genre fiction to talk about disenfranchised peoples, which brought those ideas to a different audience.

    • @HungryTacoBoy
      @HungryTacoBoy 4 роки тому

      What partially got me excited about Ad Astra was James Gray's previous film, The Lost City of Z, which is much more in line with your "19th century whaling vessel" or a "medieval journey into the heart of Asia" since it's the exploration of the Amazon by Percy Fawcett in the early 20th century.

  • @popflicktionedits3256
    @popflicktionedits3256 3 роки тому +4

    This is so true, I have nothing against intellectual movies, I in fact enjoy them, but I went to that cinema for the blockbuster I was promised, it was wrong of them to do that, they should've found an intellectual audience and stop trying to lie to Michael Bay drones, you feel me?

  • @theeab1993
    @theeab1993 5 років тому +2

    I just hope that they continue making these big budget space films. They're always a treat to watch

  • @thestudentofficial5483
    @thestudentofficial5483 5 років тому +3

    *Sadstronaut
    There's never a more accurate description for Planetes

  • @EthnHayabusa
    @EthnHayabusa 5 років тому +5

    Soderbergh’s Solaris is so under appreciated. Love it.

    • @elfsieben1450
      @elfsieben1450 4 роки тому +1

      So was Tarkovski's Solaris. But both adaptations focused on the Kelvin storyline. Lem's novel has much more to offer, namely the science that did lead to the astronauts going up there in the first place. The book is true science fiction in that it explores both inner space and outer space, the individual psychology of the protagonist and the collective sociology of the academic science community, the macro- and the micro-cosm of humanity.

    • @lamecasuelas2
      @lamecasuelas2 3 роки тому

      @@elfsieben1450 and so Is the Made for TV versión.....or maybe not, i haven't seen It

  • @ricorex1698
    @ricorex1698 5 років тому +1

    Sadstranout is going to be my new favorite term to describe these movies now

  • @elfsieben1450
    @elfsieben1450 4 роки тому +2

    "Ad Astra" is basically "The Tree of Life" dressed up in an "Apocalypse Now!" camouflage pattern and set in space.

  • @Baltasar88
    @Baltasar88 5 років тому +25

    The movie wasn't that good either. Everything could have been solve from earth. Besides that, the movie not letting you think and explaining everything to you was a waste...

    • @Baltasar88
      @Baltasar88 4 роки тому

      @@andrewwood763 What are you talking about?

    • @Baltasar88
      @Baltasar88 4 роки тому

      @@andrewwood763 Ad Astra? yes, what is let me go?

    • @Baltasar88
      @Baltasar88 4 роки тому

      @@andrewwood763 oh!!! I see! Lol, sorry I haven't had that present. Yeah, it didn't make any sense.

  • @miab-p6874
    @miab-p6874 3 роки тому +4

    Ironically, the trailer made me not want to watch the movie. I just watched Ad Astra yesterday and it was way better than anything I had expected.

  • @jameswood4676
    @jameswood4676 5 років тому +1

    I will never tire of sadstronaut films

  • @highwind1991
    @highwind1991 5 років тому +29

    Ad Astra is terrific, one of the best films I've seen in a while. To see it flop like the also great First Man and Blade Runner 2049 breaks my heart. Look the general public isn't the brightest but they're not as dumb as you think Hollywood

    • @Johnathanlovesashley4L
      @Johnathanlovesashley4L 4 роки тому

      Movie was terrible ... Your delusional

    • @mnmarler
      @mnmarler 4 роки тому

      Definitely agree. Ad Astra is fantastic and is one of my go to introspective sci fi films. It's sad so many great sci fi films are flopping, it's gonna encourage more Fast and Furious/comic book type movies that we're getting too much of these days.

    • @davidlean1060
      @davidlean1060 2 роки тому

      ah now! I reckon 90% plus went to BR49 already fans of the original and they were underwhelmed and never went to watch it again. I love the original, spent money on going to the cinema to see BR49 (twice in fact) and eventually, I just had to admit to myself that the film kinda sucked. I have tried watching it since and it underwhelms me every time. Sometimes the customer is perfectly correct!

  • @johnpaulsylvester3727
    @johnpaulsylvester3727 5 років тому +5

    Space is a big thing these days. Instead of that action-filled trailer, they should’ve just said it’s Brad Pitt
    IIIIIIIIIIIIIN
    SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!

    • @HungryTacoBoy
      @HungryTacoBoy 4 роки тому

      I thought you wrote "Space is big these days" and I was thinking, "Ya don't say?"

  • @Cevasho
    @Cevasho 4 роки тому +1

    the same happened to Drive, people expected an action film and they found a very intelligent film so it flopped

  • @Thacarshee
    @Thacarshee 4 роки тому

    Ad Astra is a very slow movie which impacts on the soul of a person who has lost their dad and in the end there's no use of finding them and lost his hope.This also shows that hope can take you into deep into the far abyss to find nothing but affection

  • @cliffordodell5024
    @cliffordodell5024 5 років тому +23

    Does this guy know that First Man isn’t sci fi?

    • @simonegreco1958
      @simonegreco1958 4 роки тому +5

      Gravity ain't sci-fi either

    • @chrisi29
      @chrisi29 4 роки тому +1

      thats the great thing about first man, it feels like sci fi, but then you realize all of that actually happened!

    • @MachoMan_Vert
      @MachoMan_Vert 4 роки тому +4

      @@simonegreco1958 well 'gravity' story didn't really happen. So it's a fiction. Because it's related to science and whatnot it's science-fiction.
      Well in the other hand First Man is a biography of a thing that actually happened with some minor dramatization sprinkled here and there.

    • @simonegreco1958
      @simonegreco1958 4 роки тому +2

      Cosmic Bunny lmaooo that’s not what science-fiction means

    • @cliffordodell5024
      @cliffordodell5024 4 роки тому

      simonegreco Science Fictions definition is just the definition of the two words and any way they can be combined. Take Interstellar, the story is definitely fictional but it’s rooted in real science. On the other end of the spectrum there’s Star Wars, both the story and science are fictional so many people label it as Science Fantasy which might be the subcategory of Sci Fi you think defines the genre.

  • @ariadnegmusdaedaloximo708
    @ariadnegmusdaedaloximo708 4 роки тому +1

    There should be research done on Ad Astra. This movie, though not terrible, but made me sleep multiple times, even after I got enough sleep. There's something meditative about it, more than being a commercial film.

  • @oliviaford9802
    @oliviaford9802 5 років тому

    that's kind of what happened to the Babadook... marketed as a creature feature when it wasn't

  • @dranelemakol
    @dranelemakol 5 років тому +3

    Literally none of this matters.

  • @FF-ch9nr
    @FF-ch9nr 5 років тому +1

    the movie legit felt more like a novel, what with the mental flashbacks and constant brad pitt inner monologue def not for everyone

  • @RickLilShore
    @RickLilShore 3 роки тому

    Ahh, the Solaris trailer with the good old epic deep trailer voice -guy. Reminds me of the good old days. And Honest Trailers.

  • @meirm
    @meirm 4 роки тому +2

    I was wondering why I didn’t like the film at all. I watched the trailers like 10 times. And I was fully expecting another Interstellar.

  • @Lyendith
    @Lyendith 5 років тому

    I don't know if I'd put The Martian in the Sadstronaut club. It has a lot of humor, which probably helped.

  • @discogodfather22
    @discogodfather22 5 років тому +3

    Gray made a much better film in Lost City of Z that dealt with Heart of Darkness style themes. This was a remake and not as good, and that movie flopped.

  • @MattSchantz7
    @MattSchantz7 3 роки тому

    Great video! I remember walking out of Ad Astra and hearing an upset man say something like, "What the hell kind of ending was that?"

  • @arunjain5739
    @arunjain5739 4 роки тому

    Brad pitt's second clickbait experience after the great- fight club

  • @brianchilds
    @brianchilds 4 роки тому

    Passengers is another great marketing example. Film trailer marketed it as an action movie, but its a love story in space. Such a great film too

  • @DaniloSalvego
    @DaniloSalvego 5 років тому +1

    That's exactly the same thing that happened with Aronofsky's Mother (2017) which was advertised as a horror movie. And it's not.

  • @fistewart
    @fistewart Рік тому

    Disney had no clue how to market this movie. Losing Final Cut almost sent Gray into retirement.

  • @luana3008
    @luana3008 3 роки тому

    Not only through its shot composition, but also through its cinematography and minimal dialogue, the movie talks about a son trying to get over the abandonment of his father. Brad Pitt's character dives deep into himself trying to free his mind of his father, of the anger that he feels for being left so young, of the necessity of making proud a man that he only knows through his expectations of a good honoured father.
    The scenes in which his heading to his father stations resembles a womb. It's a beautiful introspective movie about a man trying to get over being left when he was a boy.

  • @socialistbatman1211
    @socialistbatman1211 4 роки тому

    Only trailer I saw for it was a UA-cam ad that was just Brad Pitt hearing about his dad and in a space suit and that’s it

  • @reNINTENDO
    @reNINTENDO 5 років тому +3

    Sad Astra. Starring Brad Pitt-in-my-stomach.

  • @matheusedwin6144
    @matheusedwin6144 5 років тому

    The Sadstronaut Club? You mean "Space Opera-Drama".

  • @therandytomato5679
    @therandytomato5679 5 років тому +1

    I mean... I suspect a big reason that Annihilation flopped was because douchey Ellison/Paramount shat themselves, sold it to Netflix and undercut the film's own theatrical release.
    Roughly half of Arrival's money came from non-American markets... the same markets that either didn't get a theatrical release of Annihilation at all, or got a release that was followed a couple of weeks later by Netflix availability.

  • @alansmithee4927
    @alansmithee4927 4 роки тому

    i work part time at a movie theater and we've had issues with people walking out of Ad Adstra either asking for a refund or asking to go into a different movie. We have acyually been selling a decent amount of tickets but lots of refunds. When we do get films that are marketed as intellectual films, usually nobody comes and sees them tho so the film was probably doomed to fail from the start with that 100 million dollar budget

  • @AnthonyRecenello
    @AnthonyRecenello 4 роки тому

    Flops are okay if you win Academy Awards.

  • @johnmurphyfilm
    @johnmurphyfilm 5 років тому

    I work in Hollywood and can confirm this. When it comes to studio films, misrepresenting a film as an action/thriller is good for domestic BO.
    For independent films, dramas and horror films are marketed as psychological thrillers to sell well internationally- international audiences don’t like dramas, dark comedies (the humor doesn’t translate), or certain horror types (China doesn’t f with ghosts)

  • @kellydavis3219
    @kellydavis3219 5 років тому

    Moon is a great addition but my biggest pick for a fakeout action trailer (and also my favorite movie) is Sunshine from 2007. They used the freaking Requiem for A Dream music in the trailer then the actual movie is people sitting at a table discussing their possible actions

  • @AMAbeja
    @AMAbeja 4 роки тому

    BRAD PITT VENTURES INTO SPACE (GONE WRONG)(DAD GOT MAD)

  • @isabellamorris7902
    @isabellamorris7902 5 років тому +1

    Ad Astra is such a weird film. Really good in some ways, absolutely terrible in others, combined making it a pretty fascinating product.

  • @Daysed.and.Konfuzed
    @Daysed.and.Konfuzed 4 роки тому

    2:20 >>> I want a movie about what happened to this table.
    It's bound to be dramatic!

  • @Hellware
    @Hellware 5 років тому

    In traditional marketing terms what you call clickbait here used to be called "bait and switch".

  • @davegrenier1160
    @davegrenier1160 5 років тому +2

    "First Man" is not science fiction!

    • @Gadget-Walkmen
      @Gadget-Walkmen 4 роки тому

      @@revolverswitch So? it's real life biographical of things that actually happened. You need to have fictional elements for it to be fiction in any sense.
      It's non-fiction.

    • @Gadget-Walkmen
      @Gadget-Walkmen 4 роки тому

      @@revolverswitch Yeah that's just drama. What does that have to do with your response to the original post? So what if it's about an astronaut?
      The original commenter is just commenting how first man is not sci-fi because that's how things actually happened.

    • @Gadget-Walkmen
      @Gadget-Walkmen 4 роки тому

      @@revolverswitch yeah, that's fine and all but there's a slight issue with calling it sci-fi, which the video does.

  • @SkitHertz
    @SkitHertz 5 років тому +2

    Thanks for this. I really liked Ad Astra but didn't watch any trailers leading to it so I was a bit baffled why the reviews are so mixed. This explains a lot.

  • @epg96
    @epg96 5 років тому +5

    Hey admin, are you gonna make videos about Parasite or Weathering with You?

    • @MochitoMaker
      @MochitoMaker 5 років тому +1

      "Admin"?
      Where are you? What are you? When are you? Who is saying that now?

  • @rupertcornelius
    @rupertcornelius Рік тому

    this vid essay is time u cant get back

  • @ReasonX3
    @ReasonX3 Рік тому

    I didn't watch Ad Astra in a theater because of it's trailers. I thought it's gonna be some sort of blockbuster in space. Eventually I watched the movie at home and it immediately became one of my favorite films. I like it's meditatine story telling, I like questions and problems it raises, and the protagonist I can associate myself with.
    The trailers really let down this movie. I can imagine people who watched it in theaters had absolutely different expectations from what the film is all about.

  • @wvdb2217
    @wvdb2217 5 років тому +2

    First man is science fiction now?

  • @QuincyIQ
    @QuincyIQ 5 років тому

    This is the same strategy that the village played and lost

  • @BaghaShams
    @BaghaShams 5 років тому +1

    The title of this video is clickbait because it says "Ad Astra is Clickbait" instead of "Ad Astra's Trailer was Clickbait".

  • @SuperNuclearUnicorn
    @SuperNuclearUnicorn 4 роки тому +1

    I went in to Ad Astra having not seen a single thing about it, it was only at the suggestion of my dad who had seen it around and figured it'd be good to do something on the weekend. I absolutely adored it while he was pretty meh on it and I wonder if that's because he had seen the media on it while I hadn't. On a slightly related note, it was the only movie since Toy Story 3 to have made me tear up. Great movie

  • @d.j.rivera7636
    @d.j.rivera7636 5 років тому +1

    First Man is not science fiction. It's a biopic. C'mon Man!

  • @harrisn3693
    @harrisn3693 3 роки тому

    I fell asleep watching Ad Astra....and I studied Nuclear Engineering.....

  • @SagarKumar-wz4qd
    @SagarKumar-wz4qd 3 роки тому

    People thought blade runner 2049 and as astra as fast food like marvel but they are actually full course meal....

  • @raksh9
    @raksh9 5 років тому

    Fortunately, I never saw the trailers for Solaris before a friend introduced me to it. I love the slow, cerebral feeling and atmospheric sense of meditation on the nature of memory, love and loss. Another mismarketed George Clooney movie is Up In The Air, which appears to be an upbeat romantic comedy, but it's actually a dark comedy about isolation, rejection and betrayal. Now that I know this about Ad Astra, I want to see it even more.

  • @timebandit1266
    @timebandit1266 4 роки тому +1

    I want my money back for Ad Astra 🧐

  • @bah6604
    @bah6604 2 роки тому

    And this is why I don't watch trailers since 2014.

  • @ivanriskin1167
    @ivanriskin1167 3 роки тому

    Same with Seven Psychopaths, the trailer sell it like another comedy film

  • @yamabushi_nate7825
    @yamabushi_nate7825 5 років тому +1

    First Man and Blade Runner were both absolutely amazing films too.