Summary: BLANCPAIN - the difference between a tourbillon and a carrousel explained by Jeff Kingston
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2015
- Blancpain is unique in the world of watchmaking as it is the only house which has mastered the art of placing a carrousel in a wristwatch.
Carrousels were originally conceived to defy gravity and the associated rate errors when the watch is in a vertical position. In this way, carrousels are like tourbillons. But watch connoisseurs often get confused in trying to understand how carrousels and tourbillons are different from each other.
Fortunately, Blancpain has created two watches that are perfect vehicles for understanding the similarities and differences between carrousels and tourbillons: its Le Brassus Tourbillon Carrousel from two years ago and Basel 2015 debut of the L-evolution C Tourbillon Carrousel.
Our visit to the world’s oldest watch brand’s Le Brassus complicated workshop allows us to place the movement under a microscope and closely examine these two timing elements to show how they are the same and how they are different.
Thank you sir, for a very eloquent explanation. Not wishing to appear small minded , but an American who can properly pronounce French is a rare treat.
Fantastic explanation. I understand why there is a Gyro version after watching this. Being able to explain extraordinarily complex concepts in ways that people understand is a rare gift.
Hats off to Jeff Kingston. The best explanation of mechanisms I have found on youtube so far. Compliments to his pronunciation of the French names, too.
Your explaination is very clear, sir.
Great explanation and video! Would love to have also gotten insight into the pros and/or cons between the two mechanisms, if any, along with impact to design, manufacturing and cost, etc. I love both designs for their unique aesthetics and technology (the grandfather of modern gyroscopes, robotics and mechanical engineering).
Simple, but excellent explanation. Many thanks.
Thank you, Sir! Great explanation!
Greatly well explained
Wow I've been looking to understand this forever and never have before seeing this video. And only in the span of 7 minutes!!!
Amazin!!!
According to your explanation, I realized that the carousel is a more complex mechanism than the tourbillon. Do they have any performance difference? Does any of them give higher accuracy?
Thank you.
Wonderful and thank you sir. I can eat this stuff right up. Absolutely beautiful timepieces there. I also think he liked saying carousel with the French accent lol
Nailed the explanation, really cleared up how the tourbillon works and I never heard of a carrousel in watches and I think I know how it works too, but left a little confused, why there is a tourbillon and a carrousel in one watch?
Because Blancpain thinks it makes a statement. That a side-by-side demonstration in one watch is a technical tour-de-force which might fascinate the owner and by visual comparison give insight into how these complications work. I think they share the drive through a differential.
It also courts the owner interested in one-upmanship and the 'ultimate' by means of exceeding common watch status symbols like the tourbillion: my watch has a tourbillion AND a carousel! "What's a carousel?" etc. It is priced accordingly in the oligarch/sheikh range!
Great explanation. One Vs two power trains to the cage !
Great information..........Explained perfectly.....
I want both
I'd like to know how the small gears are made? Is it machine or handmade?
Interesting stuff for sure - but what is the groovy music please?
However, both trains cannot be independent of each other because there is only one regulator. One gear train goes to a central pinion that is _not_ connected to the rotating structure directly, and through a separate, hidden, wheel train that is transmitted to the wheel that turns the big gold one? Is that how a Ulysse Nardin Freak X works essentially? Does the power go to the external wheel and from there to the central wheel? Or the other way around?
thank you
Awesome
When a double balance is not flex enough xD
Anyway, great explanation
i love flying tourbillon.
Did everyone miss the part where it's said that this is a $319,000 watch???
Cool...
How delicate are these movements?
Wouldn't the extra gears in the extra power train induce some more friction (however slight)
So amazing feat of engineering, all to tell me it's time to feed the animals
So me the amateur, which complication is actually running the watch here? Or is it dual balanced somehow? more explanations ensue....
got it !!!
can someone recommend a good precision table top lathe accurate to .0001 for under 2000$?
A good used schaublin 70 is the only option I see for 0.0001mm I don't know if the schaublin will get to this precision but it's THE watchmaker Lathe, every watchmaker I know wants to have. Otherwise a good Boley or Lorch will do it too. If you a really good Lather?(I don't know what's the guy at the lathe is called) you can get down to 0.01mm but that are German brands I guess. I don't know if you can get them anywhere else for 700€ on eBay but if not there will be similar brands. Depends on what you want to. If you want to make a tourbillion I mean I don't think Breguet could turn on 0.0001mm in 1801 but he did make some incredible stuff. But if you want to make a tourbillion well I don't know your level of experience but unless I'm not a experienced watchmaker I wouldn't try. But I'm working on it😂
@@nicolajhardbass1608 "Lather" heh, interesting guess, the word you're looking for is machinist. Although in this case it's more a specific kind of machinist being a watchmaker.
That last bit no we can't see that we cannot see that at all
when you spend all night thinking about dual powertrains to figure out how to equalize lost forces with chain mechanisms(though i had different designs in mind) and seperately powered tourbillons to wake up the next morning and have breguet tell you about your own designs and ideas from the night before XD....if that dont validate your intellect, what will? i've invented 2 escapements, and a tourbillon like design, i should be happy with all that. but it can be so frustrating cause people start thinking you stole their work, n i truly don't...this is why an inventor should never see another's work, but only hear the idea. this way you won't be corrupted by that design and it leaves one with the potential to be unique in a world flooded with brilliant or better work. just make art bo, i keep remembering my goals. one off works of art that i can wear and find a wife with... thats what i need to do, what i'm going to do. build watch art from my brain, STOP WATCHING ALL THESE VIDEOS, though i love them. n let the artist out.
When you finally after months of breaking your head figure out a design for a perpetual calendar 😂
No disrespect Sir, but I wish your camera man kept the camera focus on the product you're explaining. it's hard to see on a 4.8 inch screen.
l'm just learning about watches, and its BRILLIANT! Those _teeny tiny_ pieces ....HOW do they make them? ls it by a machine? lt must be! A human hand cant fashion all those 'bits' ??!?
ok
Where can I find a timepiece like this one in California ?
a Blancpain specifically or a toubillion movement? I feel both could be found at a high end watch shop!
Don't go without $50k in your pocket.
Perfectly good tourbillons can be had from China for 500 dollars.
That image on the wall is wrong!
But wait - how do they compliment each other in a single movement?
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Two mechanisms doing the same thing in single watches. WHY?
Marketing gimmick
David Horgan
For those who can’t appreciate the brilliance, ingenuity or the aesthetic, yes. 😏
Art 🖼
Hard to understand, you could have given more explanation, thanks
glad someone else noticed the explanation isn't clear. people who love tourbillons want everyone to thing they're MYSTERIOUS. surprise: the two mechanisms are exactly the same! instead of mounting the balance and escapement on a balance cock, they're mounted on the carrier (or frame, since it houses everything) of a planetary gear rotating around a fixed sun gear in the center. power to the escape wheel comes from the planet gear it's attached to as the carrier pushes it around the sun gear. with the carrousel, the balance wheel is concentric with the carrier shaft. this makes absolutely no difference, but is visually confusing. you could hang the balance way over the edge of the carrier, outboard of the escape, and it would still make no difference. the other difference is that the carrousel drives the carrier via teeth on the outer edge, as opposed to driving teeth on the carrier's shaft on the tourbillon, and these are exactly the same thing (since shaft and carrier are one piece, mechanically) but of course they look quite different so again it's visually confusing. the going train is directly pushing on the carrier in both cases and talk of two drive systems is just a confusion caused by the odd stacked idle wheel that transfers power up to the outer teeth. a third, rarer, option would be driving the planet/escape with a ring gear, and this would indeed be a distinct mechanism (being a full sun/planet/ring gear system. a second sun instead of a ring would be mechanically equivalent except for ratio) although there'd be no practical improvement in time-keeping. as a matter of fact, iirc a tourbillon doesn't improve the accuracy of a modern well-designed watch, but a century ago you couldn't keep the rate the same in different positions
of course, we're not shown the carousel movement in enough detail to see how utterly trivial the difference between the two is
It's not trivial at all
Patents do not last a hundred years. The reason Bonniksen invented his device was to make a less expensive and more robust rotating escapement than found in the traditional tourbillon.
And while we are about it, Bonniksen invented his device in Northern England, and he dubbed it Karsussel. So if we really must put up with affected pronunciations, then a Danish or English slant on the word would be most appropriate. Otherwise, just call it Carrousel in your normal accent please. One way or the other, certainly not a heavy fake French flavour.
Kosmos Horology Thought he was pronouncing it weird. Especially if invented by a Brit...
@@sultanabran1 Why are you so mad? The whole film is about something beautiful which is called horology. There is truly nothing to be so mad about. Peace.
Could not agree more! I just call a tourbillon a whirlwind..
Time is a dead god Thoth 🌹🌚👍 Rest in the good news 🌹 okay bye
One v two power trains 🚂
Flying tourbillion and carousel are the same. Hmmm.
so when the chinesse are going to produce these in mass
Already done. I'm wearing a 500 dollar chinese tourbillon right now.
A lot of talk to say 1 powertrain and 2 powertrains.
tor - be - on not tur - be - on
hey shut up
Common similarity: uselessness.