**NOTES** - One thing I forgot to mention: there are a couple of notable instances where a "regular" seelie survivor didn't lose their form, however these instances are only in books (like in A Drunkard's Tale) and don't seem to repeat yet so I can't cross-reference them. Because of this, it's hard to tell what's exaggerated into a fairytale and what's actually real. Weapons and Artifact sets are some of our more reliable sources of historical lore, so until another seelie survivor appears in those, I'm sticking with the idea that GoF is the only complete seelie survivor we know of. - We can now confirm that GoF was not one of the moon sisters thanks to the first couple lines of Tulaytullah's Remembrance which says she danced with the three moon sisters (and therefore isn't one). I COMPLETELY forgot about this line when I was working on this script as I started before it released. What this DOES mean is that GoF was of high enough rank to dance with the sisters in the desert and powerful enough to maintain her form when most other seelies died out. It's also quite possible that she's a seelie aligned with Istaroth specifically (like how adepti answer to Zhongli, each moon sister may have had their own "type" of seelie that followed them). I'll correct this in the finale.
Paimon has got to be a seelie. She's literally a fairy, she floats around like the seelie ghosts and has some similar design features. Seelies were guides for humans and she's our guide to the game. Also I remember something about one of stories talk about a seelie being the trapped under the ocean? We found Paimon under water with some seemingly missing memories. If the GoF horns can represent a crescent moon, Paimon's Halo could be a New Moon. Maybe she is a fallen fragment of one of the other moon goddess. If the Seelies are "angels" this would also give reason for her to have a demon name.
Also, we still dunno if the Princess in the Pygmies tale actually refers to Tsaritsa or Istaroth. If Tsaritsa = Istaroth, then no contest best Archon. Tsaritsa best mommy award. Harbingers good children did nothing wrong kekw.
Also side thoughts. Seelies being guides further supports them or one tied to them being behind the Adventure Guild and Astrology as they are both ment to guide people
The amount of times unreconciled stars can be brought up in lore theorycrafting is insane. They really threw us a gigantic lore bomb this early in the game.
@@lukeadriel2564 Yep, it sucks that they heavily rely on the fear of missing out formula when they choose the form of their content. Events like Unreconciled Stars or Shadows Amidst Snowstorms (sus Albedo story for those who forgot the name) should never have been limited time only. It's a tragedy that many lore enthusiasts will never get to witness these stories first hand, but only as references by content creators or as recordings.
Imagine dropping huge lore bombs, have Scaramouche as an "antagonist", name dropping the Jester, and then making this a limited time event. Just Hoyo things
Went from a simple tale to an advanced level college history class spanning several religions and ideals. I like it. The 4th video is the surprise test that makes up like a 4th of your grade.
@@CryptidCritter i had some clases where I had only 3 or 4 tests and they literally made up my entire grade for that semester. The flashbacks are real.
The thing you mentioned about the Star of Ishtar somehow makes me more convinced that Khaenri'ah being called Dahri is not a coincidence... In Arabic, "Dahr" means "timespan" or "age" that could extend from the smallest unit of time to however long the age of the universe is. But while "Dahri" is usually translated as "an atheist", it's more specifically "someone who believes that everything has existed since time immemorial". The way hyv pick that word makes me think that it could be a wordplay that Khaenri'ah people are also "the people of (the God of) Time" since a God of Time exists and she was described as "The Mother of 4.5 Billion Years"..
So could it be that Khaenri'ah and Enkanomiya had two different goddesses of time being two of the moon sisters and the third one could be revealed in the "Region Between Two Teyvat Nations™" in this case between sumeru and fontaine ?
I believe it's a reference to Lumine though, who in that video is the abyss twin. Dain says his memory has completely faded meaning his curse has consumed him, but he still remember Lumine loved the flowers enough to have them on her hair. By the end of the game Dain won't be the same Dain we know now, but he will still have love and affection for his former companion
@@Crystaliiisms this. it was already mentioned in the chasm quest that it was a reference to lumine loving the flowers which is called "inteyvat" so yeah, prolly not a reference to istaroth.
I notice one interesting connection. The prayer about four angels at 23:10 says "over my head the God's presence through his Holy Spirit". In Genshin Manga, the spell Cyno used to cure Collei is translated into "Yhvh, Adni, Ahih, Agla, And above my head, the divine presence of God."
@@bohan2495 and maybe Adni is “Adonai”? That’s another Hebrew word for god. Not sure about the others tho. Edit: apparently this is from the lesser ritual of the pentagram, so the other two should be Eheieh and Agla. That ritual also includes the “evocation of the archangels” that Ashikai was talking about in the video
Holy Fricc. Literally just finished watching, and my mind is actually blown. Like I wouldn’t even be surprised if the new desert expansion confirms this next patch. Ashikai you crazy madlad you did it again. You’re brain has to hurt from how massive it is. Like holy fricc, I need time to process this…. This is actually HUGE.
@@rallyfan101 Yeah I agree too. Ashikai has made quality work so far but today's video reaches new heights and goes into new depths. Ad astra abyssosque.
Remember some artefacts stated that a nail fall where the remain of the goddess of flowers are in her lunar maiden oasis? Remember the nail in the sandstorm coming next patch ? From the leaks it as some kind of oasis underneath... This theory might be true to much real
@@Sacration that could also potentially prove the Istaroth of the GoF theory, a Celestial Nail fell on the 'paradise' (Ay-Khanoum) where massive sandstorms raged, and the nail is literally surrounded by a massive tornado/sandstorm. Istaroth was know as "The Thousand Winds" so the fact that some wind-phenomena occurred where she (presumedly) died makes a ton of sense.
20:22 our daily reminder that Mona and her master SHOULD play a MAJOR role in Teyvat's story from now on, they're so important. Like come on Hoyo, give my girl some screen time!
Characters that need to become more relevant - Mona and her Master - ALICE!! seriously wtf is up with her - Kaeya - Ella Musk (seriously though do we think the Hilichurls have some kind of memory of Kaehrniah?😂) - Zhongli needs to tell us wtf happened in Kaehrniah 500 years ago
No amount of cool lore will make Genshin’s story actually good you realize that right? They can still shaft a characters importance and give the screen time to a bunch of nobodies. (Sorry Itto)
@@wilburforce8046 Yeah but do you realise that what you think is good or bad does not define what others think? I don't see many issues with genshins story, I enjoy it a lot and find that they put a lot of thought into it. Not liking it is fine too, but you needn't be a dick about it though
@@francescapatti2934 I mean sure but I’ve seen nearly a hundred fictional stories in my time and Genshin is pretty bad despite having dark souls level lore.
@@arosdeco1629 memory data... Remember Nahida pulled scara's memories from her own collection... It was very cube shaped. Maybe that's what Zhongli statue is holding, a memory cube ... With all his repetitive lines about the old times and stuff
it's very sus that it disappeared after deleting rukkhadevata from irminsul. i thought it was an animation error but when we go back to the irminsul again in 3.3 interlude quest, it was not there. strange. it's like it is also a form of corruption that got deleted alongside rukkhadevata. is the unknown god corrupted?
@@arosdeco1629 Also the fact that when we entered Irminsul in Wanderer's quest the tree itself looked like it was a "router" of sorts? By that I mean, if you look at the tree branches on top they kinda resemble circuitry and there is a particle going into them, like they are pulling "data" (and putting it into the leylines is my guess?)
Just pointing this out that in albedo's video that when "time and being" was mentioned that a cecilia was shown- cecilia irl is a lily and is a trillium flower
With that amount of information, my mind just blown up. Now I'm more convinced that the mysterious voice that we heard in the latest archon quest was (possibly) Istaroth
It make so much sense. I founded it odd because Istaroth was never directly linked to Sumeru outside the Irminsul, but now, everything is perfectly clear.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I’m not convinced that Paimon is an arch Angel/moon sister. I think she is either a seelie or one of Istaroth’s Jin. The fact that she can have her memory wiped by Irmisil multiple times is probably the biggest indication that she isn’t a higher being than the Archons of Teyvat. My thoughts on the three sisters are they are Istaroth, The Night Mother of the Abyss, and the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. One sister per plane of the world, Celestia, Teyvat, and the Abyss.
It's funny that you say this because I think Ashikai herself has said she doesn't think the voice is Istaroth 😭 it's so interesting to see people come to different conclusions from lore.
I had the realization about the letters on Mona's scryglass moments (ha, moments) before you revealed the Archangel connection. This theory seems to have a very solid framework unless we get some other lore bombshell that recontextualizes everything. The only thing I'm wondering about then is the timeline. If Istaroth originally was cast out into Sumeru's deserts, when was she co-ruling in Mondstadt or when did she help Makoto? And when did she die? Unless something about her nature as a Shade prevents her from being destroyed completely or something? Can she exist in multiple places at the same time? It would be a fitting power for a God of Time and we have Dottore doing something similar so...IDK???
Well. Istaroth is probably the very concept of Time itself. Remember the time space Ei is in, back in her 2nd story quest? It is surrounded by a very chaotic energy covering the entirety of the realm itself. I think that, the realm is completely isolated from the timeline; past, present, future, even alternate. It is nowhere, but it's everywhere. It is why Shogun said they were battling for 500 years. But to us, the traveler, it's probably only been 5-10 minutes has passed. I guess, in a way; this is probably what Ei would've envisioned of her eternity, neither moving forward nor backward, a complete stasis. This space is also the perfect place to plant the Sakura Tree, so that it can germinate in the past, and grow in the future, that we presently see the giant tree it is now. What I'm trying to say is, is that so farfetched to say that, she can be everywhere at different points in time? Different individuals/incarnations, yet singular? Is that not the THOUSAND Winds?
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iuMakes sense to me. If she is the God of Moments, that's a collection of individual experiences. So a being that is both singular and plural at the same time makes a lot of sense, especially for a deity of time. Expanding on what I saw elsewhere in the comments which built on the point in the Video that the God of Time is linked to Wind (Anemo) in Mondstadt and potentially Water (Hydro) in Sumeru. Ashikai further points out that Istaroth's powers also seem to be related to Irminsul which is strongly tied to Dendro: Dreams, Life, and Memory. So perhaps Celestial beings, like the Shades and potentially the Twins, are able to harness all the elements?
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu Makes sense, but maybe the two presumed dead moon sisters were Istaroth and the goddess of flowers, who were both moon goddesses and time goddesses but still different individuals.
@@defiantmars9910 quite possibly. But we can only speculate until HYV decides to nuke us with Celestia lore bombs next region or two. I speculate we will get it by the time we get to Natlan. And Nahida already dropped us a lot of tactical bombs regarding our origin and the supercomputer we call Irminsul. And to expand on my point regarding Istaroth is the monstadt's thousand Winds, Enka's Kairos, and also Sumeru's GoF, I think the anime Campione can give us a better insight on how many different culture's god can be the same god in this context.
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu there’s also the possibility that Istaroth can influence people in different places and times through dreams. Remember in Enkanomiya she gave them the knowledge to build the light device via dream. Maybe she both influenced Venti and Makoto via dreams.
There was also the water mirror in Enkanomiya that allowed us to look around the place. Hydro's purpose seems to be reflecting/manipulating light and showing us the true nature of things, which was highlighted in Mona's domain in GAA2.
It's impressive how much stuff they must have planned before they launched the game. So many things from the early beginning start to make sense. I'm sure other companies also put a lot of work in their lore but this mind blowing.
I honestly think that while this all makes sense its probably coincidental. I just don't trust that Hoyo put this much thought into this game and don't wanna get my hopes up either. 😂
I mean Hoyo makes sure the lore makes sense before doing smth that is gonna be added to the game or smth
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my man, if i remember correctly, the creator of genshin was trying to lunch it, ready in the first chapter, since 2013, but the result they wanted werent achieved, so they stored it and he continued to make the story
@@francescapatti2934 genshin was in production at time 2017 i don't think they have been doing nothing for so many years with so much money as budget there are lot of hidden lore like the thunderbird lore it was in the game from the beginning
When I first met Mona (after the Unreconciled Stars event and before the second Golden Apple Archipelago event), I thought she was a sham who couldn't actually tell the future, and it's absolutely crazy how OP her abilities actually are and how close to stumbling upon a huge lore bombshell she actually is. The problem is that the Archons (and presumably anyone as strong as them or stronger) can actually tell when they're being watched, as seen in one of Mona's voicelines where she tries to look at Venti's fate and she gets interrupted by a strong gust of wind.
I know that King Deshret/Al-Ahmar is not the main topic of this video, but I am so intrigued about his descendants one being Candace (who you put a clip of in the video hence making me think about this). In her character details section, it states that she is "The scion of Al-Ahmar". I found this really intriguing because scion has two meanings, the first being "a young shoot or twig of a plant, especially one cut for grafting or rooting" and the second being "a descendant of a notable family". The first definition brought me back to Nahida and Rukkhadevata as it somewhat reflects what Rukkhadevata said about Nahida; Nahida being the most important branch of her (or something along the lines of that I can't quite remember). Of course, the second definition fits as she is the descendant of King Deshret but the word choice just really irks me to overthink it. Additionally, Candace's design, particularly her heterochromia, made me think of Horus, where one of his eyes represented the sun and the other the moon. I also noticed that Candace's namecard description is .. really odd? "The burning winds of the past ruffle the heron's feathers, but the bird has eyes only for the morning star at first light." Both of these could further the connection (maybe???) between King Deshret and the Goddess of Flowers/Istaroth/One of the Moon Sisters. Anyways at this point, I feel like I am just reaching out for anything but I do wish there was more info about his descendants. Thanks for another great video Ashikai and looking forward to the next part!!
Kandake unfortunately isn't Deshret's descendant - one of her character stories clears this up. None of the guardians of Aaru Village have been blessed by King Deshret, and "Deshret's descendant" is just a term used for of his people (or well, the descendants of his people)
@@hanako_2137 Thanks for telling me this! I haven't increased her friendship level that much so this wasn't available to me yet. Perhaps none of the guardians were blessed with his power but I do still think her design holds some importance. I hope we get some more info about King Deshret in next patch!
I think Candace’s namecard actually references something else! If we take Candace to be the heron (as referenced in her kit and design), it’s saying that the past - the treatment of her people by Sumeru - always threatens to play on her mind. But, she only has eyes for the “morning star at first light”. The morning star is a reference to Lucifer, who was the angel of the dawn. Dawn or first light can be taken to mean the concept of hope. It’s thought that the Traveler(s) are actually Lucifer - the first shade of the Primordial One and the most powerful of all archangels. So her character card is saying that Candace is looking towards a hopeful future because of the Traveler!
@@sparrow5701 Wow thanks for clarifying it for me! I have heard of that theory that the Traveller could be Lucifer, but I never thought of linking it together with this namecard. I only recently started to learn more about Genshin Lore so I'm grateful when people explain it to me
98% of my brain cells: "Trying to listen to Ashikai and connect the dots in lore videos to come up with a good conclusion about the secrets in Teyvat" 2% of my brain cells: "Imagine Ashikai cosplaying as Yanfei behind the mic while doing her lore videos"
To be clear: Ashikai didn't discover that one it's been known about two years. Well - unless she was the person who figured it out two years ago I guess.
This is such a crazy theory that makes so much sense that my mind immediately starts expanding on it and making it crazier. So Mondstadt, the place with the most obvious connection to Istaroth, has a lot of flower association. Dandelion and Cecilia to name the most prominent. And then it hit me, remember Windblume festival? Where the representative chooses a flower to offer to Barbatos, and this is because nobody knows what flower Windblume really is, and that is because Windblume doesn't exist. Or... does it? What if Windblume did exist but got erased from existence and the name remained but got rewritten as a code used by the rebels of the Old Mondstadt? And maybe Venti, being the suspicious fellow he is, suspects that the flower did really exist but doesn't know what so he keeps asking Mondstadters to offer him some flower hoping it might remind him of the real Windblume? What if Windblume is or is related to Padisarah? To take the theory even crazier, I realized that every nation has one dead goddess who is associated with flowers and has something suspicious regarding Celestia or Istaroth. Liyue has Guizhong who is associated with Glaze Lilies and died for very mysterious reasons and left Zhongli a puzzle that is suspected to contain the knowledge she discovered that Celestia didn't want her to know. Inazuma has Baal who is associated with sakura and did something very similar to the priest who told the gardener how to instantly grow a tree into a 500 years old tree. And then Sumeru of course has the Goddess of Flowers. So the theory: I propose that every single one of these goddesses Guizhong, Makoto and the Goddess of Flower are ALL incarnations of Istaroth who, despite the deaths of her incarnations, is still alive. They are sort of gods born as the branches of time. And on that note, maybe Venti is, or has been made into, one as well.
3.3 spoilers /// I had a thought the fact that the only evidence of the life of Kuni/Scaramouche was a story written as a fairy tale it adds validity to the princess & six pygmies possibly having real information & all other tales really 😅
That was actually my first guess as to how that could apply! Although I'm not sure why the Abyss would know that it had value, the idea of stories being "hidden" events of Teyvat's past gives the book some possible value.
Wonder if Thats the Real reason Alice is helping yae with the publishing house, knowing the sacred sakura tree will eventually vanish they are saving as much of what happened there
@@lovelambs8870 I'll have to check them out! This is something I find particularly interesting in Genshin's lore... how many unassuming story books are just hiding information in plain sight?
@@lovelambs8870here is also Rozenvelt too, the less known Genshin lore theorist making a video about Shattered Helbert and how it might have connection with Khaenriah.
After over a year of break from Genshin I finally caught up to Ashikai and bwaap's videos for the second time. Time for the first real time watch in a while 'v' Post-watch edit: holy.....
Holy moly Ashikai, you're like a literal detective! Thruought this entire video I felt like I'm watching an episode of Sherlock Holmes or something. I'm so impressed. Massive props to you.
23:13 Could the Hexenzirkle worshipping the 3 moon goddess and studying the Leylines be a reference to the actual Wiccan practices of studying the lunar fazes and leylines? As far as I’m aware, wicca reveres the Maiden, Mother, and Crone (the waxing, full, and waning fazes of the moon). The Maiden, Mother, and Crone also seem to relate peculiarly to the 3 fates of Greek Mythology as discussed earlier in the video. It seems fitting that the witches of Teyvat would parallel witches in real life?
since a while back when i keep hearing about the three moon goddesses i keep thinking about the three forms of the triple moon goddess (at peast since i started practising wicca). her domain is the earth and life. to add to that, theres also the horned god, who is the god of the sun, hunting activities and something more but u forgot tbh. anyway, its an interesting idea, and if hexinzircle are at least in part based around wicca (though with the new knowledge it feels more like theure reaserchers of irminsul, like the organisation is not based around any gods, but knowledge instead, kinda.) but even without it three moons and the sun feels intetestingly important. and theyre either shades of primordial one (making primordial one not a bible god) or making moon goddesses kinda just there, irrelevant
Random addon, since the 4 archangels are now relevant, Michael is the 42nd angel in the Shem Hamephorash, and there are also references in the loading screens to the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy about "life the universe and everything". In the hitchhikers guide the number 42 was the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Not sure if they're related but it's something I've been wondering about for A WHILE. Also Michael's demon ruled at 42 is Vepar, which is a mermaid, which reminds me of Kokomi who is supposedly a reincarnation of the Sovereign Water dragon. Just throwing all that out there. Maybe your brain can figure out what I cannot. 😂
It is also very interesting to notice that two common interpretations of a passage in Revelations have Michael as the one to cast down Lucifer from heaven OR to fight him at the end of days. Which is interesting considering the previous video's theory about the Traveler... If the Sustainer ends up being one of the shades of Phanes, we at least know which one she would be 💀
EVERYTHING CONNECTS TO THE HEXENZIRKEL. Love to see it, I personally think they not only worship the moon sisters but that their organization was actually created by the God of time herself, just that maybe now she's not active. It's really hard to pinpoint who their leader is unlike every other genshin organization, and also Alice and Istaroth seem connected in Enkanomiya lore, and Alice is also very good friends with Venti, who's also closely related to Istaroth. Praying the mysterious voice is Mona's master and she reveals herself soon so we get more information about all of this, personally I think Hexenzirkel will contact the traveler because they could use a "record keeper" and maybe Alice isn't as available right now
Sidebar: from all these lore videos, from Ashikai, i had to pull on banners to get Yanfei. Now when I see her idle animations, I know what she's doing: theory crafting the lore!
2 problems for me: The Goddess of Flowers died a long, long time ago. I know that if she's a god of time then there's all sorts of timey wimey crap let alone the possibility of Irminsul being rewritten that you could torture into a technically permissible timeline, but it seems weird to me that she would later come to be worshipped in Mondstadt after having been cast down into Sumeru and doing a bunch of stuff for the Sumeru civilization and then dying in Sumeru. Also, not clear how she'd have helped Makoto. The Goddess of Flowers doesn't really seem to fit with how Istaroth is described in any other context. The Goddess of Flowers's "thing" seems to have been to leave the biggest impression on people's lives as she could so that after her planned eventual death, the memory of her was as bittersweet as possible. That's not really Istaroth's MO? Nobody in Mondstadt remembers her, nobody except Ei knows she did anything for Makoto, the descendants of Enkanomiya deliberately forgot her. She's not usually so high-key. Or moribund. Not saying you're not onto something, but maybe Flowers is the other cast-down moon sister.
1- When it comes to spell vs prayer, in reality the two can be arguably considered interchangeable, at least when asking a higher divine being for help. 2- On thing you didn't point out is that while not directly tied to the Fates, Ishtar does have a(admittedly tenuous) connection to Greek mythology via Aphrodite(THE goddess of Beauty in Greece, so would make sense why Deshret became infatuated with her). Not to mention she was a mistress of Ares and was in love with him... but due to her marriage to Hephaestus couldn't be with him. Taking some liberties could The Primordial One(replace marriage with loyalty) take the place of Hephaestus and King Deshret take the place of Ares? Which would be thematically beautiful in a sense, a Shade inspired to a degree(possibly) by a goddess that was introduced to the Greece from Egypt and Mesopotamia returning to an area inspired EXACTLY by that after helping a Greek Civilization. 3- Couldn't the fact that ALL the archons have demonic names rather than god names be a sign they are or are descended in some way from Phanes and the Shades and that's part of why they're on what's akin to a watchlist by Celestia? 4- Could part of the reason she wasn't recognized be that she (and possibly the other two) erased the specifics of who was the moon sisters from the Irminsul? They wouldn't be able to delete themselves(as shown by Scaramouche) but they would be able to probably make a clean break unless people were keeping an eye on every last god when they did so and suddenly noticed a god or three appear.
The ones who know nothing: OMG A GIANT BOMBSHELL WAS JUST DROPPED ON MY HEAD THIS IS CRAZY!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Meanwhile the ones who know everything: shut up mihoyo! Thanks to ash we know all your secrets already! 😈
“Seeds of stories, brought by the wind and cultivated by time.” Makes a lot more sense if time is a goddess of flowers. Also idk if there’s anything to it, but I feel like there’s a hint between the fantastic compass, the time dial thing by the Thousand Winds Temple. The compass itself sorta lends itself to the archangels and the way it controls local time in its domain and the time dial looks very similar, perhaps a more ancient form of the same device. *Also Makoto believing in the power of all the transient moments that filled eternity and Istaroth being characterized as “the moment” aligns so well with the transience of a blooming flower.
Ashikai kept throwing proofs of theories one after another and I'm here for it. I'm no masochist but ur bricks make me feel pain and i love it as a lore enthusiast.
It's crazy how accurate you're theory crafting is when i saw the eternal oasis of stillness (which was made for the goddess of flowers) seem like it was frozen in time
I SAW THE NOTIFICATION AND I HIT IT LIKE LIGHTNING! I WAS SO HYPED FOR THIS THEORY! Thank you so much! Edit: I can’t wait for you go over the lore bombs of 3.3 and now I’m even more hyped for 3.4, now if you’ll excuse me I’m off to go complete the golden slumber.
Holy hell, I feel like I just took a crash course in world religion and mythology. Thank god I’m familiar with a ton of these religious figures through religion classes and Persona/SMT, lmaooo! I’m loving this vid! I think I need to do several repeat watches to really understand all of the mythological connections!
Goddess of flower warned king Deshret to not seek the forbidden knowledge nor to search for the master of the 4 shades but he continued his rebellious acts against Celestia, in the end she joined him in his madness.. until the heavens nuked them with a nail killing her, but king Deshret survived.. tried to resurrect her with forbidden knowledge, losing the civilization that he created with her in the process. So no, Goddess of flower is dead for more than 1000 year ago, Istaroth helped protecting Inazuma when Kaenri'ah cataclysm took place 500 year ago.. For me they are not the same person, unless she is not dead but removed herself from Irminsul.
i learn so much through your videos on such a wide range of topics that aren't just limited to genshin but all parts of the real world whether historical/religious/mythological. Whats amazing is how easily these videos can become a gateway into pursuing other areas of knowledge that you wouldnt know you'd enjoy or find interesting without interacting with it first. I really appreciate your knowledge and how much work you put into these videos as your passion makes these videos shine! So much potential ways to impact those who watch and their lives. I thought I hated history and ancient civilizations but I guess I just hated my teacher because I could listen to you speak for hours without getting bored.
This just makes me want the desert expansion even more now. Can't wait for all the new lore bombs. Hope we get a new Dainsleif quest though meeting Istaroth would be nice as well.
I finally got around to watching this, and man I thought I knew so much about the God of Time before this. These connections are things I never would have thought of myself, and it's making me realize that the Moon Sisters are something I haven't really looked into much before, but I really need to now!
About Mona's relation to istaroth have you noticed her shoes??! in both designs they have the horns and a gem/symbol just like Inanna! The stars of ishtar all over outfits. Also in her character story she says something about "in the reflection of the water I see the ascension of the morning star" could this be istaroth or maybe the traveler? still very interesting now I really wonder who Mona's master is?
Me at the beginning: what? GoF is Istaroth? I'm skeptical... Me at the end: WTF Istaroth is a moon sister and GoF this totally makes sense. I feel like this in every video.
This video actually made me consolidate one particular thought about elements in Teyvat I had since Sumeru's archon quests, that being that each element is tied to a "governing function" in Teyvat, I'll just list: - Anemo is connected to time, as you stated all the possible sources in this video; - Geo is tied to "storing memories" as said by Kun Jun and Zhongli in his 2nd character quest; - Electro is (probably) tied to "energy", as is it seen used in Tatarasuna with the furnace, the theme of eternity that with Ei's new vision has basically become our physics law of Energy conservation (this is my guess though, I haven't dig enough to see more links); - Dendro is tied to dreams as stated by Nahida and the whole Sumeru archon quest; - Hydro like you re-stated in this video seems tied to divination and fate, which also kinda makes sense because all hydro users make "shapes" of something with their powers (Childe created water blades, kokomi jellyfish, etc.) - Pyro and Cryo ??? because my guess is that it will be expanded in their region either directly like Nahida or not directly. If you read (or anybody that wants to answer this comment) this, do you know if what I stated about electro makes sense or is something else entirely? (And in general if you agree with the other elements/know more about pyro and cryo)
I may be confusing things at this point, but didn't King Deshret fall in love with the God of Flowers? And didn't one of the Moon Sisters (or a seelie, I don't remember well) also fall in love, causing a catastrophe to Teyvat? It makes sense (at least to me xD) that this is all about King Solomon and Istaroth. Thank you for giving us this masterpiece ^-^ Excellent work!
Regarding the memory re write, there is that one line of the mysterious voice that proclaims that it doesn't matter which of 2 animals knocks over a vase, the result remains the same, implying that history did indeed change but end results remained the same
Thanks a lot for this series!!! I understood like nothing of this third part but I will rewatch it again and again since there is a lot to digest here. I have no words of how you link everything, literally I just started laughing at the Mona's glass part. Amazing. The hardwork put in all your content is simply incredible.
The gibberish on the Mona scryglass being broken down into GBL URL MKL and RPL made me jump up in my chair and go "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" my gawd, how did you even notice that?!
@@sshk1653 hmm, no, not really. I got around to being by the side of terminal relatives in their last moments, at all times. Definitely, not playing genshin wasn't "a loss" to me. Losing my family was. And, to me, dedicating my time to them until the end was a win. 🙃
My eyes have been opened to a couple of things. 1. Ishtaroth totally invented the teleport points. The teleport points only work once you interact with them, turning them from red to blue and seem to use your memory of touching said point to teleport you there at any time. Plus, the teleport points can be found in ancient ruins of past times like Enkanomiya, the Chasm civilization, Dragonspine, Tsurumi island ect. An inventive goddess of thousands of moments in time would totally invent something like that for convenience. It's even more telling that the flavor text implies only people from outside Teyvat know what they fully do. 2. By ascending Dori, you unlock voicelines about her basically telling you how she became rich. She found one of Alice's "inventions" and asked Alice if she could become her supplier. Alice was reminded of Klee when she met Dori so she said yes. When the Traveler asks if its a true story (cause the story was being told in fairy tale format), Dori wanted more mora to reveal backstory. We can pay Dori for Alice + Hexenzirkle lore, and since Alice is her supplier, its fair to say Dori meets with her often enough to know her and what she's doing well enough.
By the way, Venti uses a bow and he is the one who taught mondstanders how to create wind gliders(and from that one quest with Amber we know that wind glider is indeed made of cloth, albeit a special one)...thus Venti can be assosicated with Time, Music, Weaving, Archery and freedom. Also something on the Goddess of Flowers, she could be reincarnation of Istaroth, who came to guide Scarlet King. We know that Istaroth loved humans, and she had time and again helped out in preserving humanity. King deshret was ambitious, and so he was wanting to reach the forbidden knowledge, and Istaroth knew that it would plunge his people into danger, so she tried to interfere, but most probably other shades or the primordial one or the second shade, did not like her interference, and tried to stop her. As a result, a wounded istaroth somehow disguised as the goddess of flowers arrives in the desert, and meets up with King Deshret and tries to sway him and asked him to NOT pursue the four shades and their master. But fails to do so, and the world is plunged into despair due to the seeping forbidden knowledge. Now to protect humanity, she helps Rukkhadevata, and advises her to build temples(remember she also made abraxas build a giant temple...dainichi mikoshi, the light from which repels the vishaps), and rukkhadevata's imagery was very similar. Multiple temples erected, with rukkhadevatas powers coursing through them, repelling the forbidden zones(and forbidden knowledge is also connected to Vishaps and the underworld..thus connecting the scenario in desert and scenario in enkanomiya). Assuming that Istaroth appeared again, and helped Makoto in creating that seed, that would mean either goddess of flowers never died, or she time skipped to the next point in time where she was needeed, or simply was captured by celestia, which made everyone think that she died. Now, this here ties to..why is venti getting weaker with time. Morax and Baal are still plenty strong. The god become powerful the more they are worshipped, and we know that Mondstadt is very very religious. Infact they are the only nation so far released that has an institution dedicated to their Archons religion(the favonius cathedral), and every other mondstander NPC believes in barbatos' teachings and guidance. There is no way Venti should be weak, unless....his connection with Istaroth, who is getting weaker...is affecting him. So I am assuming, while all powerful, Istaroth, is not omnipotent, and is running out of time too fast. Either due to jumping time and spending way too much power trying to save humanity(enkanomiya, temples in desert, probably advising rukkhadevata to create nahida, helping makoto create the sacred sakura, etc.)...and this inturn is weakening venti. And all the archons are united to save Celestia from whatever is happening, without making it obvious. And Tsaritsa is actually the heroine, who is taking on the mantle of the Villain, giving other archons an excuse to act covertly. I mean think of it 1 - Schneznaya is plotting something, that could endanger entire humanity, why have the archons not banded yet and destroyed schneznaya and Tsaritsa? No matter how strong, I dont think Schneznaya can defend if Barbatos, Baal and Morax unite their nations and declare a war(not even counting Focalors and Natlan's archon into this equation). 2- If abyss is so dangerous, why hasnt the archons acted yet and launched attack on its base? Or..not even trying to find our where its located. Why are they waiting for another cataclysm like the one that happened in khaenriah? We dont know about venti, but we know that Morax and Baal atleast arent actively trying to locate the abyss headquarters, Nahida has just been freed, so she might start google searching abyss on irminsul but so far she also havent done anything. 3- No matter how you look at it, fatui are obtaining gnosis, way too easily, with almost no resistance from the archons. As if archons were just waitting for the right time and excuse to discard them. 4- Venti no matter how weak,is still a god, and he couldnt escape or protect the gnosis infront of the favonius cathedral? Even Jean was right there in the building, all he had to do was make a fuss and signora would have been dealt with swiftly(no offense to signoras strength, but Jean, Lisa, Kaeya, Diluc, Eula....they all are fucking powerful in lore), and signora was trying to maintian a diplomatic relationship with the knights, so she wouldnt have dared act out of place if even Jean alone had arrived. 5- In liyue, Zhongli gives away the gnosis for that stupid test. I know and understand zhongli's POV, but he wont just give away the key that could turn the way upside down, just to test his people. He isnt stupid enough to just give the gnosis, knowing that whatever schneznaya has planned, will have far severe consquences than a giant water snake being freed. 6- In inazuma, baal didnt even care enough to hold the gnosis, and Yae Miko also just gave it away without any fight or resistance or negotiation. We dont know how strong balladeer was at that time, but we know he wasnt a god at that point. 7- Nahida also gives away, not hers but Baal's gnosis to dottore. Granted that dottore was too powerful for nahida to handle, but dottore even agrees with the negotiations that Nahida proposed, even destroyed his own clones....and last part, if dottore had the power to slay a god, why not go back on your promise, and kill or capture nahida once he had the gnosis? Wont it be more dangerous to leave the literal avatar of irminsul alive who can literally google search anyones address on a tree? I am saying it again, Fatui arent the enemy, abyss isnt the enemy. Its all a front, and entire teyvat's archons have banded under this entire ruckus caused by Fatui vs celestia and Abyss vs the world. While i dont belive that abyss and fatui are collaborating, they are definitely not on opposing sides..and have a common goal. Also, if you remember, Abyss was trying to create a fake god, The Loom of Fate operation.....and guess what Dottore did in Sumeru?
here's a crack theory to think about: if we're assuming the goddess of flowers is the god of time, then perhaps she is a literal god of flowers, and that all the flowers that bloom across the world are her creation, it would fit her image of perceived time since flowers seem to bloom for but a moment when in truth they have lived long, fitting lives, in the same way she did. that's why mondstadt has a flower festival.
Regional material respawning and the Aranara quest with the Viparyas nursery stuff come to mind with that. It seems that like many things in Teyvat, memory seems to be involved.
since the goddess Inanna or Ishtar is mentioned there's also to remember that she has a twin named Ereshkigal the goddess of the earth oftentimes associated as the ruler of underworld (known as Irkalla) the death goddess and the NIGHT She's also described as the polar opposites to Ishtar herself. Why i brought this up is might be insignificant to the video but let me explain, Ereshkigal herself have an equivalent to the other goddesses too, notably the Hattic goddess Lelwani, similar attributes as the goddess of underworld BUT she's also responsible for DETERMINING human LIFESPANS that's also analogous to the Hurrian goddess Allani other than being worshipped the goddess of underworld known as the member of THREE GODDESSES OF FATE Hutena and Hutellura THAT IS ALSO ANALOGOUS to the Hittite SUN goddess of the earth that's also the goddess of underworld and GODDESSES OF FATE Tarawa and Hutellura. (Hattians Hittite and Hurrians basically 3 different settlers of Anatolia but came in different times and places to live there). All of those goddesses of underworld are also related to disease and sometimes the source of evil, could this makes a relation to abyss? maybe? Ereshkigal too have a minor relationship with greek goddess Hecate, notably associated with magic, witchcraft, light, crossroad, entrance ways, sorcery, knowledge of herbs and poisonous plants, grave ghost, necromancy and the MOON and the NIGHT and her later depiction is a THREE FORMED OR TRIPLE BODIED GODDESS "what this information supposed to be in genshin?" well the three goddesses reference is pretty obvious linking to the three moon goddesses in general although only Ereshkigal and her equivalents are mostly have description of her powers but here, remember about the tale of Pale princess and the Six Pygmies? Could the Night Mother takes inspiration from Ereshkigal? Night Mother lived in the place similar to Irkalla and ruled in a similar fashion. Now this is where I get wild and covered in tinfoil, moon sister had a fallout after the wedding, and remember only one of them seems to survive, could that be Istaroth? and if Istaroth have another evil side, could that be the other one Is the "Ereshkigal" to Istaroth, the Night Mother who fell into the abyss? well there's weakness to this because where would the other moon sister be if there's Ishtar and Ereshkigal thingies going on. Well let's just say that Ishtar or Inanna fell from heaven and becomes the Istaroth or Astarte, from her yearning for heaven she assisted the Scarlet King for the forbidden knowledge but instead dies then came back in cataclysm as the Avatar of Marana which implies Abyss as an object needing "physical sentient" form (that I'd like to call Ereshkigal) just like the Irminsul needs it's own Avatar to represent themselves in teyvat as their will. This would be more interesting but, Ereshkigal is associated with earth (would that mean geo is the source of abyss well it'd make things even more complicated) although in Irkalla, there's Pazuzu a wind demon and protector god Pazuzu is described as demon in home but also he protective to pregnant mothers and children, keeping away unwanted guess and loves wandering around and traversing the mountains, definitely not similar to a certain bard, only strengthen my thoughts of venti were being sent by Istaroth to free the people of monstadt from Decarabian tyranny. This is still grinding everyone's head because 4 shades of primordial one but there's only 3 moon sisters but let's ignore it for awhile Hoyoverse never limits themselves in one mythology as we all know but they the the astrology a bit too much Thanks for the video Ashikai have good rest and hopefully your back is alright for carrying the genshin lore community.
Really makes you wonder why Paimon is constantly referred to being "silver" or "moon-like". .. And there was a time when Paimon was theorised to be related to God of Time. Istaroth being so closely related to Seelies narrows down Paimon's identity to quite an interesting list of possible options.
Already for some time I've been thinking that Shade of Space aka Susty being the Sun was a logical thing, because 1) Susty's hair is blindingly white and 2) the sky being representation of space and sun being representation of the sky seems to be not too farfetched (especially in chinese mythology where the god of the sky or the sky itself is the highest deity). And now I see how logical it is for other three shades be the fate goddesses: life represents birth, time represents person's time on earth and death is death. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
Hoyo always surprises me with the layers of lore. Everything they do is another piece of the puzzle on how the world of Teyat works. The even the what appeared to be jumbled jiberish on Mona's scryglass has lore significance. I now don't want to but also kinda do want to know how much time and effort and thought goes into every minuscule detail in this game. Also this was an amazing video! My mind is still trying to digest what you just put on the table since this video blew my mind. The last two parts were pieces of art and this third part didn't disappoint. I'm excited for when the fourth part comes out and I can proceed to enjoy this series and your masterfully crafted theory videos. Keep up the great theories!
So technically there are 4 God of time and maybe the god of time that venti might be familiar with is the other moon sister that have fallen not the goddess of flower. So maybe the goddess of flowers is essentially "ruling" the water while venti "friend" is "ruling" the wind and the others are earth and fire. Which is the sun for the fire and the moon that we see in teyvat is "ruling" the earth. Boom Case Solved Edit: and maybe this follows the directions too. The goddess of flower is in the west, venti "friend" is in the east, the sun is in front of us and the moon is behind us and vise versa. This also means that paimon could still be a god of time.
As a human named after Uriel i was always interested in my namesake and there are stories about Uriel being connected to (or even being pseudonym for) Lucifer the Morningstar 🙈🙈
I’m not convinced. Most of it was very convincing evidence but I don’t think it means the goddess of flowers is istaroth. The goddess of flowers is related to her, of course, but I think that her connection with water makes this a leap… it’s always been wind and time it woudlnt make sense to suddenly change it to water last minute. While wind is more associated with time, water is associated with fate. I think they’re related, but I don’t think theyre the same. King deshret could have been a follower of istaroth wihtout it having to be the goddess of flowers.
@nightmare the possibility is convincing but I’m not completely sold, I believe they are definitely related and the paradise list set suggests that the goddess pf flowers May still be alive, which would line up with what we’ve seen about istaroth, but I can’t just dismiss the inconsistencies between their elemental characterizations and what their described powers are. I think it’s more likely that she’s one if the sister, but not is istaroth herself. I’m not sure if there’s any confrontation that the moon sisters are part of the 4 shades, but if they’re not that’s 3 + 4 and one could correspond to each element
I agree. I love Ash's theories but this one is just completely wrong imho. It makes no sense why the Istaroth would be the GOF when she's deity in Monstadt and now suddenly is in Sumeru to hang out with with King deshret and Rukkhadevata then died there. It does not add up with any of the timeline of the god of time. Their powers also doesn't match up, this is too much inconsistency.
Whenever your theories sound too crazy to be true and like you're just madly speculating, I remind myself that you brought home the hydromancy segment of this video.
Once upon the silver dunes, she [goddess of flowers] danced with the three sisters of the moon. - Tulaytullah's Remembrance. I'm just saying. Probably the Goddess of Flowers was not a Moon sister. Well, all your theory may be true, all except Istaroth being the Goddess of Flowers.
I have some more to add to the idea that the other 2 moon sisters being shades of Phanes. A popular theory is that the each artifact represents a shade + Phanes. The Circlet of Logos represent Phanes because the symbol it is represented by is a crown, therefore connecting to Phanes as he is king/ God with a capital G. Also it is fair to assume that Sands of Eon represent Istaroth with her being the god of time and what not. Asherah is associated with the tree of life. Coincidentally, we have an artifact called flower of life. But then what is the other moon sister connected to? The youngest of the Moirai was responsible for the beginning of life, which connects with Asherah. The middle sister was responsible for the events that played out in life, which connects with Istaroth. The eldest cut life with a pair of scissors, causing death. Coincidentally, one of the artifacts is called the Plume of Death. Most of this proves your theory. The only problem with it is that Anat, the last of the trio that Astarte is associated with, has nothing to do with death. What are your guys’ thoughts?
This theory blow my mind into chunks of meat. Especially the part Mona's charged attack being in the shape of a star similar to some of the enemies and the king because I just got Mona when I tried summoning the Wanderer. Ps: I've been wanting to get Mona since laying eyes on her. So I'm not mad that Wanderer didn't descend from the firmament.
Who do you think spoke to us at the end of the 3.3 interlude quest? Could it have been Istaroth or someone completely different. From what the woman said, it could very well be Istaroth. We’ve been getting so much information about her as of late, it’s only a matter of time until we meet her.
Goddess of flowers... For some reason i cant get columbina out of my head lol, but there's no way she wouldn't be number 1 of the harbingers if she were.. Let alone working under an Archon.. right? Unless she has an ulterior motive maybe 🤔, but alas we know nothing about that woman. I love listening to theories, they trigger my imagination and entertain me for hours.
I won't lie, when you first made your assertion I was all doubt, but man oh man have you presented a compelling case. Big brained to the maximum extent!
Do you think that Voice at the end of the Scaramouche quest is Istharot? I bet it could be the Great Tortoise of Time that Nahida mention in her voicelines talking about Faruzan. It also appears on Nahida demo. (I would like to know if you heard the interaction)
Many speculate that the voice belongs to the hydro archon. The voice mentioned, “believe your own eyes. Only that which you see is true. What is unseen is an illusion.” Dainsleif say in the pv that she’s “The God of Justice lives for the spectacle of the courtroom, seeking to judge all other gods. “, maybe she came to witness the Wanderer “judgement”.
@@jayp2706 too much of a stretch...just because Focalors loves the drama in the courtroom, doesn't mean she's interested in everyone's "judgement". Istaroth is the more likely since the voice has more connection with the fate and time of Teyvat, rather than a lower god.
@@meltederaser376 For me, it's just guessing cause it’s not only witnessing the Wanderer but also the dendro archon Nahida. And not sure if hyv going to pull the same Nahida's voice preview at the end of the golden apple archipelago event too I can't wait for the further chapters of the story!
one thing about bottled jinn- remember the treasure seeking seelie event? the seelies from it are all bottled. yet another jinn-seelie connection for your theory! also, isn’t samael another name for lucifer? that’s where my mind went when you brought up lucifer in part 2 - “what does this have to do with the wall in the desert?”
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**NOTES**
- One thing I forgot to mention: there are a couple of notable instances where a "regular" seelie survivor didn't lose their form, however these instances are only in books (like in A Drunkard's Tale) and don't seem to repeat yet so I can't cross-reference them. Because of this, it's hard to tell what's exaggerated into a fairytale and what's actually real. Weapons and Artifact sets are some of our more reliable sources of historical lore, so until another seelie survivor appears in those, I'm sticking with the idea that GoF is the only complete seelie survivor we know of.
- We can now confirm that GoF was not one of the moon sisters thanks to the first couple lines of Tulaytullah's Remembrance which says she danced with the three moon sisters (and therefore isn't one). I COMPLETELY forgot about this line when I was working on this script as I started before it released. What this DOES mean is that GoF was of high enough rank to dance with the sisters in the desert and powerful enough to maintain her form when most other seelies died out. It's also quite possible that she's a seelie aligned with Istaroth specifically (like how adepti answer to Zhongli, each moon sister may have had their own "type" of seelie that followed them).
I'll correct this in the finale.
Is Guizhong actually Istaroth too???
Paimon has got to be a seelie. She's literally a fairy, she floats around like the seelie ghosts and has some similar design features. Seelies were guides for humans and she's our guide to the game. Also I remember something about one of stories talk about a seelie being the trapped under the ocean? We found Paimon under water with some seemingly missing memories. If the GoF horns can represent a crescent moon, Paimon's Halo could be a New Moon. Maybe she is a fallen fragment of one of the other moon goddess. If the Seelies are "angels" this would also give reason for her to have a demon name.
@@Izakyu If true and if Paimon degrades further, I wonder what type of Seelie she would be?
Also, we still dunno if the Princess in the Pygmies tale actually refers to Tsaritsa or Istaroth.
If Tsaritsa = Istaroth, then no contest best Archon.
Tsaritsa best mommy award.
Harbingers good children did nothing wrong kekw.
Also side thoughts. Seelies being guides further supports them or one tied to them being behind the Adventure Guild and Astrology as they are both ment to guide people
The amount of times unreconciled stars can be brought up in lore theorycrafting is insane. They really threw us a gigantic lore bomb this early in the game.
Unfortunately, Hoyo made the unreconciled stars a limited event instead of a permanent quest given the amount of story it has
@@lukeadriel2564 Yep, it sucks that they heavily rely on the fear of missing out formula when they choose the form of their content.
Events like Unreconciled Stars or Shadows Amidst Snowstorms (sus Albedo story for those who forgot the name) should never have been limited time only. It's a tragedy that many lore enthusiasts will never get to witness these stories first hand, but only as references by content creators or as recordings.
@@teldarin7557 Tbf recordings are kinda the same thing with less clicking/tapping lol
Imagine dropping huge lore bombs, have Scaramouche as an "antagonist", name dropping the Jester, and then making this a limited time event. Just Hoyo things
@@racool911 fair point, just minus the immersion 😅
the part where you decoded the scryglass literally made my jaw drop omg
SAME I laughed as I understood where was she going with the letters omg shes so clever
Ikr wtf I was dumbfounded
I need a drink now after witnessing that deduction
Seriously my mind was blown
SAME LIKE OMG
Went from a simple tale to an advanced level college history class spanning several religions and ideals. I like it. The 4th video is the surprise test that makes up like a 4th of your grade.
That's Ashikai for all of us 😂
Bro imma fail this test 💀
Oh gods, that gives me college exam flashbacks....
@@CryptidCritter i had some clases where I had only 3 or 4 tests and they literally made up my entire grade for that semester. The flashbacks are real.
The thing you mentioned about the Star of Ishtar somehow makes me more convinced that Khaenri'ah being called Dahri is not a coincidence...
In Arabic, "Dahr" means "timespan" or "age" that could extend from the smallest unit of time to however long the age of the universe is. But while "Dahri" is usually translated as "an atheist", it's more specifically "someone who believes that everything has existed since time immemorial".
The way hyv pick that word makes me think that it could be a wordplay that Khaenri'ah people are also "the people of (the God of) Time" since a God of Time exists and she was described as "The Mother of 4.5 Billion Years"..
I knew the atheist translation but I had no idea of this. Holy Mihoyoli that would be an awesome twist.
IKR!!
Its 14 billion years, but yeah
@@Chaffee738 Imma steal "holy Mihoyoli" in the future lmao
So could it be that Khaenri'ah and Enkanomiya had two different goddesses of time being two of the moon sisters and the third one could be revealed in the "Region Between Two Teyvat Nations™" in this case between sumeru and fontaine ?
Damn, to think that Dain's speech "How much she too loved these flowers" was referring to Istaroth the goddess of time and flowers is crazy
Yesss this was my exact thought!
No, that was a reference to Inteyvat.
@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh Inteyvat Are the flowers which "She" and someone "Too" loved.
I believe it's a reference to Lumine though, who in that video is the abyss twin. Dain says his memory has completely faded meaning his curse has consumed him, but he still remember Lumine loved the flowers enough to have them on her hair.
By the end of the game Dain won't be the same Dain we know now, but he will still have love and affection for his former companion
@@Crystaliiisms this. it was already mentioned in the chasm quest that it was a reference to lumine loving the flowers which is called "inteyvat" so yeah, prolly not a reference to istaroth.
I notice one interesting connection. The prayer about four angels at 23:10 says "over my head the God's presence through his Holy Spirit". In Genshin Manga, the spell Cyno used to cure Collei is translated into "Yhvh, Adni, Ahih, Agla, And above my head, the divine presence of God."
isnt yhvh the name of god in the herbew bible
Shooketh
@@bohan2495 This
I wonder what the four names mean? Are they also names for the angels? Cause that would be INSANE
@@bohan2495 and maybe Adni is “Adonai”? That’s another Hebrew word for god. Not sure about the others tho. Edit: apparently this is from the lesser ritual of the pentagram, so the other two should be Eheieh and Agla. That ritual also includes the “evocation of the archangels” that Ashikai was talking about in the video
Wake up babes new ashikai lore video dropped
She's becoming the matpat of genshin
Scarily on the money every time
I'm up I'm up
No
I spend the first 10 seconds of every time I open up UA-cam looking for a new Ashikai vid lol
@@Arian-11 that makes her not the MatPat
You weren’t kidding when you said that nightmare kicked you into action.
Holy Fricc. Literally just finished watching, and my mind is actually blown. Like I wouldn’t even be surprised if the new desert expansion confirms this next patch.
Ashikai you crazy madlad you did it again. You’re brain has to hurt from how massive it is. Like holy fricc, I need time to process this…. This is actually HUGE.
Seriously though, this is by far her best video to date. Actually incredible work.
@@rallyfan101 Yeah I agree too. Ashikai has made quality work so far but today's video reaches new heights and goes into new depths. Ad astra abyssosque.
Idk how the hell she keeps her head upright from the sheer size of her head is. How big of a cranium she has to hold all that pure brain muscle?
Remember some artefacts stated that a nail fall where the remain of the goddess of flowers are in her lunar maiden oasis? Remember the nail in the sandstorm coming next patch ? From the leaks it as some kind of oasis underneath... This theory might be true to much real
@@Sacration that could also potentially prove the Istaroth of the GoF theory, a Celestial Nail fell on the 'paradise' (Ay-Khanoum) where massive sandstorms raged, and the nail is literally surrounded by a massive tornado/sandstorm. Istaroth was know as "The Thousand Winds" so the fact that some wind-phenomena occurred where she (presumedly) died makes a ton of sense.
20:22 our daily reminder that Mona and her master SHOULD play a MAJOR role in Teyvat's story from now on, they're so important. Like come on Hoyo, give my girl some screen time!
Maybe during Fontaine...
Characters that need to become more relevant
- Mona and her Master
- ALICE!! seriously wtf is up with her
- Kaeya
- Ella Musk (seriously though do we think the Hilichurls have some kind of memory of Kaehrniah?😂)
- Zhongli needs to tell us wtf happened in Kaehrniah 500 years ago
No amount of cool lore will make Genshin’s story actually good you realize that right? They can still shaft a characters importance and give the screen time to a bunch of nobodies. (Sorry Itto)
@@wilburforce8046 Yeah but do you realise that what you think is good or bad does not define what others think?
I don't see many issues with genshins story, I enjoy it a lot and find that they put a lot of thought into it.
Not liking it is fine too, but you needn't be a dick about it though
@@francescapatti2934 I mean sure but I’ve seen nearly a hundred fictional stories in my time and Genshin is pretty bad despite having dark souls level lore.
Did anyone else notice the fact that the Unknown God’s cubes are in the sumeru irmunsul domain behind the tree?
One more reason to believe those cubes are data from Teyvat. Whether it represents souls, land, memories, we don't know.
@@arosdeco1629 memory data... Remember Nahida pulled scara's memories from her own collection... It was very cube shaped. Maybe that's what Zhongli statue is holding, a memory cube ... With all his repetitive lines about the old times and stuff
it's very sus that it disappeared after deleting rukkhadevata from irminsul. i thought it was an animation error but when we go back to the irminsul again in 3.3 interlude quest, it was not there. strange. it's like it is also a form of corruption that got deleted alongside rukkhadevata. is the unknown god corrupted?
@@naranikarsa1608 OsmANthuS WinE
@@arosdeco1629 Also the fact that when we entered Irminsul in Wanderer's quest the tree itself looked like it was a "router" of sorts?
By that I mean, if you look at the tree branches on top they kinda resemble circuitry and there is a particle going into them, like they are pulling "data" (and putting it into the leylines is my guess?)
Just pointing this out that in albedo's video that when "time and being" was mentioned that a cecilia was shown- cecilia irl is a lily and is a trillium flower
The name cecilia also means Heavenly lily
@@diegoplaza5429 does it - last I heard cecilia mesnt blind or something linked to heaven
With that amount of information, my mind just blown up. Now I'm more convinced that the mysterious voice that we heard in the latest archon quest was (possibly) Istaroth
It make so much sense. I founded it odd because Istaroth was never directly linked to Sumeru outside the Irminsul, but now, everything is perfectly clear.
If that happens it will be a big surprise, but it wont really be that surprising
I believe once we finally meet her we'll have met the 3 sisters because my belief is that Paimon, Ishtaroth and the Unknown god are the 3 sisters.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I’m not convinced that Paimon is an arch Angel/moon sister. I think she is either a seelie or one of Istaroth’s Jin. The fact that she can have her memory wiped by Irmisil multiple times is probably the biggest indication that she isn’t a higher being than the Archons of Teyvat. My thoughts on the three sisters are they are Istaroth, The Night Mother of the Abyss, and the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. One sister per plane of the world, Celestia, Teyvat, and the Abyss.
It's funny that you say this because I think Ashikai herself has said she doesn't think the voice is Istaroth 😭 it's so interesting to see people come to different conclusions from lore.
I had the realization about the letters on Mona's scryglass moments (ha, moments) before you revealed the Archangel connection. This theory seems to have a very solid framework unless we get some other lore bombshell that recontextualizes everything. The only thing I'm wondering about then is the timeline. If Istaroth originally was cast out into Sumeru's deserts, when was she co-ruling in Mondstadt or when did she help Makoto? And when did she die? Unless something about her nature as a Shade prevents her from being destroyed completely or something? Can she exist in multiple places at the same time? It would be a fitting power for a God of Time and we have Dottore doing something similar so...IDK???
Well. Istaroth is probably the very concept of Time itself. Remember the time space Ei is in, back in her 2nd story quest? It is surrounded by a very chaotic energy covering the entirety of the realm itself. I think that, the realm is completely isolated from the timeline; past, present, future, even alternate. It is nowhere, but it's everywhere. It is why Shogun said they were battling for 500 years. But to us, the traveler, it's probably only been 5-10 minutes has passed. I guess, in a way; this is probably what Ei would've envisioned of her eternity, neither moving forward nor backward, a complete stasis. This space is also the perfect place to plant the Sakura Tree, so that it can germinate in the past, and grow in the future, that we presently see the giant tree it is now. What I'm trying to say is, is that so farfetched to say that, she can be everywhere at different points in time? Different individuals/incarnations, yet singular? Is that not the THOUSAND Winds?
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iuMakes sense to me. If she is the God of Moments, that's a collection of individual experiences. So a being that is both singular and plural at the same time makes a lot of sense, especially for a deity of time.
Expanding on what I saw elsewhere in the comments which built on the point in the Video that the God of Time is linked to Wind (Anemo) in Mondstadt and potentially Water (Hydro) in Sumeru. Ashikai further points out that Istaroth's powers also seem to be related to Irminsul which is strongly tied to Dendro: Dreams, Life, and Memory. So perhaps Celestial beings, like the Shades and potentially the Twins, are able to harness all the elements?
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu Makes sense, but maybe the two presumed dead moon sisters were Istaroth and the goddess of flowers, who were both moon goddesses and time goddesses but still different individuals.
@@defiantmars9910 quite possibly. But we can only speculate until HYV decides to nuke us with Celestia lore bombs next region or two. I speculate we will get it by the time we get to Natlan. And Nahida already dropped us a lot of tactical bombs regarding our origin and the supercomputer we call Irminsul. And to expand on my point regarding Istaroth is the monstadt's thousand Winds, Enka's Kairos, and also Sumeru's GoF, I think the anime Campione can give us a better insight on how many different culture's god can be the same god in this context.
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu there’s also the possibility that Istaroth can influence people in different places and times through dreams. Remember in Enkanomiya she gave them the knowledge to build the light device via dream. Maybe she both influenced Venti and Makoto via dreams.
my brain exploded when you started deciphering Archangels' names from Mona's hydromancy circle, this is too unreal
There was also the water mirror in Enkanomiya that allowed us to look around the place. Hydro's purpose seems to be reflecting/manipulating light and showing us the true nature of things, which was highlighted in Mona's domain in GAA2.
Either this is a massive string of coincidences or Hoyoverse really did plan EVERYTHING right from launch...
It's impressive how much stuff they must have planned before they launched the game. So many things from the early beginning start to make sense. I'm sure other companies also put a lot of work in their lore but this mind blowing.
I honestly think that while this all makes sense its probably coincidental.
I just don't trust that Hoyo put this much thought into this game and don't wanna get my hopes up either.
😂
I mean Hoyo makes sure the lore makes sense before doing smth that is gonna be added to the game or smth
my man, if i remember correctly, the creator of genshin was trying to lunch it, ready in the first chapter, since 2013, but the result they wanted werent achieved, so they stored it and he continued to make the story
@@francescapatti2934 genshin was in production at time 2017 i don't think they have been doing nothing for so many years with so much money as budget there are lot of hidden lore like the thunderbird lore it was in the game from the beginning
When I first met Mona (after the Unreconciled Stars event and before the second Golden Apple Archipelago event), I thought she was a sham who couldn't actually tell the future, and it's absolutely crazy how OP her abilities actually are and how close to stumbling upon a huge lore bombshell she actually is. The problem is that the Archons (and presumably anyone as strong as them or stronger) can actually tell when they're being watched, as seen in one of Mona's voicelines where she tries to look at Venti's fate and she gets interrupted by a strong gust of wind.
I know that King Deshret/Al-Ahmar is not the main topic of this video, but I am so intrigued about his descendants one being Candace (who you put a clip of in the video hence making me think about this). In her character details section, it states that she is "The scion of Al-Ahmar". I found this really intriguing because scion has two meanings, the first being "a young shoot or twig of a plant, especially one cut for grafting or rooting" and the second being "a descendant of a notable family". The first definition brought me back to Nahida and Rukkhadevata as it somewhat reflects what Rukkhadevata said about Nahida; Nahida being the most important branch of her (or something along the lines of that I can't quite remember). Of course, the second definition fits as she is the descendant of King Deshret but the word choice just really irks me to overthink it. Additionally, Candace's design, particularly her heterochromia, made me think of Horus, where one of his eyes represented the sun and the other the moon. I also noticed that Candace's namecard description is .. really odd? "The burning winds of the past ruffle the heron's feathers, but the bird has eyes only for the morning star at first light." Both of these could further the connection (maybe???) between King Deshret and the Goddess of Flowers/Istaroth/One of the Moon Sisters.
Anyways at this point, I feel like I am just reaching out for anything but I do wish there was more info about his descendants. Thanks for another great video Ashikai and looking forward to the next part!!
finally some attention for candace:,)
Kandake unfortunately isn't Deshret's descendant - one of her character stories clears this up. None of the guardians of Aaru Village have been blessed by King Deshret, and "Deshret's descendant" is just a term used for of his people (or well, the descendants of his people)
@@hanako_2137 Thanks for telling me this! I haven't increased her friendship level that much so this wasn't available to me yet. Perhaps none of the guardians were blessed with his power but I do still think her design holds some importance. I hope we get some more info about King Deshret in next patch!
I think Candace’s namecard actually references something else! If we take Candace to be the heron (as referenced in her kit and design), it’s saying that the past - the treatment of her people by Sumeru - always threatens to play on her mind. But, she only has eyes for the “morning star at first light”. The morning star is a reference to Lucifer, who was the angel of the dawn. Dawn or first light can be taken to mean the concept of hope. It’s thought that the Traveler(s) are actually Lucifer - the first shade of the Primordial One and the most powerful of all archangels. So her character card is saying that Candace is looking towards a hopeful future because of the Traveler!
@@sparrow5701 Wow thanks for clarifying it for me! I have heard of that theory that the Traveller could be Lucifer, but I never thought of linking it together with this namecard. I only recently started to learn more about Genshin Lore so I'm grateful when people explain it to me
98% of my brain cells: "Trying to listen to Ashikai and connect the dots in lore videos to come up with a good conclusion about the secrets in Teyvat"
2% of my brain cells: "Imagine Ashikai cosplaying as Yanfei behind the mic while doing her lore videos"
Holy shit, you have a minimum of 50 brain cells at work... I only have 2.
The way you deduced the scry and Mona's design was mind blowing. It might not be meta but there's always a reason for designs!
To be clear: Ashikai didn't discover that one it's been known about two years. Well - unless she was the person who figured it out two years ago I guess.
This is such a crazy theory that makes so much sense that my mind immediately starts expanding on it and making it crazier.
So Mondstadt, the place with the most obvious connection to Istaroth, has a lot of flower association. Dandelion and Cecilia to name the most prominent. And then it hit me, remember Windblume festival? Where the representative chooses a flower to offer to Barbatos, and this is because nobody knows what flower Windblume really is, and that is because Windblume doesn't exist. Or... does it? What if Windblume did exist but got erased from existence and the name remained but got rewritten as a code used by the rebels of the Old Mondstadt? And maybe Venti, being the suspicious fellow he is, suspects that the flower did really exist but doesn't know what so he keeps asking Mondstadters to offer him some flower hoping it might remind him of the real Windblume? What if Windblume is or is related to Padisarah?
To take the theory even crazier, I realized that every nation has one dead goddess who is associated with flowers and has something suspicious regarding Celestia or Istaroth.
Liyue has Guizhong who is associated with Glaze Lilies and died for very mysterious reasons and left Zhongli a puzzle that is suspected to contain the knowledge she discovered that Celestia didn't want her to know.
Inazuma has Baal who is associated with sakura and did something very similar to the priest who told the gardener how to instantly grow a tree into a 500 years old tree.
And then Sumeru of course has the Goddess of Flowers.
So the theory: I propose that every single one of these goddesses Guizhong, Makoto and the Goddess of Flower are ALL incarnations of Istaroth who, despite the deaths of her incarnations, is still alive. They are sort of gods born as the branches of time. And on that note, maybe Venti is, or has been made into, one as well.
would this mean ei is also an incarnation of istaroth? that would create an interesting story
3.3 spoilers ///
I had a thought
the fact that the only evidence of the life of Kuni/Scaramouche was a story written as a fairy tale it adds validity to the princess & six pygmies possibly having real information & all other tales really 😅
That was actually my first guess as to how that could apply! Although I'm not sure why the Abyss would know that it had value, the idea of stories being "hidden" events of Teyvat's past gives the book some possible value.
Wonder if Thats the Real reason Alice is helping yae with the publishing house, knowing the sacred sakura tree will eventually vanish they are saving as much of what happened there
a channel called 'the hexenzirkel' has been talking about this in recent videos!!
@@lovelambs8870 I'll have to check them out! This is something I find particularly interesting in Genshin's lore... how many unassuming story books are just hiding information in plain sight?
@@lovelambs8870here is also Rozenvelt too, the less known Genshin lore theorist making a video about Shattered Helbert and how it might have connection with Khaenriah.
After over a year of break from Genshin I finally caught up to Ashikai and bwaap's videos for the second time. Time for the first real time watch in a while 'v'
Post-watch edit: holy.....
Holy moly Ashikai, you're like a literal detective! Thruought this entire video I felt like I'm watching an episode of Sherlock Holmes or something. I'm so impressed. Massive props to you.
exactly, like. when she decoded mona's scryglass i was just sitting there, laughing incredulously.
Or maybe she works as an investigator in any special or intelligence services ?? 😉
when ashikai posts, everything in my life stops
23:13 Could the Hexenzirkle worshipping the 3 moon goddess and studying the Leylines be a reference to the actual Wiccan practices of studying the lunar fazes and leylines?
As far as I’m aware, wicca reveres the Maiden, Mother, and Crone (the waxing, full, and waning fazes of the moon). The Maiden, Mother, and Crone also seem to relate peculiarly to the 3 fates of Greek Mythology as discussed earlier in the video.
It seems fitting that the witches of Teyvat would parallel witches in real life?
since a while back when i keep hearing about the three moon goddesses i keep thinking about the three forms of the triple moon goddess (at peast since i started practising wicca). her domain is the earth and life. to add to that, theres also the horned god, who is the god of the sun, hunting activities and something more but u forgot tbh. anyway, its an interesting idea, and if hexinzircle are at least in part based around wicca (though with the new knowledge it feels more like theure reaserchers of irminsul, like the organisation is not based around any gods, but knowledge instead, kinda.)
but even without it three moons and the sun feels intetestingly important. and theyre either shades of primordial one (making primordial one not a bible god) or making moon goddesses kinda just there, irrelevant
Random addon, since the 4 archangels are now relevant, Michael is the 42nd angel in the Shem Hamephorash, and there are also references in the loading screens to the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy about "life the universe and everything". In the hitchhikers guide the number 42 was the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Not sure if they're related but it's something I've been wondering about for A WHILE.
Also Michael's demon ruled at 42 is Vepar, which is a mermaid, which reminds me of Kokomi who is supposedly a reincarnation of the Sovereign Water dragon.
Just throwing all that out there. Maybe your brain can figure out what I cannot. 😂
It is also very interesting to notice that two common interpretations of a passage in Revelations have Michael as the one to cast down Lucifer from heaven OR to fight him at the end of days. Which is interesting considering the previous video's theory about the Traveler...
If the Sustainer ends up being one of the shades of Phanes, we at least know which one she would be 💀
The scryglass truly had me FLABBERGASTED damn this whole serie is incredible
EVERYTHING CONNECTS TO THE HEXENZIRKEL. Love to see it, I personally think they not only worship the moon sisters but that their organization was actually created by the God of time herself, just that maybe now she's not active. It's really hard to pinpoint who their leader is unlike every other genshin organization, and also Alice and Istaroth seem connected in Enkanomiya lore, and Alice is also very good friends with Venti, who's also closely related to Istaroth.
Praying the mysterious voice is Mona's master and she reveals herself soon so we get more information about all of this, personally I think Hexenzirkel will contact the traveler because they could use a "record keeper" and maybe Alice isn't as available right now
Sidebar: from all these lore videos, from Ashikai, i had to pull on banners to get Yanfei. Now when I see her idle animations, I know what she's doing: theory crafting the lore!
2 problems for me:
The Goddess of Flowers died a long, long time ago. I know that if she's a god of time then there's all sorts of timey wimey crap let alone the possibility of Irminsul being rewritten that you could torture into a technically permissible timeline, but it seems weird to me that she would later come to be worshipped in Mondstadt after having been cast down into Sumeru and doing a bunch of stuff for the Sumeru civilization and then dying in Sumeru. Also, not clear how she'd have helped Makoto.
The Goddess of Flowers doesn't really seem to fit with how Istaroth is described in any other context. The Goddess of Flowers's "thing" seems to have been to leave the biggest impression on people's lives as she could so that after her planned eventual death, the memory of her was as bittersweet as possible. That's not really Istaroth's MO? Nobody in Mondstadt remembers her, nobody except Ei knows she did anything for Makoto, the descendants of Enkanomiya deliberately forgot her. She's not usually so high-key. Or moribund.
Not saying you're not onto something, but maybe Flowers is the other cast-down moon sister.
I’m leaning toward Istaroth being the surviving moon sister, while the other two being the goddess of flowers and possibly Guizhong.
1- When it comes to spell vs prayer, in reality the two can be arguably considered interchangeable, at least when asking a higher divine being for help.
2- On thing you didn't point out is that while not directly tied to the Fates, Ishtar does have a(admittedly tenuous) connection to Greek mythology via Aphrodite(THE goddess of Beauty in Greece, so would make sense why Deshret became infatuated with her). Not to mention she was a mistress of Ares and was in love with him... but due to her marriage to Hephaestus couldn't be with him. Taking some liberties could The Primordial One(replace marriage with loyalty) take the place of Hephaestus and King Deshret take the place of Ares? Which would be thematically beautiful in a sense, a Shade inspired to a degree(possibly) by a goddess that was introduced to the Greece from Egypt and Mesopotamia returning to an area inspired EXACTLY by that after helping a Greek Civilization.
3- Couldn't the fact that ALL the archons have demonic names rather than god names be a sign they are or are descended in some way from Phanes and the Shades and that's part of why they're on what's akin to a watchlist by Celestia?
4- Could part of the reason she wasn't recognized be that she (and possibly the other two) erased the specifics of who was the moon sisters from the Irminsul? They wouldn't be able to delete themselves(as shown by Scaramouche) but they would be able to probably make a clean break unless people were keeping an eye on every last god when they did so and suddenly noticed a god or three appear.
The eternal oasis has “frozen time” and it was built to honor the goddess of flowers… damn
Imagine when genshin officially releases these lores and surprises everyone.
Meanwhile those who follow Ashikai: we know!
The ones who know nothing: OMG A GIANT BOMBSHELL WAS JUST DROPPED ON MY HEAD THIS IS CRAZY!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Meanwhile the ones who know everything: shut up mihoyo! Thanks to ash we know all your secrets already! 😈
My mind literally exploded with the archangels section.
“Seeds of stories, brought by the wind and cultivated by time.” Makes a lot more sense if time is a goddess of flowers.
Also idk if there’s anything to it, but I feel like there’s a hint between the fantastic compass, the time dial thing by the Thousand Winds Temple. The compass itself sorta lends itself to the archangels and the way it controls local time in its domain and the time dial looks very similar, perhaps a more ancient form of the same device.
*Also Makoto believing in the power of all the transient moments that filled eternity and Istaroth being characterized as “the moment” aligns so well with the transience of a blooming flower.
Ashikai kept throwing proofs of theories one after another and I'm here for it. I'm no masochist but ur bricks make me feel pain and i love it as a lore enthusiast.
It's crazy how accurate you're theory crafting is when i saw the eternal oasis of stillness (which was made for the goddess of flowers) seem like it was frozen in time
I SAW THE NOTIFICATION AND I HIT IT LIKE LIGHTNING! I WAS SO HYPED FOR THIS THEORY! Thank you so much!
Edit: I can’t wait for you go over the lore bombs of 3.3 and now I’m even more hyped for 3.4, now if you’ll excuse me I’m off to go complete the golden slumber.
Holy hell, I feel like I just took a crash course in world religion and mythology. Thank god I’m familiar with a ton of these religious figures through religion classes and Persona/SMT, lmaooo!
I’m loving this vid! I think I need to do several repeat watches to really understand all of the mythological connections!
Goddess of flower warned king Deshret to not seek the forbidden knowledge nor to search for the master of the 4 shades but he continued his rebellious acts against Celestia, in the end she joined him in his madness.. until the heavens nuked them with a nail killing her, but king Deshret survived.. tried to resurrect her with forbidden knowledge, losing the civilization that he created with her in the process.
So no, Goddess of flower is dead for more than 1000 year ago, Istaroth helped protecting Inazuma when Kaenri'ah cataclysm took place 500 year ago.. For me they are not the same person, unless she is not dead but removed herself from Irminsul.
Greek here, kairos (καιρός) also means weather as in : " What a good weather we have today."
This feels like one of those videos we’ll all be revisiting in a year or two and going “holy shit”
i learn so much through your videos on such a wide range of topics that aren't just limited to genshin but all parts of the real world whether historical/religious/mythological. Whats amazing is how easily these videos can become a gateway into pursuing other areas of knowledge that you wouldnt know you'd enjoy or find interesting without interacting with it first. I really appreciate your knowledge and how much work you put into these videos as your passion makes these videos shine! So much potential ways to impact those who watch and their lives. I thought I hated history and ancient civilizations but I guess I just hated my teacher because I could listen to you speak for hours without getting bored.
This just makes me want the desert expansion even more now. Can't wait for all the new lore bombs. Hope we get a new Dainsleif quest though meeting Istaroth would be nice as well.
I finally got around to watching this, and man I thought I knew so much about the God of Time before this. These connections are things I never would have thought of myself, and it's making me realize that the Moon Sisters are something I haven't really looked into much before, but I really need to now!
The game is really more than what meets the eyes! Even to little parts of the game have hidden meanings which are all connected to one another
The lore of Genshin Impact becomes so much more interesting when hearing this analysis, I love it.
About Mona's relation to istaroth have you noticed her shoes??! in both designs they have the horns and a gem/symbol just like Inanna! The stars of ishtar all over outfits. Also in her character story she says something about "in the reflection of the water I see the ascension of the morning star" could this be istaroth or maybe the traveler? still very interesting now I really wonder who Mona's master is?
Yes! The morning star = Lucifer i.e. the Traveller. I still don't have Mona but want her so bad 🥲
Me at the beginning: what? GoF is Istaroth? I'm skeptical...
Me at the end: WTF Istaroth is a moon sister and GoF this totally makes sense.
I feel like this in every video.
This video actually made me consolidate one particular thought about elements in Teyvat I had since Sumeru's archon quests, that being that each element is tied to a "governing function" in Teyvat, I'll just list:
- Anemo is connected to time, as you stated all the possible sources in this video;
- Geo is tied to "storing memories" as said by Kun Jun and Zhongli in his 2nd character quest;
- Electro is (probably) tied to "energy", as is it seen used in Tatarasuna with the furnace, the theme of eternity that with Ei's new vision has basically become our physics law of Energy conservation (this is my guess though, I haven't dig enough to see more links);
- Dendro is tied to dreams as stated by Nahida and the whole Sumeru archon quest;
- Hydro like you re-stated in this video seems tied to divination and fate, which also kinda makes sense because all hydro users make "shapes" of something with their powers (Childe created water blades, kokomi jellyfish, etc.)
- Pyro and Cryo ??? because my guess is that it will be expanded in their region either directly like Nahida or not directly.
If you read (or anybody that wants to answer this comment) this, do you know if what I stated about electro makes sense or is something else entirely? (And in general if you agree with the other elements/know more about pyro and cryo)
im really impressed with how much things in 3.4 connect with your theory lool
I may be confusing things at this point, but didn't King Deshret fall in love with the God of Flowers? And didn't one of the Moon Sisters (or a seelie, I don't remember well) also fall in love, causing a catastrophe to Teyvat? It makes sense (at least to me xD) that this is all about King Solomon and Istaroth.
Thank you for giving us this masterpiece ^-^ Excellent work!
Just finished 3.4 world quest. Your theory gives me goosebump.
Yaaaaas! I'd been suffering from Ashikai withdrawal. I'm so glad that you dropped this video. I've been anxiously awaiting it :D.
Regarding the memory re write, there is that one line of the mysterious voice that proclaims that it doesn't matter which of 2 animals knocks over a vase, the result remains the same, implying that history did indeed change but end results remained the same
Thanks a lot for this series!!! I understood like nothing of this third part but I will rewatch it again and again since there is a lot to digest here. I have no words of how you link everything, literally I just started laughing at the Mona's glass part. Amazing. The hardwork put in all your content is simply incredible.
The gibberish on the Mona scryglass being broken down into GBL URL MKL and RPL made me jump up in my chair and go "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" my gawd, how did you even notice that?!
"Parable of the sun and moon which i expect you to have read"
Girl I haven't even logged in to genshin in three and a half months-
Well, the book was from Enkanomiya, so you had time to read it before that.
That book dropped at the beginning of the year. Enough time to read it since then :D
Yall think I got to explore enkanomiya properly? 💀
That's your loss
@@sshk1653 hmm, no, not really. I got around to being by the side of terminal relatives in their last moments, at all times. Definitely, not playing genshin wasn't "a loss" to me. Losing my family was. And, to me, dedicating my time to them until the end was a win. 🙃
My eyes have been opened to a couple of things.
1. Ishtaroth totally invented the teleport points. The teleport points only work once you interact with them, turning them from red to blue and seem to use your memory of touching said point to teleport you there at any time. Plus, the teleport points can be found in ancient ruins of past times like Enkanomiya, the Chasm civilization, Dragonspine, Tsurumi island ect. An inventive goddess of thousands of moments in time would totally invent something like that for convenience. It's even more telling that the flavor text implies only people from outside Teyvat know what they fully do.
2. By ascending Dori, you unlock voicelines about her basically telling you how she became rich. She found one of Alice's "inventions" and asked Alice if she could become her supplier. Alice was reminded of Klee when she met Dori so she said yes. When the Traveler asks if its a true story (cause the story was being told in fairy tale format), Dori wanted more mora to reveal backstory. We can pay Dori for Alice + Hexenzirkle lore, and since Alice is her supplier, its fair to say Dori meets with her often enough to know her and what she's doing well enough.
Wow! Amazing synthesis of information. Especially the scryglass. If the god of flowers is istaroth, then I wonder about how she is related to Venti.
By the way, Venti uses a bow and he is the one who taught mondstanders how to create wind gliders(and from that one quest with Amber we know that wind glider is indeed made of cloth, albeit a special one)...thus Venti can be assosicated with Time, Music, Weaving, Archery and freedom.
Also something on the Goddess of Flowers, she could be reincarnation of Istaroth, who came to guide Scarlet King. We know that Istaroth loved humans, and she had time and again helped out in preserving humanity. King deshret was ambitious, and so he was wanting to reach the forbidden knowledge, and Istaroth knew that it would plunge his people into danger, so she tried to interfere, but most probably other shades or the primordial one or the second shade, did not like her interference, and tried to stop her. As a result, a wounded istaroth somehow disguised as the goddess of flowers arrives in the desert, and meets up with King Deshret and tries to sway him and asked him to NOT pursue the four shades and their master. But fails to do so, and the world is plunged into despair due to the seeping forbidden knowledge. Now to protect humanity, she helps Rukkhadevata, and advises her to build temples(remember she also made abraxas build a giant temple...dainichi mikoshi, the light from which repels the vishaps), and rukkhadevata's imagery was very similar. Multiple temples erected, with rukkhadevatas powers coursing through them, repelling the forbidden zones(and forbidden knowledge is also connected to Vishaps and the underworld..thus connecting the scenario in desert and scenario in enkanomiya).
Assuming that Istaroth appeared again, and helped Makoto in creating that seed, that would mean either goddess of flowers never died, or she time skipped to the next point in time where she was needeed, or simply was captured by celestia, which made everyone think that she died.
Now, this here ties to..why is venti getting weaker with time. Morax and Baal are still plenty strong. The god become powerful the more they are worshipped, and we know that Mondstadt is very very religious. Infact they are the only nation so far released that has an institution dedicated to their Archons religion(the favonius cathedral), and every other mondstander NPC believes in barbatos' teachings and guidance. There is no way Venti should be weak, unless....his connection with Istaroth, who is getting weaker...is affecting him. So I am assuming, while all powerful, Istaroth, is not omnipotent, and is running out of time too fast. Either due to jumping time and spending way too much power trying to save humanity(enkanomiya, temples in desert, probably advising rukkhadevata to create nahida, helping makoto create the sacred sakura, etc.)...and this inturn is weakening venti. And all the archons are united to save Celestia from whatever is happening, without making it obvious. And Tsaritsa is actually the heroine, who is taking on the mantle of the Villain, giving other archons an excuse to act covertly.
I mean think of it
1 - Schneznaya is plotting something, that could endanger entire humanity, why have the archons not banded yet and destroyed schneznaya and Tsaritsa? No matter how strong, I dont think Schneznaya can defend if Barbatos, Baal and Morax unite their nations and declare a war(not even counting Focalors and Natlan's archon into this equation).
2- If abyss is so dangerous, why hasnt the archons acted yet and launched attack on its base? Or..not even trying to find our where its located. Why are they waiting for another cataclysm like the one that happened in khaenriah? We dont know about venti, but we know that Morax and Baal atleast arent actively trying to locate the abyss headquarters, Nahida has just been freed, so she might start google searching abyss on irminsul but so far she also havent done anything.
3- No matter how you look at it, fatui are obtaining gnosis, way too easily, with almost no resistance from the archons. As if archons were just waitting for the right time and excuse to discard them.
4- Venti no matter how weak,is still a god, and he couldnt escape or protect the gnosis infront of the favonius cathedral? Even Jean was right there in the building, all he had to do was make a fuss and signora would have been dealt with swiftly(no offense to signoras strength, but Jean, Lisa, Kaeya, Diluc, Eula....they all are fucking powerful in lore), and signora was trying to maintian a diplomatic relationship with the knights, so she wouldnt have dared act out of place if even Jean alone had arrived.
5- In liyue, Zhongli gives away the gnosis for that stupid test. I know and understand zhongli's POV, but he wont just give away the key that could turn the way upside down, just to test his people. He isnt stupid enough to just give the gnosis, knowing that whatever schneznaya has planned, will have far severe consquences than a giant water snake being freed.
6- In inazuma, baal didnt even care enough to hold the gnosis, and Yae Miko also just gave it away without any fight or resistance or negotiation. We dont know how strong balladeer was at that time, but we know he wasnt a god at that point.
7- Nahida also gives away, not hers but Baal's gnosis to dottore. Granted that dottore was too powerful for nahida to handle, but dottore even agrees with the negotiations that Nahida proposed, even destroyed his own clones....and last part, if dottore had the power to slay a god, why not go back on your promise, and kill or capture nahida once he had the gnosis? Wont it be more dangerous to leave the literal avatar of irminsul alive who can literally google search anyones address on a tree?
I am saying it again, Fatui arent the enemy, abyss isnt the enemy. Its all a front, and entire teyvat's archons have banded under this entire ruckus caused by Fatui vs celestia and Abyss vs the world. While i dont belive that abyss and fatui are collaborating, they are definitely not on opposing sides..and have a common goal.
Also, if you remember, Abyss was trying to create a fake god, The Loom of Fate operation.....and guess what Dottore did in Sumeru?
As soon as I opened youtube after coming back home, your video was the first thing I saw!! So happy!!
Ash: "This video is the final episode of a three-part connected series"
Me: *looks at title*
here's a crack theory to think about:
if we're assuming the goddess of flowers is the god of time, then perhaps she is a literal god of flowers, and that all the flowers that bloom across the world are her creation, it would fit her image of perceived time since flowers seem to bloom for but a moment when in truth they have lived long, fitting lives, in the same way she did. that's why mondstadt has a flower festival.
Regional material respawning and the Aranara quest with the Viparyas nursery stuff come to mind with that. It seems that like many things in Teyvat, memory seems to be involved.
That bit where the hexencircle connected to the angels left me in awe
I love me a four part trilogy.
Ashikai's videos > me trying prep for a job interview
since the goddess Inanna or Ishtar is mentioned
there's also to remember that she has a twin named Ereshkigal the goddess of the earth oftentimes associated as the ruler of underworld (known as Irkalla) the death goddess and the NIGHT
She's also described as the polar opposites to Ishtar herself.
Why i brought this up is might be insignificant to the video but let me explain,
Ereshkigal herself have an equivalent to the other goddesses too,
notably the Hattic goddess
Lelwani, similar attributes as the goddess of underworld BUT she's also responsible for DETERMINING human LIFESPANS that's also analogous to
the Hurrian goddess
Allani other than being worshipped the goddess of underworld known as the member of THREE GODDESSES OF FATE Hutena and Hutellura
THAT IS ALSO ANALOGOUS to
the Hittite SUN goddess of the earth that's also the goddess of underworld and GODDESSES OF FATE Tarawa and Hutellura.
(Hattians Hittite and Hurrians basically 3 different settlers of Anatolia but came in different times and places to live there).
All of those goddesses of underworld are also related to disease and sometimes the source of evil, could this makes a relation to abyss? maybe?
Ereshkigal too have a minor relationship with greek goddess
Hecate, notably associated with magic, witchcraft, light, crossroad, entrance ways, sorcery, knowledge of herbs and poisonous plants, grave ghost, necromancy and the MOON and the NIGHT and her later depiction is a THREE FORMED OR TRIPLE BODIED GODDESS
"what this information supposed to be in genshin?" well the three goddesses reference is pretty obvious linking to the three moon goddesses in general although only Ereshkigal and her equivalents are mostly have description of her powers but here, remember about the tale of Pale princess and the Six Pygmies? Could the Night Mother takes inspiration from Ereshkigal? Night Mother lived in the place similar to Irkalla and ruled in a similar fashion.
Now this is where I get wild and covered in tinfoil,
moon sister had a fallout after the wedding, and remember only one of them seems to survive, could that be Istaroth? and if Istaroth have another evil side, could that be the other one Is the "Ereshkigal" to Istaroth, the Night Mother who fell into the abyss? well there's weakness to this because where would the other moon sister be if there's Ishtar and Ereshkigal thingies going on.
Well let's just say that Ishtar or Inanna fell from heaven and becomes the Istaroth or Astarte, from her yearning for heaven she assisted the Scarlet King for the forbidden knowledge but instead dies then came back in cataclysm as the Avatar of Marana which implies Abyss as an object needing "physical sentient" form (that I'd like to call Ereshkigal) just like the Irminsul needs it's own Avatar to represent themselves in teyvat as their will.
This would be more interesting but, Ereshkigal is associated with earth (would that mean geo is the source of abyss well it'd make things even more complicated) although in Irkalla, there's Pazuzu a wind demon and protector god
Pazuzu is described as demon in home but also he protective to pregnant mothers and children, keeping away unwanted guess and loves wandering around and traversing the mountains, definitely not similar to a certain bard, only strengthen my thoughts of venti were being sent by Istaroth to free the people of monstadt from Decarabian tyranny.
This is still grinding everyone's head because 4 shades of primordial one but there's only 3 moon sisters but let's ignore it for awhile
Hoyoverse never limits themselves in one mythology as we all know but they the the astrology a bit too much
Thanks for the video Ashikai have good rest and hopefully your back is alright for carrying the genshin lore community.
The 4 directions makes me think of the 4 winds of Mondstadt :o
Okay, I am convinced you are a genius now, Ashikai. I am going to share this video everywhere!
THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!!
Really makes you wonder why Paimon is constantly referred to being "silver" or "moon-like". .. And there was a time when Paimon was theorised to be related to God of Time. Istaroth being so closely related to Seelies narrows down Paimon's identity to quite an interesting list of possible options.
Also this is one of my fav series! 💛
That hydromancy part had my mind blown. What a great 3 part series! You got yourself a new subscriber, can't wait for what you come up with next!
Already for some time I've been thinking that Shade of Space aka Susty being the Sun was a logical thing, because 1) Susty's hair is blindingly white and 2) the sky being representation of space and sun being representation of the sky seems to be not too farfetched (especially in chinese mythology where the god of the sky or the sky itself is the highest deity). And now I see how logical it is for other three shades be the fate goddesses: life represents birth, time represents person's time on earth and death is death. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
you are INSANE this is so good my lord
Hoyo always surprises me with the layers of lore. Everything they do is another piece of the puzzle on how the world of Teyat works. The even the what appeared to be jumbled jiberish on Mona's scryglass has lore significance. I now don't want to but also kinda do want to know how much time and effort and thought goes into every minuscule detail in this game. Also this was an amazing video! My mind is still trying to digest what you just put on the table since this video blew my mind. The last two parts were pieces of art and this third part didn't disappoint. I'm excited for when the fourth part comes out and I can proceed to enjoy this series and your masterfully crafted theory videos. Keep up the great theories!
You're as impressive as the loremaker themselves. Thank you for all of this fun times.
I love how SMT has the perfect depictions for almost any mythological deity so it becomes the baseline to get images from
So technically there are 4 God of time and maybe the god of time that venti might be familiar with is the other moon sister that have fallen not the goddess of flower. So maybe the goddess of flowers is essentially "ruling" the water while venti "friend" is "ruling" the wind and the others are earth and fire. Which is the sun for the fire and the moon that we see in teyvat is "ruling" the earth. Boom Case Solved
Edit: and maybe this follows the directions too. The goddess of flower is in the west, venti "friend" is in the east, the sun is in front of us and the moon is behind us and vise versa.
This also means that paimon could still be a god of time.
That is actually a wonderful idea.
I literally got goosebumps when you explained the scryglass from Mona. You're amazing and you're wonderful to listen to!
I just wanna thank u so much for your work.
Every time I watch your videos, I fall in love with genshin lore even more 😍
Goes to show how much research was thrown in the world creation of Genshin impact. Best fantasy/myth game of our time. 😳😭😍
As a human named after Uriel i was always interested in my namesake and there are stories about Uriel being connected to (or even being pseudonym for) Lucifer the Morningstar 🙈🙈
This theory makes even more sense with the things added in 3.4!
I’m not convinced. Most of it was very convincing evidence but I don’t think it means the goddess of flowers is istaroth. The goddess of flowers is related to her, of course, but I think that her connection with water makes this a leap… it’s always been wind and time it woudlnt make sense to suddenly change it to water last minute. While wind is more associated with time, water is associated with fate. I think they’re related, but I don’t think theyre the same. King deshret could have been a follower of istaroth wihtout it having to be the goddess of flowers.
@nightmare the possibility is convincing but I’m not completely sold, I believe they are definitely related and the paradise list set suggests that the goddess pf flowers May still be alive, which would line up with what we’ve seen about istaroth, but I can’t just dismiss the inconsistencies between their elemental characterizations and what their described powers are. I think it’s more likely that she’s one if the sister, but not is istaroth herself. I’m not sure if there’s any confrontation that the moon sisters are part of the 4 shades, but if they’re not that’s 3 + 4 and one could correspond to each element
I agree. I love Ash's theories but this one is just completely wrong imho. It makes no sense why the Istaroth would be the GOF when she's deity in Monstadt and now suddenly is in Sumeru to hang out with with King deshret and Rukkhadevata then died there. It does not add up with any of the timeline of the god of time. Their powers also doesn't match up, this is too much inconsistency.
Whenever your theories sound too crazy to be true and like you're just madly speculating, I remind myself that you brought home the hydromancy segment of this video.
Once upon the silver dunes, she [goddess of flowers] danced with the three sisters of the moon.
- Tulaytullah's Remembrance.
I'm just saying. Probably the Goddess of Flowers was not a Moon sister. Well, all your theory may be true, all except Istaroth being the Goddess of Flowers.
I have some more to add to the idea that the other 2 moon sisters being shades of Phanes.
A popular theory is that the each artifact represents a shade + Phanes. The Circlet of Logos represent Phanes because the symbol it is represented by is a crown, therefore connecting to Phanes as he is king/ God with a capital G. Also it is fair to assume that Sands of Eon represent Istaroth with her being the god of time and what not.
Asherah is associated with the tree of life. Coincidentally, we have an artifact called flower of life. But then what is the other moon sister connected to?
The youngest of the Moirai was responsible for the beginning of life, which connects with Asherah. The middle sister was responsible for the events that played out in life, which connects with Istaroth. The eldest cut life with a pair of scissors, causing death.
Coincidentally, one of the artifacts is called the Plume of Death.
Most of this proves your theory. The only problem with it is that Anat, the last of the trio that Astarte is associated with, has nothing to do with death.
What are your guys’ thoughts?
This theory blow my mind into chunks of meat. Especially the part Mona's charged attack being in the shape of a star similar to some of the enemies and the king because I just got Mona when I tried summoning the Wanderer.
Ps: I've been wanting to get Mona since laying eyes on her. So I'm not mad that Wanderer didn't descend from the firmament.
Your channel is probably my favourite when it comes to all the lore stuff, thank you for making all this content
Who do you think spoke to us at the end of the 3.3 interlude quest? Could it have been Istaroth or someone completely different. From what the woman said, it could very well be Istaroth. We’ve been getting so much information about her as of late, it’s only a matter of time until we meet her.
YOOOO the letters in the scry glass corresponding to the angel names blew my fucking mind, great job finding all these clues
Goddess of flowers... For some reason i cant get columbina out of my head lol, but there's no way she wouldn't be number 1 of the harbingers if she were.. Let alone working under an Archon.. right? Unless she has an ulterior motive maybe 🤔, but alas we know nothing about that woman.
I love listening to theories, they trigger my imagination and entertain me for hours.
I won't lie, when you first made your assertion I was all doubt, but man oh man have you presented a compelling case. Big brained to the maximum extent!
If the goddess of flowers/istaroth is linked to Ishtar I wonder if there's any gilgamesh and or enkiru characters in the future?
There are red cubes floating around the Irminsul tree, and the sky is red too
Do you think that Voice at the end of the Scaramouche quest is Istharot? I bet it could be the Great Tortoise of Time that Nahida mention in her voicelines talking about Faruzan. It also appears on Nahida demo. (I would like to know if you heard the interaction)
Many speculate that the voice belongs to the hydro archon. The voice mentioned, “believe your own eyes. Only that which you see is true. What is unseen is an illusion.” Dainsleif say in the pv that she’s “The God of Justice lives for the spectacle of the courtroom, seeking to judge all other gods. “, maybe she came to witness the Wanderer “judgement”.
@@jayp2706 too much of a stretch...just because Focalors loves the drama in the courtroom, doesn't mean she's interested in everyone's "judgement".
Istaroth is the more likely since the voice has more connection with the fate and time of Teyvat, rather than a lower god.
@@meltederaser376 For me, it's just guessing cause it’s not only witnessing the Wanderer but also the dendro archon Nahida. And not sure if hyv going to pull the same Nahida's voice preview at the end of the golden apple archipelago event too
I can't wait for the further chapters of the story!
one thing about bottled jinn-
remember the treasure seeking seelie event? the seelies from it are all bottled. yet another jinn-seelie connection for your theory!
also, isn’t samael another name for lucifer? that’s where my mind went when you brought up lucifer in part 2 - “what does this have to do with the wall in the desert?”