5 of the WORST TRAINS EVER 🚂 History in the Dark 🚂
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
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Just in case ya'll missed the description, this is a reupload. The original was hit with a copyright strike and removed so I had to edit it.
Dang, that sucks
So, what did you have to remove? Just curious.
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wait who the fuck will copyright strike a train video
I laughed way too much at the 10800 saying “I don’t wanna work today, it’s just…I don’t feel like it.”😂😂😂 Great video btw!
you forgot to mention that the 6-2-0 crampton also exploded because the boiler was too thin
The *what*
Thats just a *minor* detail it’s definitely not *important* and definitely *doesnt need to be told* to *new* operators
I remember when the I used to see the pacers almost every day, and I could hear them from my classroom, almost 2 miles away. And that was only 3 years ago, and the only reason I stopped hearing them is because I moved to a new school. I can credit Pacers for not putting me off railranning, but instead fuelling my passion for trains. Long live the Pacer.
The reason the Pacers were finally withdrawn was because, a change in the law required them to be fitted with disabled accessible toilets which would have cost £16,000 per vehicle. As they were close to the end of their working life, the expense could not be justified. There are several preserved on heritage railways and some converted to other uses.
Regarding the AA 20. Nothing says Soviet Union like " we will show the decadent western capitalists. We build biggest steam engine in World. What does it work,,,,,,that not important. The dictatorship of the proletariat will crush them."
"Come, comrades! Listen to the sheer steaming power of socialist might and watch it go nowhere!"
6:03
The start of a _long_ feud between Darkness and British Railways...
Technically it started with the 10800
Nope, the SR Leader class. That’s when he gets up at them.
Half the reason BR are on both the 'best' and 'worst' lists is... well, there were made *so damn many* different types of train made here in the UK.
I heard it was because some imbecile decided that the number of diesel locomotive models had to match the number of steam engine models.
_Despite, y’know, the fact that most of those were from before BR even fucking existed, when every railway was privately owned and designed its own rolling stock, which isn’t a factor when you’re both the only player in town and switching to a technology with radically different designing parameters._
@@Xalerdane Would make sense, considering the stupidness of BR at times.
Both BR and BL would screw themselves over out of incompetence and over reaching. Even the simple things got made into a complex mess
@@Foxstar1387 But at the same time, both of them made/commissioned some truly amazing vehicles.
@BazilRat yup. The potential was there for both to becone total powerhouses in their given sectors.(possibly even globally) But failed to realise that potential.
So there's a Berkshire from the B&M, it had Big Boy numbering, T-1 classification, and a bad trailing truck. I don't know if you want to talk about it because no one should go insane over bad engines, but it did exist, and it's shaped rather strangley.
He already did, in Part 4 I believe
So this is why Diesels are the more villainous engines in Thomas the tank Engine.
The reason for the Leaders box like shape was not to mimic the trend for diesels and electrics it was so that it would fit through the carriage washers of the Southern Railway the idea being this would save on the cost of cleaning the thing.
6:06 the beginning of a wonderful relationship
The Pacer was one of the best trains on my local lines up in the Pennines, they consistently did their job, you got exactly what you expected, and they were really great fun! Plus there is not & never will there be again ANY train on UK rails that gave as good of a panoramic view of the incredibly scenic area I live as you commuted.
I was just here, again. Glad to note that this is a re-upload, I thought this was ep. 11 that somehow sounds like ep. 1. I shall uncross my eyes now.
I reckon you'd absolutely LOVE the 4-4-6 Thuile locomotive. Originally proposed as a *6-4-8 with 3 metre driving wheels*, it was instead built as a 4-4-6 with 2.5m drivers. The huge drivers meant that the boiler had a cross section shaped like a peanut (bad because uneven pressure dispersion), this thing had 2 cabs- one at the front for the engineer and one at the back for the fireman and breakman, meaning no communication between the two was possible. It probably would have ended in disaster, except the trials for it were stopped because the guy who invented it leant out the side, slammed into a lineside pole and died
The original design also had the driving wheel axles going *through* the boiler. The as-built design is slightly saner. 🇫🇷❤
So the AA20-1 was basically Henry in his first shape but on steroids.
Railbuses were a thing in the after WWII in many countries, sometimes even before WWII. France for instance introduced railbuses already in the early 1930ies, like the X 5700. After the war, you got the likes of the X 3800 and the X 5600. Germany put the VT-series on rails (most famous the VT95), and East Germany had a similar design running as VT 2.09. Because they were mainly used on rural relations, they had nicknames like "Ferkeltaxe" (piglet cab).
As you said: They were cheap to build, cheap to operate and replaced the old tank engine pulled trains on relations which were too small to operate with full trains or DMUs.
In the States we never refer to a "locomotive" as a "train". Is this common word usage in the UK?
Listening to this guy suffer in agony over British rail is hilarious.
Lots of steampunkers out there who love trains, too. There's massive overlapping with a community of siren lovers, which has BIG overlap with ... us, the stormchasing community. The nerdiest community I've ever seen has been the city bus community. They also knew the most obscure, trivial things right off the bat that I've seen out of ANY community - there are busses out there with service records that may as well be Medal of Honor-laden military careers from what they say.
The Pacers were often quoted in numerous past magazine articles and books as being cheap to run and saved many branch lines from closure. This is now usually misleading according to one more recent article written by one engineer whom has worked on them. Coupled with their costly introduction, they costed a lot more to run and maintain than the Sprinter type trains in view of the longevity of components concerned and they did not save branch lines from closure.
First time british rail appeared in a list
"Listen to that horn!" Funny as hell.
unfortunately, the energy efficiency of a steam train compared to modern motive powers is woeful. The only advantage of a steam train today is that it can use renewable fuels (wood) that also don't add Co2 to the carbon cycle. Unfortunately, this can also be achieved with eletric locos as well.
And that is exactly why mackwell locomotive in New Zealand is working on a steam system for locomotives and tractors
#3 the Crampton layout was crazy popular in France and lasted clear into the turn of the century on high speed express locomotives.
people in the north of england are starved of wealth while everyone in london is obscenely rich. this is why there's no budget to have nice trains
In the case of the pacer trains... Ain't nothing more permanent than a temporary solution
0:21
Hitd: **says liking trains isn't something to be proud of**
Me: that's false
That's the comment I posted on the original upload
Haha reference go *AAAAAAAAAAAA-*
01:53 Philadelphia ran Pacers too! (SEPTA)
Something about the back round music you played in the video talking about the failed British rail designs is probably the same music that the Dursley's played at Vernon and Petunia's wedding and continued to play during their leisure time as well !
6:03
Somehow the body design very closely resembles a locomotive designed to run on deep level tube lines in London! :)
The curse where British Railways never leave your list
I was so confused at first then saw the description
Gods damn the way that Pacer moved reminded me of the articulated busses that UPS Worldport used to transport us employees around. These weren't transit busses mind you, imagine something like an airport/party bus pulling another one with the front end lopped off with a coupler like... well probably the Pacers.
They arnt trains, they are locomotives. Trains are what they pull.
The Wonder Engine. It's a wonder how this engine even existed in the first place despite BR's lack of competence.
Without the Pacer, a lot of rural passenger services would have stopped
The Pacer, actually comes from an very advanced bit of design. In the 1960's in the UK there was a realisation that the work started pre War by the London Midland & Scottish (LMS) and London North Eastern Railway (LNER) in a joint facility at Derby (it had a wind tunnel in the 1930's) had pointed the direction to science and theoretical application of science on the railway.
The UK had started to introduce continuous welded track, but in doing so had experienced a sharp rise in derailments. One type of cement wagon ("Testrol") was becoming well known for this, and throw in a couple of serious accidents, a scientific investigation was launched.
In the end it was found that traditional jointed rail damped the hunting osculation of wheels on track, which up to that point was a poorly understood problem (the Japanese were starting to experience it with the Bullet train and developed a cone profile wheel).
To cut a long story short, in rail engineering, the ideal solution is a wagon/coach with four wheels, 2 sets at either end, that's cheap on cost to build and cheap for maintenance and hopefully track life. If a high Speed Freight Wagon could be built that also had only four wheels and could travel at a 140mph then this was ideal.
In the UK, research modelling at Derby (by now the Railway Technical Centre) led to HSF1 - High Speed Freight Vehicle 1. On a test rig it reach a 140mph, and most importantly, proved that the new theory of track to wheel relationship was correct and that the "worn wheel profile" stopped the hunting oscillation which led to derailments. At the same time the UK was involved with building the tilting Advance Passenger Train (APT), and the work with this knowledge on wheel profiles was to be used in the bogie design. One of the APT stipulations was no flange contact with the rail on a corner!
For a whole host of reasons the freight market ended up pursuing other options, and the APT ended up on another trajectory, and the work, whilst critical went no further..... Until someone was looking for a way to keep rail lines open in the late 70's early 80's.
By applying the design principles of HSF1, as as I understand it, drawing on some features very heavily, and the bus design, a low cost train could be put on the track with **acceptable** ride behaviour.
I rode on Pacers for 10 years, they are hideous and horrible, but, and this is the point, they could keep close to line speeds on busy routes (Leeds to Doncaster / Leeds to York / Trans Pennine - extremities and core) so paths still existed for fast trains and they could do commuter traffic. They kept rural stations open, and many lines survived because of them, we should never forget that.
But at the core of the idea was a four wheel high speed wagon design, may be the addition of cardian shafts, engines etc prevented the ride quality that they maybe should have had.
The Sprinter family that came on behind (mostly a modified High Speed Train MK3 coach) with Bogies, were far better and it has to be said, are missed.
Genuinely fascinating, thanks. Agree the 150 /155 / 156 sprinters deserve to be on a 'best of' list. They are a bit tired now but were revolutionary in the 80's.
Not many people are so balanced on the subject of Pacers. It all seems to be mostly hate when they are mentioned. So, thank you for putting the history and a balanced view forward.
I don't think the Pacer is ugly, but I do like busses, so my opinion is probably biased.
The leader was made by Southern Railway, and Oliver Bulleid's name is pronounced "bullied", deservedly, in a way, just as its Bulleid's Leader, probably should've been "Bully me leader" tho ngl. I've heard them described as "A London Underground battery loco on steroid, jacked up on bricks"
3:50 The GM Aerotrain was ALSO made up from GM bus bodies on a 4 wheel freight chassis.
Its riding characteristics were much the same.
In my opinion they should of made the aa20 a 4-6-8-4, 4 steering wheels, 6 driving wheels with a gap and another 8 driving wheels then 4 trailing wheels which would of been much easier
Maybe they could've used to make a prototype for the P38's, which were 2-8-8-4 Yellowstones. They were built in the 1950's when it was obviously still around
Oliver Bulleid was a maverick. But for every disaster like The Leader, there was a masterpiece like the West Country's, Merchant Navy's, Battle of Britain's and probably his best the mighty Breadloaf the Q1. The Q1 was (im not 100% on this) the most powerful 0-6-0 EVER to enter service. And despite its unfortunate looks, i mean the boiler casing is practically shaped like a loaf of bread, it was successful. Glad one of the Q1s got preserved
I hear you like the idea of a modern steam engine. Boy, do I have an idea for you. Induction heated, partially computer controlled steam engines
Meanwhile I'm sitting here in a tiny town in the rural part of an upper Southeastern US state and wishing for something as nice as a Pacer. Public transit here is so bad it's literally unusable for me, and I can't drive and don't have friends to drive me. Being Disabled and 'needy' is a good way to not have friends BTW.
This is where it all began.
11:50 you really need to talk to mackwell locomotive in New Zealand he is developing a modern steam system for locomotives and now because of the great sickness farm tractors but he isn't going to get very far if we don't help him
WE THREW THE TEA IN THE HARBOR, BUT IT WAS 200 YEARS AGO
The pacer was based on bus body panels ie the Leyland national.
Being 4 wheel long wheelbase chassis they were referred to as "nodding donkeys"
Pacer trains and similar types on the west coast line in the lake district are aptly named 'West Coast Boneshaker'
Idk about anyone else but i live in Britain and from these videos make me question some of br locomotives
We need to have more wooden trains that are more like some of the trains in these lists
8:18 For the Liter locomotive (didnt catch spelling), the designer should've just made a classic-style steam locomotive design, then built a box car around it. It probably would've performed better, and would not have the safety hazards you mentioned, not to mention being much more cost effective.
What a blast from the past, intresting to see how his mic and intro changed, but not his mood while filming 😁
the pacers probably rode on track that was effected by deferred maintenance. lol judging by the condition of the cars. they are nasty.
The leader looks like an London tube train on the top half .
I don’t know why, but the 10800 looks like a weird ALCo diesel.
What’s the music for the pacer train segment
SR Leader Class: Emotional Damage
I knew what the leader was as soon as I saw it because i drove one in a game i play once in a while
You're not picking on us, BR was in fact that bad.
and is being resurrected in the guise of GBR Great British Railways.
@@Foxstar1387 Dammit you're right! 🤦♂️
@@Foxstar1387 So you're saying they're like the Simpsons in that they refuse to die?
@s.p.d.magentaranger1822 pretty much. Though the new BR as GBR. Is a totally new entity. With nothing to do with the old BR. As the bulk of the operations will be done mostly by contracted companies. GBR will be like the host or government department-branch.
@@Foxstar1387 I see. I just saw an opportunity for a funny joke.
I rode a pacer. I thought it was because their rail system was just poorly maintained.
They also had the bigest rocket in the world for a time
10800 was subsequently purchased by Brush Electrical Engineering and became the testbed for the first asynchronous locomotive.
Did they use hot bulb diesels in the 10800?😂🤣😂🤣 That would explain the wonder if it'll go thinking of the crews.
The 6-2-0 looks like something I've seen in a cartoon.
The 10800 reminds me a lot of the Dutch class 1000, aka Crippled Mary.
They even share some looks
I wish they hadnt scrapped the AA20 Something that fekin big was begging to be in a museum for just the shock value.
Four "training" wheels? I guess you could call them that.
The 10800 was better and more reliable than the class 15 and 16 locos which followed it. And the pacers were amongst the better trains when they first came out. Great for short journeys. I will miss them now they are gone... bus seats ana all.
Pacer Train - I enjoyed working them, I signed from 2008-2020, I can tell you the ride could be interesting and the rear cab ride wasnt any better
The bus seat sets were considered "westy" sets the Yorkshire sets had 2x2 sat configs which were better
9:00. Safety in those days. Lol. OSHA? Who’s that? Sounds like the new Chinese guy
Not all British built trains and locomotives aren’t as bad or worse. But some do have such weird appearance. Interesting video.
Bullied soon made a similar locomotive in Ireland called Turf Burner.
Love your vids
Once Stalin died it was safe to say it was a bad idea.
Did you ever look up the Baldwin Centipede? They had a bad reputation
Yes, it was on the latest installment (which as far as I know is Part 12)
Excellent vídeo my friend ! Greetings from Brazil.
Loving the video
I live in the UK used to go quiet regular to Leeds on the train one time I had to ride this pacer tracer train home that honestly was older than I was they was a awful draft and no toilet it was horrible and almost put me of trains for life. I got charged the same price as well
Living in Weston the ere is a rail way next to my bedroom and not far from me the train station runs and there has only been like 4-8 engines I have seen property running and doing a job on the rail way
So is the SR Leader Class basically like if British Railways sucked at trying to develop their own SP Cab Forward?
Wow I bet the Pacer shakes more than any Burmese train ride
The Pacers are a good example of the trap of "Make it Cheap!" GM gave up making cars in Europe after a succession of American general managers at Luton and Rüsselsheim competed with their predecessors in cost-cutting. Vauxhalls after about 1970 were crap (I had a Chevette) and Opels after about 1985. The Ural was touted in the 1970s as a Bargain BMW (After owning one of these Russian abominations briefly, I now ride real BMWs. No comparison!). On rails, the NZR rebuilt G class was crippled by no one being paid to sort out the blastpipe/funnel proportions, so that in service they had to be thrashed to get enough draught to steam well, and this exacerbated weaknesses in the frames and cylinders.
I HAVE ridden on a train that bounces & bounds long worse than the BR 'Pacer' that is still (for now) in every day service..
Personally, I would be looking more at the piss-poor condition of the Mid-North Coast line in New South Wales.
The train in question is the soon to be discontinued XPT based on the BR designed Intercity 125 High Speed Train, which has previously featured in another of your clips (Best trains you've never heard of?)
Which brings me to- THANK YOU!
First time commenting on your channel but been watching for a couple of weeks now...
Found you thanks to a thumbnail featuring a NSWGR C38- not one of my favouritest of that fleet, but have been pleasently surprised to find a few of our Aussie loco's featured now!
Thanks again!
Tips/my opinion on locos;
NSWGR C30 (NOT the 'T') & SMR10 class are the best looking tank locos ever to my eye.
Garratt's are better AND more sensible than Mallett's & while it may not be pinicle of Garratt's- you've gotta go a LONG way to beat an AD60++ (NSWGR again! :v )
The prettiest Garratt, besides the original K1 & K2, would have to be the 8cylinder TGR double Atlantic M class of 1912...
Oh, & Cli-Shay's are better than both Shay's & Climax's!
I had a dream where I built 6-8-4 steam engine
This can't be the five worst locomotives or self-powered trans they're not all diesels.
None of them were under water?
Hey, it worked fine. After dealing with British Railways (under many names) for years, the Brits saw the Blitz as a minor inconvenience not the terror the Germans thought it would be. You say you spent the night in a wet subway tunnel bomb shelter? Better than spending it taking a train to Sheffield?
The Leader could probably be pulled off with modern metallurgy and machining
I want a billionaire with more money than sense to make it happen. Oil fired so you aren’t cooking a fireman every trip, modern boiler efficiency. It would be a monster
At 11:29 did you say four "Training" wheels?? I always thought they're calling "Trailing"!!
However, for the Russkis maybe that's what they did call them, lol.
The New York subway is a mobile toilet/transportation.
Bullied is pronounced bull-id
If someone British was doing this, the Pacers would be at number 1…
You sure? I was chatting online to his grandson who told me it was bull-eed
*Me living in Northern England* sees the pacer 🤬🤬🤬🤬, ask anyone in the North about the pacers and you will get some horror stories
Hey don't look now but here comes British railways
Nice video of the leader
Nice research!
Please put the en57 in one of these.
I have a suggestion for the next entry Br class 40 or d-261 nicknamed bowler
Trying to find the video about the electric train that was too powerful
Zillertalbahn. Change my mind
Wuppertal.
I like trains and i would do a video called Top 5 Ridiculous Steam Locomotive
Hey dont talk trash about the leaders, they’re awesome!