Is Longines as good as TUDOR? (LONGINES SPIRIT ZULU TIME REVIEW)
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I don't understand the need to compare to Tudor. Longines has a greater history, models, movements, etc.
History and greatness aside, I've heard it said that Longines is Omega's TUDOR. Omega's lower more affordable tier. As Omega competes with Rolex, Tudor competes with Longines.
@@EscapementWatch I think this is true, as Rolex have put their prices up and Tudor have filled the gap. the Swatch group have changed their prices to pretty much match them.
For me, Longines is less tooley than Tudor. I have a Longines HODINKEE heritage that I love but it feels too nice and refined to be a daily wearer/beater. When I get a bb58 or ranger I intend to wear the shit out of it 😄
I think it’s a natural comparison given the price point. The Longines has better spec but folks will be drawn to Tudor for the Rolex connection and, for the uninitiated, brand prestige compared to Longines. My money would be on the Zulu time but for the money, you’re going right against Tudor and the Pepsi dial
@@EscapementWatch facts Longines does compete with Tudor and should keep doing so
@@Trilogysworld it's number 5 and has a global market share of 5.6% ... Tudor has less than 2%
I picked up the Longines Zulu time anthracite and green bezel on leather today and couldn't be more pleased.
Great video buddy. It's great to see Longines and Tudor being treated as competitors in the same segment. Too many reviewers seem to unfairly either push Longines down or push Tudor up. Quality, distinctive design, finishing and (to some extent) pricing, they compare favourably. With their parent groups they also sit in similar positions as luxury below Omega and Rolex respectively.
Tudor is above overall in term of brand.You have to be honest
@@fcporto1200 Tudor does not even come close in terms of the sales. And it has no character and continues to replicate Rolex's models.
@@pokpongl 😂😂😂😂 ok so Longines is better than Audemard piguet.
@@pokpongl just bought 2 hours ago my new Longine with green and gold. It's marvelous. I bought 1 month ago the moon face chronograph, a bit more expensive than this one. Both are incredible beautiful pieces. Screems quality and refinement. I love Longines brand.
This is a sick watch. I find it more exceptional than tudor black bay
The spirit line is the best thing longines has done in ages and they have done a lot of good lately. also i finished my seiko mod, your mod video really helped out so thanks.
Your welcome!
My favorite Longines watch by far!!!!
They've used both three and five stars in the past. I've got a vintage Admiral five star, so indicated because it has the 431 Ultra Chron 10Hz movement inside that beats chronometer standards. I'm so glad that they referenced this part of their history.
I could not agree more! A great looking watch.
Longines has been doing great watches for some years already and this one is another exceptional addition.
Have a IWC 3717 Flieger with AR coating on both sides of the sapphire and over a decade of moderate use the coating does scratch. Sent the watch in for its first service and everything was corrected to original spec including a replacement crystal. I agree it’s better for AR only on the inside of the crystal. Great review of this Longines but too bad about the date change. Thumbs up for u.
Beautiful macros. Really shows the topnotch finish of the watch
The Spirit Zulu pilot is a good watch and rotating mine as a daily option.
I have put mine on a Nato strap and use it for travel, swim etc.
It does the job and legible lume at night for the time.
Also good design and generally looks the part.
Thanks for the review. My Anthracite Zulu Time on the strap is wonderful. However, the date change is slooow, not done till 1:30am. I’d be happy with 12:30! The winding rotor is pretty loud. In 10 days of wearing, it’s only 8 seconds fast. That’s much better than my Rolex Submariner.
I think it's fun to root for Longines in the same way it's fun to root for Tudor. Both are high-potential historic brands with a design focus that are artificially (and a little unfairly) parked underneath other bigger brands (Omega and Rolex). That's why when they have a winner it just feels good. I have a Zulu time coming tomorrow and I'm really excited! Thanks for the review!
Congratulations! You are going to love it!
Great watch. Very tempting and one of their best. However still struggling with flat shape, longish lugs (some improvement here), male end links, and just a tad too large. Actually an improvement on one or two of the feature I just mentioned may change the size concern all together. The comment that this is best for 7.5" or above wrist is really a deal breaker for most of us.
I own this and my wrist is 7 1/4 and it fits well with a bit to spare. It will fit in a 7 inch wrist, especially of it’s a flat one.
In these comments there is analogies drawn between Longines and Omega and Tudor and Rolex. The thing is, Tudor is basically discount Rolex but Longines is distinct from Omega in terms of style. I want them both and am stuck between this Zulu Time and the BB GMT, and am leaning toward the Zulu due to its distinctively unique style and price.
My Longines Hydroconquest has the top and bottom layers and it's fine.
Really nice watch. What a nice Looking watch.
Thanks for watching!
I have seen this watch at the AD recently while looking to purchase something else. It really does look great in blue. My only niggle is the bezel that was a 24 click so only whole hours offset can be set. The Tudor GMT (OK it costs quite a bunch more of the hard earned $$) has a 48 click bezel that can accommodate an N-/+ 0.5 hour offset. There are many cities that are not full hours offset. It's a niggle only as I can train my brain to add a half hour but a 48 click would have been the icing on the cake. The date change on your review example seems odd at this price so could be a rogue watch. Most current Omega 3 hand watches also run at 25200 vph that cost a pile more so you might want to steer clear of them if a faster beat rate is a requirement. Personally I can only just tell the difference between 3.5Hz and 4Hz but you can definitely tell a difference side by side. Top side AR coating is a personal thing. The AR coating is not as scratch resistant at sapphire but possibly comparable to hesalite so I guess in general use it'll be more than fine but will show wear with harsher treatment. Another great review FT.
Yes I'm not a fan of the coaxial Omegas and the 25,200vph it is not a deal breaker for me in this case just a ding on the report card of this beauty. And great point about the 48click! Thanks for sharing and watching!!!
@@EscapementWatch lower beat rate = longer service intervals.
Perfect timing...I have this exact watch being delivered today. Can't wait!
Wow that was fast the video just went live! Hope you enjoy it!
@@EscapementWatch Now that I've actually watched the review lol... I'll have to check for the date change issue to see if it's the same.
I've handled another longines that changed an hour and 20min after midnight! I spoke to a rep and they said 3hours after midnight or less is acceptable. lol! Those 2 are the only ones I've seen do that. Usually they are much closer to midnight.
@@EscapementWatch So mine just showed up a little while ago. This one takes 48 min for the date to completely change over. It is kind of surprising, given my Hamilton and Tissot with ETA's have instant date change. Maybe the GMT module has something to do with it?
I mean it's really just a minor annoyance in an otherwise beautiful watch.
yeah it could be. I'll keep an eye out in future videos of Longines. I have one to film soon once I get some time.
My main feelings after one day of wear.
Plus points:
Looks great (especially the blue one).
Decent weight.
Ceramic bezel.
True GMT.
COSC.
The price point/discountability.
Good build quality.
Did I say it’s a stunner?
Bad points:
Noisy rotor
Jangly thin bracelet
Push pins
24 click bezel (useless for timing things).
Mine seems to start changing date at 10:30pm! And finishes at 12:20am if I manually do it.
I will keep an eye on it tonight in real time.
I don’t see the date change as an issue.
It’s not great but that’s the movement you are paying for (it’s not the most confidence inspiring) and who needs to know the date around midnight?
Great share! thanks
The bezel having 24 clicks is absolutely key to a GMT watch, its function is to show other time zones so it needs to be restricted to single hours on a 24 hours scale.
@@PaulJWells Yes, it certainly fits better from an authentically functional point, and although I am not usually into heritage designs, that is a big reason that I like this piece (It combines modern and retro really well IMO).
The Tudor GMT has 48 and I have managed to use that to time lunches, but it’s still a fudge, so as I like to do things properly the Longines has taught me to respect the GMT bezel, and I retract my initial reservation ;)
Another thing I forgot to mention initially was the box and freebie card holder.
The packaging fits the theme of the Watch really well, and the cardholder is blue and actually useful (but I won’t be using it haha)!
I think Longines are better, regardless of Longines usage of ETA movements vs the Tudor in-house movements built for their watches!! ETA and Longines companies are under the same umbrella company, The Swatch Group. Nevertheless The Swatch Group have made a deal between them. ETA produces movements that are proprietary to Longines, some refer to them as in-house movements others collaboration for a better price. True, way better price and also quality production at par!!! Adding to this equation, the materials Longines choose, carefully, in their productions are also quality ranked. Way better construction and better priced!! I have a Spirit Chronograph in blue dial bought it on a bracelet, bought an original brown leather strap and at the moment wearing it with a blue sailcloth Artem Strap, fantastic well made watch, no flaws except the bracelet is with the adjustable pins not withe screws!! Great video!!!
I have an AT that has the top layer coating. I was initially very nervous about it, but it has been my most warn watch over the last year and have no issues at all. I will admit, I was pretty nervous about it to begin with, but the watch has taken some dings on the crystal and has no scratches or marks.
A truly lovely looking piece, and I have managed to road test one recently. Solid build and great design for sure. However, the very 'late' date change is a real bug bear for me, as is the double top AR coating. I have a couple of watches with this and over time they do pick up swirls and minor scratches which spoils the look of the dial. You can understand why Rolex and many others avoid its use. The Tudor BB58 overall has a better quality, bracelet and movement, albeit it's a different type of watch.
I understand I'm worried about it for sure. And I rather a late date change then an early one lol. Imagine it changed 30min before midnight and I go to bed at 11:45pm. It may trick me on some nights thinking tomorrow is the day after tomorrow! Thanks for sharing!
My Breitling has AR on the top and it does scratch. Great when it’s new but problematic as it gets old. I prefer AR on the inside. My Explorer has no AR coating.
Awesome !
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Nice review! Surprised you reckoned case milling was sub Tudor? I'd agree Tudor has the edge in bracelets, but movement, case, dial accuracy I'd give to Longines.That line connecting the lume pips is pure watchmaking swagger! And this is a GMT for the price of a Tudor 3 hand. Re AR, I had a Spirit and it scratched easily - sold it when I noticed what was happening. Swirls easily and I'm pretty watch aware. Tudor better here. That said, I wear a watch for outdoor work, but we're talking clothing swirls. I've never scratched a Hardlex doing similar. Omega's AR coating (eg PO) is definitely tougher. Same with eg camera lens coatings - a $200 Tamron ain't the same as a $5k Nikon!
Yeah, the case on the Tudor is a lot more simple and deceivingly not as good as the Longines but when I look at the details and the clean lines and the polish and the brushing the tudor is so well done.
My Breitling Avenger has AR coating on the top aswell. No issues at all.
I love my Zulu Time, but I do have a small scrarch on the crystal due to the AR coating. That is my only complaint.
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Longines and Tudor are direct competitors in this modern market. The fact is, that due to brute strength of rolex in contemporary times and other combination of factors (hype for vintage designs, success of the black bay, doubling down on black bay variants) Tudor seems more aspirational than longines. Personally I hope longines gets off the leash it has been contained to during Walter von Känels reign and will find more taste-making consumers in all markets and dedicated collectors. Concerning overall success: numbers don’t lie. Longines has been top 3 or 4 for years in Sales. Tudor has not.
I have a 2002 Breitling Super Ocean with coating on both sides of the crystal and it scratches over time.
Thanks for sharing!
Don't know who's hyping pushing tudor beyond what it is. It's a direct competitor to longines. And longines is #5 in global market share around 5.6% .. Tudor is far down there less than 2% market share.
I guess OMEGA joins forces with LONGINES. They are both part of the Swatch group. I think OMEGA makes the Ceramic parts for LONGINES.
Dont forget Omegas coaxial runs at 25,200 as well, and that's an incredible mvmt
I do not consider it an incredible movement like omegas marketing makes it seem. It was an honest experiment that did not work out too well. But the movement was saved by the use of silicone. It improved its accuracy and allowed it to pass metas.
Tudors new movement also passed metas with the help of silicone but it does it with a traditional escapement and both movements have the same limiting factor, modern synthetic oils, so 10-year service. There really is no advantage to the coaxial except it's more complex and runs slower. The coaxial was designed to run without oil and have less friction at 18,000 VPH.
@@EscapementWatch It was a conscious design choice to use this frequency in order to extend the reserve time. Personally, I think it's a good choice, especially considering the COSC cert anyway.
I think my Omega AT has outer AR coating. I whacked it HARD on my wife’s car door. Looked at the crystal. Huge white scratches on the crystal. I about died. Then I gave it a good hard wipe and voila, good as new. Turned out to be my wife’s car paint 😎 😆
Thank god it was the wifes car paint!
lol
Lol. Only a watch enthusiast will be relieved that it wasn't their watch that was damaged, but the car.
Longines 🏆
A great watch. Is on my short list. Disagree with you in the bph subject. First you said you have a spirit on waiting list but that is also 25200 bph. Second, Lange, Blancpain and others have 18,800 bph and I’m sure they are highest horology than many others in your list. Great video, though
Yeah I just prefer a smooth sweep! It is not a deal breaker but just a small ding on its report card imo.
My over priced omega seamaster 300m 42mm has AR coating on the outside of the crystal, I'm just waiting to bang it on something and scratch that ar coating then ill really never wear it.
lol hurry up!
I choose longines
same...although the black version of the Zulu time for me..
The answer is yes
I'd rather this Longines over any Tudor....except the BB58.
Kevin O’Leary says that Seiko and Longines are the best value brands for watches…..IMO although it might be considered a cheapo Brand Tissot has really nice pieces at affordable prices as well
Some Longines like the Zulu time, Ultra-Chron, spirit titanium are better than Tudors. Some are not. The Zulu time is hard to beat. Period.
Hi!
I went last week at a dealer and saw 2 Zulus: 1 blue, 1 green/black. Both gorgeous. The blue changed dates at roughly 00:20. The other at 1:10! Is this reasonable? Would you buy it?
The 0:20 is much better. I've heard from many owners that even the 1 o'clock changes are normal with this watch. I would buy the 20 minute off one.
ANY watch with AR on the top is a no for me. It's a shame because I love Sinn but they do this too...
Longines is finished better than Tudor . You said it yourself it’s basically on par with omega. I’m a Tudor fan as well.
I have to agree with this. I own a Spirit Zulu and a 3861 Speedmaster and the finishing on the Longines is absolutely on par with the Omega. The quality of the brushed surfaces are identical on both.
100% Agreed...Longines Spirit Zulu has better quality than Tudor BB58...I have both watches in my small collection.
Nice comment
Actually I pull back my previous comment. It has ar coating on top? Dam I hate when watches have this. I have a seamaster w it on both sides I concern to not scratch the coating. I don't want another watch to have this!! Back to tudor.
Top mounted AR is terrible, a slight knock and your Sapphire looks scratched...learnt the hard way with my Laco Flieger. Underneath only thanks! 😅
Thanks for sharing
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Hmm….I wonder if there’s a way that we can express the 5 star quality of our watches.
ALSO LONGINES:
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Better in my humble opinion.
You knock the Longines for a 25200 vph, so you're not a fan of Omega?
I like the moon watch for what it is and the vintages but not a fan of modern omegas to be honest. I find the co-axial an experiment that didn't work out. It was only saved as a movement because of the Si hair spring which allowed it super powers after its initial teething issues were sorted. Coaxial was originally engineered and designed for no oil no friction and longer service at 18,000vph. Omega speed it up and added oil. That is the limiting factor that all watches have, oil. With modern synthetic oils all movements can go 10 years without any service, rolex, tudor etc. no matter what the service book says. If it says less then 10 years they just want $$$. So there is zero advantage to omega's coaxial. zero. It is not more accurate or faster or longer service intervals. Remember tudor passed metas with their swiss lever. And oris as well if they had the money to pay for the tests would probably pass it easily with their new cal 400 10 year warranty 10 year service swiss lever powered by Silicone.
@@EscapementWatch ah, I see...
which watches that change date at exactly 12.00?
Rolex. and the regular longines movements are pretty close (non-gmt)
No drilled lugs big negative for me. I’m a strap guy so I would avoid this one.
Most new modern straps I see are coming with quick release spring bars. And the bracelet has quick release. Shouldn't be to bad.
Vacheron and A p are luxury watches !
I feel Tudor is the premium brand over Longines. However, Longines is an outstanding watch and great heritage, akin to Tudor.
A nice two watch rotation would be a Tudor GMT Pepsi as well as a Longines Spirit on a leather strap.
I noticed the 24 hour hand twitching when jumping the hour. I've seen this before on reviews of this watch, and it's so obvious it should have been fixed by now. The MT5652 behaves perfectly: I've got one (BB GMT) and it's an excellent piece. On that basis, the Tudor movement is superior, although the accuracy of the Longines is impressive. Maybe in a couple of years Longines will have sorted out the movement. I suggest that intending purchasers wait until then, and check this out before buying.
Has Tudor sorted out the date change issue? It has been an issue for years right.
@@pokpongl Hi Pokpong, I think so. I think that it's fine on Q series watches, but I don't have inside information on this. My Tudor GMT is fine. 🙂
It’s a very good looking watch but not up to Tudor quality, although some things are nicer like ceramic v aluminium bezel.
They are so different I do not see the point in comparing (would the Tudor GMT not be a better comparison?).
The Longines feels cheaper in the hands. A bit like a Seiko.
Not sure what Omega you think it feels like.
It’s a nice watch, but you get what you pay for and there is no magic Swiss watch fairy. The nearest to one is ironically Tudor.
Yes it would be better to compare a Tudor GMT but I do not have one. And personally I would not call ceramic nicer then aluminum. Just my personal preference. Ceramic looks cheap to me and is more likely to crack. While aluminum will be more malleable and will patina nicely.
@@EscapementWatch It would be interesting to know the split on aluminium v ceramic preference.
I thought people liked aluminium because it was ‘heritage’ rather than any practical reason.
I would rather it cracked (not something I have ever seen) than scratched and patina’d, but each to their own.
Having an aluminium bezel with sapphire crystal just seems odd to me.
I've seen on the rolex forums some get a cracked insert. I'm sure most people would choose ceramic because of the rolex influences. But I love the look of a patina bezel with a clean crystal. I just recently saw someone inherit their grandpas Seiko 6105-8000 after their grandpa passed on. They serviced it and put a new crystal and it looks stunning imo!
@@EscapementWatch Aluminium was the old material, then along came ceramic.
I think Rolex are right to move on and their watches are all the better for it.
If you like old fashioned looking things then that’s great too.
Yeah in my black bay 58 review I mention that I would not even consider to purchase it if it had ceramic. Wouldn't even look twice at it.
Remove a logo from The Tudor and think do you want this watch for this money .
For the movement and finish it is 100 percent worth it its price. imo the tudor name doesn't bring much to the table. Most people look down on tudor as the poor mans rolex.
the case geometry in the Tudor is quite simple/plain....same goes for rolex.
@@EscapementWatch because they know Tudor is Rolex’s baby , this is reason only . For me Tudor without logo looks average and little bit cheap.
@@algorithm007ify because you know is from Rolex company , not because is premium. If you look on Omega (even you don’t know what is Omega) you know is premium product.
@@EscapementWatch Do you thinking ETA(Longines is owner too) is worse than Tudor’s movement ? Ask about watchmakers they give your correct answer!!!
Wear the watch for 3 months and THEN keep an eye on the date change from midnight on..WHILE WEARING. When you get older and more experienced, you will find ALL manual/automatic watches need a break in period to perform at their BEST. With today's technology, the frequency is a major determinant of energy reserve. High frequency and long reserve requires (given no other trade-offs in the total piece manufacture) more money. There ARE price ranges...LUXURY does not mean "get everything in the world you always wanted and more". That is a childish paradigm.
Longines make better looking, more interesting watches than Tudor. Tudor is all hype, most of their watches are ugly imo.
generally agree...
Agreed. Longines stands on its own feet... Tudor always latches onto Rolex older models' designs. While using inferior movements and trying to pass them on as "same as Rolex inside" among ppl who don't know much about watches.
The big thing Longines suffers from is that their marketing and ad's suck! If you want to play with the Big Boys like Omega, Tudor, you have to pull your watches from basic retail dealers that hang in the mall down the street! No one will associate a "luxury" watch brand that is sold in Macy's or Kay's in the mall. Who wants a watch that to pay for a luxury match that is sitting next to a Seiko and a G-Shock! Its still the reason why some just can't get with Grand Seiko, they don't understand that they are to separate companies! Its the association!!! Like it or not, when we go buy a "High end" watch, the association is a big part of being in the club! You can deny it all you want, but it's true!
Sorry but Tudor are not the big boys, they are seen as a cheaper, uglier Rolex copy. I would put Longines above Tudor as a watch brand.
I agree! Bad reference! I wouldn't own a Tudor either!
@@freedomfighter6549 I owned one, bought into the hype, sold it for a good price luckily, wouldn't buy another Tudor again.
@@coffeeboyclips1973 I owned two...a GMT and 58, flipped them both within 6 months of buying. Never again. I bought the hype too and completely regretted it.
Yeah, I read somewhere else that Tudor is basically the Rolex sanctioned Steinhart. Pretty much nails it.
So you think the Tudor is a notch above, but you think the longines feels like an Omega? Really dude? Tudor is leagues beneath the omega in case work, movement and finishing. I’ve owned an aqua terra, a planet ocean, and used to own a Tudor north flag. Currently I own a black bay gmt and a seamaster professional plus a speedmaster. There is no comparison between the black bay and the seamaster. The seamaster is superior in every way
No not in everyway. The Tudor has a higher beat movement, 28,800vph smooth sweep and with less parts in the escapement should be much more durable as a tool watch then the co-axial's needless complex design. Tudor movements have passed metas mag test as well. If Tudor pays to submits the bb58's movement it probably will pass. But that's just a guess. And don't let the simple case design of the Tudor fool you! I examined them both under extreme magnification and saw imperfections in the brush and polish for the spirit. Of course it is harder to produce a more complex case shape but has nothing to do with finish.
@@EscapementWatch the beat rate has to do with silicone balance. All swatch group movements with it have this beat rate.
No the silicone can do higher beat easily. Like my bb58 which has a free sprung silicone hairspring at 28,800vph. Swatch lowered the rate for extending the power reserve in most cases. For Omega they lowered it for reliability issues I heard, the coaxial customers were experiencing with the 28,800 earlier models.
... I detested 5 stars on the dial 30 years ago , still dislike it ...... it is just a messy watch ........ just no sense of cohesion .......... but I guess GMT is the must have fashion watch so people will snap it up ............
I know it shouldn't matter but there's just something about Omega and Longines being under Swatch that bugs me and holds me back from buying them. That said this GMT looks fantastic.
Tudor IS tough, I've got my grandpa's & my dad's Longines watches, both broken. My Rolexes are 'almost' bulletproof. Longines look delicate, not bulletproof.
Well modern day rolex movements have amplitude issues...and modern day Longines use one of the most robust ETA-based movements...
Tudor is no Rolex.
Man I hate being into watches, it’s a curse. A normal person would look at this and just enjoy it as a beautiful watch. I just allow myself to be completely put off by Longines’ horrible logo that looks like it came off a 1930s Italian military unit and the cluttered 5 stars messing up the dial.
Even others who are into watches will enjoy Longines beautiful logo!
@@EscapementWatch oh yeah, I completely understand that it’s my problem and completely subjective. I was more making that point that when you like watches you can get so picky about stupid things that don’t matter that it’s easy to dismiss incredible watches.
ahh yes so true!
Dont use english title if you just speak f****ing chinese. AH!
sorry it was chinese commercial. my fault
Still cheap ETA movement... 😂