Its actually how its done on naval warship. When taking damage and water ingress occur, crew will lock water tight door, as increased compartment pressure reduce rate of ingress, makes damage control easier and buys them more time. In the worst case scenario, where damage control fails, rest of the ship will be saved. If damage is irreparable but slow to take effect (like a large growing crack on the wall), crew can escape and lock compartment, but that's a rare case. Most of the time, crew will lock the door first while performing damage control, since no one knows whether the damage will be threatening or not.
SIHA: [NODs.] He actually got fucked so hard by the cold, he took days off. The man was made of bacteria that have made the trip uncovered 3x. That's intentional supercooling space itself shit. Chiang Kai-shek's family is that bent, and is actually accusing the Marxists of hiding behind a Demon Kingdom crew, until he has the "well I'll be damned, Wayland really did do himself in a way I can do back this time" moment when he realizes Takei and Jernigan are on the fucking way. Him and his crew know it's happening and just wolf down the missiles whole with their ship, TO FUCKING PROVE IT's HAPPENING. Him and his nuts, ashes-to-ashes Undyne the Undying crew, simply fucking reassemble as best they could, in a fucking hurry, to Qonos, to themselves alone build another ship, chuckling, only rearranging back so all the cells of each person are in their right bodies after launching from the runway. The Demon crew gasped at how perfectly obviously it was actually absolutely not their fight, and it made everyone NERVOUS AS GODDAMN HELL how they had to fire on a Chang ship to expose them SHAMELESSLY INVISIBLED BY WAYLAND, FURIOUS AT BEING INTERFERED WITH AFTER TELLING HIM TO FUCK HIMSELF WITH EVERY THREAT HE MADE, AND HE MADE EVERY THREAT HE HAS ON THEM. They actually managed not to fuck all Demons for 146 years. They were court-martialed JUST TO MAKE DAMN SURE, and the judge just stopped half trial and said there's nothing. So Takei brings Jernigan out of warp *and* out of woof on the second of exposure, 13 frames to perfect on perfect of all perfections, WITH A MARXIST GUNNER, and this CAPTAIN-RANK GUNNER does them on his own, simply being told where to aim by a CAPTAIN-RANK NAVIGATIONs, ENGINEERING AND INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WITH ORDERS NOT TO FIRE, EVEN ON CREW MUTINYING IF SO, UNTIL DOCKING - he was only giving out intelligence to what was technically another ship attached to theirs with a one man crew. Takei's ship would not have been there, if it wasn't the only way to prove Wayland was trying to push a Demon onto a Marxist rail gun again. HIKARU SULU: [in 2022, to someone asking for a friend.] Yes, I play George Takei. Suck it.
After decades of saying " I'm a doctor not a", he finally agreed to a task by just saying, "fascinating". The way this movie wraps up everyone's character is really rewarding.
There was some fairly old SNL Sketch parodying Star Trek, and while I forget the overall premise, there is one point were someone is having a heart attack or something. Kirk yells out, "BONES! Help this man!!!" Dr. McCoy responds, "Damnit Jim! I'm a DOCTOR, not a.... oh right!.... sorry."
If you like that, you’ll love this: Shatner was Plummer’s understudy when they did Shakespeare in Canada; they’ve been friends for decades and all the Shakespeare here is a wink and nod to their friendship.
@@ZakEmber well now I can't help that think Waterloo could have been improved by having Shatner play Blucher, or Picton. Imagine "Raise high the black flags my children! No pity! No prisoners! I'll shoot any man I see who has pity in him!" With Shatnerian delivery.
If you want more of him in the role, he filmed a ton of scenes for the Classic PC game 'Klingon Academy', where he acts as the mentor for a year of Klingon command graduates. (And of course gets embroiled in Klingon civil war, as they do ^^ ) You can watch the story vids on youtube :)
Fun observation: This is the only ship battle in the original movie series it is that isn't handicapped by something. The ship is ready for battle, Shields are up... Ship is fully operational. In the motion picture, Kirk is unfamiliar with the ship... In the wrath of Khan, Kirk has a trainee crew and ignores protocol which gets the ship extensively damaged... In the search for Spock, the ship is undermanned, still damaged, and on automation... and in The Final Frontier, the ship is again undermanned and is in bloody disrepair. Undiscovered Country is the only instance of going into battle ready to go.
And as usual, the odds are stacked against Kirk and the crew anyway with a unprecedented ship that can fire while cloaked, but working together they overcome.
The moment when Captain Kirk rises from his chair with a fist in the air and says "Fire!" is one of my favorite movie scenes of all time. The moment General Chang realizes he has met his doom is the icing on the cake. Honorable mention goes to Captain Sulu as well: "Fly her apart then!" A brilliant film that to this day doesn't feel dated whatsoever.
Absolutely agree with you; I literally get goose bumps every time I watch this sequence....totally brilliant! Christopher Plummer was such a great actor.
As a full grown adult who saw these movies as a much younger person the one thing from a movie I'd love to do is stand on the bridge of the Enterprise as the camera pans in and say "Fire!"
@@moso299 interesting you say that: she’s absolutely fantastic no question, but I thought it’d have been way better if she had more cooly said “fire” kind of more like Kirk did here in VI. Would’ve served the scene way better
Indeed. So many great Star Trek scores by Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner. But I REALLY like this one. Excellent for building the tension, and setting the mood of each scene. Cliff Eidelman did a superb job.
@@develynseether4426 You're surely aware of this, but Jerry Goldsmith did MANY excellent scores. He won the Oscar for The Omen. He did Patton. Medicine Man. The Edge. The 13th Warrior. Congo (great score, terrible song 🙂). These are not all great films, but they DID have great music. He also did Secret of Nimh. Alien. Dear God, too many to name. One of the most prolific film score composers of all time. I think the work he did on Star Trek: TMP is some of his best. OH!!!! Explorers. I LOVED the music in Explorers. Such a fun 80s film.
@@herbsuperb6034 Morricone, Zimmer, Williams, Goldsmith, Horner, Barry, Silvestri just to name a few, all incredible composers with some fantastic scores to their name. They just don't get as much recognition as they deserve.
@@develynseether4426 I still think Elmer Bernstein is one of the best of all time. The Ten Commandments. The Magnificent Seven. To Kill a Mockingbird. The Great Escape. All excellent. Then he did Ghostbusters 🙂. I'm surprised how many people I've bumped into over the years that think John Williams scored Back to the Future. Alan doesn't get enough love. Beyond that he did Forrest Gump, Predator, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, among others. A top contender for my favorite film score of all time would be Ben-Hur by Miklos Rozsa. That film was epic in every sense of the word, and the music was a huge part of that. It's absolutely gorgeous.
A perfectly written space battle. You know all the ships involved and their captains, emphasis on tension, rather than action. The geography of the battlefield is apparent, and no cluttering the screen with hundred upon hundreds of lens flares, lasers or explosions. Superbly done
The thing I loved about old-school Trek is that every shot had consequences, even the misses. They didn't overwhelm your senses, they wanted you paying attention to every maneuver.
Also you can see the damage. While the shields up what we got was looked bad but otherwise not critical. As the shields weakened, the amount of damage bleed got worse. The moment the shields collapsed, we get a through and through hit.
@@SamSitar I don't think so, because the Bird of Prey, besides being fast, shot while moving. Shooting in the opposite direction to its shots would be in vain, because it would no longer be there.
"Cry 'Havoc!" And let slip the dogs of war!" Christopher Plummer deliberately hammed that this scene up and really enjoyed himself. To be fair, I enjoyed it a lot, too.
The dialogue at the 2:00 mark is incredible writing from a character perspective. Sulu worked his whole career to get to that point, commanding an Excelsior Class vessel all his own and he's willing to quite literally "fly her apart then" in order to reach his friends. It's such a powerful moment about friendship and camaraderie that I think often gets overshadowed by the sturm und drang of this excellent movie's climax.
I was literally thinking the same thing just now watching the battle. It is one of my favorite parts of the movie because this small scene contains everything that makes Starfleet so great. They are willing to fight for it each other and they don't hesitate to rush into danger if one of their own is in danger.
You can also see this in the scene from star trek 3 on the bridge just before they steal the Enterprise. Kirk gives them a chance to gracefully bow out, but no-one does. Their friendship and loyalty to each other means more to them than their careers and their futures.
I dunno Ive always loved Christopher Plummer tootling around in his office chair while spitting Willy Shakes quotes at us "Cry havOK and let slip the dogs of War!" The man was loving his work that day.
@@hammerofdavey I agree. Undiscovered Country is my second favorite because everything in it is well executed. Characters evolve, show their darker sides as well as their best, the tension is amazing. Frankly, this is Star Trek at its finest hour and a great sendoff for the original crew.
One thing (another thing) the new films miss: the Enterprise is a character too. And I really miss this Enterprise. Is it just me, or is the design very aesthetically pleasing.
Ikr the new enterprise is just a flashy screaming machine now. I can feel this old one actually struggling and when the excelsior was hit i was like, oh u've fucking done it now. I dont know how to describe it lol. The ships in the original ST just feels different and i like it.
kanthannic1227 There's something very beautiful about the original ships. I don't know of any other fictional ships that are so aesthetically pleasing. Star Wars' space ships are iconic, but nobody calls them beautiful. It's amazing to me that the original series Enterprise still looks cool 50 years later. And the "Enterprise-A" is my favorite. Very cool and original styles.
+the81kid I've been saying that since the first TNG movie, they just don't understand that the Enterprise is a character too...so those movies all felt "lacking".
Conundrum You're right, the Enterprise is a character in Star Trek. It's not Star Trek when the ship is not a character of its own, with it's own story. Notice how in all the films with the original cast, the ship had problems: an untested refit (TMP), heavily damaged and limping (TWOK), barely limping along (TSFS), replaced and then returned (TVH), unfininshed and full of bugs (TFF), the final mission (TUC). I always felt that gave it a personality and a journey all of its own. It really added to the dimension of the story - the ship had its own problems and challenges too.
+the81kid Oh, yeah. Very aesthetically pleasing. Which is why the Constitution-Class refit design (the design used by the Enterprise) is one of my three most favorite Star Trek ship designs, along with the Galaxy-Class and the Sovereign-Class. Although I must say I do also like the design of the Enterprise from the JJ Abrams movies (it kind of looks to me like they were trying to pay homage to the original design from the show and the refit design from the movies, and I rather like that).
“Some people think the future means the end of history. But we haven’t run out of history just yet. Your father called the future ‘the undiscovered country.’ People can be very frightened of change.” - Kirk
I served poached eggs to Christopher Plummer when he shot a movie in my town. I was in my 20's and didn't know who he really was at the time. He was extremely cordial, polite and friendly and took the time to chat even. he was 1st class. Very talented pianist too from what I've seen. Lord rest his soul.
i have found over the years as i run into classically trained actors, that they are great people, often very humble and despite their fame" its a job i do, not who i am". compare that to hollywood "stars", a bunch of fame seeking narcissists seeking instant fame due to their looks or based on their ability to swallow.
+trha2222 +Paul Kember I know that, she was also the computer voice for TNG and DS9, but wasn't in the movies. Remember in TMP when Bones was beamed on board that he heard that Chapel made Dr?
This is the best written battle in any Star Trek TV series or movie to date. I saw it in the theaters when it came out and was stunned. My parents never took me to see movies in the theaters really, it was a very rare occasion. But they took me to see this and it remains one of my favorite movies ever. Its also the best send off for any cast of any ST show. It feels like a proper ending and no cliffhanger needed. Loved that they used the cast's signatures in the credits.
I agree totally; I remember watching it in the theater as well. Right before Kirk says the iconic Peter Pan line, I remember thinking that's what he would/should say; I got chills when he said it. Call it intuition or what; the moment kind of blew me away. My favorite of the original ST movies for sure.
Originally it was supposed to be the Excelsior who had the tracking equipment. They even set it up in the first scene, mentioning they're cataloging gaseous anomalies. But Shatner felt the Enterprise should save itself. Dick move on his part maybe, but it definitely it more satisfying seeing Spock and McCoy modify the torpedo, and to hear Shatner give the order.
@@lozman67 From Uhura's perspective, she was on 20th Century Earth only 6 years ago. While looking for the "Nuclear Wessels" in San Fransisco, along with Chekov.
If this isn't one of the best space battle scenes of all time then I don't know what is. Dialogue, special effects, direction, timing, background music, & tension. Ultimate space battle with a walk off grand slam.
capt sulu - "in range?" star trek officer - "not yet sir" capt sulu - "come on come on" star trek officer - "she'll fly apart" capt sulu - "Fly Her Apart Then" worf would watch this in the archives and nod his head in approval.
+Mike Rodgers He was supposed to move up the ranks even faster, but Shatner's ego apparently got in the way (was supposed to have his own ship as early as TWOK?)
I was in the cinema and the gasps when Chang’s body exploded and the fist pumps as 2 starships laid into the bird of prey. Very rare reaction from a British audience, we were enthralled! 🤩
Go check out Klingon Academy on UA-cam. It was a game they released years ago, and he's a pretty prominent character in it. They even show the fight where he lost his eye
Little moments like the one where they cut to Sulu on the bridge of the Excelsior are part of what makes these movies so great and so timeless. Everything about it is so great from the suspenseful music with the horns, the way Takei delivers those couple lines, the shaking of the ship. I've watched all these Star Trek movies so many times and the older I get, the more I appreciate them.
“Fly her apart then!!!..” Has special meaning to me. I live in a very hilly/isolated area of England. Someone I care about very dearly was pretty much dead from a drug overdose. Ambulances here can take up to 2 or more hours to arrive. My friend had an evo v111. We smashed those back single track roads so hard and fast to the hospital, we blew the turbo, lost the WHOLE exhaust somewhere, and bent the chassis, as well as the engine brackets shearing till only 2 remained. We got him there. He’s still alive now (with wife + kid) We destroyed a 30 grand car for him. 10 days after we went to the scrapyard, we couldn’t leave her for the crusher. We burnt her, gave her a hero/Viking send off. Godspeed excelsior/know that feeling.
I'll never forget watching this in a packed theater when I was 13 with my Dad and brother. When that first torpedo knocked Chang's Bird of Prey out of cloak everyone in the theater cheered, when Sulu said "target that explosion and fire" with the Enterprise and Excelsior going to town on it, the cheers tuned into yells, but when it exploded they went completely insane and it was awesome! What a great time that was
It is rare and was a thrill when the entire audience in a theater claps and cheers! I heard it during this movie, Superman II when superman got his powers back and flew into metropolis, then applause at the end of his hidden figures when the cast picture faded into the pictures of the real life people they portrayed. On the opposite end, at the end of "sound of freedom " everyone was stone silent. Not a cough even. And many moist eyes. When you evoke those emotions, you know you did it right
Thats because atcthat tim they don't have multiphased Shields in Bubble form engolfing the ship. In this age the shields are "only" emitted through the plating like an energycurrent. In 24th cebtury they do have emitters which project the energyfields far away from the vessel to keep those damages exactly from happening.
@@Tommieboy2009 If that is so why the computer diagram of the Enterprise shield was presented like a force field around the ship. Not a perfect bubble but not on the hull either. Which by the way that Entprise D bubble shield got popped by a old bird of prey which found its frequency.
@@hamhockbeans , the shielding of an old refit Constitution-class era ship is probably similar in effect to the ablative armor that we have today on things like tanks - armor designed to be destroyed in order to dissipate as much of the destructive force as possible before reaching the protected surface. In Trek technobabble, it's likely materialised and projected above the actual hull using energy-matter converters (as Tom Ga alluded to above), similar to how replicators and transporters in Star Trek work. Regarding the shield status display, I would suspect a user interface designer would justify using an 'inaccurate' bubble / force field diagram as being more practical in terms of conveying information efficiently to crew members under stress. The filmmakers would justify using it to quickly convey what is happening to the shields to the audience without unnecessary exposition.
@@altoid1804 Wrong. What you describe would be an ablative armor, replicated by armor generators, as seen in Voyager - Endgame. The electric current on the hull as means of protection, as mentioned earlier by @Tom Ga, that would be 22nd century technology => Capt. Archers Enterprise, polarizing the hull plating. The 23rd century shields were bubble formed energy fields like those of the 24th century (=> USS Jenolen, Next Generation episode "Relics"), the difference is in the generation of that force field (monophasic vs. multi phasic shield generators). The later just work more efficiently.
I think my favourite line is "We've got a heart beat" from McCoy when they finish modifying the torpedo. Concise, in-character, informative, and clean; wonderful storytelling. Still sometimes use that when I get something working.
"Target that explosion and fire." Sulu is absolutely how a captain should sound. Resolute. Decisive. Quick to act in defense of his ship, and of his friends.
"She'll fly herself apart." "Fly her apart then!" It's sad that we never got another instance of Sulu and Excelsior. There was a fan made vid of a TOS episode that had Takei in it and one of the people involved agreed with me and said that Takei said the same thing when bringing up that the studio should have made an Excelsior series. He told me Takei said "it was a damn shame". Now he's just a bitter old man and woke AF.
I also like how they acknowledged for all the tech nerds like me how the Excelsior was still experimental and it's transwarp drive was still quarky. That poor pilot was not trying to push it to hard.
@@HocchanFan Well, II, IV and VI all involved Nicholas Meyer. He directed II and VI and was one of the screenwriters of IV. He clearly knew how to handle Star Trek films.
First Contact for me - but then, don't ask me why, maybe in same creepy self hurting way, I do actually like Star Trek V - most because of Sybok's character - I wish they made him some cool character in next Star Trek.
@@johnd.1618 It is Dr. McCoy that says that about General Chang not Spock! Didn't you recognize DeForrest Kelley's voice when you heard that line of dialogue in "Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country" when you saw the movie?
@@michaelbarlow6610 Yeah, you are probably right. pity it would have been funnier if Spock was saying that. Showing that even a half Vulcan couldn't endure Chang.
This scene still holds up as an incredible battle scene even now over two decades later. I remember seeing this in theaters when it first came out, and my god was it exciting!
This whole scene gives me absolute goosebumps. It has callback moments to Balance of Terror and literally everyone on the bridge puts their heads together to come up with a solution and the Excelsior's timely arrival to assist gives Sulu the spotlight that his character deserves. The Undiscovered Country is just a glorious film and the perfect way for the TOS crew to go out on.
Ahhh, the Bird of Prey that put on such an impressive display that every single one constructed afterwards by the Klingon Defense Force was designed to blow up in exactly the same manner.
@ 2:20 I've always been impressed by the Enterprise flyby from the bird-of-prey's view screen. Not sure why. it just looks so realistic even after more than 20 years.
It's very good but I think the imposing close up of the saucer section with torpedo damage at 3:20 is the best single ship scene of the entire franchise. Certainly better than the mindlessly fast CGI of the Abrams reboot.
Yeah, olden days special effects were methodical and focused. You'd have one or two things happen, and those things were very dramatic events. Because it wasn't just a continuous series of as many special effects all crammed into one as possible. The torpedo going through the saucer just looked... EVIL. Because you didn't see that sort of graphic 'ship violence' very often. Its an iconic scene.
Because, unlike overbearing CGI, what you saw was a huge, physical Model of the Enterprise; Practical/optical effects still look very impressive because they are REAL.
It was a real model (not CGI) and it was huge (10+ feet long). CGI just doesn't look real yet. It's very good but there is a difference between reality (like "Inception") and CGI.
Because it features Kirk always the rabbit until the predator suddenly realizes Kirk turned back on him and used their speed to close the distance and they are done.
@@MajL337 I agree. I think it's because they changed the camera angle. They should have kept the previous close up angle of Kirk which would have maintained the continuity of intensity of Kirk's dangerous and high-pressure situation.
@@Mustang-bk4ns actually Sulu was straight, married and had a daughter. Takei even did a fan film "world enough and time"that expanded on his character.. George takei was actually mad at jj abrams for changing Sulu to be gay because it over wrote canon and all his work.
I love the fact that Kirk didn't retaliate until he had a solution. He wasn't firing off a ton of torpedoes, or phasers in random directions. The first shot found its mark, and the remaining shots finished the job. It just feels so Starfleet. Don't act in desperation, act with a purpose. And I mean think of the Klingons, feeling on top of the world with a ship that can fire while cloaked, only to have the first torpedo shot at it to score a direct hit. And the follow up salvos from the Enterprise and Excelsior are just brutal and direct.
At the same time, Enterprise's sensors probably saw where the shot came from, bearing and distance, and could predict likely enemy positions from this just like real world ships have done. Fire phasers at likely enemy positions to 'sound out' its position. Plus the gas and debris kicked up by the battle would also cause sensor ghosting on the edge of the cloaking field, weakening it with every shot.
Yeah, actually Picard did that in Star Trek Insurrection, with the Scimitar. He got right firing at all directions to find the Scimitar, but ad the end he had to ram her (not a "desesperate decision" actually, but it was his last option) to win. If Kirk did that here, this battle would've ended in seconds lol
@@uli1053 To be fair, the Enterprise-E has very different capabilities from the A. That strategy would only work so well in this fight here, if Kirk's ship too can put out that kind of sustained rapid fire.
'I'd give real money if he'd shut up' one of McCoy's best lines...haha. Then Kirk's 'Fire!' and how the battle concluded, always liked this part, though I think they used the same footage of the Bird of Prey exploding in Generations. All in all this was cool.
Indeed they did, including the opening when the Bird of Prey cloaks, and when the Excelsior is at warp speed. (In Generations they reused that shot when the Enterprise-B is at warp) And thanks! =)
viperhalberd Here's how cheap you have to be: In the same year (1994) that Star Trek Generations was released, the live-action movie The Flintstones was released, and had a budget of $45 million. The movie Speed was also released that year, and had a budget of $40 million. The movie True Lies had a budget over $100 million. Star Trek Generation's production budget was only $25 million.
implicaverse Yeah, but to be fair I think they could have nixed the entire and ultimately useless holodeck scene (which served no purpose, they could have re-scripted something similar for Ten Forward) would have saved them money on building/renting the boat and having all those new uniforms. Also, Generations had something up on those other films. A vast majority of the sets already existed. Lot's of construction costs were handled right then and there.
That was the first time I remember an audience cheering at a movie. I was reminded of this while watching Endgame last night at a sold out show and the audience going nuts.
@@chrisurwin9310 Remember when the BOPs were destroyed in DS9 with a single photon? Not as strong a memory. Eh? The Enterprise core breach needed to be much more violent and powerful because it was the hero ship going down, not some decommissioned scout many times older than the Enterprise, herself.
God, I remember I went to opening night for this movie and at the end the whole theatre stood up and applauded at the end. Absolutely wonderful. No modern movie comes close.
I agree! I went to it with my girlfriend. We have been married almost 30 years now. And she gets the whole Star Trek thing absolutely. It's as simple basically as a wonderful human story, timeless.
The last movie I went to that actually got applause in the theater was one of the Lord of the Rings movies (I don't remember which, probably the first one). It's certainly not common.
I remember seeing this in theaters back in the day. I was a teenager, it was December. I was going through a pretty lousy depressed period and I saw it alone, but really enjoyed it and it cheered me up that night.
I like the fact the Enterprise still takes damage even with shields up. It's like getting shot while wearing a kevlar vest: the bullet won't penetrate your body and cause extreme injury or death, but it'll hurt a LOT and probably break a rib or two.
Technology at that point was not so advanced. What they had was more or less an improved version of hull plating. Enterprise D had real shield so you rarely seeing the bridge explodes
He’s flying round in his invisible space ship, spinning in his chair and barking Shakespeare while firing photon torpedoes at a man known as his acting rival. Dude’s on top of the world and just a joy to watch in this. RIP you absolute legend you.
I saw this in the theater the night it opened. What a great time. When the Enterprise and Excelsior began pummeling the Klingon ship with photon torpedoes, the crowd roared like it was a football game!
@@OrbitFallenAngel well, I guess I may make you more jealous, but I saw ALL of the TOS films in the theater! I was very young, only 6, for the first one. I was 9 when I saw "Wrath Of Khan", and that movie scared the hell out of me! I was 11 for "Search For Spock" and by then I was old enough to truly appreciate it. Seeing "The Voyage Home" for the first time with my whole family is one of my fondest childhood memories!
Up to this point in the franchise history, we had never seen the Enterprise take this much of a pummeling. As a kid at the time I first saw this, I remember being shocked as all hell seeing a torpedo go right through the Enterprise and come out the other end.
As did ! !!! I was like 8 or 9....and seeing that torpedo rip through the saucer made so sad for the Enterprise..and it was shown a lot in trailer clips... That being said... It made it all that more gratifying seeing both Enterprise and Excelsior pummel the BoP with a barrage of their own torpedoes!
Made so much better by the use of practical effects. These days they'd use CGI and it wouldn't be as good (and would get much worse as newer tech comes out). Back then (I was 11), it was amazing. I just watched it again and it's still amazing. It really holds up.
Agreed, it was tough to watch the Enterprise take such a pounding, but she’s a tough ship and came through in the end proudly showing her battle scars!
I love how the -A whips by, even at impulse speed, to orbit Khitomer. It makes me appreciate how fast even sub-light speeds are in Star Trek. I think this is the only time in any Trek series and/or movie that depicts impulse this fast like a blur. The Constitution/Refit class is my all-time favorite as are Kirk & Crew! LLAP everyone!
Was just thinking this six years later. LOL I think this is the fastest they've ever shown the Enterprise move in any movie or TV show. She was hauling ass. Looked like she dropped out of warp and was still at high impulse.
@@zombieshoot4318 It's such a nice touch, and a helpful contrast to the close-up slugfest stuff. In the first movie, there's the scene of Enterprise leaving dock. The impulse engines flare up, and the ship rockets away with Earth getting really small, really fast in the rear view. Reminds me of a probably-apocryphal thing I heard from an F-16 pilot, who apparently knew someone who had, 'World get bigger/World get smaller' written on his right-hand glove, which controls the stick..
That is in my opinion the best Star Trek Movie in the Classic Universe.. i Could see it over and over again. Alone the Opening Music a Masterpiece. Thank you for that Video.
@@starfleet-verdadero9808 CGI is just icing on the cake bud, completely agree with you. Time to get that time machine going so we can go back and enjoy entertainment how it used to be....when it was fun and good. not stupid and woke.
Always thought that was an early attempt at CGI because of the lighting and texture looking different to all the other shots. Thought they used it to get the sweeping shot.
Hate to break it to you but the Excelsior was CGI when it was going through the Praxis shockwave. So was the Enterprise-B when it was in the Nexus ribbon in GENERATIONS, and the Defiant is CGI in FIRST CONTACT.
@@bladeduffer cgi is just detailed animated cartoons its not the real thing never will be cgi is a trend imo those ships looked way more real than the current cgi ones
So I'm not the only one who noticed. Especially if the rest of the crew did not speak or understand English, in which case they would have had no idea what he was saying to his prey.
4:15 what a great action moment, the music sting, Spock and bones frantically trying to fix the problem, and that torpedo shot was so amazing for the time
Probably the BEST depiction of a ship taking several severe hits and each section exploding as they overload and eminiately are destructed leaving the entire bridge area for last. Beautifully done.
It was team work. Uhura had a idea. Scotty kept the ship from flying apart at the seams. Spock and McCoy prepared the torpedo. Kirk said fire. Team work.
@@hungrydragonvsfrightendhob7799 he did he absolutely could've said no and differ from his support staff. Lesser decisions yield greater defeats in real life.
"Fly her apart, then!" Chills. I remember seeing it for the first time in a theater, as a fan of the original series - when it originally played. Sulu was always going to be Skipper of his own ship. Always.
(SPOILERS!) General Chang commits a series of egregious tactical blunders throughout this battle. He engages both a heavy cruiser and a battleship with a lone frigate, each heavily outgunning him. He divides fire between the two ships, prioritizing neither. He overestimates the extent of his camouflage. Worse, he doesn't even bother to maintain radio silence. Small wonder Chang runs out of time. The screenwriter set him up for a foolhardy defeat.
+AlienatingPredation you know, you are right about that. tonnage wise, the Ent-A is a HCA and the Excel is a BB too. If he focused on the Ent-A, he would have finished her in one or two well placed shots. After that, would have targeted the Excel
Jansomax85 Often, fictional characters are so busy making themselves into heroes and villains that they forget how to perform well at their jobs. For instance, General Chang could not have menaced Kirk by quoting Shakespeare if he had observed strict radio silence.
Maizerus I've heard of STO but know next to nothing about multiplayer games. Rightly or wrongly, I associate them with a frenetic pace that disallows exploration.
AlienatingPredation Your knowledge of Trek ship classes is impressive considering you don't play it. That's all that question was determining. Good day.
We don't give enough credit to 2:56 - Spock finally manages to insert figurative language into his speech, and McCoy gives a response that his old friend always gave. That's the true conclusion of both of their character arcs!
What is amazing about this moment is that after all the major,literally massive threats faced by the Enterprise and her immediate successor--the Fesarius,the Doomsday Machine,the space ameboa,V'Ger,and "God"--her finest hour comes down to a rematch between Enterprise herself and what is essentially the Klingon Empire's equivalent of a scout ship.
What I find eerie and terrifyingly beautiful is the shots of the bird of prey barely being illuminated by the torpedoes being fired then just as quickly fading back into the shadows
I looked up the shakspeare line, cry havoc-Here's the whole verse, from Julius Caesar & uttered by Marc Anthony when Caesar is killed. "Blood & destruction shall be so in use, & dreadful objects so familiar, That mothers will but smile when they behold, their infants quartered with the hands of war; All pity choked with custom of fell deeds: & Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, with Ate by his side come hot from Hell, Shall in these confines cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the Earth with carrion men, Groaning for burial." Kinda fits when you read the whole thing? But in his other play, Coriolanus, " Do not cry havoc, where you should but hunt with modest warrant."...
@@artloverivy "Lost in the translation." I find it interesting Klingons would go through the trouble of translating the collected works. Not at all surprising they take something from another people and claim their interpretation is the "true" work.
@@Euripides_Panz I believe it’s based off of the Russian vs American mentalities of the Cold War where both sides fought for credit of various classic stories and quotes. The even more fascinating part is that both sides have to truly believe they’re right because it would hurt their pride if they were aware of how they’re basically stealing from another culture.
No matter how many times I see this I get pumped watching it. And Captain Sulu had the best line in the whole movie. Sulu: Can't this thing go any faster? Helsmen: She'll fly a part. Sulu: Fly her a part then!
This scene more than any other in TOS and the other movies shows just how ridiculously tough the Enterprise was when her shields were up and she was at battle stations.
Meyer was brilliant in writing that role for and casting Plummer, and Plummer did a brilliant job, wonderfully over the top without coming across as cheesy or artificial!
I remember watching this and feeling really bad for the Enterprise when she took that torpedo through the saucer. This Enterprise ship had a character all on its own and it was savage to see it brutally wounded like that. It was also very well done.
@@protoborg Wrong. It was the Enterprise that took the photon torpedo through the hull of the main/primary saucer not the Excelsior in the climatic battle scene in "Star Trek6:The Undiscovered Country"! That's why Spock says to McCoy, "The hull has been compromised"!
It's astonishing how much better the models look in this film. I remember watching one of the documentaries on the sfx used for this film, and one of the guys from ILM was talking about how they had just pioneered a new method of using some sort of yellow lighting on the models for one of the mattes they shot, which not only completely eliminated any artifacting or visible lines around models, but brought out incredible detail in the models like the earlier methods simply couldn't. And yet, it's not a case of the models being so detailed you can see they're production models; they did such a good job in this film with, well, everything, really, but the work done with the models in this film was so far ahead of its time. Even the super close shots look far more real than any 3d model.
You can make an amazingly detailed 3D model, but it's very, very hard to _light_ them realistically enough to fool the eye. When a production cheaps out, the most amazing models can look like a first year animation school project. If I had the choice, I'd say physical models, enhanced with CGI effects would be the best way to go. Realistic and believable ships, and excellent special effects around them, which is where CGI shines.
There is a lot of artistic value with models. The creativity and work model builders put into ships and things really should remain in the industry. Its the only way people can see what hands and imagination can do.
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RIP to the one guy with the fire extinguisher who ran in while the blast doors closed behind him. Hero that guy.
Its actually how its done on naval warship. When taking damage and water ingress occur, crew will lock water tight door, as increased compartment pressure reduce rate of ingress, makes damage control easier and buys them more time.
In the worst case scenario, where damage control fails, rest of the ship will be saved.
If damage is irreparable but slow to take effect (like a large growing crack on the wall), crew can escape and lock compartment, but that's a rare case.
Most of the time, crew will lock the door first while performing damage control, since no one knows whether the damage will be threatening or not.
That’s what Red Shirts are for.
He was doing his job, Kirk wont forget him.
SIHA: [NODs.] He actually got fucked so hard by the cold, he took days off. The man was made of bacteria that have made the trip uncovered 3x. That's intentional supercooling space itself shit. Chiang Kai-shek's family is that bent, and is actually accusing the Marxists of hiding behind a Demon Kingdom crew, until he has the "well I'll be damned, Wayland really did do himself in a way I can do back this time" moment when he realizes Takei and Jernigan are on the fucking way. Him and his crew know it's happening and just wolf down the missiles whole with their ship, TO FUCKING PROVE IT's HAPPENING. Him and his nuts, ashes-to-ashes Undyne the Undying crew, simply fucking reassemble as best they could, in a fucking hurry, to Qonos, to themselves alone build another ship, chuckling, only rearranging back so all the cells of each person are in their right bodies after launching from the runway.
The Demon crew gasped at how perfectly obviously it was actually absolutely not their fight, and it made everyone NERVOUS AS GODDAMN HELL how they had to fire on a Chang ship to expose them SHAMELESSLY INVISIBLED BY WAYLAND, FURIOUS AT BEING INTERFERED WITH AFTER TELLING HIM TO FUCK HIMSELF WITH EVERY THREAT HE MADE, AND HE MADE EVERY THREAT HE HAS ON THEM. They actually managed not to fuck all Demons for 146 years. They were court-martialed JUST TO MAKE DAMN SURE, and the judge just stopped half trial and said there's nothing.
So Takei brings Jernigan out of warp *and* out of woof on the second of exposure, 13 frames to perfect on perfect of all perfections, WITH A MARXIST GUNNER, and this CAPTAIN-RANK GUNNER does them on his own, simply being told where to aim by a CAPTAIN-RANK NAVIGATIONs, ENGINEERING AND INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WITH ORDERS NOT TO FIRE, EVEN ON CREW MUTINYING IF SO, UNTIL DOCKING - he was only giving out intelligence to what was technically another ship attached to theirs with a one man crew. Takei's ship would not have been there, if it wasn't the only way to prove Wayland was trying to push a Demon onto a Marxist rail gun again.
HIKARU SULU: [in 2022, to someone asking for a friend.] Yes, I play George Takei. Suck it.
@BattleAngelFan Everyone's wearing red after Wrath of Khan (or the "Wraith of Khan," as The Weeknd calls it). They're all expendable now!
After decades of saying " I'm a doctor not a", he finally agreed to a task by just saying, "fascinating". The way this movie wraps up everyone's character is really rewarding.
He didn't wanna die😂😂
I miss when movies were good and made sense
@TMCicuurd12b42 and spock kinda said his, requesting a hand with 'surgery', lol.
There was some fairly old SNL Sketch parodying Star Trek, and while I forget the overall premise, there is one point were someone is having a heart attack or something. Kirk yells out, "BONES! Help this man!!!" Dr. McCoy responds, "Damnit Jim! I'm a DOCTOR, not a.... oh right!.... sorry."
@TMCicuurd12b42 Exactly.
Plummer was such a fun villain. Having a classically trained theatre actor as a klingon was a great choice.
If you like that, you’ll love this: Shatner was Plummer’s understudy when they did Shakespeare in Canada; they’ve been friends for decades and all the Shakespeare here is a wink and nod to their friendship.
@@ZakEmber well now I can't help that think Waterloo could have been improved by having Shatner play Blucher, or Picton. Imagine "Raise high the black flags my children! No pity! No prisoners! I'll shoot any man I see who has pity in him!" With Shatnerian delivery.
"Cry havoc!.....and let slip the dogs o' war."
Plummer was THE man. Klingon. Captain. Whatever. 🖖🏼
If you want more of him in the role, he filmed a ton of scenes for the Classic PC game 'Klingon Academy', where he acts as the mentor for a year of Klingon command graduates. (And of course gets embroiled in Klingon civil war, as they do ^^ )
You can watch the story vids on youtube :)
I couldn't imagine any other Klingon quoting Shakespeare & making it sound awesome.
Fun observation: This is the only ship battle in the original movie series it is that isn't handicapped by something. The ship is ready for battle, Shields are up... Ship is fully operational. In the motion picture, Kirk is unfamiliar with the ship... In the wrath of Khan, Kirk has a trainee crew and ignores protocol which gets the ship extensively damaged... In the search for Spock, the ship is undermanned, still damaged, and on automation... and in The Final Frontier, the ship is again undermanned and is in bloody disrepair. Undiscovered Country is the only instance of going into battle ready to go.
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And as usual, the odds are stacked against Kirk and the crew anyway with a unprecedented ship that can fire while cloaked, but working together they overcome.
@@alexsimmons3432 I think the writes of this movie must have seen Star Trek Nemesis, hahaha
Certainly Shinzon paid attention in history class,@@nextlevelenglish5858.
Chekov basically does it first in Star Trek V, though.
The moment when Captain Kirk rises from his chair with a fist in the air and says "Fire!" is one of my favorite movie scenes of all time. The moment General Chang realizes he has met his doom is the icing on the cake. Honorable mention goes to Captain Sulu as well: "Fly her apart then!" A brilliant film that to this day doesn't feel dated whatsoever.
Absolutely agree with you; I literally get goose bumps every time I watch this sequence....totally brilliant! Christopher Plummer was such a great actor.
As a full grown adult who saw these movies as a much younger person the one thing from a movie I'd love to do is stand on the bridge of the Enterprise as the camera pans in and say "Fire!"
@@dionysiaex5538 I thought Jeri Ryan did a good job capturing the intensity of ordering, “Fire!” on that episode of Picard, a couple weeks ago. 😊
@@moso299 interesting you say that: she’s absolutely fantastic no question, but I thought it’d have been way better if she had more cooly said “fire” kind of more like Kirk did here in VI. Would’ve served the scene way better
I totally agree. And Sulu's "Target that explosion and fire" followed by Kirk's 2nd "Fire" are great too.
"I'd give real money if he'd shut up"
Love that line.
Star Trek, may it live forever and prosper.
Bones McCoy was so hilarious.
And without missing a beat, says to Spock, "I bet you wish you'd stood in bed"
Use it AWL daTIME …
What I want to know is why they'd be broadcasting bridge comms all over the ship?
@@stargazer7644 So the crew knew the urgency of the situation they were in, and for cinematic effect.
You know what never gets enough credit? The score, it's so perfect in this fight.
Scores rarely do get enough credit. I love TMP and Generations and were 2 films that helped my appreciation for scores.
Indeed. So many great Star Trek scores by Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner. But I REALLY like this one. Excellent for building the tension, and setting the mood of each scene. Cliff Eidelman did a superb job.
@@develynseether4426 You're surely aware of this, but Jerry Goldsmith did MANY excellent scores. He won the Oscar for The Omen. He did Patton. Medicine Man. The Edge. The 13th Warrior. Congo (great score, terrible song 🙂). These are not all great films, but they DID have great music. He also did Secret of Nimh. Alien. Dear God, too many to name. One of the most prolific film score composers of all time. I think the work he did on Star Trek: TMP is some of his best. OH!!!! Explorers. I LOVED the music in Explorers. Such a fun 80s film.
@@herbsuperb6034 Morricone, Zimmer, Williams, Goldsmith, Horner, Barry, Silvestri just to name a few, all incredible composers with some fantastic scores to their name.
They just don't get as much recognition as they deserve.
@@develynseether4426 I still think Elmer Bernstein is one of the best of all time. The Ten Commandments. The Magnificent Seven. To Kill a Mockingbird. The Great Escape. All excellent. Then he did Ghostbusters 🙂.
I'm surprised how many people I've bumped into over the years that think John Williams scored Back to the Future. Alan doesn't get enough love. Beyond that he did Forrest Gump, Predator, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, among others.
A top contender for my favorite film score of all time would be Ben-Hur by Miklos Rozsa. That film was epic in every sense of the word, and the music was a huge part of that. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Still remember seeing this in the theater with my Mom. Miss you, Mom.
Me too and I lost my mom a year later.😢
I'm sorry for your losses.
I agree. Miss my Mom. She was a casual fan of Star Trek, when seeing Capt. Kirk on tv she'd say " That's my boyfriend!"
I am sry for ur loss I lost both my parents too dads fav was wrath of khan
She got beamed up ?
A perfectly written space battle. You know all the ships involved and their captains, emphasis on tension, rather than action. The geography of the battlefield is apparent, and no cluttering the screen with hundred upon hundreds of lens flares, lasers or explosions.
Superbly done
The thing I loved about old-school Trek is that every shot had consequences, even the misses. They didn't overwhelm your senses, they wanted you paying attention to every maneuver.
enterprise could have fired a torpedo back along the path of the enemy torpedo.
Also you can see the damage. While the shields up what we got was looked bad but otherwise not critical. As the shields weakened, the amount of damage bleed got worse. The moment the shields collapsed, we get a through and through hit.
A few ships is all you need for a great battle. No need for dozens of CGI ships. I don't know why so many people think that "more is better".
@@SamSitar I don't think so, because the Bird of Prey, besides being fast, shot while moving.
Shooting in the opposite direction to its shots would be in vain, because it would no longer be there.
"To be... or not... to be..."
RIP Christopher Plummer
But he died well 🤣
He's drinking blood wine in Stovokor now
"Cry 'Havoc!" And let slip the dogs of war!"
Christopher Plummer deliberately hammed that this scene up and really enjoyed himself.
To be fair, I enjoyed it a lot, too.
Did you see his last movie, 'Remember'?
It's really good...and it shows he never lost his touch.
taH pagh taHbe! May his soul be drinking Blood Wine in Sto'Vo'Kor.
The dialogue at the 2:00 mark is incredible writing from a character perspective. Sulu worked his whole career to get to that point, commanding an Excelsior Class vessel all his own and he's willing to quite literally "fly her apart then" in order to reach his friends. It's such a powerful moment about friendship and camaraderie that I think often gets overshadowed by the sturm und drang of this excellent movie's climax.
I was literally thinking the same thing just now watching the battle. It is one of my favorite parts of the movie because this small scene contains everything that makes Starfleet so great. They are willing to fight for it each other and they don't hesitate to rush into danger if one of their own is in danger.
Reinforced in Flashback
You can also see this in the scene from star trek 3 on the bridge just before they steal the Enterprise. Kirk gives them a chance to gracefully bow out, but no-one does. Their friendship and loyalty to each other means more to them than their careers and their futures.
@@paulrasmussen8953 One of the better parts of Voyager.
@@treyhelms5282 one yes that show was hurt by poor writing
"Fly her apart then!"
No other line was more badass than this in the whole movie.
To me, there was one: "Target that explosion and fire."
I dunno Ive always loved Christopher Plummer tootling around in his office chair while spitting Willy Shakes quotes at us "Cry havOK and let slip the dogs of War!" The man was loving his work that day.
George Takei's finest hour
People always forget that Sulu's style of command was way more authoritarian than Kirks' was. Sulu was a bit of a hardass.
@@lutzmowinski9781 Hardass was his stage name.
When Kirk jumps up, clenches his fist and says “fire” with that satisfied tone of voice, how can you not get the shivers?
That and the panicked “back off back off” classic!
@@hammerofdavey I agree. Undiscovered Country is my second favorite because everything in it is well executed. Characters evolve, show their darker sides as well as their best, the tension is amazing. Frankly, this is Star Trek at its finest hour and a great sendoff for the original crew.
Aahahahhahaa
One satisfying kick up the Klingon empirical nuts 🖖♥️🇦🇺🤠
@@hammerofdavey aaahahhahaahaa sure of it 🖖
Been watching that movie since I was a kid and it gets me every time!
One thing (another thing) the new films miss: the Enterprise is a character too. And I really miss this Enterprise. Is it just me, or is the design very aesthetically pleasing.
Ikr the new enterprise is just a flashy screaming machine now. I can feel this old one actually struggling and when the excelsior was hit i was like, oh u've fucking done it now. I dont know how to describe it lol. The ships in the original ST just feels different and i like it.
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There's something very beautiful about the original ships. I don't know of any other fictional ships that are so aesthetically pleasing. Star Wars' space ships are iconic, but nobody calls them beautiful. It's amazing to me that the original series Enterprise still looks cool 50 years later. And the "Enterprise-A" is my favorite. Very cool and original styles.
+the81kid I've been saying that since the first TNG movie, they just don't understand that the Enterprise is a character too...so those movies all felt "lacking".
Conundrum
You're right, the Enterprise is a character in Star Trek. It's not Star Trek when the ship is not a character of its own, with it's own story. Notice how in all the films with the original cast, the ship had problems: an untested refit (TMP), heavily damaged and limping (TWOK), barely limping along (TSFS), replaced and then returned (TVH), unfininshed and full of bugs (TFF), the final mission (TUC). I always felt that gave it a personality and a journey all of its own. It really added to the dimension of the story - the ship had its own problems and challenges too.
+the81kid Oh, yeah. Very aesthetically pleasing. Which is why the Constitution-Class refit design (the design used by the Enterprise) is one of my three most favorite Star Trek ship designs, along with the Galaxy-Class and the Sovereign-Class. Although I must say I do also like the design of the Enterprise from the JJ Abrams movies (it kind of looks to me like they were trying to pay homage to the original design from the show and the refit design from the movies, and I rather like that).
“Some people think the future means the end of history. But we haven’t run out of history just yet. Your father called the future ‘the undiscovered country.’ People can be very frightened of change.” - Kirk
Azetbur: You've restored my father's faith.
Captain James T. Kirk: And you've restored my son's.
''If there is to be a brave new world our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it .'' - Gorkon
I served poached eggs to Christopher Plummer when he shot a movie in my town. I was in my 20's and didn't know who he really was at the time. He was extremely cordial, polite and friendly and took the time to chat even. he was 1st class. Very talented pianist too from what I've seen. Lord rest his soul.
Wow that's a awesome story to tell. Did you ever see whatever movie it was he was filming after.
@@generalgrievous696 The Boy in Blue about Ned Hanlan. It didn't do well. I slept in the day I could've been an extra.
i have found over the years as i run into classically trained actors, that they are great people, often very humble and despite their fame" its a job i do, not who i am". compare that to hollywood "stars", a bunch of fame seeking narcissists seeking instant fame due to their looks or based on their ability to swallow.
God is imaginary.
@@waldopepper4069 wow, what an appropriate statement.
I miss the heck out of DeForest Kelley and Leonard Nimoy.
and James Doohan
Paul Kember Yeha, no kiddin'.
And Majel Barret, though she didn't have any screen time in the TOS movies.
She was nurse chapel with bones in the medbay and then luxanna troi in TNG
+trha2222 +Paul Kember I know that, she was also the computer voice for TNG and DS9, but wasn't in the movies. Remember in TMP when Bones was beamed on board that he heard that Chapel made Dr?
This is the best written battle in any Star Trek TV series or movie to date. I saw it in the theaters when it came out and was stunned. My parents never took me to see movies in the theaters really, it was a very rare occasion. But they took me to see this and it remains one of my favorite movies ever.
Its also the best send off for any cast of any ST show. It feels like a proper ending and no cliffhanger needed. Loved that they used the cast's signatures in the credits.
I never get tired of the torpedo launching sequence
I agree totally; I remember watching it in the theater as well. Right before Kirk says the iconic Peter Pan line, I remember thinking that's what he would/should say; I got chills when he said it. Call it intuition or what; the moment kind of blew me away.
My favorite of the original ST movies for sure.
100% 👍
The battles in Star Trek II were better and lasted longer.
I love that UHURA figures it out....
Especially that she knows what a 'tail pipe' is about 200 years after the last one was ever made!
Originally it was supposed to be the Excelsior who had the tracking equipment. They even set it up in the first scene, mentioning they're cataloging gaseous anomalies. But Shatner felt the Enterprise should save itself. Dick move on his part maybe, but it definitely it more satisfying seeing Spock and McCoy modify the torpedo, and to hear Shatner give the order.
i would assume all Starfleet vessels had such equipment, since science/exploration was their primary mission.
@@Roadvirus1 that would have made more sense. Unfortunately that's not how the script was written
@@lozman67 From Uhura's perspective, she was on 20th Century Earth only 6 years ago. While looking for the "Nuclear Wessels" in San Fransisco, along with Chekov.
I'd forgotten how good the last film of the old series was. I'm so glad all the original cast was present. They definitely went out on a high note.
If only the Star Wars sequels could've delivered like this movie did.
Star Trek VI is a great movie.
@@stormhawk31 The most recent Star Wars trilogy was ass! The Chris Pine Trek trilogy was better.
@@dmacbass Yup
@@CaptainSpalding72 Nope. It's subjective. Get over yourself and your high horse.
If this isn't one of the best space battle scenes of all time then I don't know what is. Dialogue, special effects, direction, timing, background music, & tension. Ultimate space battle with a walk off grand slam.
Agree - and was so impressed back when originally watching in the theaters to see a different SFX angle of attack at the 04:21 mark.
You need to watch more space battles.
capt sulu - "in range?"
star trek officer - "not yet sir"
capt sulu - "come on come on"
star trek officer - "she'll fly apart"
capt sulu - "Fly Her Apart Then"
worf would watch this in the archives and nod his head in approval.
I get goosebumps watching that bit.
As do i, the dialogue is gold in this movie.
A great line but if Excelsior flies apart she won't reach the battle.
TIG5574 Genghis Khan himself said "better to be on hand with ten men than absent with ten thousand." He was hardly a military moron.
Sulu was gonna make his own crew like that of the Enterprise, even if he had to drag them into greatness whining and screaming.
"Target that explosion and FIRE"
Hell yeah.
+Jeremy Farrance I am still amazed how he moved up the ranks so quickly.
+Mike Rodgers He was supposed to move up the ranks even faster, but Shatner's ego apparently got in the way (was supposed to have his own ship as early as TWOK?)
***** I see...
+Immortalfire Yay explosions make disasterously funny fires
Woo?
This was a very underrated sequel...
I was in the cinema and the gasps when Chang’s body exploded and the fist pumps as 2 starships laid into the bird of prey. Very rare reaction from a British audience, we were enthralled! 🤩
Christopher Plummer (General Chang) was AWESOME in this Movie!
Best Trek villain...at least in the movies....I would've loved to see him and Dukat in the same story.
+288theabe khaaaaaaaaaaan
Go check out Klingon Academy on UA-cam.
It was a game they released years ago, and he's a pretty prominent character in it.
They even show the fight where he lost his eye
Quoting Shakespeare like a mofo.
I would agree, and the only other Star Trek villain that came close was Khan as played by Benedict Cumberbatch.
Little moments like the one where they cut to Sulu on the bridge of the Excelsior are part of what makes these movies so great and so timeless. Everything about it is so great from the suspenseful music with the horns, the way Takei delivers those couple lines, the shaking of the ship. I've watched all these Star Trek movies so many times and the older I get, the more I appreciate them.
Good quality, does not have times. :)
She's fly apart .... Fly apart then.!! .... best scene i watch over and over
Me too, the layers of emotion here all well earned.
“Fly her apart then!!!..”
Has special meaning to me.
I live in a very hilly/isolated area of England.
Someone I care about very dearly was pretty much dead from a drug overdose.
Ambulances here can take up to 2 or more hours to arrive.
My friend had an evo v111.
We smashed those back single track roads so hard and fast to the hospital, we blew the turbo, lost the WHOLE exhaust somewhere, and bent the chassis, as well as the engine brackets shearing till only 2 remained.
We got him there.
He’s still alive now (with wife + kid)
We destroyed a 30 grand car for him.
10 days after we went to the scrapyard, we couldn’t leave her for the crusher.
We burnt her, gave her a hero/Viking send off.
Godspeed excelsior/know that feeling.
Live long and prosper
That's an amazing story. I think he still owes your friend a 10 second car...F+TF.
This is seriously one of the most epic things I have ever read on UA-cam
How is anyone two hours away from hospital? No seriously. You're in England? It's a tiny island.
I come back occasionally.
Check out our 999 response times (especially rural areas + drug cases) you will understand.
I'll never forget watching this in a packed theater when I was 13 with my Dad and brother. When that first torpedo knocked Chang's Bird of Prey out of cloak everyone in the theater cheered, when Sulu said "target that explosion and fire" with the Enterprise and Excelsior going to town on it, the cheers tuned into yells, but when it exploded they went completely insane and it was awesome! What a great time that was
Agreed .. when movie theatres were movie theatres .. no cheers or jeers these days
🤣🖖🇦🇺🤠
@@piggzieswrath You can still find cheers and jeers but the movie has to be worth it.
@@voss0749 sure of it my friend ❤️🙏🖖👽🇭🇲 maaate
It is rare and was a thrill when the entire audience in a theater claps and cheers! I heard it during this movie, Superman II when superman got his powers back and flew into metropolis, then applause at the end of his hidden figures when the cast picture faded into the pictures of the real life people they portrayed.
On the opposite end, at the end of "sound of freedom " everyone was stone silent. Not a cough even. And many moist eyes.
When you evoke those emotions, you know you did it right
and then everyone clapped and the president gave you a medal.
why you do people lie about this nonsense all the time?
I like that despite shields, there is a definite kinetic effect imparted onto these starships as they are hit. This is how it should be.
What, you don't like it when the crew is mildly inconvenienced and has to lean forward a bit?
Thats because atcthat tim they don't have multiphased Shields in Bubble form engolfing the ship. In this age the shields are "only" emitted through the plating like an energycurrent. In 24th cebtury they do have emitters which project the energyfields far away from the vessel to keep those damages exactly from happening.
@@Tommieboy2009 If that is so why the computer diagram of the Enterprise shield was presented like a force field around the ship. Not a perfect bubble but not on the hull either. Which by the way that Entprise D bubble shield got popped by a old bird of prey which found its frequency.
@@hamhockbeans , the shielding of an old refit Constitution-class era ship is probably similar in effect to the ablative armor that we have today on things like tanks - armor designed to be destroyed in order to dissipate as much of the destructive force as possible before reaching the protected surface. In Trek technobabble, it's likely materialised and projected above the actual hull using energy-matter converters (as Tom Ga alluded to above), similar to how replicators and transporters in Star Trek work. Regarding the shield status display, I would suspect a user interface designer would justify using an 'inaccurate' bubble / force field diagram as being more practical in terms of conveying information efficiently to crew members under stress. The filmmakers would justify using it to quickly convey what is happening to the shields to the audience without unnecessary exposition.
@@altoid1804 Wrong. What you describe would be an ablative armor, replicated by armor generators, as seen in Voyager - Endgame.
The electric current on the hull as means of protection, as mentioned earlier by @Tom Ga, that would be 22nd century technology => Capt. Archers Enterprise, polarizing the hull plating.
The 23rd century shields were bubble formed energy fields like those of the 24th century (=> USS Jenolen, Next Generation episode "Relics"), the difference is in the generation of that force field (monophasic vs. multi phasic shield generators). The later just work more efficiently.
I think my favourite line is "We've got a heart beat" from McCoy when they finish modifying the torpedo. Concise, in-character, informative, and clean; wonderful storytelling.
Still sometimes use that when I get something working.
"Target that explosion and fire."
Sulu is absolutely how a captain should sound. Resolute. Decisive. Quick to act in defense of his ship, and of his friends.
No prisoners going to jail that day!
"She'll fly herself apart."
"Fly her apart then!"
It's sad that we never got another instance of Sulu and Excelsior. There was a fan made vid of a TOS episode that had Takei in it and one of the people involved agreed with me and said that Takei said the same thing when bringing up that the studio should have made an Excelsior series. He told me Takei said "it was a damn shame".
Now he's just a bitter old man and woke AF.
I also like how they acknowledged for all the tech nerds like me how the Excelsior was still experimental and it's transwarp drive was still quarky. That poor pilot was not trying to push it to hard.
@@cujoedaman Wow you were so close to actually making a good damn point then off to crazy town at warp speed.
@@b1gjoekrash From what I know, transwarp was decommissioned before Sulu took command.
II and VI are still my favorites years later
Yes with First Contact 3rd in line.
You people...
None can dispute the clear fact that the best was OBVIOUSLY really Star Trek IV: Save the Whales.
Yep, II & VI also favourite here.
@@HocchanFan Well, II, IV and VI all involved Nicholas Meyer. He directed II and VI and was one of the screenwriters of IV. He clearly knew how to handle Star Trek films.
First Contact for me - but then, don't ask me why, maybe in same creepy self hurting way, I do actually like Star Trek V - most because of Sybok's character - I wish they made him some cool character in next Star Trek.
Absolutely love McCoy's line, "I'd give real money if he'd shut-up"! Lol!😂😂😂😂
This line is super funny because Spock says it, not Bones.
@@johnd.1618 It is Dr. McCoy that says that about General Chang not Spock! Didn't you recognize DeForrest Kelley's voice when you heard that line of dialogue in "Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country" when you saw the movie?
@@michaelbarlow6610 Yeah, you are probably right. pity it would have been funnier if Spock was saying that. Showing that even a half Vulcan couldn't endure Chang.
Mind melded though, so maybe.
The number of times I've used this line in my day-to-day life is embarassing.
This scene still holds up as an incredible battle scene even now over two decades later. I remember seeing this in theaters when it first came out, and my god was it exciting!
This whole scene gives me absolute goosebumps. It has callback moments to Balance of Terror and literally everyone on the bridge puts their heads together to come up with a solution and the Excelsior's timely arrival to assist gives Sulu the spotlight that his character deserves.
The Undiscovered Country is just a glorious film and the perfect way for the TOS crew to go out on.
Hear, hear.
"Second star to the right - and straight on 'till morning."
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@@HuntingTarg If I were human, I believe my response would be "Go to Hell"
Ahhh, the Bird of Prey that put on such an impressive display that every single one constructed afterwards by the Klingon Defense Force was designed to blow up in exactly the same manner.
i blame those pesky defective plasma coils
To be.... or not.... to be
*looks away*
@ 2:20 I've always been impressed by the Enterprise flyby from the bird-of-prey's view screen. Not sure why. it just looks so realistic even after more than 20 years.
It's very good but I think the imposing close up of the saucer section with torpedo damage at 3:20 is the best single ship scene of the entire franchise. Certainly better than the mindlessly fast CGI of the Abrams reboot.
Yeah, olden days special effects were methodical and focused. You'd have one or two things happen, and those things were very dramatic events. Because it wasn't just a continuous series of as many special effects all crammed into one as possible. The torpedo going through the saucer just looked... EVIL. Because you didn't see that sort of graphic 'ship violence' very often. Its an iconic scene.
Because, unlike overbearing CGI, what you saw was a huge, physical Model of the Enterprise; Practical/optical effects still look very impressive because they are REAL.
It was a real model (not CGI) and it was huge (10+ feet long).
CGI just doesn't look real yet. It's very good but there is a difference between reality (like "Inception") and CGI.
Because it features Kirk always the rabbit until the predator suddenly realizes Kirk turned back on him and used their speed to close the distance and they are done.
When William Shatner delivers those lines, "Back-off! Back-off!~" That's some incredible acting!
StarshipValiant I love it too but I felt like the cut to that shot feels off
@@MajL337 I agree. I think it's because they changed the camera angle. They should have kept the previous close up angle of Kirk which would have maintained the continuity of intensity of Kirk's dangerous and high-pressure situation.
@@AlanSmitheeman you don’t really see his hands in that angle though. Which is half the acting
Add in the dialogue right after that, when both Chang and Spock sell the audience the idea that Kirk’s battle tactic was completely unorthodox.
@@MajL337 It's two different shots - it never was continuous so they had no choice.
This battle is relatively minimal in terms of special effects and yet it is one of the tensest, most well-done battle scenes in all of Trek. Amazing.
She'll fly apart......
FLY HER APART THEN! Sulu becomes the badass Captain.
But Capt. Sisko will top it later really badass ... like Star Wars Empire´s Emperor
leftcoaster67 yes he had some great moments in this movie. That line always demands at least one rewind when watching on DVD/BluRay.
Sulu is/was also gay pretending to be tough.
@@Mustang-bk4ns Better than the joke that is Discovery .
@@Mustang-bk4ns actually Sulu was straight, married and had a daughter. Takei even did a fan film "world enough and time"that expanded on his character.. George takei was actually mad at jj abrams for changing Sulu to be gay because it over wrote canon and all his work.
Gotta love Shatner's fist pump. "FIRE!"
Shatner should have gotten the Academy Award for saying " FIRE !"
And the award for saying "FIRE !" goes to !
***Opens envelope***
William Shatner !
I always thought Sulu ordering "FLY her apart then!" was one of the most badass lines ever.
I love the fact that Kirk didn't retaliate until he had a solution. He wasn't firing off a ton of torpedoes, or phasers in random directions. The first shot found its mark, and the remaining shots finished the job. It just feels so Starfleet. Don't act in desperation, act with a purpose. And I mean think of the Klingons, feeling on top of the world with a ship that can fire while cloaked, only to have the first torpedo shot at it to score a direct hit. And the follow up salvos from the Enterprise and Excelsior are just brutal and direct.
At the same time, Enterprise's sensors probably saw where the shot came from, bearing and distance, and could predict likely enemy positions from this just like real world ships have done. Fire phasers at likely enemy positions to 'sound out' its position.
Plus the gas and debris kicked up by the battle would also cause sensor ghosting on the edge of the cloaking field, weakening it with every shot.
Yeah, actually Picard did that in Star Trek Insurrection, with the Scimitar. He got right firing at all directions to find the Scimitar, but ad the end he had to ram her (not a "desesperate decision" actually, but it was his last option) to win. If Kirk did that here, this battle would've ended in seconds lol
@@uli1053 To be fair, the Enterprise-E has very different capabilities from the A. That strategy would only work so well in this fight here, if Kirk's ship too can put out that kind of sustained rapid fire.
@@lorddaro7771 Phasers cycle fairly fast, so they could have located the target using them before releasing a full salvo of torpedo to finish it off.
Are we just ignoring original series episodes where kirk does exactly that? Full spread everything.
Well directed and written scenes. Star Trek VI deserves much more credit.
The music for this entire movie was super on point.. All these years later the music still gives me goosebumps.
'I'd give real money if he'd shut up' one of McCoy's best lines...haha. Then Kirk's 'Fire!' and how the battle concluded, always liked this part, though I think they used the same footage of the Bird of Prey exploding in Generations. All in all this was cool.
Indeed they did, including the opening when the Bird of Prey cloaks, and when the Excelsior is at warp speed. (In Generations they reused that shot when the Enterprise-B is at warp) And thanks! =)
griefmaker88 The studio really cut corners on the TNG movies. They squeezed the last drop from the franchise cash cow.
griefmaker88 How cheap do you have to be to reuse a special effect?
viperhalberd
Here's how cheap you have to be:
In the same year (1994) that Star Trek Generations was released, the live-action movie The Flintstones was released, and had a budget of $45 million. The movie Speed was also released that year, and had a budget of $40 million. The movie True Lies had a budget over $100 million.
Star Trek Generation's production budget was only $25 million.
implicaverse Yeah, but to be fair I think they could have nixed the entire and ultimately useless holodeck scene (which served no purpose, they could have re-scripted something similar for Ten Forward) would have saved them money on building/renting the boat and having all those new uniforms.
Also, Generations had something up on those other films. A vast majority of the sets already existed. Lot's of construction costs were handled right then and there.
I remembered everbody cheered in the theater when they blew up the bird of prey scene ..epic!
That was the first time I remember an audience cheering at a movie. I was reminded of this while watching Endgame last night at a sold out show and the audience going nuts.
Until they used the same shot killing the Duras sisters in Generations.... several palmface and colorful metaphors used in the theaters..lol
Hell yeah. I remember. We're old
@@chrisurwin9310 Remember when the BOPs were destroyed in DS9 with a single photon? Not as strong a memory. Eh?
The Enterprise core breach needed to be much more violent and powerful because it was the hero ship going down, not some decommissioned scout many times older than the Enterprise, herself.
@@devilmanlg1500 Blowing up the Death Star?
God, I remember I went to opening night for this movie and at the end the whole theatre stood up and applauded at the end. Absolutely wonderful. No modern movie comes close.
I agree! I went to it with my girlfriend. We have been married almost 30 years now. And she gets the whole Star Trek thing absolutely. It's as simple basically as a wonderful human story, timeless.
The last movie I went to that actually got applause in the theater was one of the Lord of the Rings movies (I don't remember which, probably the first one). It's certainly not common.
I remember seeing this in theaters back in the day. I was a teenager, it was December. I was going through a pretty lousy depressed period and I saw it alone, but really enjoyed it and it cheered me up that night.
"I Would Give Him Real Money If He Would Shut Up" -McCoy
Ahh... I love that quote
Who hasn't watched this scene 25+ times ? Never gets old.
Best Star Trek second only to TWOK. Christopher Plummer's Chang made this a modern classic.
I agree, id have to put 8 in 3rd
Agreed. That is why the real title of this movie is Star Trek VI: The Apology
I remember watching this at the movies as a kid. The whole theater applauded when the bird of prey blew up. Such a good film.
Saw this in theaters too. Our audience reaction was the same. Cheering and applause. Good memories.
I seen it as a kid in the theater too. We all cheered when the bird of prey was destroyed as well.
me too
uh huh.
I like the fact the Enterprise still takes damage even with shields up. It's like getting shot while wearing a kevlar vest: the bullet won't penetrate your body and cause extreme injury or death, but it'll hurt a LOT and probably break a rib or two.
Technology at that point was not so advanced. What they had was more or less an improved version of hull plating. Enterprise D had real shield so you rarely seeing the bridge explodes
@@lzbhcvm6747 from what I understand, the TOS shields were actually shields, just not as good as later ones. Definitely wasn't hull plating.
Excellent stuff and Christopher Plummer is clearly having a whale of a time.
RIP
Nah Whales were in the Fourth movie
Gotta love this clip!!
He’s flying round in his invisible space ship, spinning in his chair and barking Shakespeare while firing photon torpedoes at a man known as his acting rival. Dude’s on top of the world and just a joy to watch in this. RIP you absolute legend you.
the consumate actor. Requiescat In Pace
I saw this in the theater the night it opened. What a great time. When the Enterprise and Excelsior began pummeling the Klingon ship with photon torpedoes, the crowd roared like it was a football game!
Christopher Jaskowiak nice 👍
Epic man, wish I could have been there.
Oh... how I envy you!
I'm so freaking jealous that you actually got to see this in the Theater!!! 😍
Definitely *EPIC* !!!
@@OrbitFallenAngel well, I guess I may make you more jealous, but I saw ALL of the TOS films in the theater! I was very young, only 6, for the first one. I was 9 when I saw "Wrath Of Khan", and that movie scared the hell out of me! I was 11 for "Search For Spock" and by then I was old enough to truly appreciate it. Seeing "The Voyage Home" for the first time with my whole family is one of my fondest childhood memories!
Up to this point in the franchise history, we had never seen the Enterprise take this much of a pummeling. As a kid at the time I first saw this, I remember being shocked as all hell seeing a torpedo go right through the Enterprise and come out the other end.
As did ! !!! I was like 8 or 9....and seeing that torpedo rip through the saucer made so sad for the Enterprise..and it was shown a lot in trailer clips...
That being said...
It made it all that more gratifying seeing both Enterprise and Excelsior pummel the BoP with a barrage of their own torpedoes!
Made so much better by the use of practical effects. These days they'd use CGI and it wouldn't be as good (and would get much worse as newer tech comes out). Back then (I was 11), it was amazing. I just watched it again and it's still amazing. It really holds up.
I feel like the Enterprise, it hurts me when she gets hit every time! lol
Agreed, it was tough to watch the Enterprise take such a pounding, but she’s a tough ship and came through in the end proudly showing her battle scars!
Didn’t the enterprise get blown up in the third movie?
I love how the -A whips by, even at impulse speed, to orbit Khitomer. It makes me appreciate how fast even sub-light speeds are in Star Trek. I think this is the only time in any Trek series and/or movie that depicts impulse this fast like a blur. The Constitution/Refit class is my all-time favorite as are Kirk & Crew! LLAP everyone!
Was just thinking this six years later. LOL I think this is the fastest they've ever shown the Enterprise move in any movie or TV show. She was hauling ass. Looked like she dropped out of warp and was still at high impulse.
@@zombieshoot4318 It's such a nice touch, and a helpful contrast to the close-up slugfest stuff. In the first movie, there's the scene of Enterprise leaving dock. The impulse engines flare up, and the ship rockets away with Earth getting really small, really fast in the rear view.
Reminds me of a probably-apocryphal thing I heard from an F-16 pilot, who apparently knew someone who had, 'World get bigger/World get smaller' written on his right-hand glove, which controls the stick..
👍🖖♥️🇦🇺🤠
Christopher Plummer, the actor behind General Chang passed away today. May he live in Sto'Vo'Kor!
That is in my opinion the best Star Trek Movie in the Classic Universe.. i Could see it over and over again. Alone the Opening Music a Masterpiece. Thank you for that Video.
Even when he knew his death was inevitable, he didn't rush his line. RIP Christopher Plumber.
1:58 the thing I like about sulu as a captain is there is no shadow of doubt in his decisions
Captain Sulu learned from the best.
It's all that fencing he used to do.
Sulu coming in at warp 11 and barking "Fly Her apart then!" is one of the most heroic 3 seconds on film, fight me!
And Chang dooms himself by saying I'm constant as the northern star aka Julius Caesar
this scene alone is still miles upon miles better than anything that JJ or Kurtzman has put out since running the franchise into the ground.
Exactly Brother... Other times, Other directors ... Better actors, better scripts ... The CGI was not the main thing.
@@starfleet-verdadero9808 CGI is just icing on the cake bud, completely agree with you. Time to get that time machine going so we can go back and enjoy entertainment how it used to be....when it was fun and good. not stupid and woke.
@@The_Zilli Yeap...
Jesus christ cant watch a single Star Trek clip without one of these circle jerks starting....
@@LordDarthHarry absolutely. Turning every Trek thing into a whiny man bitch about new Trek. I hear you. 🖖🙂
2:21-2:26, such a beautiful and majestic PRACTICAL EFFECTS shot. One of the best scenes in the film.
Always thought that was an early attempt at CGI because of the lighting and texture looking different to all the other shots. Thought they used it to get the sweeping shot.
Models over CGI any day baby.
+Earl Let's not blame a refined art because of an example of bad execution
Hate to break it to you but the Excelsior was CGI when it was going through the Praxis shockwave. So was the Enterprise-B when it was in the Nexus ribbon in GENERATIONS, and the Defiant is CGI in FIRST CONTACT.
yep cgi isnt real but animated the models made it look like these ships actually existed in real life
@@leejee88 , with the current state of CGI, that is no longer the case.
@@bladeduffer cgi is just detailed animated cartoons its not the real thing never will be cgi is a trend imo those ships looked way more real than the current cgi ones
4:03 That Klingon in the background is like "What the hell?! Is he going mad?!"
So I'm not the only one who noticed. Especially if the rest of the crew did not speak or understand English, in which case they would have had no idea what he was saying to his prey.
4:15 what a great action moment, the music sting, Spock and bones frantically trying to fix the problem, and that torpedo shot was so amazing for the time
I want Chang's swivelling office chair, so I can spin around and quote Shakespeare like an idiot!
Admiral8Q It was at that point that some of the Klingon bridge contemplated challenging him for command.
Admiral8Q - I think they call the gloating.
He was far from an idiot...
“To be or... not to be.”
RIP Christopher Plummer
Probably the BEST depiction of a ship taking several severe hits and each section exploding as they overload and eminiately are destructed leaving the entire bridge area for last. Beautifully done.
I like how It's Uhura's idea that saves the day!
It was team work.
Uhura had a idea.
Scotty kept the ship from flying apart at the seams.
Spock and McCoy prepared the torpedo.
Kirk said fire.
Team work.
@@Wildstar40 Kirk had the most important job by far. 😂
@@hungrydragonvsfrightendhob7799 he did he absolutely could've said no and differ from his support staff. Lesser decisions yield greater defeats in real life.
Every character got to shine one last time together.
It was spocks idea
The Excelsior Class is one beautiful ship class...
Not as beautiful as her captain I think
I agree
"Ohhh myyyy"
I also love the refit Constitution from the Shatner-era movies. Definitely a damn sight better than that godawful JJ Abrams abomination.
always had a soft spot for the Akira class myself
I'd seen Star Trek before this movie came out, but seeing this in the theater when I was 11 is what kicked off a lifetime of love for the series.
"Fly her apart, then!" Chills. I remember seeing it for the first time in a theater, as a fan of the original series - when it originally played. Sulu was always going to be Skipper of his own ship. Always.
(SPOILERS!) General Chang commits a series of egregious tactical blunders throughout this battle. He engages both a heavy cruiser and a battleship with a lone frigate, each heavily outgunning him. He divides fire between the two ships, prioritizing neither. He overestimates the extent of his camouflage. Worse, he doesn't even bother to maintain radio silence. Small wonder Chang runs out of time. The screenwriter set him up for a foolhardy defeat.
+AlienatingPredation you know, you are right about that. tonnage wise, the Ent-A is a HCA and the Excel is a BB too. If he focused on the Ent-A, he would have finished her in one or two well placed shots. After that, would have targeted the Excel
Jansomax85
Often, fictional characters are so busy making themselves into heroes and villains that they forget how to perform well at their jobs. For instance, General Chang could not have menaced Kirk by quoting Shakespeare if he had observed strict radio silence.
+AlienatingPredation Play STO much? :P
Maizerus
I've heard of STO but know next to nothing about multiplayer games. Rightly or wrongly, I associate them with a frenetic pace that disallows exploration.
AlienatingPredation Your knowledge of Trek ship classes is impressive considering you don't play it. That's all that question was determining. Good day.
Thank you, Nicholas Meyer. This film is a masterpiece.
It truly is!
Christopher it's about time they gave him an Oscar Plummer. Superb Acting.
He won one a decade again my friend
I have to admit that I am a Star Trek fan and this has to be one of my favourite scenes of all the movies.
We don't give enough credit to 2:56 - Spock finally manages to insert figurative language into his speech, and McCoy gives a response that his old friend always gave. That's the true conclusion of both of their character arcs!
What is amazing about this moment is that after all the major,literally massive threats faced by the Enterprise and her immediate successor--the Fesarius,the Doomsday Machine,the space ameboa,V'Ger,and "God"--her finest hour comes down to a rematch between Enterprise herself and what is essentially the Klingon Empire's equivalent of a scout ship.
What I find eerie and terrifyingly beautiful is the shots of the bird of prey barely being illuminated by the torpedoes being fired then just as quickly fading back into the shadows
And the "ROAR!" scream as it leaves the torpedo tube
@@jatodd3746yeah the soundboard choices were very well done as well
Helmsman: “She’ll fly apart.”
Sulu: “Fly her apart then!”
God, that gives me chills! Such a demanding and poignant line.
Given his experience, I'd say Sulu knows his ship and how far he can push it probably a lot better than that helmsman.
Thank god someone said it! that line is epic!!
No other Star Trek comes close. This was the best Enterprise crew on the best looking Enterprise variant in all the best adventures.
"Gas... Gas, Captain"
"It was Chili Night, Spock. What was I supposed to do?"
"Now I see the reason for the quality of Star Trek V..."
Steven Watchorn I think the campfire scene in The Final Frontier is some of the best moments of Trek.
If they had combined it with the campfire scene from Blazing Saddles, I would agree. :)
Steven Watchorn I can't imagine the principal characters from one of the premier science fiction franchises having flatulence on a medical level.
Alfred Valrie We have very different imaginations (and that may be fortunate for you) :D.
+RuralBreakfast GET MY BROWN PANTS!!!
There are some beautiful shots of the Constitution II design in this battle.
My favorite Starship design! (from the 23rd century)
I looked up the shakspeare line, cry havoc-Here's the whole verse, from Julius Caesar & uttered by Marc Anthony when Caesar is killed. "Blood & destruction shall be so in use, & dreadful objects so familiar, That mothers will but smile when they behold, their infants quartered with the hands of war; All pity choked with custom of fell deeds: & Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, with Ate by his side come hot from Hell, Shall in these confines cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the Earth with carrion men, Groaning for burial." Kinda fits when you read the whole thing? But in his other play, Coriolanus, " Do not cry havoc, where you should but hunt with modest warrant."...
unionrdr Chang misses the part about modesty. Resulting in his defeat.
I believe you would find many other lines came from Henry V, where the dogs of war also show up.
@@artloverivy "Lost in the translation." I find it interesting Klingons would go through the trouble of translating the collected works. Not at all surprising they take something from another people and claim their interpretation is the "true" work.
@@Euripides_Panz I believe it’s based off of the Russian vs American mentalities of the Cold War where both sides fought for credit of various classic stories and quotes. The even more fascinating part is that both sides have to truly believe they’re right because it would hurt their pride if they were aware of how they’re basically stealing from another culture.
No matter how many times I see this I get pumped watching it. And Captain Sulu had the best line in the whole movie. Sulu: Can't this thing go any faster? Helsmen: She'll fly a part. Sulu: Fly her a part then!
This scene more than any other in TOS and the other movies shows just how ridiculously tough the Enterprise was when her shields were up and she was at battle stations.
Rest in Peace Christopher Plummer. You totally owned the whole Battle of Khitomer scene. Thanks for the decades of entertainment.
Christopher Plummer was superb in this movie. "I can see you, Kirk. Can you see me?" The delivery of that line was perfect.
Meyer was brilliant in writing that role for and casting Plummer, and Plummer did a brilliant job, wonderfully over the top without coming across as cheesy or artificial!
Watched this a thousand times, and every time Sulu says “Fly her apart then!” I get goosebumps. Every time.
RIP Christopher Plummer. He clearly was enjoying himself, and it’s a delight to watch.
Honor to get a pic with Bill after all the original cast had passed. Legend.
I remember watching this and feeling really bad for the Enterprise when she took that torpedo through the saucer. This Enterprise ship had a character all on its own and it was savage to see it brutally wounded like that. It was also very well done.
how did you enjoy Wolf 359, or the USS Odyssey
It's true what they say: "She's a beautiful Lady and we all love her".
That was the Excelsior, not the Enterprise.
@@protoborg Wrong. It was the Enterprise that took the photon torpedo through the hull of the main/primary saucer not the Excelsior in the climatic battle scene in "Star Trek6:The Undiscovered Country"! That's why Spock says to McCoy, "The hull has been compromised"!
I thought photon torpedoes yield up to 500 megaton explosions? If true, half the ship would have been vaporized without shields.
It's astonishing how much better the models look in this film. I remember watching one of the documentaries on the sfx used for this film, and one of the guys from ILM was talking about how they had just pioneered a new method of using some sort of yellow lighting on the models for one of the mattes they shot, which not only completely eliminated any artifacting or visible lines around models, but brought out incredible detail in the models like the earlier methods simply couldn't. And yet, it's not a case of the models being so detailed you can see they're production models; they did such a good job in this film with, well, everything, really, but the work done with the models in this film was so far ahead of its time. Even the super close shots look far more real than any 3d model.
You can make an amazingly detailed 3D model, but it's very, very hard to _light_ them realistically enough to fool the eye. When a production cheaps out, the most amazing models can look like a first year animation school project. If I had the choice, I'd say physical models, enhanced with CGI effects would be the best way to go. Realistic and believable ships, and excellent special effects around them, which is where CGI shines.
So crazy to think this is from 1991. And it really does look more real
There is a lot of artistic value with models. The creativity and work model builders put into ships and things really should remain in the industry. Its the only way people can see what hands and imagination can do.
practical physical models enhanced with CGI effects you get the best of both
1:06 you can almost hear Uhura want to say "keep him talking so i can try to trace him" while working the console to see if she can get a comms trace.
Some of the best music in the whole franchise, that’s for sure.