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Great video! A few comments: 1) I do wish that, had the Archie sonic series continued, Amy gives up on sonic. This is taking cue from the British sonic comics where the team felt that amy more or less had a schoolgirl/pop singer fangirl crush on sonic. She grew up in that story. I see the archie Amy doing the same. She will be remembered as among the greatest heroes of her time, and more importantly, Amy can find her own true love (who is closer to her age both physically and mentally). 2) I like how you point out how amy encourages knuckles, dosn't doubt his goal in life. Rouge, the character who has a....complicated relationship with knuckles, DOES. Its not Rouge was intentionally downplaying Knuckles's commitment, I think she was genuinely, in her own way, worried about his task that makes him isolated, but the way she voiced it does not endear her to Knuckles. Whether or not they will end up as romantic dates, its moments like that that make me think "Perhaps they wouldn't or cant be romantic partners because they have too many differences." Thoughts? 3)Will you cover Sally Acorn? and if so, would you analysis the intended romance between her and Nicole, and how that differs from her and sonic?
I think the best part of these videos is that, at the end of each one, I'm reminded why I love the characters and stories so much. These are probably my favourite analysis videos on the Sonic series at the moment, so thank you for making them!
I love that Flynn and company were able to elevate Amy to a main character without a massive retcon, and without trying to shpe-horn her into a role she doesn't really fit. I know it's been said before, but in Forces and the first couple IDW arcs, it feels like she's filling in for Sally, which does her a real disservice. Speaking of, I'm glad they never took the obvious route and made her and Sally rivals a la Betty and Veronica (ironic, being made by Archie), or that raising up one meant having to tear down the other- we get enough of that in the comments. Instead, Amy just gets to be a fun, cute, uplifting hero without any of the baggage that most of the other characters had.
The first couple IDW arcs? The whole IDW comics Amy has been filling in like Sally. Even after the part of Amy giving the leadership direction to Jewel, she still has those leadership traits and that generic personality of being the "girl" of the team. These characteristics fit Sally perfectly, but they look horrible on Amy, especially since SEGA forbade Amy from falling in love with Sonic again. And don't tell me "but Amy is still in love with Sonic in the comics", of course she is, but now she doesn't run after Sonic or perform any comedy act when she's near him as she normally does, at no point in the games show us a moment where Amy stopped doing that, without mentioning that said characteristic made her character unique. It's as if you said that removing Rouge's obsession with jewels or removing the Chaotix's obsession with money out of nowhere is "character development" when it isn't, you're just removing the characteristic that made your characters charmy and on top of that, you don't show any explanation of how they changed their personality, as if it was a sassy retcon. Don't come at me with that "character development" in the games, she never had it, they always showed her as a character obsessed with Sonic. "What about Forces?" Bro literally all the characters had a personality outside of character, just look at Tails and Sonic in that game "Heroes showed that Amy is a great leader" If we follow that logic, then Sonic also has the ability to be a leader of an entire resistance, just like Rouge and Vector. Exactly, it doesn't make sense, Amy was only the ringleader of her group of friends who were a six year old rabbit and Big being Big, are you really going to tell me that's why she has the ability to be the leader of an entire restoration just like that? Not to mention that SEGA completely abandoned team Rose and everyone considers that Heroes had one of the worst Amy...
@@criticalbuddy524To be fair, that stuff was Amy’s in the first place. She still tells people off like she did in the 2000s and 2010s. Amy was not originally just a joke and her relationship with Sonic was intended to be taken seriously in the very beginning.
@@kendraroth1276 "her relationship with sonic was supossed to be taken seriously at the beggining" Nah I've just read this and I knew the reply wasn't worth it, but I'm doing it anyways. Amy was supposed to be like a pink Sonic, who would carry her hammer to chase Sonic because she was madly in love with him, and Sonic would run away trying to avoid her. That dynamic was always like that, look at Adventure, Advance 3, Rush, Battle, Heroes, are you really going to tell me that something serious was planned? Where did you get that information from? If you ask any Sonictuber about that, everyone will agree that the romantic relationship was always intended to be comedic. "She still tells people off like 2000s" if you mean her leadership characteristics, I've already explained that, tell me other game apart of Heroes where she showed those.
@ “Amy was supposed to be chasing Sonic around with her hammer”? Are you sure about that? She didn’t get that hammer until several years after she debuted and was introduced as Sonic’s official girlfriend. Fighters was the very first time Amy had a hammer and she doesn’t use it anymore than anyone else does. Then it would later transfer to future versions of her character. In CD Amy was canonized and was based on her original Manga self, but without dating Sonic. She was just a damsel in distress and later, she spent the rest of the Classic era, maturing and growing out of her Fangirl crush. Then in the Adventure series, She has her first arc where she grows independent from Sonic. She used to be a little Shy about her crush, she dreamed about being with him but not saying anything out loud. By Adventure 2, she became more open her crush but only references it when Sonic wanted to know about her encounter with Shadow. However years later starting from Sonic X and Heroes, She became more crazy about her crush due to sexism and Sega listening to the fandom. But She only used her hammer a couple times, most of which he did something to make her angry. Thanks to society slowly becoming less sexist, she hadn’t done it all in the 2010s and in the Boom series and Lost World. she is treated more seriously. Even during Sonic X, there was an implied get together, with them even playing a love song. As for telling people off, I was referring to her calling Wave out in IDW and Her behavior in the Boom series and Prime.
I will say even though the soft reboot abruptly ended her character progression, like ALL the other plotlines and story arcs, I’m really glad you pointed out how even post Super Genesis Wave she retained much of why her Archie counterpart was special especially compared to the others. Sonic and Sally for instance lost much of their nuance but Amy felt like she made a natural transition into things. I like the soft reboot era but man… so much of what they were building up to completely lost 😭😢
This dissertation level of analysis of this series has been one of my favorite things to watch. Its funny because im not even a big sonic fan but i've become so invested in watching these videos you're making a fan out of me by the month!
Well welcome! Guys like Lowart helping me analyze the franchise is part of what really got me into it too a few years ago. I’ve been hooked on his videos since the first one 😊
She's related to the royal family of Mercia although she wouldn't be considered a princess as she doesn't meet any of the requirements per the accepted definition. She's not the daughter of the king, married to a prince, or the ruler of a subject state. That said, she's definitely hedgehog nobility and is technically a higher social class than Sonic is.
Two videos in the span of a few days? I’m impressed, i always love to see Archie appreciation, I hope to see more about the freedom fighter characters in the future
I appreciate all the sonic content u provide ! this has made my past couple work weeks an ease to get by listening to everything on your channel about Archie Sonic
Something I loved about the Archie comics is that each of the characters felt important. A lot of these great stories came out when the side characters were shoved into games with little reasoning, or if there WAS reason, they'd be reduced to base character traits and little else (poor poor Knuckles). But in the comics they grew into different people alongside Sonic and contributed significantly to the war effort. It felt like things didn't always just have to come down to Sonic and maybe one other important character of the arc. And even then, outside of direct confrontations with Eggman, Sonic wasn't as much of the "trump card" as you'd think he would be. He'd be the one to finish things usually, but not the one putting in the most effort all the time.
I haven't read the reboot yet; I'm not ready to face the end of a story I love and start a new one. But you've given me hope that there are things to look forward to. Thank you.
2 videos in one week? Youve spoiled us lol. Archie Amy has always been fun. I especially love when she was made a proper freedom fighter. It was very endearing to see how far she came. You cook as always 🙏
I was gonna make a comment about her Sonic the Comic version and recommend the Johnny Vector video, and I still recommend that video But the bit around halfway in the video made me feel on the verge of tearing up, and reminded me of why I love her. She'll believe in others even when they don't believe in themselves
On her relationship with Sonic. Karl Bollers did actually want to have Sonic and Amy be a couple. Just a little trivia note. I think with Amy, in relation to the reboot, the phrase "the more things change, the more they stay the same" applies.
so glad that didn't happen not the biggest sonic x amy fan here, plus I'm more invested in sonic and sally as a couple do their greater history and being around the same age and their flynn era rapport
in the context of the archie comics, I'm pretty glad that this didn't happen. If she can be just as fun and not wanting to be the main focus of sonic's life as she was in the comics, but without the weird implication of her mental age and such, I think it could be potentially a fun dynamic.
since we've gotten the major game characters done (Unless I'm forgetting soemthing), I'm guessing we're either moving onto the other freedom fighters next, or Eggman. not gonna lie, i think archie Eggman is the best eggman. I love the mix of comical and menacing with him, how we'll go issues not really talking about his history only to just casually bring it up as a reminder this goofy guy is an absolute monster noone can trust and who WILL make your life hell if he feels like it.
I love these videos, because they show me a version of these characters that I've never seen before. I never read the comics and I wouldn't even know where to start or if I have the patience to read them...
@@haha_hollie she's WILDLY different. hell in fleetway her primary weapon is a crossbow, and she was made to be more tomboyish comapred to games and archie amy.
11:45 Technically Sonic wasn't about to give up, it was just a fake-out. Sonic never gives up after all. Flynn has many strengths, but this time he just wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
I don't know if I would believe Sonic's own words in this moment. The way I understand this moment is more like Sonic's trying to hide that he was going to give up by playing it off like he was just faking it. Especially with how he's locked the door and depressed in his own room, it makes the possibility of giving up closer than Sonic himself admits.
You somehow managed for the first time to make me interested in something from the reboot, that's an accomplishment. Now I really wonder what Blaze will be up to in her video. I really wonder what would have happened had Ken Penders made stories with her, can you imagine what that would have looked like?
@@sarafontanini7051 With opportunities for shakespearian royal drama, intensive multigenerational family and lineage drama with supernatural elements without having to bother with Sonic on a different world that'd be a clean slate to make all his own, you bet he'd do something with her.
I can't get the image out of my head on genesis of a hero part 3 when Amy climbs one of the ''mountains'' just to talk to sonic before sonic CD starts.
Amy is a great example of a character that shines *as* the spotlight. The majority of time she's playing support, be it helping in the fight or offering an ear with no judgement, she does things that make the other characters look amazing. We don't need to follow every aspect of her life because generally, and not as an insult, it's not as narratively interesting or exciting as the rest of the stories going on. This is also why focusing on how she intersects all of the other character's stories makes the final focus on herself with Sonic's parents work so well, the details are small enough that you can get them from the other scenes. Once you have them, those strong scenes are then turned back to focus on Amy, distilling her efforts at the moment the audience is reminded that she has depth that often goes unspoken. At the same time, because her storyline is relatively mellow, you don't usually need that much build-up to give her a satisfying moment. Characters like Sonic that are always in the spotlight need to have intense moments with the entire plot and several characters supporting the act to make his character shine brighter than it already is. In contrast, since Amy is already hiding outside of the story's focus as a support role, you can have her become the focus as an unironic girlboss for one fight, or give her a scene to show off her internal dialogue, and it'll be plenty satisfying. Plus, it allows for further contrast when she *is* given the support for a big payoff of her own, an already strong character getting their big win. As an aside, this depiction has parallels with my D&D barbarian, if not likely outright influence. No schoolgirl crushes or magical wishing rings, but a character that mechanically has terrible social skills is often pressured into a supportive role. So the lady that doesn't quite know what's going on gets wise from the cool people surrounding her, serves as a tank of defensive power to protect those that can't really do so, and makes gestures of helping people that are generally hand-waved as a downtime activity. From there she gets some practical experience, several fights where she's a strong centerpiece of competence, and between the funny "dumb martial" jokes and girl talk about home-cooking, fashion, and how functional a battle-skirt really is, every once in a while you'll get a great character moment out of her. A nice example of support was when the doctor character in the party who, following a big narrative win, was still feeling guilty for some villain stuff he was involved in that he's still trying to address. She briefly steps in and lets him know that, "You're no fool, a fool doesn't learn from their mistakes. Did you know what would've happened? Now that you do, are you going to do it again? Are you trying to fix it? Then why would I hate my friend?" Really pull the guy up with a little bit of reflection, cement his place as part of the group in spite of his reservations, and give him a good send-off since his player had to take a hiatus in the near future. One for a personal scene was when she was a part of a slumber party with the party and lady NPCs, and fitting stereotype while playing Truth or Dare only picks Dare, eventually gets dared to answer a question honestly, and admits that she's trying to play into expectations to avoid derailing the fun they're having with her weirdness. How she's worried that after everything they've done to that point, the tribespeople culture was right and people only respect her for what she can do as a strong, scary, self-described stupid sexy warrior, since she can't communicate her different viewpoint convincingly well and things shortly devolve into combat. Drop a big reminder that for all the support and goofs, there's still an entire living person under that with thoughts and fears that people don't get to hear. Everyone had a big supportive hug over it and we went back to the fun of the scene, once again focusing more on everyone else now that the moment was over. TL;DR: Not every character needs to have an arc with earth-shattering consequences like The Hot Pocket of Destiny. Sometimes you just need to have one solid identity with a few relatable flaws to play around that gets people through the earth-shattering that's going on around them. Amy knows who she is, what she wants, and what she'll do to get or protect it; she doesn't need that changed because it would be a fundamental crisis for her character. Which, as volatile as her slapstick violence and childish impulses have been made out to be, she's probably more sane than most of the cast, and that's the sort of simple grounding that a plot's characters and complexity need to stand out amongst each other.
Amy is always the character that the writers seem to have no use for in most Sonic media, I really can't think of many examples for her except for Sonic Adventure and maybe Frontiers, but I haven't played that game in a while. Any corrections, feel free to tell me. Also how in the heck did she get a flying car? There better also be an Eggman video of these, because he is wonderful in the comic.
Already?! Sheesh. I mean, I ain’t complanin’! I’m just used to see these videos come out after a Month or Two. 1:21 😂😂😂😂😂 4:30 MA MAN!!!!! 14:20 From Hotty Acorn to Pink Hedgehog. I do dissagre that Amy has to be a Freedom fighter or a equal for Sonic to be important because you Can absolutely still make her important. I mean, her story in Sonic Adventure is about you Can be a hero without being super strong like Sonic, Tails & Knuckles (which is something they Will dismiss later on when they suddenly turned her to be a super-action character in the games.) The Archie version is trying to do it’s own thing with Amy and they do justify her strengh unlike the games and all, I’m just saying she doesn’t ABSOLUTELY need to take the route of her being on par with the rest of the Freedom Fighters to her being important in the context when she was just an un-important background character while we focused on everyone’s favirote character: Nate Man the Old Man. if What I’m saying makes any sense. Also, wow, it’s been a while since I read the comics, But they actually have Sonic & Amy get a more Healthier relationship in This Universe, unlike IDW & Frontiers where they’re all buddy-buddy for No reason and dismiss of how they used to interact.
Archie sonic: A HATER PURE THAT IS NOW PEPPINO'S ANTAGONIST FOREVER Archie Amy: A True Hero.....That loves the world......Justice is all it matters......and so this is why this video is true.....
I'm gonna be honest, I also see videos of people claiming that the archie variants of the sonic characters are the best versions. Now I'm not hating, I especially can't since I never read any of the comics, I'm just saying my thoughts, not hating, just wondering why lots of people claim they are the best versions of the characters.
People say that cuz of the depth into their character, you see, many characters in the game universe havent gotten “their moments” as much as the archie comics did…. HOWEVER, with how shadow got the spotlight in the year of shadow this year, and Ian Flynn (the guy who made archie as good as it became) writing the game canon idw comics AND current writer for games like frontiers and shadow generations, these versions have the potential to be the best, definive versions, all we need is to sega make the sonic ip a bit more mature, and they can let ian flynn COOK
Part of me wishes Archie continued the Sonic series. We could have seen their adaptation of Colors, Lost World, Force(for better or worse) and even Frontier.
Amy’s treatment in early Archie has always been my biggest gripe with the comic. Treating as a background character for the better part of a decade, using her to the bare minimum, even though she’s the main girl in games. Heck, I can even accept Amy not being a love interest to Sonic. Even if it made the times she appeared more I impactful,I just wanted her to be treated with respect. She may not have a huge rise when Ian Flynn took over, but the subtle growth kind of worked for me. I don’t need something like Turbo Tails or Chaos Knuckles, just Amy being the spunky, heartfelt, hammer happy girl she is, is awesome. The fact she still remains the same even after the reboot shows that. I wish we could have gotten the character arc Karl Bollers planned for her before he left. Even if you take out the love angle with Sonic it had, I would have loved to explore more of her history and potential.
what I find funny and fun is how archie amy goes from a minor background character who is at best used for jokes and rather than develop into sonic's love interest or anything, instead they do something more interesting with her: by leaning into her hammer skills and spunkiness from SA1 and Heroes, she becomes the BIG GUY, one of the members of the team meant to be a powerhouse who deals with the physically demanding foes, with the Iron King, a guy so strong sonic needed a magic fan to deal with, acting as the foe to introduce this new role for her. and of course this is her role. she's not fast like sonic, smart like tails, a strategist like sally. But what she can do? join up alongside Bunnie and Knuckles to just fucking smash an asshole in the face. this is so unique compared to how the games treat her and its so fun.
Wait, Ian Flynn wrote this?? Why isn’t modern Amy like this?? That’s so much more fun than what she is now. Make her friends with Tails! That’s amazing. the four in Frontiers need better relationships if Ian Flynn is trying to make Amy part of Team Sonic
i love modern fans finding out about archie, lol the problem is sega, not flynn. always has been. however i will say Amy being quiet and contemplative in frontiers is most likely specific to that game considering ALL of the characters are like that. not to mention amy has been consistently great in the IDW comics
@ I feel like Ian Flynn has to have more control than people say. Tails is a completely different character now than he was in Forces. So is pretty much everyone, because the writer changed and clearly has a big say in how the characters are portrayed, even if they have restrictions. We know Shadow has restrictions, but he’s mostly great in Generations. Maybe Amy just hasn’t had a chance. Flynn has only had one game, and like you said, it was more contemplative in general. But I don’t think it was working. Especially when you consider the only other thing Flynn has worked on game wise was toning her down in Generations. That definitely feels less on him as it was clearly more about moving away from the crush thing, which is fine (even if I like it). Next game though, Amy needs to prove herself. I would love to see this Amy as a core member of Team Sonic. I think that would be great. But modern Amy feels like a tacked on member that doesn’t really contribute to the core dynamic
@@DerrickWilson-fm7vc I think he's trying to make her like that (her IDW version isn't too far off of how she ended up in Archie imo), but it takes time, and can be difficult if every game needs to revolve around Sonic as a character. Tails and Amy have a good friendship based on supplementary media (IDW comics, Tailstube, TMOSTH), but since the comics aren't as long-running as Archie was and the games are still yet to come out of the "every character's main storyline has to be about how they relate to Sonic" trap, a lot of the characterisation hasn't had a chance to really establish itself.
Dude, once upon a time these vids were few (but great) and far between, now they're dropping like Drake vs Kendrick Lamar tracks (but still great!), did you eat too many chili dogs?
Thought you'd mention the alternate universe evil version of Amy who went insane and wanted to kill Sonic! But you didn't! You even showed her for a moment in the video, but no explanation? What gives?
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Man, that it a lot of videos for Archie characters... I like it.
What about Sonic the comic Amy Rose?
Great video! A few comments: 1) I do wish that, had the Archie sonic series continued, Amy gives up on sonic. This is taking cue from the British sonic comics where the team felt that amy more or less had a schoolgirl/pop singer fangirl crush on sonic. She grew up in that story. I see the archie Amy doing the same. She will be remembered as among the greatest heroes of her time, and more importantly, Amy can find her own true love (who is closer to her age both physically and mentally).
2) I like how you point out how amy encourages knuckles, dosn't doubt his goal in life. Rouge, the character who has a....complicated relationship with knuckles, DOES. Its not Rouge was intentionally downplaying Knuckles's commitment, I think she was genuinely, in her own way, worried about his task that makes him isolated, but the way she voiced it does not endear her to Knuckles. Whether or not they will end up as romantic dates, its moments like that that make me think "Perhaps they wouldn't or cant be romantic partners because they have too many differences." Thoughts?
3)Will you cover Sally Acorn? and if so, would you analysis the intended romance between her and Nicole, and how that differs from her and sonic?
Dude is straight up COOKING with these documentaries on PEAK Sonic characters. I respect it a lot.
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cant wait for the fabled Monkey Kahn video
Why Archie Monkey Kahn is the best Monkey Kahn
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Can’t wait for the ever integral Sleuth Doggy Dawg video.
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Both Lowart and Chaomix dropped an amy video within seconds of eachother! My girls getting love today
I think the best part of these videos is that, at the end of each one, I'm reminded why I love the characters and stories so much. These are probably my favourite analysis videos on the Sonic series at the moment, so thank you for making them!
I love that Flynn and company were able to elevate Amy to a main character without a massive retcon, and without trying to shpe-horn her into a role she doesn't really fit. I know it's been said before, but in Forces and the first couple IDW arcs, it feels like she's filling in for Sally, which does her a real disservice. Speaking of, I'm glad they never took the obvious route and made her and Sally rivals a la Betty and Veronica (ironic, being made by Archie), or that raising up one meant having to tear down the other- we get enough of that in the comments. Instead, Amy just gets to be a fun, cute, uplifting hero without any of the baggage that most of the other characters had.
The first couple IDW arcs? The whole IDW comics Amy has been filling in like Sally. Even after the part of Amy giving the leadership direction to Jewel, she still has those leadership traits and that generic personality of being the "girl" of the team. These characteristics fit Sally perfectly, but they look horrible on Amy, especially since SEGA forbade Amy from falling in love with Sonic again.
And don't tell me "but Amy is still in love with Sonic in the comics", of course she is, but now she doesn't run after Sonic or perform any comedy act when she's near him as she normally does, at no point in the games show us a moment where Amy stopped doing that, without mentioning that said characteristic made her character unique. It's as if you said that removing Rouge's obsession with jewels or removing the Chaotix's obsession with money out of nowhere is "character development" when it isn't, you're just removing the characteristic that made your characters charmy and on top of that, you don't show any explanation of how they changed their personality, as if it was a sassy retcon.
Don't come at me with that "character development" in the games, she never had it, they always showed her as a character obsessed with Sonic. "What about Forces?" Bro literally all the characters had a personality outside of character, just look at Tails and Sonic in that game "Heroes showed that Amy is a great leader" If we follow that logic, then Sonic also has the ability to be a leader of an entire resistance, just like Rouge and Vector. Exactly, it doesn't make sense, Amy was only the ringleader of her group of friends who were a six year old rabbit and Big being Big, are you really going to tell me that's why she has the ability to be the leader of an entire restoration just like that? Not to mention that SEGA completely abandoned team Rose and everyone considers that Heroes had one of the worst Amy...
@@criticalbuddy524To be fair, that stuff was Amy’s in the first place. She still tells people off like she did in the 2000s and 2010s.
Amy was not originally just a joke and her relationship with Sonic was intended to be taken seriously in the very beginning.
@@kendraroth1276 "her relationship with sonic was supossed to be taken seriously at the beggining"
Nah I've just read this and I knew the reply wasn't worth it, but I'm doing it anyways. Amy was supposed to be like a pink Sonic, who would carry her hammer to chase Sonic because she was madly in love with him, and Sonic would run away trying to avoid her. That dynamic was always like that, look at Adventure, Advance 3, Rush, Battle, Heroes, are you really going to tell me that something serious was planned? Where did you get that information from? If you ask any Sonictuber about that, everyone will agree that the romantic relationship was always intended to be comedic. "She still tells people off like 2000s" if you mean her leadership characteristics, I've already explained that, tell me other game apart of Heroes where she showed those.
@ “Amy was supposed to be chasing Sonic around with her hammer”? Are you sure about that?
She didn’t get that hammer until several years after she debuted and was introduced as Sonic’s official girlfriend. Fighters was the very first time Amy had a hammer and she doesn’t use it anymore than anyone else does. Then it would later transfer to future versions of her character.
In CD Amy was canonized and was based on her original Manga self, but without dating Sonic. She was just a damsel in distress and later, she spent the rest of the Classic era, maturing and growing out of her Fangirl crush.
Then in the Adventure series, She has her first arc where she grows independent from Sonic. She used to be a little Shy about her crush, she dreamed about being with him but not saying anything out loud.
By Adventure 2, she became more open her crush but only references it when Sonic wanted to know about her encounter with Shadow.
However years later starting from Sonic X and Heroes, She became more crazy about her crush due to sexism and Sega listening to the fandom. But She only used her hammer a couple times, most of which he did something to make her angry.
Thanks to society slowly becoming less sexist, she hadn’t done it all in the 2010s and in the Boom series and Lost World. she is treated more seriously.
Even during Sonic X, there was an implied get together, with them even playing a love song.
As for telling people off, I was referring to her calling Wave out in IDW and Her behavior in the Boom series and Prime.
I mean, she has those three beautiful arches of hair, so she's the best by default
I will say even though the soft reboot abruptly ended her character progression, like ALL the other plotlines and story arcs, I’m really glad you pointed out how even post Super Genesis Wave she retained much of why her Archie counterpart was special especially compared to the others.
Sonic and Sally for instance lost much of their nuance but Amy felt like she made a natural transition into things. I like the soft reboot era but man… so much of what they were building up to completely lost 😭😢
the reboot has some fun things in it. Breezie, honey, the fish people, the egg bosses. But its hard to appreciate it in the face of what we lost...
The reboot was the best thing in my opinion.
This dissertation level of analysis of this series has been one of my favorite things to watch. Its funny because im not even a big sonic fan but i've become so invested in watching these videos you're making a fan out of me by the month!
Well welcome! Guys like Lowart helping me analyze the franchise is part of what really got me into it too a few years ago. I’ve been hooked on his videos since the first one 😊
I used to love collecting the Archie Sonic comics as a kid back in the 90s and 2000s and Archie Amy is technically a princess if I remember correctly.
Amy’s cousin Rob O hedge is a prince. She’s not royalty herself but is related to it
She's related to the royal family of Mercia although she wouldn't be considered a princess as she doesn't meet any of the requirements per the accepted definition. She's not the daughter of the king, married to a prince, or the ruler of a subject state. That said, she's definitely hedgehog nobility and is technically a higher social class than Sonic is.
I personally adore Amy and Sally’s friendship and how it developed over the comic’s run. Legitimately one of my favorite duos in the comic's history.
Two videos in the span of a few days? I’m impressed, i always love to see Archie appreciation, I hope to see more about the freedom fighter characters in the future
I appreciate all the sonic content u provide ! this has made my past couple work weeks an ease to get by listening to everything on your channel about Archie Sonic
8:19 you know I never thought I’d see Amy talk to Shadow like that. I know that he needed to hear it and Amy is the one who keeps him in check
I hope future sonic media gets deeper like archie did in its golden ages
Something I loved about the Archie comics is that each of the characters felt important. A lot of these great stories came out when the side characters were shoved into games with little reasoning, or if there WAS reason, they'd be reduced to base character traits and little else (poor poor Knuckles).
But in the comics they grew into different people alongside Sonic and contributed significantly to the war effort. It felt like things didn't always just have to come down to Sonic and maybe one other important character of the arc. And even then, outside of direct confrontations with Eggman, Sonic wasn't as much of the "trump card" as you'd think he would be. He'd be the one to finish things usually, but not the one putting in the most effort all the time.
Great to see you finally talk about some reboot material.
Treasure Team Tango is a top 5 Archie storyline
I haven't read the reboot yet; I'm not ready to face the end of a story I love and start a new one. But you've given me hope that there are things to look forward to. Thank you.
I love how the fandom thinks the archie versions are the best
They are by the way and I'm subscribing
2 videos in one week? Youve spoiled us lol. Archie Amy has always been fun. I especially love when she was made a proper freedom fighter. It was very endearing to see how far she came. You cook as always 🙏
I was gonna make a comment about her Sonic the Comic version and recommend the Johnny Vector video, and I still recommend that video
But the bit around halfway in the video made me feel on the verge of tearing up, and reminded me of why I love her. She'll believe in others even when they don't believe in themselves
On her relationship with Sonic. Karl Bollers did actually want to have Sonic and Amy be a couple. Just a little trivia note.
I think with Amy, in relation to the reboot, the phrase "the more things change, the more they stay the same" applies.
so glad that didn't happen
not the biggest sonic x amy fan here, plus I'm more invested in sonic and sally as a couple do their greater history and being around the same age and their flynn era rapport
in the context of the archie comics, I'm pretty glad that this didn't happen. If she can be just as fun and not wanting to be the main focus of sonic's life as she was in the comics, but without the weird implication of her mental age and such, I think it could be potentially a fun dynamic.
Archie just has the best characters man
I'm loving this series. Brings back all the memories and you do an amazing job as always.
since we've gotten the major game characters done (Unless I'm forgetting soemthing), I'm guessing we're either moving onto the other freedom fighters next, or Eggman.
not gonna lie, i think archie Eggman is the best eggman. I love the mix of comical and menacing with him, how we'll go issues not really talking about his history only to just casually bring it up as a reminder this goofy guy is an absolute monster noone can trust and who WILL make your life hell if he feels like it.
In my view, she is THE most relatable character so far
I love these videos, because they show me a version of these characters that I've never seen before.
I never read the comics and I wouldn't even know where to start or if I have the patience to read them...
Ten bucks says Archie Eggman is next
Two Lowart in less then a week? LET'S MOTHER TRUNKING GO!!!!!!!!!
I was gonna say that
Shoutout to fleetway amy
what do you like about her? i haven't read the fleetway comics and haven't seen many people talk about her so i'm interested in your thoughts :)
@@haha_hollieprobably cause she gets more consistent growth and doesn't take Sonic's shit. Personally my favorite is is IDW!Amy
@@haha_hollie she's WILDLY different. hell in fleetway her primary weapon is a crossbow, and she was made to be more tomboyish comapred to games and archie amy.
@@whateverwhatever4476 Fleetway Amy is garbage. She has no character growth or character development. Fleetway Amy is a 1 Dimensional Plot device.
@@haha_hollie Fleetway Amy is a garbage plot device. Archie Amy is far superior in every single way.
11:45 Technically Sonic wasn't about to give up, it was just a fake-out. Sonic never gives up after all.
Flynn has many strengths, but this time he just wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
I think it was as low as Sonic was going to get. Doesn’t take away from the moment, tho. He just needed a kick in the pants.
I don't know if I would believe Sonic's own words in this moment. The way I understand this moment is more like Sonic's trying to hide that he was going to give up by playing it off like he was just faking it. Especially with how he's locked the door and depressed in his own room, it makes the possibility of giving up closer than Sonic himself admits.
The Fuck? Mate, ain't no one ordering that many plates, you can rest lmao, but thanks anyway, another full meal for us
Archie does every character well
Blaze would like a word
Not Sonic though.
Every Lowart video is a banger . Keep it up!
Amy Rose is cute and funny confirmed?
Hot damn, two Lowart videos in one week? We’re eating good today boys
So fast with the uploads! Way past cool!! Looking forward to the next video
Dude churning these out one after another and im here for it, good shit.
You somehow managed for the first time to make me interested in something from the reboot, that's an accomplishment.
Now I really wonder what Blaze will be up to in her video. I really wonder what would have happened had Ken Penders made stories with her, can you imagine what that would have looked like?
i doubt penders would have done anything with her honestly
@@sarafontanini7051 With opportunities for shakespearian royal drama, intensive multigenerational family and lineage drama with supernatural elements without having to bother with Sonic on a different world that'd be a clean slate to make all his own, you bet he'd do something with her.
Thank you Lowart I love this so much! I always enjoyed these comics and having these breakdowns are amazing!
*Two Amy videos in one day (other being Chaomix), plus two lowart Archie stuff in a week!?* We eating good 👍
“Hey Cory, Amy here”
Oh... well you can stay
10:54 - OK. That's fucking beautiful. This is the kind of thing I'd want to see in Superman.
BACK TO BACK LECTURES FROM PROFESSOR LOWART???? WE'RE JUICING AND JAMMING GOOD TODAY STUDENTS!!!
0:11 CUNNY UOHHHHHHHHH 😭
Thanks, i needed this bit considering my mental decline
I didn’t know Archie Amy was there and the Archie comics are strong
2 LOWART SONIC VIDEO ESSAYS IN ONE WEEK????? BLESS
Archie Sonic characters are just goated
It's a shame IDW's run while visually appealing lacks Archie's storytelling both highs & lows.
Archie Amy is definitely the best Amy.
it hasnt even been a day and theres already another one, i just know this will be fire🗣🗣🗣🗣
Dang you work fast it's only been a day
tails was waiting to be uploaded for a LOOONG time lol
I can't get the image out of my head on genesis of a hero part 3 when Amy climbs one of the ''mountains'' just to talk to sonic before sonic CD starts.
I just realized that Archie Sonic’s relationship with the game characters were really coming together but only when the series ended
It's nice to see Archie love for once.
Amy is a great example of a character that shines *as* the spotlight. The majority of time she's playing support, be it helping in the fight or offering an ear with no judgement, she does things that make the other characters look amazing. We don't need to follow every aspect of her life because generally, and not as an insult, it's not as narratively interesting or exciting as the rest of the stories going on. This is also why focusing on how she intersects all of the other character's stories makes the final focus on herself with Sonic's parents work so well, the details are small enough that you can get them from the other scenes. Once you have them, those strong scenes are then turned back to focus on Amy, distilling her efforts at the moment the audience is reminded that she has depth that often goes unspoken.
At the same time, because her storyline is relatively mellow, you don't usually need that much build-up to give her a satisfying moment. Characters like Sonic that are always in the spotlight need to have intense moments with the entire plot and several characters supporting the act to make his character shine brighter than it already is. In contrast, since Amy is already hiding outside of the story's focus as a support role, you can have her become the focus as an unironic girlboss for one fight, or give her a scene to show off her internal dialogue, and it'll be plenty satisfying. Plus, it allows for further contrast when she *is* given the support for a big payoff of her own, an already strong character getting their big win.
As an aside, this depiction has parallels with my D&D barbarian, if not likely outright influence. No schoolgirl crushes or magical wishing rings, but a character that mechanically has terrible social skills is often pressured into a supportive role. So the lady that doesn't quite know what's going on gets wise from the cool people surrounding her, serves as a tank of defensive power to protect those that can't really do so, and makes gestures of helping people that are generally hand-waved as a downtime activity. From there she gets some practical experience, several fights where she's a strong centerpiece of competence, and between the funny "dumb martial" jokes and girl talk about home-cooking, fashion, and how functional a battle-skirt really is, every once in a while you'll get a great character moment out of her.
A nice example of support was when the doctor character in the party who, following a big narrative win, was still feeling guilty for some villain stuff he was involved in that he's still trying to address. She briefly steps in and lets him know that, "You're no fool, a fool doesn't learn from their mistakes. Did you know what would've happened? Now that you do, are you going to do it again? Are you trying to fix it? Then why would I hate my friend?" Really pull the guy up with a little bit of reflection, cement his place as part of the group in spite of his reservations, and give him a good send-off since his player had to take a hiatus in the near future.
One for a personal scene was when she was a part of a slumber party with the party and lady NPCs, and fitting stereotype while playing Truth or Dare only picks Dare, eventually gets dared to answer a question honestly, and admits that she's trying to play into expectations to avoid derailing the fun they're having with her weirdness. How she's worried that after everything they've done to that point, the tribespeople culture was right and people only respect her for what she can do as a strong, scary, self-described stupid sexy warrior, since she can't communicate her different viewpoint convincingly well and things shortly devolve into combat. Drop a big reminder that for all the support and goofs, there's still an entire living person under that with thoughts and fears that people don't get to hear. Everyone had a big supportive hug over it and we went back to the fun of the scene, once again focusing more on everyone else now that the moment was over.
TL;DR: Not every character needs to have an arc with earth-shattering consequences like The Hot Pocket of Destiny. Sometimes you just need to have one solid identity with a few relatable flaws to play around that gets people through the earth-shattering that's going on around them. Amy knows who she is, what she wants, and what she'll do to get or protect it; she doesn't need that changed because it would be a fundamental crisis for her character. Which, as volatile as her slapstick violence and childish impulses have been made out to be, she's probably more sane than most of the cast, and that's the sort of simple grounding that a plot's characters and complexity need to stand out amongst each other.
Two videos back to back. Damn, we are eating good
Amy is always the character that the writers seem to have no use for in most Sonic media, I really can't think of many examples for her except for Sonic Adventure and maybe Frontiers, but I haven't played that game in a while. Any corrections, feel free to tell me.
Also how in the heck did she get a flying car?
There better also be an Eggman video of these, because he is wonderful in the comic.
Two in a row? Awesome.
BRO DROPPED AGAIN 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
3 in a row is crazy
3? Are you counting Silver?
Already?! Sheesh. I mean, I ain’t complanin’! I’m just used to see these videos come out after a Month or Two.
1:21 😂😂😂😂😂
4:30 MA MAN!!!!!
14:20 From Hotty Acorn to Pink Hedgehog.
I do dissagre that Amy has to be a Freedom fighter or a equal for Sonic to be important because you Can absolutely still make her important.
I mean, her story in Sonic Adventure is about you Can be a hero without being super strong like Sonic, Tails & Knuckles (which is something they Will dismiss later on when they suddenly turned her to be a super-action character in the games.)
The Archie version is trying to do it’s own thing with Amy and they do justify her strengh unlike the games and all, I’m just saying she doesn’t ABSOLUTELY need to take the route of her being on par with the rest of the Freedom Fighters to her being important in the context when she was just an un-important background character while we focused on everyone’s favirote character: Nate Man the Old Man. if What I’m saying makes any sense.
Also, wow, it’s been a while since I read the comics, But they actually have Sonic & Amy get a more Healthier relationship in This Universe, unlike IDW & Frontiers where they’re all buddy-buddy for No reason and dismiss of how they used to interact.
i just finished the tails one and i had a gut feeling amy was coming next
Some amy love is much appreciated
Me: Watches the Tails video thinking I’ll have to wait three weeks late
1 Day later
Me: Ohhhhhhhhhhh Baby!
Archie sonic: A HATER PURE THAT IS NOW PEPPINO'S ANTAGONIST FOREVER
Archie Amy: A True Hero.....That loves the world......Justice is all it matters......and so this is why this video is true.....
I should check out the Sonic Archie comics, they sound so good.
12:20 "....woops there goes gravity."
*Damn this guy is quick*
I'm gonna be honest, I also see videos of people claiming that the archie variants of the sonic characters are the best versions. Now I'm not hating, I especially can't since I never read any of the comics, I'm just saying my thoughts, not hating, just wondering why lots of people claim they are the best versions of the characters.
watch the videos and find out :)
People say that cuz of the depth into their character, you see, many characters in the game universe havent gotten “their moments” as much as the archie comics did….
HOWEVER, with how shadow got the spotlight in the year of shadow this year, and Ian Flynn (the guy who made archie as good as it became) writing the game canon idw comics AND current writer for games like frontiers and shadow generations, these versions have the potential to be the best, definive versions, all we need is to sega make the sonic ip a bit more mature, and they can let ian flynn COOK
Part of me wishes Archie continued the Sonic series.
We could have seen their adaptation of Colors, Lost World, Force(for better or worse) and even Frontier.
Another day Another Archie Sonic deep dive massive W
The Archie Tails video just dropped a break man
I think this guy likes Archie sonic
Amy’s treatment in early Archie has always been my biggest gripe with the comic. Treating as a background character for the better part of a decade, using her to the bare minimum, even though she’s the main girl in games. Heck, I can even accept Amy not being a love interest to Sonic. Even if it made the times she appeared more I impactful,I just wanted her to be treated with respect. She may not have a huge rise when Ian Flynn took over, but the subtle growth kind of worked for me. I don’t need something like Turbo Tails or Chaos Knuckles, just Amy being the spunky, heartfelt, hammer happy girl she is, is awesome. The fact she still remains the same even after the reboot shows that.
I wish we could have gotten the character arc Karl Bollers planned for her before he left. Even if you take out the love angle with Sonic it had, I would have loved to explore more of her history and potential.
The problem with her in early Archie is that she was redundant. Sally was the main female and love interest so where did that leave Amy?
@ The thing is with Archie is that diverted so far from game lore, they could have done just about anything with her.
Damn, that was fast
WAIT A DAMN MINUTE THIS A NEW VIDEO ?!?!?!
HOW ARE YOU SO FAST?!
Delayed Lowvember incoming?!
I hope you do archie freedom fighters next.
holy shit lets go another vide3o?!?!?!?!
So are you going to do team chaotix next or team dark?
Hey Lowart are you ever gonna do videos on the IDW versions of these characters??
Amy was always my favorite girl from the sonic series.
Amy saying future sweetheart is giving me chris chan vibes ☠️
You know what you need to do? You need to cover the rest of Archie sonic.
what I find funny and fun is how archie amy goes from a minor background character who is at best used for jokes and rather than develop into sonic's love interest or anything, instead they do something more interesting with her: by leaning into her hammer skills and spunkiness from SA1 and Heroes, she becomes the BIG GUY, one of the members of the team meant to be a powerhouse who deals with the physically demanding foes, with the Iron King, a guy so strong sonic needed a magic fan to deal with, acting as the foe to introduce this new role for her.
and of course this is her role. she's not fast like sonic, smart like tails, a strategist like sally. But what she can do? join up alongside Bunnie and Knuckles to just fucking smash an asshole in the face.
this is so unique compared to how the games treat her and its so fun.
Can you make a compilation of all the videos once you're done with it
Another already?
Don’t forget that her cousin is basically Robin Hood
The idea of an 8 years old losing years of her life just because of a guy, or a team is really creepy
the magic thing was her own fault, noone told her to do that and even sonic was like "yeaaahhh no, none of that."
@sarafontanini7051 Still is really creepy
Wait, Ian Flynn wrote this??
Why isn’t modern Amy like this?? That’s so much more fun than what she is now. Make her friends with Tails! That’s amazing. the four in Frontiers need better relationships if Ian Flynn is trying to make Amy part of Team Sonic
i love modern fans finding out about archie, lol
the problem is sega, not flynn. always has been. however i will say Amy being quiet and contemplative in frontiers is most likely specific to that game considering ALL of the characters are like that. not to mention amy has been consistently great in the IDW comics
@ I feel like Ian Flynn has to have more control than people say. Tails is a completely different character now than he was in Forces. So is pretty much everyone, because the writer changed and clearly has a big say in how the characters are portrayed, even if they have restrictions. We know Shadow has restrictions, but he’s mostly great in Generations.
Maybe Amy just hasn’t had a chance. Flynn has only had one game, and like you said, it was more contemplative in general. But I don’t think it was working. Especially when you consider the only other thing Flynn has worked on game wise was toning her down in Generations. That definitely feels less on him as it was clearly more about moving away from the crush thing, which is fine (even if I like it).
Next game though, Amy needs to prove herself. I would love to see this Amy as a core member of Team Sonic. I think that would be great. But modern Amy feels like a tacked on member that doesn’t really contribute to the core dynamic
@@DerrickWilson-fm7vc I think he's trying to make her like that (her IDW version isn't too far off of how she ended up in Archie imo), but it takes time, and can be difficult if every game needs to revolve around Sonic as a character. Tails and Amy have a good friendship based on supplementary media (IDW comics, Tailstube, TMOSTH), but since the comics aren't as long-running as Archie was and the games are still yet to come out of the "every character's main storyline has to be about how they relate to Sonic" trap, a lot of the characterisation hasn't had a chance to really establish itself.
I love it!!!! Also Frontier Amy is awesome too!!!
1:21 Funniest Part of This Video.
Me waiting for why Archie Robotnik/Eggman is the best Robotnik/Eggman
Dude, once upon a time these vids were few (but great) and far between, now they're dropping like Drake vs Kendrick Lamar tracks (but still great!), did you eat too many chili dogs?
Thought you'd mention the alternate universe evil version of Amy who went insane and wanted to kill Sonic! But you didn't! You even showed her for a moment in the video, but no explanation? What gives?
wouldn't work with the narrative of the video as she's a different character
@@haha_hollie I just meant as a quick footnote or something, but yeah I guess