The MOST TOXIC Poker Mindset
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- In this video, I will tell you the mindset flaw that is holding back thousands of small stakes players. If you fix this, you will find yourself playing your “A” game more often and always focusing on the things you can control.
Too many players think that they are ENTITLED to win. They say things like "I should've won that pot" or "how did I lose there" without realizing that you WILL lose sometimes. That is why it is crucial that you keep a proper bankroll so the losses do not affect you financially.
Whether you're facing tilt issues or focus issues, the mental game is extremely important to being a successful poker player.
Poker Mindset Tip #1 - Entitlement is the Enemy
Poker Mindset Tip #2 - Understand Variance
Poker Mindset Tip #3 - Keep a Proper Bankroll
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#pokerstrategy #pokermindset #jonathanlittle
Jonathan Little is officially the poker community's dad.
Honor your father.
Yeah, he’s that dad who can’t tell the difference between you acting entitled and you expressing pain. Very average dad.
@@stt5v2002he’s the Dad that you never wanted, but the dad that you always needed 🎉
😂
If Negreanu is kid poker, would that make Little dad poker?
Losing only bothers me when it happens because of my own personal mistakes. If I lose because I got sucked out on, then oh well....I get it. But making mistakes bothers me. 😕
The thing is, running bad is a lot more than just getting sucked out on. It's never hitting a draw, it's never hitting the flop, or occasionally hitting second pair, and then navigating the hand from there, getting dealt coolers, etc. When that stuff happens is a lot less black and white whether you made the right play or not. I try to think about obvious missteps that I made in those spots, but most of it just comes down to getting dealt horrendous cards.
Excellent point of view. I do my best to keep this mindset in both poker and chess. I'm an experienced and knowledgeable poker player, but sometimes variance happens and sometimes it's my fault. Chess, though, is brutally honest. The whole game, the question and the answer, are right there on the board in front of me. If I win, it's because I played better than my opponent and made fewer mistakes. No luck involved at all. If I lose, it's because I played worse and I blew it. Excellent points to keep in mind in poker, chess, and life in general.
Same but yeah also Everyone will complain when you flop the nuts with super nut redraw and get runner runner .1%'d (this just happened to me)
@@johannessmithensteinExactly what I struggle with. When I'm 3 buy ins down and didn't even go to showdown once because I face big barrels with marginal hands all the time or combo draws with not so good pot odds but the implied odds are just still there.. Or when I flop a nut flash and bet small because opponent is capped as fuck only to see runner runner paired board and they somehow boat up.. It frustrates me so much to see donkeys playing 90% of hands out of position, 3,4 bet pots with 7,8 offsuit and still wrecking me when I dont even consider that in their range in these situations.
@@fildakillda That hurts i know, happened to me yesterday actually 😂 But deep down you gotta be happy those players exist because they are the ones keeping the game alive.
I actually worked with Elliot Roe, and his words stuck with me: if you going out of the tournament on a bad beat is good! That means you actually using your skills. I highly recommend for people who can afford at least one or two sessions with him to do it!
ive been playing a lot more recently and was getting down on myself that i wasnt doing well, Last week i went in with the mindset to play well, no intentions on winning and just practice and have fun, I ended up winning that night. That mind set really helped me play better and being okay with bad beats
I have 3 big tournament cashes (129k, starting in January) and in every single one of them I went in with this specific mindset. Don't worry about getting a huge stack, don't get impatient or greedy, just play my best and try not to bust. Really I just wanted to make a day 2 (it was the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th time I ever made a day 2 that I got these big cashes). Once I made day 2, it was "It'd be nice to make it to 20th/whatever place I need to break even (I do multiple bullets). Then, I'd be nice to make the final table. Then, it'd be nice to make 6th for new personal best, and then boom I've got a trophy I never expected.
My poker philosophy always keeps me smiling at the tables;”No such thing as a “bad beat” unless you are 100% to win that hand, and somehow you still manage to lose it.”
Entitlement, thy name is Rampage.
ur a hater
I play smaller tournaments every week, and go a month or 2 without cashing, and i've had good weeks where i'll cash 3 or 4 times. I don't expect to win every week. It's a lot of fun though. Win or lose, I leave with a smile.
Need to send this vid to so many dudes at my poker room.
Dont train the fish
Same! Lol
I know right 😂
No no no. Never convince a fish that he is a fish, he will either quit (booo) or get better. Who wants that?
I was thinking the same thing. The hot heads at the table all speak the same language; “ I should have won that hand!”
The past 2 sessions I was told “you never get mad , always chill” losing big pots etc. It’s a nice thing to hear. I don’t do the bad beat stories or complain like I did 25 years ago haha.
Honestly, I never get tilted. I've seen way too many dirty run-outs. My philosophy is that it's never over until the river, and I can deal with that.
I have made 2 final tables in 2 weeks with 1500+ players. Finished 3rd, and last night finished 4th, started as chip leader 25BB. Sometimes the deck just runs COLD when you need it the most!
I almost scrolled past this video because I don't think I'm "entitled" but I found the message extremely helpful for my mental game, humbling and eye-opening.
I've always felt like these talks on the mental aspect of the game is SO underappreciated! Thanks for the great content as always and keep up the good work!
Your realest video yet. “You will at some point in your poker career, run far worse than you ever thought possible” I really felt that lol I came out of a 2 month bad run, the worst I’ve experienced after playing in 6 years. Anyway, I hope not to experience it for that long or longer again. It suckeddddd 😂
I really needed to hear this! Thank you Jonathan!
~~~ Thanks Coach. Your timing was spot on here. I made it to a multi-day tournament 3rd in chips on Day 2. Thought it was FINALLY going to be my day. LOL === 57th out of 101. Back to work.
Excellent video, thank you again for sharing your knowledge and speaking the truth.
I remember I took a bad beat with a smile on my face saying "that's poker" when people were like damn, tough break. Someone was like "Wow you must've had a great childhood or a horrible childhood." All you can hope is that you get it in good, beyond that it's in the poker gods' hands
Do it for a week straight
@@markupton1417 I have. If you're not bothered by chance and only focused on making the best decision, doesn't really matter how long the bad luck goes.
So which was it?
This is my favorite video thus far. You have an excellent outlook on life and that is why I enjoy all of your content.
Thanks for being honest and straightforward.
My pleasure! So glad you enjoyed it
The toughest thing about a downswing is the inner battle / struggle of whether it’s all just variance or if there’s something wrong with how I’m playing
Hard agree.
You are the best!!! Mindest is one of the topics i struggle the most. Thx a lot!!
You're welcome, Daniel!
Wow, this helped a lot.. In a 6 month down swing and was starting to feel sorry for myself but this reminded me that it doesn’t matter how well I play, I don’t deserve the win. Thank you!🙏🏽
Glad it helped!
I just listened to the first minute, and I LOVE IT!!! That's what I was thinking when I saw the video's title. Inevitably, they flip out on the donkeys who serve them up a "cooler." Don't bite the hand that feeds you!!
I'm glad you found it useful!
Been on a bad run for 30 years, only a matter of time before the run good hits!
I never flip out on anyone. I don’t even show that I’m upset. But I play less because of losing too many AA and KK preflop to JJ and AK. I know it’s a fish mindset. I’m up a few thousands this month playing a lot of live tourneys. But those wins come from them folding to me. As soon as it’s a showdown I just can’t win in big pots. Sounds stupid and I know I’m on constant tilt without showing it. I wish I knew how to stop being so negative.
It's natural to feel frustrated after getting beat at any game. It doesn't matter if money is involved or not.
I once lost with Aces 11 times in a row (about 6 of those heads up).
Very next month, I ran very hot, won two 50 entry tournaments in a row and finished 2nd the next time.
I've not complained about a bad beat since!
I have lost with Aces 10 times in a row (all heads up)....The equivalent of winning the lottery. I have never won the lottery and know about 100 people that have played every week for 30 years and they have never won either.
I once lost with aces 37 times in a row.....but that's poker.........right?
Liked video within the first minute. Preach Johnathan, a concept I def need to learn
Glad you found value in it!
I think there is no other pocket pair i lost more all ins with, than with AA.
I know it is a preflop fold but my hand automaticly goes to click „raise all-in“ 😂😂
But one time i played like 76suited in the small blind vs 2 other players and a 3Bet from the button. And ended up winning a 300BB pot, because i hit the straight at the turn, vs Top Pair and KK.
Math can be cruel. 😁
This is 100% my biggest mental hurdle.
I needed this, thanks
You're welcome!
Very helpful, before my 7th WSOP shot at it.
Excellent points thank you! It's hard spending 10 plus hours on a tournament and then min cash or don't cash but in WSOP out here we had 300 plus in almost every mtt. And some of the best players in the world of course.
You can do all the right things and still lose, that is not failure. That is life.
You can also make terrible mistakes and still win or come out okay, no one ever complains about that
Captain Picards advice to Lt. Data
@@mattgoodwin953 I once miss clicked all in a live tourney, had Q3 O, villain had AA, i flopped 2 Queens... and he busted out of the tourney... so yeah. mistakes can pay off also... but more often then not, you're gonna lose with my hand XD
I think a lot of us recognize bad variance but attribute good variance to skill. This past weekend I experienced extremely good variance when I got to a final table with almost no chips, was all-in a dozen times, and survived them all. It was ridiculous. I “should” have been out 10th. I ended up finishing 3rd. If you recognize it goes both ways, the downswings are much easier.
"It doesn't matter if you win or lose until you lose." C. Brown
I have entitlement mindset. I don’t understand how my AA lose way more than 20% preflop but when I have 20% I don’t suck out. At this point I play less hours because it does bother me and idk how to not be bothered.
What makes up this reality is all possibility and probability folded into existence by perception
And the trick is - always be learning. Winning? Why, and how to reproduce. Losing? Why, and how to fix. Make sure to account for card variability.
Entitlement is the reason I much prefer cash over tournaments. In cash if you consistently make the right plays your equity will be realized over the long term.
Tournaments have spots where your equity can never truly be realized because every spot is different due to ICM considerations.
Great advice! ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Im currently going through the "bad run of all bad runs"
I needed to hear this.
I hope it helps you 👊
Thank you! I will make sure all the hot heads I know watch this video. Hot heads are their own worst enemy! They all speak the same language; “ I should have won that hand!”
Funny, I remember JL calling Andy Frankenberger a clown for “playing bad and getting lucky vs him”. I’m glad he has learned to manage that sense of entitlement since that time
Great video John
Glad you enjoyed it!
lately I've been running hot and made around 9,000% on my bankroll and I wanted to know how many buy ins do I need in cash game and large fields tournaments ?
In theory it’s all fine. In practice certain things tend to bother me. The repetition on a short period of time of some specific unavoidable situations. 3 tournaments 2 different sites, across 4 hours, 6 times KK lost 3 times against AA, once against AKo and twice against AJo. Twice on the bubble. After this spitfire run, I have to silently scream and softly violently bang my desk and curse with nice words all the gods and people. The sharkscope and huds made it worse since I can see that every single time I lost against loosing fishes. Still picking myself up, study a little more and move on hoping one day the starts will align for me as they align forever these losing fishes :)
Jonathan, out of curiosity - what do you think is the future of online poker? with the drastic increase in AI and processing, people can just set up cameras that scan their screens and tell the player what to do - without poker rooms being able to track that behaviour.
Almost everyone knows what variance is. They also know that life and poker aren’t fair. They’re just expressing their pain. you play for hundreds of hours waiting for a perfect opportunity like a tournament final table or a gigantic pot.. You spend time preparing, you spend time studying, you spend time developing discipline, you make a lot of good decisions. And finally, you get things 95% in your favor only to have a low probability event snatch it all away. It hurts. It is distressing. For the most part people are just expressing their pain at this reality. I mean really, if you had a child and then he got run over and died, you might find yourself asking why this happened We’re thinking it should not have happened. And then here comes some poker player to lecture you about variance and the randomness of people getting run over. do you know what the strangest thing about poker is? It’s the fact that you simultaneously want horrible things to happen to your opponents and you also have a sense of camaraderie because the same things happen to you sooner or later. Do you want to see their crushed,and if you’re not as sociopath, you can empathize with the fact that their dreams are getting crushed. It’s a weird situation.
I went all in in a cash game last night with AQs from the SB, about 100bb, the big blind called me with 74off suit, he paired the 7 and I was out.. Why the hell would you call all in with that hand?
This video hits me right on the head. I'm a very entitled player .
Once you know, you can work on it. Some people never realize
Luckily you're not a narcissist so you can change this mentality.
I've lost with aces 3 times in a row in one session all in pre flop every time. Shit happens. Figured that out at 21 years old😎
Johnny on the spot lol I was just thinking this morning ok I’ve not done as well as I’d like to recently in live mtts. Then ran the numbers over the past 8 months n have a 17% itm and have over 300% roi playing part time….. I’m gonna go look in the mirror and slap myself now
the big part of all of it this is figuring out what you are in control of and knowing the difference
I play live poker now but I think playing microstakes for hundreds of thousands of hands online prepared me for this, where bad beats don't bother me at all now.
I remember getting that day where I ran worse than I thought possible. In a 1-2 hour period, I got AA vs an under pair allin preflop 3 times and all 3 times, they hit a set and won.
Then right after that I see a flop with JJ and flop a set, and we get it allin on the flop and villain has AA and hits an A on the river. Not only did it feel like that hand was going to balance the scales a bit, it was yanked out from under me lol. There were tons of other bad beats during that session. I lost like 700-1000bb before I decided to quit the session, but I continued to run bad for several days.
Tons of crazy hands at NL $10 prepared me for bad beats at 2/5 live.
Bad beats never bothered me and I have 10-12bb win rate at small stakes live poker but for 1000 hours I’ve been running like total shit and it messed up my mindset. I think I broke even for 1000 hrs. Maybe playing a lot online can fix it. Btw my winrate didn’t even suffer much 😂 just my soul.
Thanks Jonathan...
You're welcome, Richard!
u will be immune to all the bad negative toxic feelings what jon is experiencing right now arrita
Ok, so I can get to final table sometimes, and most times top 50 in online tournaments of 800 - 2000 players.
Here's where I struggle. After a certain point; the game is no longer poker. It starts to become 'All in and pray' fest for 9/10 hands. The 1/10 hands, you best hope you win, and you best hope they put enough chips in to cover you for a bit.
Starting Stack x 5 gets you to top 100 if you play no other hands.
Stack x 5 plus winning a few all ins gets you closer to final table (usually top 20 anyway if you have 7-10x starting stack size or larger).
However, the game becomes 'be patient, pray when you get a good hand'.
Aces and whatnot become borderline useless because you 100% need to all in to push out crap hands that'll donk, but it also makes or kills your final push to top 20.
In the final 200-400 players of a tournament; there is no poker being played except by top stacks, and sometimes between small stacks. You will never have a small stack play against a large stack, or large stack against a small stack. They just go all in and hope to win or collect blinds. Doesn't matter if their hand is crap.
This is where I lose. Somewhere between final table and top 100 in most cases. (I've been knocked out early before, but I'm usually top 100)
I just can't figure out that end stage game play, because best I can figure; it's either 'get lucky and they fold blinds to you' or 'get lucky and win an all in'.
There is no 'play your hand'.
Now, I have no issue with push/shove games, but in the tournament, it does seem that these push shove games are being done way too early; and are not limited to small stacks.
I can not see a way to beat this section of the tournament beyond 'luck' and that's the biggest bummer I've had playing poker.
I think the way to beat the end game; is to beat the early game harder. I think instead of stacking 3-5 people within 25 minutes, I need to be stacking 10 or more, and use that to bully harder mid game....but again, need luck to win those hands if someone calls.
Other than that; I don't see a way, does anyone whose made final table have advice for winning tournament?
(If you've never made final table; just don't reply - You're not good enough to give advice to be blunt).
My "speciality" is a feeling, that with my generally cautious game and with carefull picking of starting hands, I am supposed to run deeper at tournaments, then overly agressive, reckless players, that are abundant at 40$ tournaments I attend. Then villain crush my strong pair with some lucky gutshot and I feel betrayed by the game.
I had a session in March that kicked off one of my ugliest down swings and it started with getting my aces busted 4 times in 5 hours for two buy ins. After that I proceeded to have my next ten pocket aces getting cracked. It happens lol
At least you get aces. Hell I go 2 or 3 sessions without getting AA or KK lol
0:56 shoutout to Robbie Lew & Garrett Adlestein 😂
Looking to play for the first time I’ve been watching your content for about a month now as well as CLP. Committed a lot of the opening charts at least roughly to memory based on different positions and is opening. What would you recommend as a good first game and buy in amount. I am basically right between Chicago and Milwaukee and can get to rivers or Potawatomi. It seems like 200 BB is what many suggest so on a $1/2 game buying in for at least $400?
I think a lot of this stuff will make a lot more sense once I actually get out there and play. This isn’t money. I will be emotionally attached and don’t want to, but would be OK with losing it.
Tips from anyone, especially if anyone is local to the Midwest would be greatly appreciated
If you do not expect to be better than your opponents, it is usually wise to buy in for as little as possible. That said, the "standard" buy-in in most small stakes live games is 100 big blinds.
This is good advice, but how do you tell the difference between a big downswing and a game you can't beat?
By paying attention to how you are winning and losing.
one outers hit sometimes. 52 isn't a lot!
The other night I had QQ vs AJs. All in preflop. Flop two of the AJ’s suit. Turn was a Q! River completed the flush. Poker owes me a river.
Not in this video, but I love when he tells us ‘stop being a baby’ or ‘don’t be a baby’ 🤣👌
Great video, I like all your videos. This one is special because most coaches don't talk about it. But here's my dilemma. I'm playing a 5-5-10 and I'm under bankrolled. I have $3000 for poker and I think the right bankroll for this game is $30,000 plus. The reason I play this game is because I think it's the smallest game I can make money at. I think the small games are hard to beat. You start out with blinds that are $1& $2 they rake $7 mathematically that's a hard game to beat. You start the hand $4 in the hole. On a 5-5-10 after the house rakes 7 you have $8 to play for. If you raise and everyone folds you make $18. Any words of wisdom?
Play the smaller game and play REALLY tight such that you have a large edge in each pot you enter.
Winners Tilt can kill your profit.
Dont tell me that Cuz I agree 4-100% with you
how severe or consistent do you consider a downswing to have to be to consider changing your game?
In my estimation a lot of players don't have 50-100buyins for the stakes theyre playing and variance will wipe them out sooner or later. Most won't stay in the game.
It depends on how/why you are losing.
The latter half of this made me think of Jamie Gold lol
Part of why I play tournaments is because I find it easier to accept suck outs there than in cash games
Your first slide is not just a toxic poker mindset but a toxic person mindset. That slide would be relevant in a thousand different scenarios in today's landscape.
I actually dislike, ( im not gonna say hate) people that get furious and toxic about bad beats in poker or people that wanna dictate how you play the hands.
You play the way you want with your own money. Thats it!
Some say they have a lot of experience playing poker. However, if at the end of the day you feel sorry for yourself, that's your experience.
Loosing once with high edge is acceptable. But when I loose 80% ish 4 times throughout the night, I'm throwing tantrum 😂
If every poker player watched this video the game would become much more enjoyable for all. However; the fact is that within the current state of the game, recreational players get a bad vibe from those boorish "regs" with their judgmental place of victimhood. It's quite astonishing how unwelcoming most tables are to "the fish". IMO, the closing of poker rooms has much to do with the anti-social presence of the "reg".
I made 4 final tables last week...won 2 of them and still had my worst week of poker money wise
Funny how the human brain works. Somehow 12.5% is not going to happen with 5 cards to come. Yet, spiking a one-outer on the river is accepted.
I'm gonna write an article on Tilt mindset and advise/convince people, to want to do everything that you say not to do. Just outta love and spite
Forget AA cracked! Try flopping a FING BOAT {2 times the last week}, only to lose to runner runner QUADS!! GET USED TO IT!!
Learn to hold, fish.
I think it would help if people really looked at the actual number of possibilities there are. The actual number is astronomical.
Seriously, do the math on the possibilities of any one deal in Hold Em.
Someone send this vid to philly hellmouth.
Variance is true. Cheating is true also. Be aware of both.
I mean i get it entitled and so on
But if one run 75 buy in under ev in spins
Freakin impossible to not think you deserve this flip or any
The problem is we're Playing the wrong game...texas Holdem does a very poor job of luck distribution. I play versions of 5 card omaha...this game distributes luck more evenly amongst players because the math says it HAS to.
Best attitude to have is to assume you're money is only entertainment and play with money you can afford to lose and enjoy it as a game! If you win, great.after all almost every other pastime costs money.
Being happy to lose is probably not ideal imo.
@@PokerCoaching yes;, but you can make the right decisions and lose. You got all in on the bubble with AA in London and lost. You played the hand perfectly and lost. That's poker. I disnt imply that people should try to get better at poker but not everyone will win at poker all the time or even as much as they should! :)
Thank you for the wake up call.
I’m done with poker 😂
gg
Yes yes yes
There are only two types of poker players. Those who can control their emotions and be successful and those who can’t.
Ok I have a legit question. When playing $1-$2 or $1-$3. What is your over all goal when you sit down?
Mine is to double or triple up. Once I'm there. I cash out. But what about if you are in a home game? For example. I sat down with $140, $1-$2 game. I hit hand after hand after hand. 6 hands in and I'm up to $430. Do I cash out? Do you stay?
If you hit your goal, and that's to triple up with what you say down with. But you leave after barely 30-40mins of playing. You look like the ass.
So do you just do it anyways? What would you do in a game you regularly play in. Cash game, home game. ......I ended up taking 2 good hits to my stack. Ended up leaving at end of night with $193. 😢
So what is your goal when you sit down? Do you set a time of how long you'll play? Or how much you make?
Leaving when you are up is usually a terrible strategy because when you are up, you can presume the game is softer than normal. If anything, quit when you get stuck a few buy-ins because you can presume the game is tougher than normal.
imagine a revolver with 8 chambers but only 1 bullet. how often do you want to play "twist and trigger"? for me it is zero
Seems -ev to play if there is no prize...
@@PokerCoaching i highly advise not to play russian roulette 😄 but on another thought: what monetary value would make you agree to play russian roulette with 1:8?
Before I even watch this video, I have a feeling I'm about to get called out.
Edit: Yep. Called it
Doyle Brunson rivered royal flushes against 3 guys who flopped quads during his life for pots worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. He became a famous millionaire poker player and those men went broke.
Thst is almost certainly not actually the reason he was successful.
He must have played more live hands in times when games were rarer. He was a very good player with excellent life skills .
@@marksimpson2321 read his 50 most memorable hands book. Oh absolutely he was a good player but luck absolutely played a large part in it. You have to be good and lucky to make it to the top.
What I notice is that the pros rarely teach how to win at sitngos...personally imo the reason is because its a high skill based scenario, what a little skill produces good income. They teach it to their friends and family but nobody else. Am I wrong? spill the beans pros lol give a fish a bone here....I've put in the work lol
...my first training site taught only how to win at sngs, but then the games died and now no one makes much more than rakeback at the middle and high stakes.
Even non poker players should watch this
Ist vielleicht kein Mehrwert, aber als Scam würde ich es nicht betiteln. Manchmal muss man starten, auch wenn es noch nicht perfekt sitzt. Vielleicht redet in 10 Jahren niemand mehr darüber - vielleicht findet es jedoch noch eine Entwicklung; in irgend einer Form. Die Zukunft wird‘s zeigen.
As always...sub could for should. I could have won. Way more accurate
The other TOXIC Poker Mindset: Thinking you will always lose.
87.5% ≠ 100%
Phil Hellmuth is the first poker player ive ever heard say “this isn’t fair.” And he still says it to this day. He’s an embarrassment to the game.
But how much is an act? Quite a lot. Phil is an intelligent person with issues as a result of over competitive. You dont win as many tournaments as he has over decades by being crap at poker.
But don’t you know all online poker is rigged?
lolz
Entitlement is the Enemy feels like a speech about life that a Boomer would say to a Millenial where the Millenial ignores the Boomer and gets angry but ultimately the Boomer is right.