I got my lowest grades in history as a student, and never took any classes in college. Thank you for making such a previously boring subject absolutely fascinating. I cared less for the battles, decrees, boring pompous monarchs, but am captivated being able learn about the incredible architecture, ingenuity, and relatable every day life of our predecessors. What had been presented in a dry, stoic way is now enhanced and “humanized” with the inclusion of your emotions and willingness to show how much you love pre history. Thank you❤
I’ve loved history since first I began school. Love the videos, opinions, honesty, humor of these guys. Consider expanding your history knowledge and read National Geographic History in magazine, digital or library. Its wonderful.
My grandma talked about using a wood fired range. And how she selected different woods for different meals. I wish I'd written down what she said. I only remember if she wanted a long slow heat then willow would be used. For roast pork and a good crackling you need it hot , then oak or rata. And again you might start with a slow heat fire then change to a hot heat or vis a versa by the wood you added. To check temperature in the oven or pot, a sprinkle of flour and the length of time to brown told you if the oven/pot was hot or cool enough. You also listened as the sound of how something was cooking helped to tell you when it was ready.
Fascinating. My mother cooked on a wood stove, but she did not have the intricate knowledge of the types of wood for different meals that your grandmother had.. She did tell me she had a brick oven in the yard. The oven would be stuffed with straw and the straw set on fire. When the straw was burned to ash, the bricks were hot and 16 loaves of bread would be baked at once.
I've been interested in archaeology since the 7th grade (about 11/12 years old). 60 years later, I'm still interested... especially pre-history. Thank you for being excellent teachers and story tellers... 😎🤙🐺
Hi a tip,read the datings of Raknehaugen on wiki. Turn on ggl rth,grid on: notice the co-ordinates ! Draw a line from (G)jellestadhaugen to Gokstadhaugen ignore those ships,turn NE,draw further through Farmannshaugen and Borre (skips)haug #1, all the way to Raknehaugen. Watch all the circular craters north of it,with or without both water and names. Some etym: Rakne~to unravel. A farm within some of the impact area just north :El(d)stad~Stove,Oven. (G)jellestad,has a mute G,probably connections between Jelling in Denmark and related to both Gully and Yell.😊
500 years ago judging temperature...My grandmother cooked with a wood burning stove, even during my childhood. Bread was just the beginning, not least of which were cookies, various pastries, candies and the most marvelous meals ever. She could tell the appropriate temperature by holding her hand nearby. Truly amazing how disconnected we are from basic living. When we camped, she still achieved amazing bread and food with a campfire.
You’re my existential dread panacea. Your charm, humour, self effacing manner and wonder in what you explore is exactly what the world needs. You have no idea what it means to me to listen to you both report on the latest discoveries. I would listen to you two if you were talking about hula hoops. You’re absolute diamonds. Thank you. Watching from the middle of nowhere in the Similkameen valley BC Canada.
As a teenager in the 1960's, I joined my friend and her extended family on their cattle ranch in northwest Texas for the yearly round-up. It was traditional. It had been going on since the ranch was established early in the 1800's. There were enclosures. There was feasting. There was sorting, branding, and de-horning. There were outhouses (They were cleaned and limed every year before the round-up). There was the singing of traditional songs - many with a basis in religion (I know of at least 5 guitar picks that were lost in the shuffle and might be unearthed in a careful examination). There was prayer - before setting out in the morning and before eating in the evening. So, I would like to suggest that long in the future this site might be of interest and many false starts.
54:52 Rupert says 'we don't anymore' bury several people together. But don't we? There are 'family graves'. Okay, the people are buried in several coffins, but close together. And if they died toegther (f.e. by an accident) they are buried together, at the same time.
I have been turning to your various conversations and films and your laughing friendship, your deep and fascinating ideas about people in the past, and the enormous range of topics you bring up -- all of that has been providing a very much needed refuge from the frightening realities taking place in my country and in the world. Thanks!
Agree with Alison Alder, Ruth Goodman also has a book on the transition from wood to coal cooking, for most people the temperature of ovens would have been something from experience right up until Victoria times, if not later. Thank you so much, guys, very interesting programme.
Imagine being a fierce band of warriors with epic story telling and mystic skills… and being called the Funnel-beakers because you didn’t write your name on everything.
Rupert's laughter is infectious, especially when about the finallaty of death. His response on the subject, reminded me of a slogan that I saw on a t-shirt " My level of sarcasm depends on your level of stupidity " 😅
I am a retired grazing manager. Could be the third oldest profession. I like it like that. Several attempts have been made to breed back to the aurochs. Some are still ongoing. Cattle were collected from all over the world that appeared to have aurochs characteristics, and were breed together and selected out. Some success was achieved, except for one thing: the size. They got cattle that looked very much like the old aurochs did, they just couldn't get the size. We may imagine that it was something in their paleo diet. We may further imagine more completely that this factor, plus the incredible selection pressures exerted by difficulty of surviving in the world of the megafauna, resulted in selection for the largest. Humans always selected for the smaller animals when they started domesticating. We may wonder if it is too late to breed the size back into the bredback aurochs.
The long wind instruments might be flutes, but they look like trumpet like instruments. The didgeridoo (or Yadaki as they call it) is a type of ‘trumpet’ or horn. Flutes are known from later rock art from the southwestern USA, from the hunchbacked Kokopelli figures. There is a French Paleolithic rock art horned ‘shaman’ figure who holds something in his mouth towards a bison which has been interpreted as a flute, but also as a musical bow, a string instrument using the mouth as a sound box, like a yew’s harp. I prefer this one as that is what it looks like. (I know flutes are known from Paleolithic Germany.) Siberian drums are depicted from the Bronze Age.
Very interesting- one thing to consider about the aurochs- they would have had to get an adult female if they got a calf for the gallons of milk it takes to keep a calf alive. My husband is a farmer and calves without mothers die easily.
I'm a happy subscriber and love the content. I have one complaint. I often listen to science podcasts while drifting off to sleep and tried this one, but couldn't hear some of what Mike said because his volume drops too low at times. This is a common manner of speaking, but I keep my volume low at night, so have trouble with it then. I'm listening to it in the morning now with higher volume and it's fine.
Yes - you're right - my volume was down compared to Rupert's. Sorry it caused you problems. I'll be taking extra special care to get the balance right next time! Best, Michael.
Jean M Auel's _"Earth's Children" ("Clan of the Cave Bear" etc)_ series was based on real archaeology. Mog Ur, the shaman, was based on a Neanderthal burial of a 40 year old with a withered or missing arm. {:o:O:}
Auroras further south - we are better at predicting them than even 11 years ago at the last solar maximum. This means normal people (with much better cameras in their pockets) hear that the auroras might be visible, go out and look, and then get photographic evidence with date and gps stamps. 10 years ago, the anecdotal evidence would have been dismissed.
"The woman's arms, placed protectively around the children, ... highlight the importance of extended family ties in these communities." I think that they highlight something more specific: the importance of the "sister-son" relationship, which is accorded great value by all the Indo-European proto-nations. What d'you think?
Miyake solar events are much more powerful and rarer than Carrington events, although the two solar events probably represent two different cyclical periods of extreme solar activity. The Carrington event, for example, doesn't seem to show up in tree ring data.
The one solar storm this year (2024) was larger than the Carrington event. Tthe outer shell of our magnetosphere changes polarity and when it came, it couldn't sympathetically "hook-up" and was somewhat repelled and rejected. We didn't know for a couple days (3). It wasn't exactly a bullseye on us either. We were pretty lucky. The space weather people were salivating at the prospect, it was as near a miss as it gets.
Hey Prehistory Guys, I love what you're doing! Here's a tip for you to investigate: the "Strickland Stone". It's a moccasin print in a small basalt boulder that was shot out of Mt. Tabor, (an extinct cinder cone in Portland, Oregon) 1.1-1.2 MYA BP, part of the Bolling Lava Fields at the time. The story of its discovery and analysis can be seen in issues#79-82 of the Pleistocene Coalition Newsletter. This may be beyond your prehistory threshold in your site here, but once you see it, you'll puzzle over how ancient modern homo sapiens are. I love a good puzzle, don't you?
The decapitated woman's burial looks a lot like the first recorded faceplant in history... needs followed up by the Chevy Chase, et al, sequence you often see on the internet... but seriously, kinda comes to mind, eh? At some time in the past (admittedly, a noticeably long period...) some heads were kept, even mad eup with a plaster base layer, and on out. Eventually buried. If, perhaps, her bones were flensed and left to "clean" for a year (like in a rock burial chamber) and then interred permanently, the head might've been returned, or staged, especially if it never left the rest of the bones, in a position evocative of her life... hence the faceplant thought.
Hasn’t it been found that in the Neolithic, women were often found to be living far from their family of origin? They were sent off to other villages in exchange for women so that there would be less inbreeding?
I lived in Zimbabwe and Zambia and remember the dancers who wore fantastic animal human like structures in some cases with breasts even though most of these dressed dancers were men. bells or rattles round their ankles. They also played certain instruments rattles. Could this be a throw back to that early a time.
Sorry you're not seeing captions. I did a small edit after uploading and that may have caused the captions to be knocked out. I hope that they are regenerating. Check back in a little while and see if they're available. Michael.
Seasonal eating and a pottery fair. no ceremony. Strange with a view of the people of the distant past as immediately not very intelligent. Putting stone work and other clever ideas beyond our ancestors abilities, then why would ceremonial on goings as something not very intelligent to enable it to matter to our ancestors. Could not have built the pyramids, yet had a spiritual knowledge of deities and ceremonies which caused an answer for rain or what not.
I think the objection people have when you are talking about ancient people is that you are not _"laughing in the face of death"._ At least, not your own death. You are mocking the death rituals and practices of real, albeit ancient, people. But real people, nonetheless. You are laughing in the face of _their_ death, not your own. I've not noticed this myself and don't offhand recall seeing you do it. But, if that's what you did, where I come from that would make you a tosser. {:o:O:}
Quagga and aurochs, though in both cases they are technically "look alikes", using back breeding, which is why the Taurus is called a Taurus and not an aurochs. In both, the theory was that the genetic material remained in existant populations, domesticated or wild. In the case of a Dodo, Mammoth or Tasmanian Tiger, that is evidently not the case
I got my lowest grades in history as a student, and never took any classes in college. Thank you for making such a previously boring subject absolutely fascinating. I cared less for the battles, decrees, boring pompous monarchs, but am captivated being able learn about the incredible architecture, ingenuity, and relatable every day life of our predecessors. What had been presented in a dry, stoic way is now enhanced and “humanized” with the inclusion of your emotions and willingness to show how much you love pre history. Thank you❤
The beauty about history is that you can dive into it as you said, from all these different directions. And all are equally wonderful!
I’ve loved history since first I began school. Love the videos, opinions, honesty, humor of these guys. Consider expanding your history knowledge and read National Geographic History in magazine, digital or library. Its wonderful.
My grandma talked about using a wood fired range. And how she selected different woods for different meals. I wish I'd written down what she said. I only remember if she wanted a long slow heat then willow would be used. For roast pork and a good crackling you need it hot , then oak or rata. And again you might start with a slow heat fire then change to a hot heat or vis a versa by the wood you added.
To check temperature in the oven or pot, a sprinkle of flour and the length of time to brown told you if the oven/pot was hot or cool enough.
You also listened as the sound of how something was cooking helped to tell you when it was ready.
Fascinating. My mother cooked on a wood stove, but she did not have the intricate knowledge of the types of wood for different meals that your grandmother had.. She did tell me she had a brick oven in the yard. The oven would be stuffed with straw and the straw set on fire. When the straw was burned to ash, the bricks were hot and 16 loaves of bread would be baked at once.
Besides the subjects being interesting, I so much enjoy your way of conveying em!
The banter is superb 👌
I've been interested in archaeology since the 7th grade (about 11/12 years old). 60 years later, I'm still interested... especially pre-history. Thank you for being excellent teachers and story tellers... 😎🤙🐺
Hi a tip,read the datings of Raknehaugen on wiki. Turn on ggl rth,grid on: notice the co-ordinates !
Draw a line from (G)jellestadhaugen to Gokstadhaugen ignore those ships,turn NE,draw further through Farmannshaugen and Borre (skips)haug #1, all the way to Raknehaugen. Watch all the circular craters north of it,with or without both water and names.
Some etym: Rakne~to unravel.
A farm within some of the impact area just north :El(d)stad~Stove,Oven.
(G)jellestad,has a mute G,probably connections between Jelling in Denmark and related to both Gully and Yell.😊
500 years ago judging temperature...My grandmother cooked with a wood burning stove, even during my childhood. Bread was just the beginning, not least of which were cookies, various pastries, candies and the most marvelous meals ever. She could tell the appropriate temperature by holding her hand nearby. Truly amazing how disconnected we are from basic living. When we camped, she still achieved amazing bread and food with a campfire.
You’re my existential dread panacea. Your charm, humour, self effacing manner and wonder in what you explore is exactly what the world needs. You have no idea what it means to me to listen to you both report on the latest discoveries. I would listen to you two if you were talking about hula hoops. You’re absolute diamonds. Thank you. Watching from the middle of nowhere in the Similkameen valley BC Canada.
They have been my help through this terrible political season in America. Love the insights and their personalities.
Hello from sunny California... Ken here...
As a teenager in the 1960's, I joined my friend and her extended family on their cattle ranch in northwest Texas for the yearly round-up. It was traditional. It had been going on since the ranch was established early in the 1800's. There were enclosures. There was feasting. There was sorting, branding, and de-horning. There were outhouses (They were cleaned and limed every year before the round-up). There was the singing of traditional songs - many with a basis in religion (I know of at least 5 guitar picks that were lost in the shuffle and might be unearthed in a careful examination). There was prayer - before setting out in the morning and before eating in the evening. So, I would like to suggest that long in the future this site might be of interest and many false starts.
Great stuff!
54:52 Rupert says 'we don't anymore' bury several people together. But don't we? There are 'family graves'. Okay, the people are buried in several coffins, but close together. And if they died toegther (f.e. by an accident) they are buried together, at the same time.
I have been turning to your various conversations and films and your laughing friendship, your deep and fascinating ideas about people in the past, and the enormous range of topics you bring up -- all of that has been providing a very much needed refuge from the frightening realities taking place in my country and in the world. Thanks!
These rock arts remind me of those dancers and their wonderful dress, mainly in earthy colours.
Agree with Alison Alder, Ruth Goodman also has a book on the transition from wood to coal cooking, for most people the temperature of ovens would have been something from experience right up until Victoria times, if not later.
Thank you so much, guys, very interesting programme.
Imagine being a fierce band of warriors with epic story telling and mystic skills… and being called the Funnel-beakers because you didn’t write your name on everything.
Rupert's laughter is infectious, especially when about the finallaty of death. His response on the subject, reminded me of a slogan that I saw on a t-shirt " My level of sarcasm depends on your level of stupidity " 😅
I am a retired grazing manager. Could be the third oldest profession. I like it like that.
Several attempts have been made to breed back to the aurochs. Some are still ongoing. Cattle were collected from all over the world that appeared to have aurochs characteristics, and were breed together and selected out. Some success was achieved, except for one thing: the size. They got cattle that looked very much like the old aurochs did, they just couldn't get the size. We may imagine that it was something in their paleo diet. We may further imagine more completely that this factor, plus the incredible selection pressures exerted by difficulty of surviving in the world of the megafauna, resulted in selection for the largest. Humans always selected for the smaller animals when they started domesticating. We may wonder if it is too late to breed the size back into the bredback aurochs.
I’m sad the captions aren’t working but I love your content!
Love you Prehistory Guys. Please know how important knowing what people were doing to create and show art. That is my obsession.
Hi, I am LiLing from Malaysia. Love prehistory.
The long wind instruments might be flutes, but they look like trumpet like instruments. The didgeridoo (or Yadaki as they call it) is a type of ‘trumpet’ or horn.
Flutes are known from later rock art from the southwestern USA, from the hunchbacked Kokopelli figures.
There is a French Paleolithic rock art horned ‘shaman’ figure who holds something in his mouth towards a bison which has been interpreted as a flute, but also as a musical bow, a string instrument using the mouth as a sound box, like a yew’s harp. I prefer this one as that is what it looks like. (I know flutes are known from Paleolithic Germany.)
Siberian drums are depicted from the Bronze Age.
1:29:59 An argument for the first fast food chain 🤭
Ahh a little bit of enclosure ceremonial action
Very interesting- one thing to consider about the aurochs- they would have had to get an adult female if they got a calf for the gallons of milk it takes to keep a calf alive. My husband is a farmer and calves without mothers die easily.
Its snowing on the Siera Navadas and its about 14c outside
I'm a happy subscriber and love the content. I have one complaint. I often listen to science podcasts while drifting off to sleep and tried this one, but couldn't hear some of what Mike said because his volume drops too low at times. This is a common manner of speaking, but I keep my volume low at night, so have trouble with it then. I'm listening to it in the morning now with higher volume and it's fine.
Yes - you're right - my volume was down compared to Rupert's. Sorry it caused you problems. I'll be taking extra special care to get the balance right next time! Best, Michael.
@@ThePrehistoryGuys I appreciate that, and thanks for the reply! Joe
Fascinating work. Thanks 🙏
Jean M Auel's _"Earth's Children" ("Clan of the Cave Bear" etc)_ series was based on real archaeology. Mog Ur, the shaman, was based on a Neanderthal burial of a 40 year old with a withered or missing arm.
{:o:O:}
Auroras further south - we are better at predicting them than even 11 years ago at the last solar maximum. This means normal people (with much better cameras in their pockets) hear that the auroras might be visible, go out and look, and then get photographic evidence with date and gps stamps. 10 years ago, the anecdotal evidence would have been dismissed.
Southwest USA rock art has flute players.
"The woman's arms, placed protectively around the children, ... highlight the importance of extended family ties in these communities." I think that they highlight something more specific: the importance of the "sister-son" relationship, which is accorded great value by all the Indo-European proto-nations. What d'you think?
Miyake solar events are much more powerful and rarer than Carrington events, although the two solar events probably represent two different cyclical periods of extreme solar activity. The Carrington event, for example, doesn't seem to show up in tree ring data.
Things done with a purpose. We will never know what it was but that it was seems so clear. Thanks.
The one solar storm this year (2024) was larger than the Carrington event. Tthe outer shell of our magnetosphere changes polarity and when it came, it couldn't sympathetically "hook-up" and was somewhat repelled and rejected. We didn't know for a couple days (3). It wasn't exactly a bullseye on us either.
We were pretty lucky. The space weather people were salivating at the prospect, it was as near a miss as it gets.
Those images look a lot like Bradshaw's found in the remote Kimberly in NW Australia.
What’s ironic is some aboriginal Kimberley art has been fraudulently used by people claiming it was older and from a European cave.
Never skip to the 5 min mark mate
It's a fill the glass stoke the fire and get 5he snacks moment
Hey Prehistory Guys, I love what you're doing! Here's a tip for you to investigate: the "Strickland Stone". It's a moccasin print in a small basalt boulder that was shot out of Mt. Tabor, (an extinct cinder cone in Portland, Oregon) 1.1-1.2 MYA BP, part of the Bolling Lava Fields at the time. The story of its discovery and analysis can be seen in issues#79-82 of the Pleistocene Coalition Newsletter. This may be beyond your prehistory threshold in your site here, but once you see it, you'll puzzle over how ancient modern homo sapiens are. I love a good puzzle, don't you?
you forgot to mention bog butter :)
Why no CC Closed Captioning? So sorry for myself and others have to miss 75% of your programs
The decapitated woman's burial looks a lot like the first recorded faceplant in history... needs followed up by the Chevy Chase, et al, sequence you often see on the internet... but seriously, kinda comes to mind, eh?
At some time in the past (admittedly, a noticeably long period...) some heads were kept, even mad eup with a plaster base layer, and on out. Eventually buried. If, perhaps, her bones were flensed and left to "clean" for a year (like in a rock burial chamber) and then interred permanently, the head might've been returned, or staged, especially if it never left the rest of the bones, in a position evocative of her life... hence the faceplant thought.
If one looks at the modern size of a Holstein cattle one can imagine their auroch ancestry
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didnt Alfred burn the cakes too?
Their Hecklings are more like Stadler and Waldorf. Thank god or youtube for 2x speed! They do prattle on and on and....
Hasn’t it been found that in the Neolithic, women were often found to be living far from their family of origin? They were sent off to other villages in exchange for women so that there would be less inbreeding?
I lived in Zimbabwe and Zambia and remember the dancers who wore fantastic animal human like structures in some cases with breasts even though most of these dressed dancers were men. bells or rattles round their ankles. They also played certain instruments rattles. Could this be a throw back to that early a time.
😂 Skane or Scone ?
Men made the flutes. rattles amused children. Dance is everyone's right.
"What the hell is that about?" LOL
You can't date stone, yet you can get DNA from mineralized bone?
Please... captions? Even jusr the auto-generated ones? 😢
Sorry you're not seeing captions. I did a small edit after uploading and that may have caused the captions to be knocked out. I hope that they are regenerating. Check back in a little while and see if they're available. Michael.
People lived far from their families could be explained by dlavr raids.
How did they contain aurox?
Everything they dig up is either a tomb or a temple. Can't be anything else?
Seasonal eating and a pottery fair. no ceremony. Strange with a view of the people of the distant past as immediately not very intelligent. Putting stone work and other clever ideas beyond our ancestors abilities, then why would ceremonial on goings as something not very intelligent to enable it to matter to our ancestors. Could not have built the pyramids, yet had a spiritual knowledge of deities and ceremonies which caused an answer for rain or what not.
I think the objection people have when you are talking about ancient people is that you are not _"laughing in the face of death"._ At least, not your own death.
You are mocking the death rituals and practices of real, albeit ancient, people. But real people, nonetheless. You are laughing in the face of _their_ death, not your own.
I've not noticed this myself and don't offhand recall seeing you do it. But, if that's what you did, where I come from that would make you a tosser.
{:o:O:}
Actually, I find that Rupert and Michael are, in general, very respectful and sensitive about the ancient deaths they discuss.
I read that lacking a sense of humor is one of the top signs of un-intelligence. 😉
Have there been ANY ancient animal brought back? 🤥
Quagga and aurochs, though in both cases they are technically "look alikes", using back breeding, which is why the Taurus is called a Taurus and not an aurochs. In both, the theory was that the genetic material remained in existant populations, domesticated or wild. In the case of a Dodo, Mammoth or Tasmanian Tiger, that is evidently not the case