Netflix doesn't rush their exclusive shows, it actually keeps people subscribing when they have something to look forward to. And they don't tell you EXACTLY when a show is going to drop until its ready. For example we know Stranger Things next season is coming sometime this year.
I honestly don’t like the sound of where this is going. We already have a big enough issue of too many people paying rent compared to mortgage to own a house, and now this mindset is shifting to gaming? “You will own nothing and you will be happy about it” - World Economic Forum
Renting a house isn't actually a problem. Given the average amount that people stay at one place, and all the costs of owning, buying a house has a similar unrecoverable cost to renting, meaning the average homeowner is losing roughly as much money as they would renting. This also means that renting and investing in an index fund creates more wealth than buying a house and renting in an index fund in the majority of cases. The problem is people are clueless about finances, education is desperately needed.
I want to agree but there’s too much money to be made by NOT consolidating things. While some smaller games and companies might benefit from tagging themselves onto larger companies that have subscription services, a lot of them would not. Shoutout to the gamers that still enjoy the feeling of opening up physical game cases and having the CDs
Why would I buy a physical game when only i can play that game? when buying the digital version I can half its price and 2 of us can play it. Physical media is limited, expensive and wasteful.
@@willtheprodigy3819 back? I don't need the money back. I haven't been into a game store for a few years. I wait for most games to go on sale, then half the cost with a friend, because if we get it digitally we both have access to the game via xbox's game sharing. Plus I don't have to physically go into a store where half of the staff can't even tie their own shoe laces. It makes zero sense for me to buy a physical game. Then there is game pass that has saved me from paying games that turned out to be terrible. Example gears 5. If I had paid full retail for that crap I'd have been majorly pissed. A combination of game pass and game sharing is the best system for me.
@@81stCommander You may be right about certain now days games may be a good thing being able to have game pass, but now way in H3ll am i paying subscription service for a 10 years old game, that no longer functions properly or has any support anymore. So yes having physical disc in my option is someways better, for then you have full control over the disc you bought. Yes you may not have all the proper functions as an digital version has, but bro good F luck trying get to play always online games or subscription service games when there is an power outage or the wi-fi cuts out. Or worse if the corpos decides to stop supporting the games, they can then whenever they feel like it, they can just shut down the games that you have just bought, then you can no longer play the game you just bought.
@@81stCommander i own all my games physically, whats to stop the publishers/subscription makers to just end distribution of digital content? Weve seen it many times already. Physical games before xbox one and ps4 gen(most switch games as well) dont require an online download to install games. I might as well just give up on modern gaming and stick to retro. Tons of amazing titles to play and no need for online shenanigans.
I will always want a game in my hand. I want the artwork, case, and disc. Even if they switched to mini USB style games I'd be okay. But I want something tangible. Something real. Something I can buy used or sell it I don't want anymore. Or something I can lend to someone. Ect ect. Real is better.
just because something is virtual doesnt make it any less tangible or valuable. is 10k in physical cash more valuable than 10k in a banking app on your phone?
Even with digital games and they're higher editions costing between $59-139 on launch I rather have a license to a game where there's some ownership versus a subscription that would remove the games once I stop paying for it. A game subscription model is only good if you wanna try out games or your gonna play a ton of them. Not just gaming many party of life in physical/mortar and digital services will push subscription models. Subscription models benefit consumers in the beginning but in the long term they benefit businesses more. Subscription give business recurring money non stop, #2 there's less ownership for customers when it comes to gaming and #3 they're more expensive for the customers than if they chose the yearly annual option I just hope businesses offer more than 1 business model and not just subscription model only
And in addition to all that: Subscriptions are still making you pay for microtransactions even though you can only play as long as you are subscribed. It's insane.
Subscription services create the incentive to actually make good games. With the regular pricing model, there's no incentive for companies to actually create something that you want to keep playing, they just need to create something you're hyped enough to buy. Also, subscriptions give incent the company to do more post launch support, instead of forgetting about the game the moment sales drop.
The torrent services are going to be having a party if gaming goes exclusive-subscriptions. TPB and KAT have really made a comeback recently despite government efforts to shut them down because of exclusive-subscription content like Squid Games, Mandalorian, AOT, or The Witcher.
Would love to know your take on mobile gaming especially considering how dominant it is in developing countries that don’t have the pc/console ecosystem. I mean if we look at the original iPhone I don’t think anyone would have thought that cod and pubg mobile would even be a thing.
Subscriptions are fantastic for trying out games. I spent $5 for EA Play to test out BF2042, which ended up saving me $55... ($60 for BF2042 - $5 for EA Play).
Gonna make a counterpoint to this and say that I don't believe this will happen, at least not how things are now. When you look at something like, say, netflix, the reason people are okay with paying for a subscription is because of how much of a good deal it is. When you get a movie, you get it to watch it once, and then you are finished with it. There's nothing else to do with it, nothing else to buy, you already experienced everything. And you get to watch so many different movies for hardly any money. Because games aren't so two-dimensional, I don't think a subscription model will ever work for games rather than flat out buying them. Sure, you can now try out all types of different games you wouldn't have played otherwise, but to me, it is more akin to renting games, not comparable to purchasing them like we do now. People are less likely to buy microtransactions for a game that they don't own and aren't guaranteed to keep. On top of that, because games are generally replayable, if someone likes a game to play it regularly they aren't going to want to be bound by a subscription to have to play it, unless that subscription is guaranteed to keep that game on it permanently, which in my eyes is the only way that would work out.
I think its just as simple as you want to play the new cod? Then pay 10bucks a month for cod and people will end up paying thats what sucks im also a physical copy type of guy
@@maxdubs5360 They better be ready for that playercount to crash then. I'm not paying no 10 bucks a month to play a game I should own. It's a right. Cable and blockbuster died because they tried this. History repeats itself.
@@AntEater152 lol, it's 10 bucks. You probably pay more per month for Netflix, Hulu, your phone etc. And it's all things you continue to pay because you enjoy it am I correct? It's no different if a gaming company does it, if you enjoy the game... you'll pay per month, if you dont... you'll end the subscription.
I think its sad that people won't own anything. This is great for the game devs and Micrsoft, or whoever, they will get a steady flow of cash coming in but apart from we can play more games at a lower cost I think in the long run this is bad for consumers.
I hate how sports, specifically soccer, gas become so subscription based. It was only a few years back that i could watch all the best European leagues and UCL in cable for a descent price. Now everything is separate and at the end of the month one ends up paying more for all these services than before.
Great stuff man, though I think you should check out Atrioc’s recent vid; he goes into the macro of IP wars and why Microsoft has the capitol to take a loss to beat/choke out Sony, but also compares the fact that money can’t always buy quality IP or well functioning studios.
They've said it before. Sony's not their competition. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft are gonna be competing against the outsiders who are gonna want a piece of their console gaming market. (ie. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Tencent, Walmart) Its a classic "stick with the devil you know" situation.
So they gonna do something like a F2P Chevy Tahoe, you just walk up and hop in….but you have to start a subscription to start it and drive it, turn the radio on, roll the windows down, etc…., lol
I like gamepass, outside cod I never really play a game over a long period , with gamepass I play lots of stuff I'd otherwise never play which is great. You are totally correct drift this is how its going
I think subscription models aren’t sustainable. Disney plus has I think 120 million plus subscribers and it’s not raking in a profit. Netflix is more than $20 billion in debt and now they have to compete against new competitors. In the summer of 2020 Aaron Greenburg who works for Microsoft admitted that they weren’t really making any money off of Gamepass. I think Microsoft can’t wait to raise the price of the service. Remember, in January of 2021 they wanted to raise the price for Xbox Live gold, that says a lot.
Xbox did it with the notion that their online service was better than Sony's, which it was on the PS3 VS Xbox360. PSN was garbage but free, Xbox Live was paid but was really good, that was the main appeal for the PS3, PSN was free. Granted nowdays it became an normal thing, but both services aren't really that good compared to free services like Discord for example, devs can choose if they want to enable Xbox Live Gold/PSN+ required for their online service. People actually did raise some noise when Nintendo started with their paid service, which was inferior in every shape and form. You need an smartphone ... an extra cable and more things just to get voice chat ingame, but Nintendo being Nintendo, they don't care, they don't need to care.
@@DarkDyllon on Xbox, if the game is free to play, you don't need an online subscription, you can just play. I did it for a while because I couldn't afford gold. Grinded Destiny 2, Apex, Bless Unleashed/Tera, played offline games
The future for the gaming scenery is pretty bleak, in my opinion. I hate this rise of everything being a ridiculous form of signature. (personal opinion only)
@@guerrerosaurio Yes my friend, me too, me too... Good old days, it's a shame we've gotten to this state, and I honestly only see a bleak future for this hobby. With companies that don't understand anything about this scenario (amazon, google...) wanting to take advantage, create their subscription services. I believe that in the future they will be just like movies, Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft fighting each other with their game subscriptions just like Disney+, HBO, Netflix do.
@@dariosouls I see the subscription idea from a business prespective, but when I want to watch a movie (usually not on netflix nor basic hulu) I end up renting it or go to a thrift store and look for it, as in for netflix, it might have thousands of shows and movies but none that get my attention. I feel the same with games, if i buy one i'll want to make it worth it
@@guerrerosaurio Not that I'm against quantity or anything like that, but there is a psychological process (this is real), that when the human mind is exposed to too much choice it ends up suffering from a heat up so to speak, and ends up choosing nothing. That's why a lot of people can't keep playing on PC when there are many games on Steam, and some also can't keep watching movies when they subscribe to netflix. But back to the subject, it would be something really ridiculous, having to deal with multiple subscriptions here and there, each company developing its own service, and just as in the world of movies there are several subscriptions, as I mentioned, the world of games will also look like this , you can see that Google and Amazon have already started to develop their own, it's just a matter of time.
The thing that concerns me the most is individual games with subscriptions. For example, Star Wars the Old Republic locks A LOT of features behind $10 a month. It’s very concerning to think that this could happen to more games.
While you make some good points, I feel like you miss some bigger points. For instance while subscription model is favourable, a lot of games have a form of these in seasonal passes. Not every developer gains by being on a MS or PS subscription model. You mention Bungie but you fail to address they only agreed to the sale if they could remain across all platform (Destiny 3 won't be PS only). Sony benefits on this deal because of Bungie's expertise in the live service game genre. Something that was listed in the Bungie merger press release. Also, PS CEO (Jim Ryan) has gone on record to say new games won't go on their future subscription service as "These games cost many millions of dollars, well over $100 million, to develop. We just don't see that as sustainable." Another point that keeps getting hugely overlooked on the MS side of business is the potential impact from metaverse, as MS see that as part of their strategy (by metaverse think Halo skins in COD and vice versa, connecting franchises is easy money, it's a big drive for MS). I'm not sure if Sony see that as part of their future or at least, not yet. Love the content and keep being awesome
I think game subscriptions will have a growing impact in gaming, but won't dominate the industry for at least another decade. The biggest thing holding it back is you need hardware for the subscription to work, which handicaps its growth. "But streaming!" Game streaming is still sh&t. Less diarrhea now, but still sh&t. Until you can game as easily as you Netflix, game subscriptions will be restricted in growth.
@@TheNinjaDC completely agree. Must be said, Xbox cloud gaming is a tremendous product currently and all you need is a web browser!! But yeah from an infrastructure perspective server side needs to improve a lot. That’s a big part of their strategy for the casual market, take away the need for consoles and mass consumer appeal.
@@Happyland_Motel_Gamer_Cat you can think of fortnite as a pseudo "metaverse". I can go and watch book of boba fett then hop on Fortnite and play with a boba fett skin, or watch the superbowl and gets Rams football skin, etc. Just the malgmation of franchisees in different products brings more people in I guess
All true of triple A games, but we've seen in the past years that indie games are where it's at, and absolutely no high school game student's dream vision includes a subscription service
Think about how much a subscription-based game service would cost. I don't use netflix because I play games, its a form of savings for me. If I had to pay 30 or 40 dollars a month to be able to play games on steam, that would very quickly add up to more than I've already spent on games throughout my time on PC. And what about for the people that already own a ton of content? Do they get refunds? Definitely not, I see this as nothing more than massive corporate greed and you should too.
2:32 Made it this far before deciding my original idea of buying horses or just the lowest tech option is the favorable one. While I doubt this, I will say that if it comes to this I'm finding a new hobby.
I won’t buy subscription services and games. If they all go that way, I’ll be perfectly fine playing my old games and ones that have been modded to have custom servers like old COD games on PC and Battlefront. I don’t think people realize how easy it is to not support any of this crap. I play a lot of COD and have over a 6 KD in Vanguard. I only buy the base game and never spend any additional money on the game. I don’t have any subscription streaming services. I don’t play any games that require constant purchases like Destiny or subscription games like WoW. I also only use software like DaVinci Resolve Studio and Affinity Photo that allow for one-time purchases (no subscription crap like Adobe) and open-source software like Blender. Cutting out all of the crap has been the best decision ever.
Gamepass would have to have 135million subs to make as much revenue as Xbox made last year(16.28billion), and that’s not including the 8.8 billion more that activision made last year. Right now gamepass is at about 25 million subs, which means that there is no way they can rely ONLY on a subscription base model(although it’s their focus). They will have to keep the option of having live service games, microtransactions and selling the game for the full $60 just because of how much it makes for them, and that’s assuming that they don’t want to keep those methods around. Also, Nintendo continues to prove that as long as you’re in the business of selling games and consoles, all you really need to be a top competitor is to sell games that people love, not to sell the most powerful hardware, or have the greatest value, or even have great 3rd party support. EDIT: It’s worth noting that the number of subs needed is changed if they change the price of gamepass. It’s also worth noting that my calculations were made assuming every subscriber paid the base $10 a month and not the $1 for three months or $15 for gamepass ultimate.
I can see car companies charging for the app to start your car and to check your oil life etc, but it’s ridiculous that they are wanting to take features away from your car that you already paid for and charge a subscription for. Monthly subscription for heated seats/steering wheel is absurd.
Not lookin so hot right now. The only 1 to try it, a 3 trillion dollar company, is about to release all its games on competitors platforms because the subscription can't support the system
You would have to be a legit sped to sub to anything considering torrents exist. Even the PlayStation I stopped using because you’re paying enough for the internet, car insurance, rent, gas & electric and you don’t need to spend more if you can get the same thing for free via Steam, torrents, movie streaming sites or other means. These are all luxury items and if you want to be a shill consumer to the point of not bothering for workarounds for these things, then that’s just sad. These same people then question why they don’t have any money most of the time.
MMOs like World of Warcraft proved people will pay a monthly subscription instead of a one and done deal. Companies make a lot more money over time with this model and as you said it gives them more control as they can discontinue old franchises and force players to pay for new ones.
Another good game that has subscription service is iRacing. With the money they get from the subscription service, they can make more interesting racing series, add more interesting cars and host big community events. Even if the product may appear expensive for pro sim racers and professional teams since it is a subscription service, normal people would actually spend less money if they are just trying out how the best tire physics in the industry has to offer which I think is really nice. So I totally agree that subscription service is the future for big companies. But I am not sure how it would impact indie developers. I hope those service providers will sort that out.
Any game that's subscription only I won't be playing. Either I get to buy a game or I won't be playing it. I only play games I can own. I don't want to be unable to play the game I got massive amounts of progress in just because I haven't paid the monthly subscription fee. I'd effectively have to start paying monthly again in order to be able to continue my progress in that game. If I can't own the game, I'm not interested. Plus I have to put up with that lag and I can't play my single player games if my internet goes down? Not a chance...
I am the rare one, I dont play enough games to warrent a sub service. I see it as paying money for something I wont ever use. So i likely wont buy Sub. I dont have game pass or anything like it. I buy a game and just play it in to the ground.
Eh, I certainly hope not.🤷♂️ We already have so many subscriptions to various other companies/streaming services. Unless they are pumping out monthly content, I’m not paying monthly to play. lol It’s just that simple 😂🤷♂️
Microsoft's studios, like any other big publishers studios, would all be on a 'salary' so you have a 'fixed' wage bill, fixed expenditure (rates, rent, insurance etc) from each studio every month, with 'money' to 'hire' external staff (voice/mocap actors, studio time etc) adding to any monthly expenditure. That cost can be predicted every year and 'depending' on company policy, may find their annual pay-rise above inflation if Game Pass keeps growing because its the money coming in from Subscriptions that basically need to cover the costs of keeping those studio's happy, productive and creative. Game Pass requires big games EVERY month to make new and keep existing Subscribers. Those games have to be games that the Studio's are passionate about and that gamers want to play - because that's what 'keeps' subscribers - not mediocre games - new, interesting 'big' games, Big IP games etc. It completely removes the commercial pressure, Having to hit so many sales to be consider 'successful', having to make yet another 'sequel', maybe lose your studio identity to get pulled into the 'big' IP etc - its all about Player numbers and Player Engagement and for Microsoft It's also about Subscriber growth - hence we only hear FH5 18m players, Halo 20m players etc instead of 'sales' numbers and why its the 'biggest' launch for both yet may not sell that many comparatively, hence we hear Game Pass has 25m+ subs, not how many consoles they sold...
I subscribe to game pass and quite like it. I think as long as there is an option to buy any game outright, it's fine. Putting a game only on a subscription would not be good, but I'm sure it's right around the corner.
If the cost is good I don’t see the problem. The issue would come if one company owned pretty much it all and then they can demand Comcast prices because where else you going to go? Otherwise for the price I pay for gamepass and the amount of games I play it’s way cheaper then buying the plastic disc that still requires online to at the very least update it day one that I don’t care I can’t pretend I completely own it in that it’s physically in my hand. It’s just the next evolution, games have been $60 and now some $70 forever so we were either going to go the route of more expensive games or something like this. I don’t see any issues currently, just comes down to whether or not our fair practice / trade laws or whatever the correct term is keep any one entity from controlling it all and then it’s up to them to pick a price enough people can afford to enjoy and they can remain profitable.
I'm just hoping they don't make it so expensive to sub to their services like how the game pass premium is it is the most I'll spend a month for it and if it becomes more than 20 I got a problem for that as it makes it less accessible for people on a budget
Or instead of buying Game Pass, just buy the games digitally and not be at the mercy of a subscription idk. Seriously though, if we are going to enter a fully all digital era where the only way you can play games or something is by paying some subscription, we are really screwed. I know I probably sound like a conspiracy theorist to some when I say this (which I kinda am in this case), but find it odd how Bill Gates who owns Microsoft, has also been buying up a lot of farmland recently, as suddenly certain goods like eggs are becoming expensive due to Bird Flu? There are also people considering the idea of making us eat artificial lab-grown meat instead of the real thing. (Lab grown meat doesn’t sound so bad, but that could be easily altered, controlled, or go wrong in some way, not worth it) And now they’re pushing Game Pass hard as hell with the World Economic Forum: “You will own nothing, and you will be happy”? I mean this is getting very fishy.
There is a lot of evidence that something going on with GameStop and Microsoft as well as immutable X for an NFT/gaming marketplace. Loopring is also involved in some capacity. It seems to me that it’s all going to be integrated somehow. There is definitely some major changes in the gaming industry going on behind the scenes.
I just hope it doesn't end up like TV where the only way to play a game is to subscribe to x service. Sorry but I'm already swamped with subscriptions and I'm old school. I like to own the games I play. Btw I swear if someday I have to pay monthly to unlock my damn truck I will never buy a new one lol
Bungie remains creative and publishing independence under Sony. That means no Playstation exclusive titles, and there were no plans for a Destiny 3, and that's not changing under Sony.
Honestly, I really enjoy game pass, yes I’m paying each month via the subscription but I can get whatever games many of which I would pay $60-$70 for upfront. The subscription being $15 a month is $180 a year. If I wanted to purchase 12 games (just to make the math simple) that totals to $720 in games not including Xbox live subscription to play online. Microsoft hit a home run with this model and I just hope they maintain the $15 a month subscription.
My concern is that it's going to give developers even less incentive to finish a game correctly, because they already have the consumers' money.
I would argue the exact opposite
If thats the case u just quit your subscription or switch to another one. If all of Netflix movies were bad youd do the same rite?
@@mattstar3974 The point is that I want the games I’m looking forward to to be good.
@@JStengrund what’s your thought process on it?
Netflix doesn't rush their exclusive shows, it actually keeps people subscribing when they have something to look forward to. And they don't tell you EXACTLY when a show is going to drop until its ready. For example we know Stranger Things next season is coming sometime this year.
“You will own nothing and be happy”
💯 agree you are right and thanks for saying it.
I honestly don’t like the sound of where this is going. We already have a big enough issue of too many people paying rent compared to mortgage to own a house, and now this mindset is shifting to gaming? “You will own nothing and you will be happy about it” - World Economic Forum
Ain't gonna work. Stadia and Luna died. They want to offer a service and collect money whilst doing nothing
Same guy that was PAID to say SBMM didn't exist to help this. He made Cod worse to control players like you.
Hes auto deleting my messages of the truth. Look at the smirks on his face says it all. He's a paid puppet.
Renting a house isn't actually a problem. Given the average amount that people stay at one place, and all the costs of owning, buying a house has a similar unrecoverable cost to renting, meaning the average homeowner is losing roughly as much money as they would renting. This also means that renting and investing in an index fund creates more wealth than buying a house and renting in an index fund in the majority of cases. The problem is people are clueless about finances, education is desperately needed.
"If I buy something, then I should own it." - a normal person
I always own my phones. I just buy international unlocked versions from Amazon and put my sim card in it
I want to agree but there’s too much money to be made by NOT consolidating things. While some smaller games and companies might benefit from tagging themselves onto larger companies that have subscription services, a lot of them would not.
Shoutout to the gamers that still enjoy the feeling of opening up physical game cases and having the CDs
Why would I buy a physical game when only i can play that game? when buying the digital version I can half its price and 2 of us can play it.
Physical media is limited, expensive and wasteful.
@@81stCommander But you can get half the money back at Gamestop
@@willtheprodigy3819 back? I don't need the money back. I haven't been into a game store for a few years.
I wait for most games to go on sale, then half the cost with a friend, because if we get it digitally we both have access to the game via xbox's game sharing. Plus I don't have to physically go into a store where half of the staff can't even tie their own shoe laces. It makes zero sense for me to buy a physical game.
Then there is game pass that has saved me from paying games that turned out to be terrible. Example gears 5. If I had paid full retail for that crap I'd have been majorly pissed.
A combination of game pass and game sharing is the best system for me.
@@81stCommander You may be right about certain now days games may be a good thing being able to have game pass, but now way in H3ll am i paying subscription service for a 10 years old game, that no longer functions properly or has any support anymore.
So yes having physical disc in my option is someways better, for then you have full control over the disc you bought.
Yes you may not have all the proper functions as an digital version has, but bro good F luck trying get to play always online games or subscription service games when there is an power outage or the wi-fi cuts out.
Or worse if the corpos decides to stop supporting the games, they can then whenever they feel like it, they can just shut down the games that you have just bought, then you can no longer play the game you just bought.
@@81stCommander i own all my games physically, whats to stop the publishers/subscription makers to just end distribution of digital content? Weve seen it many times already. Physical games before xbox one and ps4 gen(most switch games as well) dont require an online download to install games. I might as well just give up on modern gaming and stick to retro. Tons of amazing titles to play and no need for online shenanigans.
Imagine the day when you will need to crack your car to use it...... horrifying!
If this happens, there is absolutely no chance in hell I will be a subscriber to any of these "games as a service".
I agree.
Xbox is really trying to push DRM
Yeah if this happens I'm just gonna pirate everything
@@SevenStopGaming it’ll definitely drive up that market!
So you'd cut your nose off to spite your face 🤦🏻♂️ good luck with that.
I will always want a game in my hand. I want the artwork, case, and disc. Even if they switched to mini USB style games I'd be okay. But I want something tangible. Something real. Something I can buy used or sell it I don't want anymore. Or something I can lend to someone. Ect ect. Real is better.
Cool, you can still do that
@@literallyvenomsnake for now.
Truth!🎯
just because something is virtual doesnt make it any less tangible or valuable. is 10k in physical cash more valuable than 10k in a banking app on your phone?
@@theendurance Not the same at all.
"You will own nothing and be happy".
Even with digital games and they're higher editions costing between $59-139 on launch I rather have a license to a game where there's some ownership versus a subscription that would remove the games once I stop paying for it. A game subscription model is only good if you wanna try out games or your gonna play a ton of them.
Not just gaming many party of life in physical/mortar and digital services will push subscription models.
Subscription models benefit consumers in the beginning but in the long term they benefit businesses more. Subscription give business recurring money non stop, #2 there's less ownership for customers when it comes to gaming and #3 they're more expensive for the customers than if they chose the yearly annual option
I just hope businesses offer more than 1 business model and not just subscription model only
And in addition to all that: Subscriptions are still making you pay for microtransactions even though you can only play as long as you are subscribed. It's insane.
Subscriptions atte also good foot consumers who like to play a game, finish it, then move on. It could be the saving grace for the single-player game.
Subscription services create the incentive to actually make good games. With the regular pricing model, there's no incentive for companies to actually create something that you want to keep playing, they just need to create something you're hyped enough to buy.
Also, subscriptions give incent the company to do more post launch support, instead of forgetting about the game the moment sales drop.
I hate subscription services. I want to buy something and own it. Hard copy disks over digital copy too!
Cool, buy the physical. Your internet is subscription, TV is, Netflix/Hulu, cope
The torrent services are going to be having a party if gaming goes exclusive-subscriptions. TPB and KAT have really made a comeback recently despite government efforts to shut them down because of exclusive-subscription content like Squid Games, Mandalorian, AOT, or The Witcher.
“You’ll own nothing and be happy.”
Would love to know your take on mobile gaming especially considering how dominant it is in developing countries that don’t have the pc/console ecosystem. I mean if we look at the original iPhone I don’t think anyone would have thought that cod and pubg mobile would even be a thing.
"In Developing countries" Bingo! Sir you have a Clairvoyant ability and your comment is so on point. You should have 100 likes!
Especially gta, fortnite, and soon battlefield.
Problem with anything that costs monthly, it always goes up in price. Paying for access, rather than buying to own.
Subscriptions are fantastic for trying out games. I spent $5 for EA Play to test out BF2042, which ended up saving me $55... ($60 for BF2042 - $5 for EA Play).
Gonna make a counterpoint to this and say that I don't believe this will happen, at least not how things are now. When you look at something like, say, netflix, the reason people are okay with paying for a subscription is because of how much of a good deal it is. When you get a movie, you get it to watch it once, and then you are finished with it. There's nothing else to do with it, nothing else to buy, you already experienced everything. And you get to watch so many different movies for hardly any money. Because games aren't so two-dimensional, I don't think a subscription model will ever work for games rather than flat out buying them. Sure, you can now try out all types of different games you wouldn't have played otherwise, but to me, it is more akin to renting games, not comparable to purchasing them like we do now. People are less likely to buy microtransactions for a game that they don't own and aren't guaranteed to keep. On top of that, because games are generally replayable, if someone likes a game to play it regularly they aren't going to want to be bound by a subscription to have to play it, unless that subscription is guaranteed to keep that game on it permanently, which in my eyes is the only way that would work out.
I think its just as simple as you want to play the new cod? Then pay 10bucks a month for cod and people will end up paying thats what sucks im also a physical copy type of guy
You are so wrong imo. MMO games are already subscription and if you think qbout it a battle pass is a subscription item.
@@thorodinson7467 No they're not lol. I've played plenty of MMOS that are free.
@@maxdubs5360 They better be ready for that playercount to crash then. I'm not paying no 10 bucks a month to play a game I should own. It's a right. Cable and blockbuster died because they tried this. History repeats itself.
@@AntEater152 lol, it's 10 bucks. You probably pay more per month for Netflix, Hulu, your phone etc. And it's all things you continue to pay because you enjoy it am I correct? It's no different if a gaming company does it, if you enjoy the game... you'll pay per month, if you dont... you'll end the subscription.
I would quit gaming if that happened.
Find a new hobby
@@CephlonMayngrum I did,then covid happened
I think a lot of people would quit.
Bye 👋
@@ningrokz5925 didn't happen yet
I think its sad that people won't own anything. This is great for the game devs and Micrsoft, or whoever, they will get a steady flow of cash coming in but apart from we can play more games at a lower cost I think in the long run this is bad for consumers.
Good news is that as an old boomer I will be dead and gone before this rubbish takes completly over.
I hate how sports, specifically soccer, gas become so subscription based. It was only a few years back that i could watch all the best European leagues and UCL in cable for a descent price. Now everything is separate and at the end of the month one ends up paying more for all these services than before.
Shoutout to the ds and 3ds for having amazing games that don't need the internet.
When they are I will be a retro exclusive gamer personally. Physical is the only reason prices fluctuate in the digital landscape.
Piracy is looking sexier and sexier day by day
please, more analytical and interesting commentaries like this. i beg of you
I own my own phone and I pirate all my media. Why would I ever subscribe to anything lol.
Ikr
Great stuff man, though I think you should check out Atrioc’s recent vid; he goes into the macro of IP wars and why Microsoft has the capitol to take a loss to beat/choke out Sony, but also compares the fact that money can’t always buy quality IP or well functioning studios.
They've said it before. Sony's not their competition. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft are gonna be competing against the outsiders who are gonna want a piece of their console gaming market. (ie. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Tencent, Walmart)
Its a classic "stick with the devil you know" situation.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy"
So they gonna do something like a F2P Chevy Tahoe, you just walk up and hop in….but you have to start a subscription to start it and drive it, turn the radio on, roll the windows down, etc…., lol
I like gamepass, outside cod I never really play a game over a long period , with gamepass I play lots of stuff I'd otherwise never play which is great. You are totally correct drift this is how its going
I’ll quit gaming, if that is the case. No remorse. Got better things to do then blow my money.
Another Sufi signs these subscription services were upcoming from Sony was PlayStation making a digital edition of their console
I think subscription models aren’t sustainable. Disney plus has I think 120 million plus subscribers and it’s not raking in a profit. Netflix is more than $20 billion in debt and now they have to compete against new competitors. In the summer of 2020 Aaron Greenburg who works for Microsoft admitted that they weren’t really making any money off of Gamepass. I think Microsoft can’t wait to raise the price of the service. Remember, in January of 2021 they wanted to raise the price for Xbox Live gold, that says a lot.
A big difference between streaming and gaming? I can watch Netflix on any streaming device. I can’t play Xbox game pass on any gaming device.
When PlayStation and Xbox makes you pay to play online I felt surprised no one actually made any noise to fight against it.. it’s an issue imo
Xbox did it with the notion that their online service was better than Sony's, which it was on the PS3 VS Xbox360.
PSN was garbage but free, Xbox Live was paid but was really good, that was the main appeal for the PS3, PSN was free.
Granted nowdays it became an normal thing, but both services aren't really that good compared to free services like Discord for example, devs can choose if they want to enable Xbox Live Gold/PSN+ required for their online service.
People actually did raise some noise when Nintendo started with their paid service, which was inferior in every shape and form.
You need an smartphone ... an extra cable and more things just to get voice chat ingame, but Nintendo being Nintendo, they don't care, they don't need to care.
@@DarkDyllon on Xbox, if the game is free to play, you don't need an online subscription, you can just play. I did it for a while because I couldn't afford gold. Grinded Destiny 2, Apex, Bless Unleashed/Tera, played offline games
My grandpa was talking about the heated car seat subscription thing. That is terrible.
Cool, now instead of buying 1 game a year for $60, I will now have to pay $10-15 per month on games I won't play.
The future for the gaming scenery is pretty bleak, in my opinion. I hate this rise of everything being a ridiculous form of signature. (personal opinion only)
@@dariosouls I miss the time when they focused more on a good story line/ how well the game played than graphics
@@guerrerosaurio Yes my friend, me too, me too...
Good old days, it's a shame we've gotten to this state, and I honestly only see a bleak future for this hobby.
With companies that don't understand anything about this scenario (amazon, google...) wanting to take advantage, create their subscription services. I believe that in the future they will be just like movies, Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft fighting each other with their game subscriptions just like Disney+, HBO, Netflix do.
@@dariosouls I see the subscription idea from a business prespective, but when I want to watch a movie (usually not on netflix nor basic hulu) I end up renting it or go to a thrift store and look for it, as in for netflix, it might have thousands of shows and movies but none that get my attention. I feel the same with games, if i buy one i'll want to make it worth it
@@guerrerosaurio Not that I'm against quantity or anything like that, but there is a psychological process (this is real), that when the human mind is exposed to too much choice it ends up suffering from a heat up so to speak, and ends up choosing nothing. That's why a lot of people can't keep playing on PC when there are many games on Steam, and some also can't keep watching movies when they subscribe to netflix.
But back to the subject, it would be something really ridiculous, having to deal with multiple subscriptions here and there, each company developing its own service, and just as in the world of movies there are several subscriptions, as I mentioned, the world of games will also look like this , you can see that Google and Amazon have already started to develop their own, it's just a matter of time.
The thing that concerns me the most is individual games with subscriptions. For example, Star Wars the Old Republic locks A LOT of features behind $10 a month. It’s very concerning to think that this could happen to more games.
Dude, if they make that happen with subscription video games they’re gonna lose customers like whatever happened to the old days with video games
Battle pass are pretty much a lite version of subscription gaming
While you make some good points, I feel like you miss some bigger points. For instance while subscription model is favourable, a lot of games have a form of these in seasonal passes. Not every developer gains by being on a MS or PS subscription model. You mention Bungie but you fail to address they only agreed to the sale if they could remain across all platform (Destiny 3 won't be PS only). Sony benefits on this deal because of Bungie's expertise in the live service game genre. Something that was listed in the Bungie merger press release.
Also, PS CEO (Jim Ryan) has gone on record to say new games won't go on their future subscription service as "These games cost many millions of dollars, well over $100 million, to develop. We just don't see that as sustainable."
Another point that keeps getting hugely overlooked on the MS side of business is the potential impact from metaverse, as MS see that as part of their strategy (by metaverse think Halo skins in COD and vice versa, connecting franchises is easy money, it's a big drive for MS). I'm not sure if Sony see that as part of their future or at least, not yet.
Love the content and keep being awesome
Who coined that revolting word 'metaverse' oh yer our pin up boy Bobby.
Dude said he also believed in generations. He didn’t get the nickname “lying Ryan” so nothing. Don’t believe him.
I think game subscriptions will have a growing impact in gaming, but won't dominate the industry for at least another decade.
The biggest thing holding it back is you need hardware for the subscription to work, which handicaps its growth.
"But streaming!" Game streaming is still sh&t. Less diarrhea now, but still sh&t.
Until you can game as easily as you Netflix, game subscriptions will be restricted in growth.
@@TheNinjaDC completely agree. Must be said, Xbox cloud gaming is a tremendous product currently and all you need is a web browser!! But yeah from an infrastructure perspective server side needs to improve a lot. That’s a big part of their strategy for the casual market, take away the need for consoles and mass consumer appeal.
@@Happyland_Motel_Gamer_Cat you can think of fortnite as a pseudo "metaverse". I can go and watch book of boba fett then hop on Fortnite and play with a boba fett skin, or watch the superbowl and gets Rams football skin, etc. Just the malgmation of franchisees in different products brings more people in I guess
All true of triple A games, but we've seen in the past years that indie games are where it's at, and absolutely no high school game student's dream vision includes a subscription service
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
Think about how much a subscription-based game service would cost. I don't use netflix because I play games, its a form of savings for me. If I had to pay 30 or 40 dollars a month to be able to play games on steam, that would very quickly add up to more than I've already spent on games throughout my time on PC. And what about for the people that already own a ton of content? Do they get refunds? Definitely not, I see this as nothing more than massive corporate greed and you should too.
2:32 Made it this far before deciding my original idea of buying horses or just the lowest tech option is the favorable one. While I doubt this, I will say that if it comes to this I'm finding a new hobby.
Same
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I won’t buy subscription services and games. If they all go that way, I’ll be perfectly fine playing my old games and ones that have been modded to have custom servers like old COD games on PC and Battlefront. I don’t think people realize how easy it is to not support any of this crap. I play a lot of COD and have over a 6 KD in Vanguard. I only buy the base game and never spend any additional money on the game. I don’t have any subscription streaming services. I don’t play any games that require constant purchases like Destiny or subscription games like WoW. I also only use software like DaVinci Resolve Studio and Affinity Photo that allow for one-time purchases (no subscription crap like Adobe) and open-source software like Blender.
Cutting out all of the crap has been the best decision ever.
Destiny is free bro. The story dlc may be paid, but it has a fuckton of content in it, you're only spending between 20-40 on it a year.
The great reset 2030
Gamepass would have to have 135million subs to make as much revenue as Xbox made last year(16.28billion), and that’s not including the 8.8 billion more that activision made last year. Right now gamepass is at about 25 million subs, which means that there is no way they can rely ONLY on a subscription base model(although it’s their focus). They will have to keep the option of having live service games, microtransactions and selling the game for the full $60 just because of how much it makes for them, and that’s assuming that they don’t want to keep those methods around.
Also, Nintendo continues to prove that as long as you’re in the business of selling games and consoles, all you really need to be a top competitor is to sell games that people love, not to sell the most powerful hardware, or have the greatest value, or even have great 3rd party support.
EDIT:
It’s worth noting that the number of subs needed is changed if they change the price of gamepass.
It’s also worth noting that my calculations were made assuming every subscriber paid the base $10 a month and not the $1 for three months or $15 for gamepass ultimate.
The car subscription stuff is ridiculous, this sounds like what they made fun of in south Park post COVID
I can see car companies charging for the app to start your car and to check your oil life etc, but it’s ridiculous that they are wanting to take features away from your car that you already paid for and charge a subscription for. Monthly subscription for heated seats/steering wheel is absurd.
Not lookin so hot right now. The only 1 to try it, a 3 trillion dollar company, is about to release all its games on competitors platforms because the subscription can't support the system
I have no problem with this, as long as the games actually work and are finished at launch
Well I hate this future subscription services is getting out of hand it's just everywhere
What I don’t like is that they could take out games you like sort of like Netflix removing the office or something like that
12pm PST on a sunday for a video release? I guess that works.
Can't wait for my Taco Bell Subscription.
3:04 actually if you look even further, there's WoW. First 20 levels are free, then you gotta subscribe to play the full game.
You would have to be a legit sped to sub to anything considering torrents exist. Even the PlayStation I stopped using because you’re paying enough for the internet, car insurance, rent, gas & electric and you don’t need to spend more if you can get the same thing for free via Steam, torrents, movie streaming sites or other means. These are all luxury items and if you want to be a shill consumer to the point of not bothering for workarounds for these things, then that’s just sad. These same people then question why they don’t have any money most of the time.
Cant wait for subscription only games
Wait. Did you explain what a publisher is? I have no idea.
12:33 Netflix has already some small-scale games that you can play on mobile
MMOs like World of Warcraft proved people will pay a monthly subscription instead of a one and done deal. Companies make a lot more money over time with this model and as you said it gives them more control as they can discontinue old franchises and force players to pay for new ones.
I don’t see a future because I’m over gaming pretty much
Another good game that has subscription service is iRacing. With the money they get from the subscription service, they can make more interesting racing series, add more interesting cars and host big community events. Even if the product may appear expensive for pro sim racers and professional teams since it is a subscription service, normal people would actually spend less money if they are just trying out how the best tire physics in the industry has to offer which I think is really nice. So I totally agree that subscription service is the future for big companies. But I am not sure how it would impact indie developers. I hope those service providers will sort that out.
Makes sense. Hope it doesn’t create more division between people though. Good video, Drif0r
Any game that's subscription only I won't be playing. Either I get to buy a game or I won't be playing it. I only play games I can own. I don't want to be unable to play the game I got massive amounts of progress in just because I haven't paid the monthly subscription fee. I'd effectively have to start paying monthly again in order to be able to continue my progress in that game. If I can't own the game, I'm not interested. Plus I have to put up with that lag and I can't play my single player games if my internet goes down? Not a chance...
Video games had a great future ahead... Now they only have a great past. And I am talking about triple A, not indie titles.
What about nintendo online subscriptions to play old games
Future of gaming is Play to Earn multiplayer
The whole world gone World of Warcraft
I am the rare one, I dont play enough games to warrent a sub service. I see it as paying money for something I wont ever use. So i likely wont buy Sub. I dont have game pass or anything like it. I buy a game and just play it in to the ground.
Ay r ur Testosterone levels good now? I think a vid with some sort of update for your levels would be dope.
Def a dark future for sure
Publishers have been gutshot, and publishers fired the gun.
Eh, I certainly hope not.🤷♂️ We already have so many subscriptions to various other companies/streaming services. Unless they are pumping out monthly content, I’m not paying monthly to play. lol It’s just that simple 😂🤷♂️
Microsoft's studios, like any other big publishers studios, would all be on a 'salary' so you have a 'fixed' wage bill, fixed expenditure (rates, rent, insurance etc) from each studio every month, with 'money' to 'hire' external staff (voice/mocap actors, studio time etc) adding to any monthly expenditure. That cost can be predicted every year and 'depending' on company policy, may find their annual pay-rise above inflation if Game Pass keeps growing because its the money coming in from Subscriptions that basically need to cover the costs of keeping those studio's happy, productive and creative.
Game Pass requires big games EVERY month to make new and keep existing Subscribers. Those games have to be games that the Studio's are passionate about and that gamers want to play - because that's what 'keeps' subscribers - not mediocre games - new, interesting 'big' games, Big IP games etc. It completely removes the commercial pressure, Having to hit so many sales to be consider 'successful', having to make yet another 'sequel', maybe lose your studio identity to get pulled into the 'big' IP etc - its all about Player numbers and Player Engagement and for Microsoft It's also about Subscriber growth - hence we only hear FH5 18m players, Halo 20m players etc instead of 'sales' numbers and why its the 'biggest' launch for both yet may not sell that many comparatively, hence we hear Game Pass has 25m+ subs, not how many consoles they sold...
I subscribe to game pass and quite like it. I think as long as there is an option to buy any game outright, it's fine. Putting a game only on a subscription would not be good, but I'm sure it's right around the corner.
at least with steam we will never be subjected to this corporate subscription trash
no shot Riot does subscriptions.
Just commenting to help the algorithm out for ya. Keep up your great work drift0r. Been a long time subscriber 👍🏿👍🏿
Always nice seeing you posted
The profit motive destroying gaming
Aged like fine wine.
If the cost is good I don’t see the problem. The issue would come if one company owned pretty much it all and then they can demand Comcast prices because where else you going to go? Otherwise for the price I pay for gamepass and the amount of games I play it’s way cheaper then buying the plastic disc that still requires online to at the very least update it day one that I don’t care I can’t pretend I completely own it in that it’s physically in my hand.
It’s just the next evolution, games have been $60 and now some $70 forever so we were either going to go the route of more expensive games or something like this.
I don’t see any issues currently, just comes down to whether or not our fair practice / trade laws or whatever the correct term is keep any one entity from controlling it all and then it’s up to them to pick a price enough people can afford to enjoy and they can remain profitable.
I'm just hoping they don't make it so expensive to sub to their services like how the game pass premium is it is the most I'll spend a month for it and if it becomes more than 20 I got a problem for that as it makes it less accessible for people on a budget
eventually you'll not even be buying consoles anymore just playing your games from the cloud.
You're the man Brad
I will never buy a car with subscription items
Or instead of buying Game Pass, just buy the games digitally and not be at the mercy of a subscription idk.
Seriously though, if we are going to enter a fully all digital era where the only way you can play games or something is by paying some subscription, we are really screwed. I know I probably sound like a conspiracy theorist to some when I say this (which I kinda am in this case), but find it odd how Bill Gates who owns Microsoft, has also been buying up a lot of farmland recently, as suddenly certain goods like eggs are becoming expensive due to Bird Flu? There are also people considering the idea of making us eat artificial lab-grown meat instead of the real thing. (Lab grown meat doesn’t sound so bad, but that could be easily altered, controlled, or go wrong in some way, not worth it) And now they’re pushing Game Pass hard as hell with the World Economic Forum: “You will own nothing, and you will be happy”? I mean this is getting very fishy.
I hope not!
Look example of Warzone 1 skins cant transfer to Warzone 2. Wasted that you dont "own". If the games almost died out, they are will be Warzone 3
There is a lot of evidence that something going on with GameStop and Microsoft as well as immutable X for an NFT/gaming marketplace. Loopring is also involved in some capacity. It seems to me that it’s all going to be integrated somehow. There is definitely some major changes in the gaming industry going on behind the scenes.
I feel like it's already a subscription service
I'm in a wait and see mode
I just hope it doesn't end up like TV where the only way to play a game is to subscribe to x service. Sorry but I'm already swamped with subscriptions and I'm old school. I like to own the games I play. Btw I swear if someday I have to pay monthly to unlock my damn truck I will never buy a new one lol
Bungie remains creative and publishing independence under Sony.
That means no Playstation exclusive titles, and there were no plans for a Destiny 3, and that's not changing under Sony.
Honestly, I really enjoy game pass, yes I’m paying each month via the subscription but I can get whatever games many of which I would pay $60-$70 for upfront. The subscription being $15 a month is $180 a year. If I wanted to purchase 12 games (just to make the math simple) that totals to $720 in games not including Xbox live subscription to play online. Microsoft hit a home run with this model and I just hope they maintain the $15 a month subscription.
This is going to be weird. BTW, should look up right to repair if anyone is reading this that hasn't for some of the car stuff noted.
Great video! Very informative