Does shad get to summon tyranth as like an assist trophy of spirit summon? If so then yeah shad wins easily, though I think he can take the 1v1 just it’d have to be the ver fast due to shads poor health.
Robin wins imo, dude trains with all kinds of weapons, not just dumb fencing swords (no offense to non-douchy fencers, unlike David) but I do think there's merit in having experience with multiple weapon styles.
I agree Robinsword would kick his butt, but I’m not sure what David is doing is a youtube act. Hell, this whole beef between Shad Brooks and David is probably half way an act because both have expressing dicculties keeping their channels going and this attracts a ton of attention to themselves
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 I agree more weapons is good in general, but Sellswords seems like he's pretty comfortable using longsword and other common swords in HEMA. Also seems a little faster, but I'd like to watch that as well.
9:02 Man, I remember watching the crap out of Deadliest Warrior when I was young. I often disagreed with some of the methods and conclusions but the premise of the show was phenomenal. Seeing how much thought you put into the hypothetical matchup video I can see you improving on the DW formula.
Deadliest Warrior was supposed to be entertaining, I think it did great in what it was supposed to do, like showing us some historical stuff (it was the first time I saw a Chu Ko Nu in action), and it yielded some interesting results, I remember I was shocked when "Vlad's" arbalest crossbow wouldn't pierce the breastplate for example in the very same episode and threw everything out of the window I thought I knew about armor and ranged weapons in medieval times.
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman I can imagine it can be very time-consuming. Though I hope that eventually, you'll find time to realize your idea. Fingers crossed.
if the two of them are interested and willing. you could probably do it at a renaissance festival if youre only recording, or in an arena if youre wanting to live stream it. this is very duable and could truly be fun.
Your previous video was amazing and there will always be unhappy voices, I appreciate your dedication to it and how well you analyzed and brought forward your ideas. You might have taken Shad and Skallagrim to boost your channel, but you show that you have the talent and the exposure suits you well, so I hope both you and your ideas of are going to grow well in the community, definitely looking forward to your next analysis!
Im curious who that individual was that Matt already faced? As much as I like Metatron or Lindybeige, I know there's not much footage. Between that era, I want to see how Lindybeige vs Thrand. A re-enactor vs an SCA fighter. The only matchup I wanted to see was Matt vs Sellswords! Great job and keep up the amazing work!
An instructor and UA-camr for London Longsword Academy who also teaches predominantly based on Italian sources (Fiore and Marozzo, as I understand it).
I understand not wanting to get stuck doing the same thing but you managed to capture something very special with the Shad vs Skall video. The level of analysis and reconstruction, even going so far as to have people mimic styles, is what really sold the video. By making that formula your main attraction, you can gain a following and then branch out later, kind of like MatPat did with his theory channels. Just my 2 pennies
You don't have to organize the fight yourself, because it can be such a logistical nightmare. The various UA-cam boxing promotions would probably be happy to have them fence there. They'll cover the expenses, create exposure, and give fans an opportunity to watch them in an arena
Seeing the dedication to fair and detailed analysis of the VS video I would be very keen to see more. All of the suggestions you've made here for potential videos sound good to me. I'm not sure of the practicality of it, but if you're able to get in contact with other youtubers in the sword-space, it might make for an interesting watch to have a casual chat with them about a recorded spar/tournament/what-have-you of theirs and break it down together. And now off to start watching through the back catalogue of videos here.
Incase I didn't make it clear in my comment on the first vodeo. (Which maybe i didn't because I was to busy fanboying for skall.) I appreciate you bro! Thank you 🤘 the video was awesome. Very interesting, entertaining and informative. Please keep making videos. Not just stuff like this one,but please share more swordsmanship and hema tips. My favorite video of yours is the sword vs spear video. That was cool 🤘 Did you happen to see the ultimate self defense challenge on martial arts journey? That sort of format but with sword you tubers would be cool to see. Also I'm into viking combat and I would be interested to see more of what you guys are doing and your philosophy about it. Once again thank you. I appreciate your effort🤘
I watched every Deadliest Warrior episode, watched the fanmade Deadliest Podcast where they even managed to intrrview lots of the cast, and watched the ThegnThrand breakdown vids. That show was just pure fun and passion.
Didn't it have a _little_ more value than that? IIRC, most of the cutting/stabbing/shooting tests were well-formed enough to give an indication of a weapon's potential for inflicting injury. They were worlds away from valid science and proved absolutely nothing other than the show's abject failure at providing anything resembling meaningful comparison, but they did seem to suggest the location of the proverbial ballpark. However, I only saw a few episodes a very long time ago, back when I was a lot more ignorant, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that my memory is unreliable and the "testing" was every bit as ridiculous as the "simulations" I mostly skipped and the "conclusions" I always chuckled at.
@@irrelevantfish1978 mhh, it was probably the best anyone had access to at the time. You know how every UA-camr in the historical weapons community will start of their videos with a laundry list of caveats. Their experimental tests or extrapolations from experience are to be taken with a grain of salt and not mistaken for science. UA-camrs will tell you that because they wanna decide defuse any potential shitstorm from people who disagree with their methods or conclusions, but honestly, most of UA-cam is not even as good as Deadliest Warrior. Their biggest problem was portrayihg their speculation as authoritative and taking it too seriously
@@MarcRitzMD I can't speak for the motivations behind UA-camrs caveats for their tests, but I find that simply knowing what might affect the results can often teach me something new. In fact, I found the caveats in the "Arrows vs. Armor" videos interesting enough that even if that was _all_ they'd put in the video, I still would've thoroughly enjoyed it. IMO, the discussion of heat-treatment of historical arrowheads alone would've made it worth watching. And seeing that in plaintext makes me realize I'm even more of an ultra-nerd than I thought. 😊
I think it would be fantastic for the HEMA community if shad and Skallagrim did do a tournament for charity. Isn’t that nobility at its finest? There is also Oscar and Björn who I think could be very interesting , granted it would probably be best with the great sword comparison.
I did like your vs. video and I certainly appreciate the effort you put into it. Though Deadliest Warrior is really bad I do think it help spark the sword community to grow and that its poor demonstrations is what motivated others to make their own videos on it. I think the deadliest warrior concept is a very good idea. It sparks debate because no matter how scientific you get it there will be variables that just can't be quantified. With debate comes interaction which pleases the algorithm gods.
Im sure there are people around you with the same interests. It may be up to you to start one! Thats how HEMA clubs are created. Maybe start off as a study group, get into physical application of interpretations, and you will eventually grow into a full fledged club.
Deadliest Warrior: Caveman vs F-35 pilot. "Well the club gives the caveman a major advantage up close, I'm going to have to give him the edge on this one".
So, in the poll, I actually voted Shad, but watching the video changed my mind. My assumption was that Shad & Skall are about equal in skill, & Shad is bigger, giving him an edge. I don't watch Shad, so I don't know how in-shape he is, but I know Skall often says he isn't. And I hear his point that it's a complicated question & we can't really know without seeing it, plus it has to be repeated, yeah, yeah, but I think your analysis is about as good as it gets short of that. I particularly thought the probability computation was a really impressive solution I wouldn't have thought of. It's interesting you say Deadliest Warrior sucked because I thought your method really reminded me of it. I'd be interested in seeing you go over the differences. I definitely agree with you on Death Battle, though I wasn't expecting a Death Battle dunk. The difficult thing with fictional characters is writers & artists aren't always consistent with themselves, let alone each other. Last I saw, it seemed the hosts were dropping the schtick that they're doing an "objective scientific analysis." I wouldn't know, since I haven't been watching it for other reasons, but I hope they stick with that change.
Hey, maybe you could make a hypothetical HEMA match but let's say a HEMA youtuber like Skall or Matt Easton versus some HMB (IMCF/Battle of the Nations) guy? I vote for Krzysztof Szatecki or Maricn Waszkielis (a ton of footage of these two guys around). Would love to see your analysis of the HMB style of dueling without any bias that usually exists between HEMA and HMB communities. Could provide a very nice case study for a "wild" fighter.
For a historical match (which also covers the east vs west of longsword vs katana, how about John Silver vs Miyamoto Musashi, both have a bunch of experience, wrote down their insight of combat, had a wide arsenal of weapons and lived about the same time(?)
. I really like Death Battle because it is simplistic and just numbers. I also Love Deadliest Warrior because it really introduced me to looking deeper into other cultures. I will agree it is a bad show, but without it I might not have ever looked into the Ming dynasty... among others. Also, if you guys did have a tournament it would be fun and amazing. Though it would need to be more like a tournament with Some famous UA-camrs... so, noobs, practitioner experts and everyone in-between.
Just gonna note on the topic of Death Battle (Or Vs Battle or general powerscaling sites or channels) using raw data is a lot more viable in those scenarios due to how often the sheer gap in strength speed ect is between twocharacters. With characters often being hundreds if not thousands of times stronger of faster than their compared opponent. It's why for example, you don't to really worry about things like "Technique" or "Fighting style" or "Preferred openings" when trying to judge if Muhammed Ali could beat an angry Polar Bear. The Polar Bear simply outclasses him in raw ability. With fencing however, those things ARE much more important, because we're talking about two human beings. Neither one of whom can just utterly outclass the other in terms of raw stats. Thus the minutia is much more important.
I disagree. Superman is a prime example. Hes easily one of the most powerful characters ever made, and yet he gets himself beat up by opponents who don't have nearly the overall ability to keep up with him. Theres a lot of reasons for that. For example Pre-Crisis Superman would sometimes forget that hes invincible. His superhuman reflexes and speed alone should make him untouchable, and yet he doesnt always use it in combat, getting himself in trouble. He gets tagged by enemies that should appear like slo-motion to him. You have to look at these things when buildiing a fight. Power levels dont tell the whole story.
That hema creator clash could be really good for the sport, but i don't think having two beginners as the title card would be a very good showing for it. Perhaps having them face of earlier in the event, and then following it up with the title fight being Sellswordarts v Robinswords (I would suggest Matt Easton for the title fight, but seeing as he's a bit more accomplished than most comparably sized youtubers in the space, it might not get the biggest draw, or may be a bit unbalanced)
@@theamericannestormakhno2360 Not really, it is only Skall and Matt, and the reason for that is their different political beliefs, a real shame. I hope they can get out of their political bubble some day again and enjoy historical content together.
The only issue I have with your analysis is that it seems as if you're assuming that neither of them knows anything about the other and they're sort of meeting for the first time. I think that's a fair model as far as it goes but I also think that if they ever were to fight they'd both know about it well in advance. As such they'd probably be much more cagey than what you've described, each of them having had time to think. They would develop a bespoke strategy for each other, rather than just using their off the rack style, if you like. And I gotta say a formal fencing school might be a pretty good place to come up with such a strategy. Like probably the actual ideal place.
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman Right but I don't imagine Shad would have much interest in a HEMA tournament. Anyway this is my point; I think that people who object tot your analysis would mainly have cause to object to the context you're presenting for analysis.
@@mnorris790 That's fine. It doesn't bother me. Take what you want from it. Or nothing if you want something else. There's no way for me to predict how people are going to prepare for somebody, Or what degree that would affect things. In advance I can only go off of what they show.
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman with respect I feel as if the data driven approach would have been more productive with a bigger data set. Now granted that's always true but I think you take my point here.
While I really enjoyed both the comparison video and this follow-up, for me, I suspect that I'd find more "Person vs. Person" videos redundant. Seeing how someone with actual skill might evaluate another fencer was fascinating, but the "who would win" aspect doesn't interest me. Similarly, while I'd love to see comparisons of weapon types and/or fencing schools, I'm less interested in an evaluation of which is better than how each weapon/school might triumph in a face-off (eg, comparison of pros/cons/features, evaluation of the ways they interact, etc).
The closest I've had The Metatron, Skallagrim, Lyndibeige, Matt Easton and Shadiversity fight in a medieval duel, is by creating them in the game called Bloody Bastards 😂 I'm also writing a story. I would love to know what you are cooking ⚔️
"Who would win" is the least interesting part of this fascinating video. I feel that I learned things by watching this analysis of two real world sword fighters than I learned from years of watching "how to" videos online. The difference in their styles and how they respond to people with different styles, plus the fact that these two have styles that are very common, I've gone up against both types many times... Please, another video. I don't care who it is.
3:37 Dude, the popular thing in middle school was to make fun of this show. (I am a literal child I know.) Everyone knows it sucked, but it didn't matter because it was fun and it was basically conversations everyone already had with their buddies anyway, but just trying to prove them. I remember even in middle school having some serious complaints more than once. That being said, I will never, ever forget the time I spent with my dad watching the show. Good times.
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman I did learn one thing from that show, and that is exactly where to hit someone to kill them quickly. The doctor they had on the show was pretty good to my recollection, but that might be wrong. It's been some time since I've seen it. 🤣
I would be interested to see you ideas on weapon comparison. I do have to say though, my biggest issue with Katana vs Longsword videos is that the person talking basically never has a proper understanding of the both weapons or their associated systems. Many people speak with authority about things like katana blade length and compare it to a feder without realizing that the modern katana took form in the 17th century and it is quite different from earlier japanese swords. Likewise most feders have a 100cm blade, and while this does exist on original longswords, many of them were quite a bit shorter. So from the beginning the matchup is biased and anachronistic. It would be a lot more interesting to compare something like a 15th century tachi to a longsword or kriegsmesser. This doesn’t even get into issues of the differences between European and Japanese systems which is a whole different can of worms.
I have to preface this by saying no hate here, this is just my own critique and my own two cents coming from a total amateur! That said, I'm gonna have to agree to disagree - just having watched both of them, and your video - I definitely think what we are seeing is an amateur vs an intermediate fencer. I don't believe that Skall wins 100% or totally dominates, but I definitely think the edge he would have would been such that Shad would have a high probability of losing - and that's using the evidence you presented. I just ultimately disagreed with the way you interpreted it. The well was poisoned, so to speak - Shad going up against his buds and one single tournament gives a very different image of him, vs Skall going up against people in schools and tournies. So when you draw numbers from one and the other and then apply them, well, the sources are so different it renders the numbers not super usable. You did try to weigh against that issue by having other methods of determination, so kudos for that! Again, just my two cents, but keep doing what you're doing and keep having fun! Cheers!
Honestly, unless Skall wanted to make a good show of it I'm almost certain he would dominate. I don't think Shad could respond in any way to simple distance play and hand sniping. He just hasn't displayed any actual ability to setup and execute a game plan. Skall would just be able to retreat, control distance and snipe at the hands when Shad goes for his lunge/cut thing. It wouldn't be an interesting match, but it would be very one sided.
Whether you were right, or accurate, is not really he point. Th point was that thevideo was well done and very entertaining! That is why I liked and subscribed!!! Oh, and the dog is very cute and she's a very pretty girl. Give her a good belly rub from me.
I can appreciate what you were trying to do with your data based approach, but that data was too heavily skewed. For example you rate their attack success based on how many times they hit someone in their sparring footage. Except that Skallagrim was sparring against experienced tournament fighters while Shad was fighting against his LARP buddies in the park and one HEMA beginner who he roped into humoring him. And I see what you are getting at by saying that experience does not equal power level. Sure, someone with less experience can beat someone more experienced (I do it all the time in HEMA). But when we are talking about someone with years of experience with competitive HEMA fencers vs someone with virtually no experience in HEMA...and we are talking about a HEMA match…yeah. That’s not something you can just brush off. And Skall has faced a mix of advanced fencers and beginners so I don’t think he’s going to be a surprised to face a beginner as Shad will be to face someone with experience. Ultimately I enjoyed your vids but no so sure I can get behind your metrics.
@@LuxisAlukard Metatron is Italian, it is very expensive for Shad and he was there recently to fulfill his dream, but he would likely take another trip if the event sponsors the flights. I don't know if Skallagrim would enjoy the flight though
@@Chraan Metatron moved to US some time ago, I'm not sure where. And they would all probably want to come to UK (both Shad and Metatron already did), but all of them at the same time...
Both Skall and Shad have interesting channels, both are charismatic and fun, but what they lack (and all history or HEMAtubers) is they are not very mathy. I am 100% for fun with more scientific approach.
Could you do more of these "vs fights" please?
Next dream match : How many HEMAtubers could Master Fiore take in a fight
Fiore dei Liberi? Probably all of them
@@VK-sz4it why so?
@@Pilgrim98 Probably same reason why professional spec ops would win painball and strikeball players.
@@VK-sz4it wouldn't Fiore be the spec op in this equation, though?
@@Pilgrim98 correct
Now do shad vs sellsword art
Rofl
Does shad get to summon tyranth as like an assist trophy of spirit summon?
If so then yeah shad wins easily, though I think he can take the 1v1 just it’d have to be the ver fast due to shads poor health.
😂 We just going down the list are we? Cool. I love it
sellswords wins
LMAO
Next do Sellsword Arts vs Robinswords. I think that might be interesting
I would pay to watch thay
Robin wins imo, dude trains with all kinds of weapons, not just dumb fencing swords (no offense to non-douchy fencers, unlike David) but I do think there's merit in having experience with multiple weapon styles.
I was just about to type that and I saw that someone has already suggested it ! :D
I agree Robinsword would kick his butt, but I’m not sure what David is doing is a youtube act. Hell, this whole beef between Shad Brooks and David is probably half way an act because both have expressing dicculties keeping their channels going and this attracts a ton of attention to themselves
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 I agree more weapons is good in general, but Sellswords seems like he's pretty comfortable using longsword and other common swords in HEMA. Also seems a little faster, but I'd like to watch that as well.
9:02 Man, I remember watching the crap out of Deadliest Warrior when I was young. I often disagreed with some of the methods and conclusions but the premise of the show was phenomenal.
Seeing how much thought you put into the hypothetical matchup video I can see you improving on the DW formula.
Deadliest Warrior was supposed to be entertaining, I think it did great in what it was supposed to do, like showing us some historical stuff (it was the first time I saw a Chu Ko Nu in action), and it yielded some interesting results, I remember I was shocked when "Vlad's" arbalest crossbow wouldn't pierce the breastplate for example in the very same episode and threw everything out of the window I thought I knew about armor and ranged weapons in medieval times.
The fights were what really ruined that show for me. I have the resources to put together something better i think. It'll take a lot of time though
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman I can imagine it can be very time-consuming. Though I hope that eventually, you'll find time to realize your idea. Fingers crossed.
if the two of them are interested and willing. you could probably do it at a renaissance festival if youre only recording, or in an arena if youre wanting to live stream it. this is very duable and could truly be fun.
Your previous video was amazing and there will always be unhappy voices, I appreciate your dedication to it and how well you analyzed and brought forward your ideas. You might have taken Shad and Skallagrim to boost your channel, but you show that you have the talent and the exposure suits you well, so I hope both you and your ideas of are going to grow well in the community, definitely looking forward to your next analysis!
I love the weapon vs weapon breakdown idea. I'd start there. Longsword vs Katana might be a good starting point too.
Im curious who that individual was that Matt already faced?
As much as I like Metatron or Lindybeige, I know there's not much footage. Between that era, I want to see how Lindybeige vs Thrand. A re-enactor vs an SCA fighter.
The only matchup I wanted to see was Matt vs Sellswords! Great job and keep up the amazing work!
An instructor and UA-camr for London Longsword Academy who also teaches predominantly based on Italian sources (Fiore and Marozzo, as I understand it).
Paul Wagner, head of stocatta school of defense.
I understand not wanting to get stuck doing the same thing but you managed to capture something very special with the Shad vs Skall video. The level of analysis and reconstruction, even going so far as to have people mimic styles, is what really sold the video. By making that formula your main attraction, you can gain a following and then branch out later, kind of like MatPat did with his theory channels. Just my 2 pennies
You don't have to organize the fight yourself, because it can be such a logistical nightmare. The various UA-cam boxing promotions would probably be happy to have them fence there. They'll cover the expenses, create exposure, and give fans an opportunity to watch them in an arena
I really enjoyed the video made. I'll keep an eye out for more stuff
I hope youre able to start a new trend with this. Its fun and it can introduce people to new channels
Seeing the dedication to fair and detailed analysis of the VS video I would be very keen to see more. All of the suggestions you've made here for potential videos sound good to me. I'm not sure of the practicality of it, but if you're able to get in contact with other youtubers in the sword-space, it might make for an interesting watch to have a casual chat with them about a recorded spar/tournament/what-have-you of theirs and break it down together. And now off to start watching through the back catalogue of videos here.
very cool, I loved the follow up. I find you are a very fair person, I'd love to see more
Incase I didn't make it clear in my comment on the first vodeo. (Which maybe i didn't because I was to busy fanboying for skall.)
I appreciate you bro! Thank you 🤘 the video was awesome. Very interesting, entertaining and informative. Please keep making videos. Not just stuff like this one,but please share more swordsmanship and hema tips. My favorite video of yours is the sword vs spear video. That was cool 🤘
Did you happen to see the ultimate self defense challenge on martial arts journey? That sort of format but with sword you tubers would be cool to see.
Also I'm into viking combat and I would be interested to see more of what you guys are doing and your philosophy about it.
Once again thank you. I appreciate your effort🤘
I watched every Deadliest Warrior episode, watched the fanmade Deadliest Podcast where they even managed to intrrview lots of the cast, and watched the ThegnThrand breakdown vids. That show was just pure fun and passion.
Didn't it have a _little_ more value than that? IIRC, most of the cutting/stabbing/shooting tests were well-formed enough to give an indication of a weapon's potential for inflicting injury. They were worlds away from valid science and proved absolutely nothing other than the show's abject failure at providing anything resembling meaningful comparison, but they did seem to suggest the location of the proverbial ballpark.
However, I only saw a few episodes a very long time ago, back when I was a lot more ignorant, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that my memory is unreliable and the "testing" was every bit as ridiculous as the "simulations" I mostly skipped and the "conclusions" I always chuckled at.
@@irrelevantfish1978 mhh, it was probably the best anyone had access to at the time. You know how every UA-camr in the historical weapons community will start of their videos with a laundry list of caveats. Their experimental tests or extrapolations from experience are to be taken with a grain of salt and not mistaken for science.
UA-camrs will tell you that because they wanna decide defuse any potential shitstorm from people who disagree with their methods or conclusions, but honestly, most of UA-cam is not even as good as Deadliest Warrior. Their biggest problem was portrayihg their speculation as authoritative and taking it too seriously
@@MarcRitzMD I can't speak for the motivations behind UA-camrs caveats for their tests, but I find that simply knowing what might affect the results can often teach me something new.
In fact, I found the caveats in the "Arrows vs. Armor" videos interesting enough that even if that was _all_ they'd put in the video, I still would've thoroughly enjoyed it. IMO, the discussion of heat-treatment of historical arrowheads alone would've made it worth watching.
And seeing that in plaintext makes me realize I'm even more of an ultra-nerd than I thought. 😊
I think it would be fantastic for the HEMA community if shad and Skallagrim did do a tournament for charity. Isn’t that nobility at its finest? There is also Oscar and Björn who I think could be very interesting , granted it would probably be best with the great sword comparison.
I'm looking forward to your future work.
Also your outro music is top tier.
Great video. If you are able to get sparing matches between small and shad see if sell tickets with proceeds going to charities pick by the winner
I really enjoyed this data analysis experiment
Do your dog vs Cat Easton
Hey, I hear you're working on a graphic novel and that you're also working on a graphic novel!
lol i am!
I did like your vs. video and I certainly appreciate the effort you put into it. Though Deadliest Warrior is really bad I do think it help spark the sword community to grow and that its poor demonstrations is what motivated others to make their own videos on it.
I think the deadliest warrior concept is a very good idea. It sparks debate because no matter how scientific you get it there will be variables that just can't be quantified. With debate comes interaction which pleases the algorithm gods.
What would win? All the fancy swords, or a long pointy stick?
I’ve been self practicing for above two years. I’d love to join a group of some sort unfortunately their not many known ways to join one
Im sure there are people around you with the same interests. It may be up to you to start one! Thats how HEMA clubs are created. Maybe start off as a study group, get into physical application of interpretations, and you will eventually grow into a full fledged club.
Deadliest Warrior: Caveman vs F-35 pilot. "Well the club gives the caveman a major advantage up close, I'm going to have to give him the edge on this one".
So, in the poll, I actually voted Shad, but watching the video changed my mind. My assumption was that Shad & Skall are about equal in skill, & Shad is bigger, giving him an edge. I don't watch Shad, so I don't know how in-shape he is, but I know Skall often says he isn't. And I hear his point that it's a complicated question & we can't really know without seeing it, plus it has to be repeated, yeah, yeah, but I think your analysis is about as good as it gets short of that. I particularly thought the probability computation was a really impressive solution I wouldn't have thought of.
It's interesting you say Deadliest Warrior sucked because I thought your method really reminded me of it. I'd be interested in seeing you go over the differences. I definitely agree with you on Death Battle, though I wasn't expecting a Death Battle dunk. The difficult thing with fictional characters is writers & artists aren't always consistent with themselves, let alone each other. Last I saw, it seemed the hosts were dropping the schtick that they're doing an "objective scientific analysis." I wouldn't know, since I haven't been watching it for other reasons, but I hope they stick with that change.
Your video was great 😊
Hey, maybe you could make a hypothetical HEMA match but let's say a HEMA youtuber like Skall or Matt Easton versus some HMB (IMCF/Battle of the Nations) guy? I vote for Krzysztof Szatecki or Maricn Waszkielis (a ton of footage of these two guys around). Would love to see your analysis of the HMB style of dueling without any bias that usually exists between HEMA and HMB communities.
Could provide a very nice case study for a "wild" fighter.
Swordsmen settling differences by sword fighting? 😯
For a historical match (which also covers the east vs west of longsword vs katana, how about John Silver vs Miyamoto Musashi, both have a bunch of experience, wrote down their insight of combat, had a wide arsenal of weapons and lived about the same time(?)
I would love to see a real duel between the two. Skallagrim better take Shad’s offer.
Shad offered to spar with Skall? When did I miss that? 🤔
At 0:36 he shows Shad’s comment on the previous video. He says that he would do it for charity.
. I really like Death Battle because it is simplistic and just numbers. I also Love Deadliest Warrior because it really introduced me to looking deeper into other cultures. I will agree it is a bad show, but without it I might not have ever looked into the Ming dynasty... among others.
Also, if you guys did have a tournament it would be fun and amazing. Though it would need to be more like a tournament with Some famous UA-camrs... so, noobs, practitioner experts and everyone in-between.
Epic Deadliest Swordtuber of History, who's next? Can you decide?
ERB?
@@shinjiikari1021 Yes ERB but with some of the Deadliest Swordtuber lol
VARANGIAN GUARD VS GALLOWGLASS
Did he always rickroll us at the end of every video? 😆
couldn't help myself!
do it goku vs super man lets gooooo !!!
Just gonna note on the topic of Death Battle (Or Vs Battle or general powerscaling sites or channels) using raw data is a lot more viable in those scenarios due to how often the sheer gap in strength speed ect is between twocharacters. With characters often being hundreds if not thousands of times stronger of faster than their compared opponent. It's why for example, you don't to really worry about things like "Technique" or "Fighting style" or "Preferred openings" when trying to judge if Muhammed Ali could beat an angry Polar Bear. The Polar Bear simply outclasses him in raw ability.
With fencing however, those things ARE much more important, because we're talking about two human beings. Neither one of whom can just utterly outclass the other in terms of raw stats. Thus the minutia is much more important.
I disagree. Superman is a prime example. Hes easily one of the most powerful characters ever made, and yet he gets himself beat up by opponents who don't have nearly the overall ability to keep up with him. Theres a lot of reasons for that. For example Pre-Crisis Superman would sometimes forget that hes invincible. His superhuman reflexes and speed alone should make him untouchable, and yet he doesnt always use it in combat, getting himself in trouble. He gets tagged by enemies that should appear like slo-motion to him. You have to look at these things when buildiing a fight. Power levels dont tell the whole story.
That hema creator clash could be really good for the sport, but i don't think having two beginners as the title card would be a very good showing for it. Perhaps having them face of earlier in the event, and then following it up with the title fight being Sellswordarts v Robinswords (I would suggest Matt Easton for the title fight, but seeing as he's a bit more accomplished than most comparably sized youtubers in the space, it might not get the biggest draw, or may be a bit unbalanced)
i love the idea of shad and skall actually sparing it would be a dream to see that happen
I don't care if Shad was joking, I take this as a definite "YES!" from him, now we only need a reply from Skallagrim
Skallagrim doesn't like Shad so it probably won't happen. Most people are choosing to disassociate with Shad
@@theamericannestormakhno2360 Not really, it is only Skall and Matt, and the reason for that is their different political beliefs, a real shame. I hope they can get out of their political bubble some day again and enjoy historical content together.
@Chraan no it's because of the hate speech and the f**ked up sexual stuff in his book. Shad is a sixk person
@@Chraan what about Tod and the entire HEMA community in Australia?
Do some fictional fencers.
You had my sub before now you’ve earned my bell click
We gotta make gamer UA-camrs fight
NGL think i wanna see where this channel go.
The only issue I have with your analysis is that it seems as if you're assuming that neither of them knows anything about the other and they're sort of meeting for the first time. I think that's a fair model as far as it goes but I also think that if they ever were to fight they'd both know about it well in advance. As such they'd probably be much more cagey than what you've described, each of them having had time to think. They would develop a bespoke strategy for each other, rather than just using their off the rack style, if you like. And I gotta say a formal fencing school might be a pretty good place to come up with such a strategy. Like probably the actual ideal place.
Not if the encounter was a match during a tournament, where you have too many opponents to worry about to study just one.
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman Right but I don't imagine Shad would have much interest in a HEMA tournament. Anyway this is my point; I think that people who object tot your analysis would mainly have cause to object to the context you're presenting for analysis.
@@mnorris790 That's fine. It doesn't bother me. Take what you want from it. Or nothing if you want something else. There's no way for me to predict how people are going to prepare for somebody, Or what degree that would affect things.
In advance I can only go off of what they show.
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman with respect I feel as if the data driven approach would have been more productive with a bigger data set. Now granted that's always true but I think you take my point here.
I dont know enouph to say who'd win the fight, but im pretty sure that pupper is winning everyones hearts
she is a cutie
Yeah she wins 😊
While I really enjoyed both the comparison video and this follow-up, for me, I suspect that I'd find more "Person vs. Person" videos redundant. Seeing how someone with actual skill might evaluate another fencer was fascinating, but the "who would win" aspect doesn't interest me.
Similarly, while I'd love to see comparisons of weapon types and/or fencing schools, I'm less interested in an evaluation of which is better than how each weapon/school might triumph in a face-off (eg, comparison of pros/cons/features, evaluation of the ways they interact, etc).
+1 for the dog
The closest I've had The Metatron, Skallagrim, Lyndibeige, Matt Easton and Shadiversity fight in a medieval duel, is by creating them in the game called Bloody Bastards 😂
I'm also writing a story. I would love to know what you are cooking ⚔️
"Who would win" is the least interesting part of this fascinating video. I feel that I learned things by watching this analysis of two real world sword fighters than I learned from years of watching "how to" videos online. The difference in their styles and how they respond to people with different styles, plus the fact that these two have styles that are very common, I've gone up against both types many times...
Please, another video. I don't care who it is.
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Dude, the popular thing in middle school was to make fun of this show.
(I am a literal child I know.)
Everyone knows it sucked, but it didn't matter because it was fun and it was basically conversations everyone already had with their buddies anyway, but just trying to prove them.
I remember even in middle school having some serious complaints more than once.
That being said, I will never, ever forget the time I spent with my dad watching the show.
Good times.
back then there wasnt much to watch if you had interest in these things. So yea you gotta give the show its flowers
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman I did learn one thing from that show, and that is exactly where to hit someone to kill them quickly.
The doctor they had on the show was pretty good to my recollection, but that might be wrong.
It's been some time since I've seen it.
🤣
I would be interested to see you ideas on weapon comparison. I do have to say though, my biggest issue with Katana vs Longsword videos is that the person talking basically never has a proper understanding of the both weapons or their associated systems.
Many people speak with authority about things like katana blade length and compare it to a feder without realizing that the modern katana took form in the 17th century and it is quite different from earlier japanese swords. Likewise most feders have a 100cm blade, and while this does exist on original longswords, many of them were quite a bit shorter. So from the beginning the matchup is biased and anachronistic. It would be a lot more interesting to compare something like a 15th century tachi to a longsword or kriegsmesser.
This doesn’t even get into issues of the differences between European and Japanese systems which is a whole different can of worms.
I have to preface this by saying no hate here, this is just my own critique and my own two cents coming from a total amateur!
That said, I'm gonna have to agree to disagree - just having watched both of them, and your video - I definitely think what we are seeing is an amateur vs an intermediate fencer. I don't believe that Skall wins 100% or totally dominates, but I definitely think the edge he would have would been such that Shad would have a high probability of losing - and that's using the evidence you presented. I just ultimately disagreed with the way you interpreted it. The well was poisoned, so to speak - Shad going up against his buds and one single tournament gives a very different image of him, vs Skall going up against people in schools and tournies. So when you draw numbers from one and the other and then apply them, well, the sources are so different it renders the numbers not super usable. You did try to weigh against that issue by having other methods of determination, so kudos for that! Again, just my two cents, but keep doing what you're doing and keep having fun! Cheers!
Skallagrim would also crush Shad in a political debate. Do that next.
Honestly, unless Skall wanted to make a good show of it I'm almost certain he would dominate. I don't think Shad could respond in any way to simple distance play and hand sniping. He just hasn't displayed any actual ability to setup and execute a game plan. Skall would just be able to retreat, control distance and snipe at the hands when Shad goes for his lunge/cut thing.
It wouldn't be an interesting match, but it would be very one sided.
it definitely does not offend me that you disagree. Your interpretation is completely valid
Whether you were right, or accurate, is not really he point. Th point was that thevideo was well done and very entertaining! That is why I liked and subscribed!!! Oh, and the dog is very cute and she's a very pretty girl. Give her a good belly rub from me.
will do!
Here me out Jack Sparrow vs Zorro
Zorro all the way. Don’t get me wrong, I love Jack Sparrow.
thankyou for fussing the dogo for me.. Whos a good girl!
The dog is winning
I can appreciate what you were trying to do with your data based approach, but that data was too heavily skewed. For example you rate their attack success based on how many times they hit someone in their sparring footage. Except that Skallagrim was sparring against experienced tournament fighters while Shad was fighting against his LARP buddies in the park and one HEMA beginner who he roped into humoring him.
And I see what you are getting at by saying that experience does not equal power level. Sure, someone with less experience can beat someone more experienced (I do it all the time in HEMA). But when we are talking about someone with years of experience with competitive HEMA fencers vs someone with virtually no experience in HEMA...and we are talking about a HEMA match…yeah. That’s not something you can just brush off. And Skall has faced a mix of advanced fencers and beginners so I don’t think he’s going to be a surprised to face a beginner as Shad will be to face someone with experience.
Ultimately I enjoyed your vids but no so sure I can get behind your metrics.
Swordtubers duel for charity? Well, that would be easiest in UK, but Skall, Metatron and Shad probably wouldn't participate...
Why would they not?
@@Chraan Canada, US, Australia. Not impossible, but highly unlikely
@@LuxisAlukard Metatron is Italian, it is very expensive for Shad and he was there recently to fulfill his dream, but he would likely take another trip if the event sponsors the flights. I don't know if Skallagrim would enjoy the flight though
@@Chraan Metatron moved to US some time ago, I'm not sure where. And they would all probably want to come to UK (both Shad and Metatron already did), but all of them at the same time...
Toby Capwell and Matt Easton have an armoured melee event setup.
I'd love to meet all the guys there 🙂
Skallagrim sleeps with a troglodyte.
Nobody saw a dog in their lives or something? It is not necessary to watch someones pet all day...
Just let people have their fun. I don't like dogs, but I have my own weird fetishes, so I respect the weird fetishes of others : )
@Nemchick maybe you need a dog. it would help you feel less irritated when watching other people enjoy something
Dogs are the best
Skall is a Swodman, Shad is a poser wannabe.
Next, Sellsword Art vs Dequitem! I'd bet on the latter, however.
Both Skall and Shad have interesting channels, both are charismatic and fun, but what they lack (and all history or HEMAtubers) is they are not very mathy. I am 100% for fun with more scientific approach.