"Latter-Day Saints Affirm MUCH Of The Nicene Creed" - BYU Professor Explains The Trinity
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- This is a clip from a recent episode with Dr Jason Combs in which he explains what Latter-day Saints believe about the Nicene Creed and the Trinity. Latter-day Saints may find it a surprise when learning the creed that we affirm much of it, and that there are parts we may misunderstand.
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Catholic organization. Pretty well presented. I'm glad that he acknowledged that Mormons of traditionally misunderstood Catholics on the Trinity in that you kind of believe something similar.
The Catholic church has always said that they are three distinct persons. Mormons seem to have a difficult time understanding this concept. But it's good that you were explaining it to them the way the early church understood it.
I do find it interesting that on the Mormon website it usually refers to God is three separate beings, but also says three separate persons and also three distinct persons. Separate and distinct are two different things in regard to the nature of the godhead.
Glad to have you here, thanks for your thoughts and commentary - it is genuinely appreciated. I’m really keen to strengthen understanding between denominations and build bridges. I hope this does that somewhat.
It starts off with “I believe in one God…” That alone rules out Mormonism
That’s a dishonest and unhelpful comment. I hope you can lend us the same nuance and understanding that we’re lending other Christian faiths in this conversation.
We haven’t misunderstood, they have misunderstood
It's mostly the Athanasian Creed that LDS disagree with. Sometimes referred to as the "mystical" Trinity. It's incoherent, as any standard encyclopedia of philosophy will tell you.
They get it from the Old Testament scripture of the TWO Powers in Heaven israelite theology which has the 2 persons of YHWH: the Invisible YHWH ( the Father) and the Visible YHWH ( the Pre-incarnate Jesus) .
Your separate persons R NOT what the Trinity states as all three persons R the One God of the Same Essence.
God is Spirit: only Jesus acquired a human body during his earthly ministry.
Were not the creeds used by the church of Rome to claim the right to excommunicate or even kill anyone that claimed to believe but did not support the church of Rome and their creeds?
The "Apostle's creed" happens to only be an abomination just in how it was used-- not its content.
It is complicated but… We have not misunderstood their doctrine of the Trinity. I’ve discussed this many time with different Catholic (and Protestant) clergy. I’ve read Origen of Alexandria and the history and writings about the councils he mentions. I agree that early Christian thought the way he’s describing… and that contemporary Christian for the most, don’t understand the doctrines of their own churches so they don’t really believe the Trinity either. But talk to any Catholic Priest and they do believe the version of the Trinity that we understand them to believe. His description of how the word “being” is like saying human being or a type of divine person of race or something is not how they frame it or teach it. Of course there are many lines in these creeds that can be accurate taken one line at a time. However when take in totality they create a completely different definition of the Godhead that has misled humanity for millennia. Maybe the first version of the Nicaea Creed was the least incorrect (and Arianism wasn’t spot on for sure) but the Nicaea Creed over corrected and did just as much damage or maybe more damage. There is a reason that Joseph was told they are an abomination in the sight of God. This discussion feels like clickbait. 😂
My understanding of Clickbait is enticing you to click on something that doesn’t answer the question it says it does - I’m not one for doing that and I don’t think this discussion qualifies for that! I think Jason’s study is valuable and informative.
The mormon god is not YHVH of the bible and does not believe in the essential definition of the trinity.
They believe that the devil is equal to the mormon god and they have a god the mother as part of their pantheon.
A rudimentary search of their doctrines by any self-aware Christian should alert them to the dangerous lies and beliefs of the Mormons.
They are realizing to realign their beliefs closer to Christianity to not lose relevance.
I disagree with your statement “the devil is equal” to God - I’ve never heard that my entire time as a church member (now 40+ years).
We believe that Jesus Christ was chosen from the beginning, but Lucifer rejected Christ and sought to usurp Christ’s position/authority - for that rebellion, he became the devil and was cast out.
No one was equal to Christ. He was the only one who could come to earth, live perfectly, atone for our sins, and return resurrected to the Father.