Heu ... non. Je suis OTP zyra depuis plusieurs années et j'ai toujours fait comme ça. Une fleur "range" fera au final plus de dégât qu'une fleur "melee", vu qu'elles se déplacent pas.
Yeah man I never understood why ppl maxed e I would ask them and they never had an answer lol. Q is def the way to go. Does e scale better? I don’t get what the argument was to begin with
@@itsjustawhiteguy i think, way back, that the DMG scaling on the plants was part of the reason. Can't remember. But I never used the e for damages in the first place. It is a bind and I literally used it only for the initiations and binding purposes. The slow on the plants is also way worse than the value you would get from the q plants too. It never made sense to me.
i think recognizing when to max q and e is important. if you are in a lane where you have high kill potencial, with trist or samira, maxing e for root duration is amazing. on the other hand if you have ezreal, and enemies are idk janna and aphelios, you want to max q for poking
@@violentgravy01 yea but theres never a time whr maxing e on zyra is correct, if u need more cc u go rylais with q max still, u have significantly more utility than maxing e
@@violentgravy01 no you shouldnt having plants to block the hook is infinitely more useful, if you get hooked by naut it doesnt matter what level ur e is, you are still chain cc'd for the entirety of ur e regardless of rank
I've always maxed W second, but I do alternate between Q and E depending on what the game state starts to look like. Normally if the jungler is something that can only really just run at you fast then I'll max E for the root duration.
In the early game that extra duration wont make any difference, if u stopped them from killing u with e they werent gunna kill u regardless if its level 1 e or max
@@zeroniTDXOlaf is a good example of one that a longer root is neesacary also galio and also Shen oh and trundle and Darius basically any melee catch champ… with a pull long slow or knock up
@@wolfdeathnogames5314 Not gonna argue with the other picks, but VS olaf you most definetly shouldn't look to extend a CC that won't work on him. You're at lvl 4 when he is 5, after that any point you put in E, if it is just for him is wasted. Not to mention, even at 4, you're increasing the root to 1.25 seconds from 1, while olaf, at level 5 will slow you for 35% for up to 2,5 seconds. Also by putting a point in E you give up 5 damage, which even if low, are quite relevant during laning, by level 5 you're giving up 10 dmg per single cast, but you also should consider that Q at lvl 3 is on a 6 seconds CD compared to 12 Seconds from E. Simply put, even if I don't play Zyra, the math looks off, and to my understanding, her strenght is her poke potential, not hard CC.
@@dingas5632 I don't think it does much, CD remains the same, root duration only changes for 1 second that too when maxed. Instead I prefer play safe and let your plants poke them out :)
Hell ya. I've been a lux main since my third week of the game. 5 years later and I decided to finally take her out of the mid lane down to the support role. Finally trying out new champions and zyra is a really fun one to play.
You should max E first as every point put into E will increase the root duration. If you do not max E people can just walk out of your E R combo. Rank 1 E has a 1s snare which scales up to 2s at Rank 5. Plant damage does not scale with points put into each ability so maxing Q falls off as soon as the laning phase ends. I do agree with maxing W second though as the cdr it gives is really good especially bcs Zyra's damage is very plant dependent. Maxing W gets especially annoying as soon as you have Rylai's as you can just spam spawn plants to zone enemies off objectives like baron/dragon. (Edits for readability)
I mean I opt for electrocute below Diamond and go max E cuz it’s just freelo. People can’t dodge her E. but since her NEW buffs Q max is definitely better NOW.
Yeahhh I don't know about that. One of the big benefits of getting E maxed is the root duration increases and eventually synergizes with your ult; it goes from a 1 second root to 2 seconds at max rank, and your ult takes 2 seconds before it does the knockup.
but when are you ever gonna hit E during the laning phase is the question. Q guarantees the poke and procs the ranged plants. You cannot guarantee that you hit E all the time as well. The main goal is to poke your enemies out of lane and not all in everytime. By the time you hit lvl 9 the laning phase is practically over so there's not much use for maxing E if you have allies that can cc chain the enemies.
@@RustinMarkJandongan if you play poke, the enemy laner will usually play safe around the edges of your ability range. E is telegraphic where it crawls from your position so it is easy to dodge while Q animation is fast enough since it triggers from the spot. The main point is you win the lane by poking and not with all ins so you max Q instead of E to deal more damage during laning
Your adc will only lose minions cuz of enemy poke/engage risk, if you hold on to your E as zyra and keep poking them in lane you will make your lane easier to your adc so even gold players can last hit. Missing last hit against zyra plant is so hard pre 10 mins (zyra gets liandry). I recommend after getting first item roaming mid lane and counter jungling with your jungle, support is easy role anyways.
You missed a huge tip, you can cast Q and if you are fast enough place your W before the Q animation goes through allowing you to position your plants where you want, being unpredictable for the enemy and guaranteeing your poke
Happy new year, also as a main Zyra player for the last 2 years and top 33 Euw with her, i max E > W > Q or Q > W > E , here is the reason Max E gives more root time also with more damage, making good setup for kills, better roam in early and help for ganks, you can easily get double root in botlane or triple if you defend a gank.. Also more root time means the plants summoned with the E will slow, so give more time to attack them (60% slow with two plants, for what ? 3 secs with the root ? that's insane dps), i tend to max it when it's a matchup i'm good with, or against a melee supp to punish him when he try to farm On the opposite, maxing Q gives less cooldown on the Q, yes, more poke dmg, yes, but i maxe it only when i'm playing against a double range botlane So yes, maybe maxing Q is better in an every situation, but i personnaly find maxing E more attractive in term of easy dps (Also having an enemy root makes the meteor rune hit 100%) That's how i play ^^ Thank you for the video still !
It all depends on the lane you're playing. Poking is great but if you have an aggressive ADC and their bot lane has limited to no escape, having E will help you secure that kill.
plants deal same dmg no matter if you upgrade q or e, the main thing for max e is the root duration, doesnt give time to flash or dodge ulty with dash, new season items with tenacity makes it even harder, dmg is higher then q, and for sup is better to have longer roots since there is an actual dmg dealer, thats just mine opinion
This is flat out wrong. You can look up what high elo Zyra’s build and have success with too. E max into w max. She has insane kill potential with E and the slows from her plants are crazy too! Q isn’t really big for damage… it’s just poke. I see so many of this guys videos and it just feels like you’re trying to force things that just… aren’t there. Idk, but to everyone else, try E max into W second, you’ll love it!
slows from here plants are the same in either build path since E doesn't decrease in CD what they're describing in the video is a safer play style that doesn't require zyra to be in a dangerous midrange in order to root ofc u can still play flash root zyra for pick potential but sometimes your team doesn't need it, in which case just go full damage
you're wrong buddy. higher elo you go the more you'll know. You can only cast like 3-5 e's off the start and you're just waiting. she has high kill potential but It's like lv 6 plus before just playing out the poke game.
More like, high elo zyra players know there is no one way to max her abilities. It all depends on your match up. There is justification for all kinds of variations on how to max her spells. Same thing for her builds and ruins. Go check Melyns guide
Idk but I max E first as a support, and carry games because of the increased cc. Maxing Q might offer more damage, but it gives you less strength to stop a teammate from making a mistake/less supportability for the adc. While you shouldn't be reliant on your team, if isn't grandmaster or extremely high elo, E max is the way to go. Because in higher elo your team knows how to survive ganks, and in low elo they simply dont, so you need a different playing style there. You could argue about transitioning at a certain point though. In low elo, enemies are also worse at dodging. So maxing E is far more valuable. Getting that 1 pick with a 2.5 second root can win a fight before it happened.
Fun fact: While playing sona against poke champions, you MUST max W. not because of the healing only, but the Shield gets stronger, and so does the damage reduction passive. Her Q can be Second upgrade against this types of team. Against Engage Heavy botlanes, E max can be way helpful to dodge enemies, if you're struggling to say behind minions.
Max E if you are low elo. It's way easier to stun people in low elo. Besides, it's a stun that hits everyone and doesn't get blocked by minions, literally the best stun in the game. Maxing w as your second skill is right tho. We need seeds, and they are free 🤑
It's not stun, it's root. There is a big difference between them. You cannot just move while rooted, but can attack and use abilities, and item actives while with stun you're completely out of any actions, besides active from QSS in inventory or Cleanse as summoner spell
Idk as a Zyra main you can max any ability first and still be S tier if you know what you're doing but I do max W early for most matchups because more seeds = success
As a diamond zyra main, not how I do it at all. Everyone has their own style ofc. But start E, then W, then Q, maxing W and E first. (Root duration is much more useful) (plant regen time also). The trick is that Zyra players don’t use is plant placements. When you use E, while it’s travelling you place the plants where you want them as it gives no time for a reaction (this also tricks the enemy) you can literally place it directly on them as the E is travelling. (Whenever they are even if your E misses) Ideally you want to hit the E and place plants on them or behind them while the E is moving. If you see that the enemy is going to dodge the E, then you place the plants where they will move to (while the E is also still travelling). (Make sure you also get the hit box trained so you know how far you can place plants and still proc them with the E) Once you master the timing on the E travel and the plant placements, you’re golden. You only want to use the Q to get extra damage once you hit E and W on them. This is also how you can block Naut Q’s, blitz, and thresh easily when you train how to place them while using E. you can also do that with the Q. But I find the E tricks the enemy better and faster to use the combo. As you can stun, plant and Q. Whereas if you Q, W, or W, Q, is much harder to then hit E or hit as much in total. Also while an enemy is running you want to do the same E then W as the E reaches max distance. This slows them while also giving no reaction times for the enemy as it’s unavoidable.
Every single champion, besides a few very versatile ones like Malphite, will have a "1 point wonder" spell. That one spell that is gonna be still amazing while its lvl 1 and you have 4 items lvl 15
Maxing E is fine if you are going utility build. Utility build is great vs melee and diver comps. Max Q is best with AP build. Comet + Scorch and Q max is great lane control Every game is different. Also, R should be used as area denial tool, not necessary to combo with E. Proper placement of R will win you fights even if you don't hit anyone with it
Been playing her only a few months since she was released, and she still has a circular Q and a true damage revenge plant after death. I always max E last. I never maxed E first, nor have I met a Zyra player who max E first.
I've been maxing Q>W>E in arena. Low cooldowns for Q and W means you can always have a seed spitter applying liandrys and rylais (and infernal conduit if you're lucky)
I used to play zyra and when I recently looked up the current meta build and saw the ability order they put i was astonished. E max is only good in low elo where no one can dodge anything anyways.
i just put 3 in W and then max E, because you dont need that poke in mid game so much. it is better getting some flashes or catches with rylais first and getting an easy E root. the zoning potential has much more value for me than the poke dmg.
I used to play her that way before and cause of game recommendations, and what's written on some guides I stopped max q then w to e first. And wondered why I started feeling weak with her 🤦🏻♂️
It really depends, her E is good if you are supporting an weak early game adc or mid against melee. If you want to take her Q first then your team must have a lot of aggressors and actively look for early game fight
Champions that can harass without even being in threat of taking damage aren't C tier? imagine my shock. Just another reason why I think all these Sites don't know shit and just keep smelling their own farts.
I'm a zarya 1 trick player (diamond). i max E->Q->W E scaling gives you more root time duration. you wanna be lvl 13 with 0.75 sec root? ROOOT!? no, also it ensure your hit your Q after the root. my style ensures all abilities hit, including 2nd part of ult (the knockup), more plant hits and a 1,5sec root to multiple targets. you need to be braindaed to miss the E, its not too difficult to land, thresh's Q is more difficult
I think this bug wasn't mentioned in the video so here goes: You know how if your character is bleeding your screen will flash bright red and cause damage? You'd think that's what sets poison and bleeding apart, that you can't get damaged by poison while walking around. However, if you were to be poisoned when starting a fight with Nash'hrah and then run away as he summons the darkness, the poison effect will suddenly start flashing your screen red and harming you outside of battle as you walk just like bleeding does.
I max what i need. When i play vs linear engage champions (jarvan jungle and leona supp maybe) E is a great way to stop and punish them. The CD doesnt go down, but the root gets longer. Vs high monility champs it makes no sense tho.
still better than maxing E first, although it's still wrong! as Zyra support: • first max W, then Q (she needs the W faster to poke and outrange enemies more often, it forces them to stay back forever) as Zyra APC: • first max Q, then W (her W resets from killing minions) also, if you aren't invading, almost always start with Q (because otherwise you will have to wait 1 level more to start poking)
Nah it’s much weaker lvl 1 then Q as Q is a 6 second CD lvl 1 and E is like 11 seconds… only take E if you are invading or bush camping lvl 1 so you can bait a flash out or first blood
This has been the standard build ages ago I don't know why the community shifted lol. I was still playing her this way since like Season 5. You max Q first for great poke and a reliable tool. W next because your plants are you main mid game tool and you decided which whether Q or E to proc it. E last because root doesn't go up a ton and often you're using it to get the slow or fast Ult combo. Wild that it shifted this much.
I'm actualy low master main support and main zyra, and I'm not agree with Q max first. The cc duration is insane, even if the root is slow it's easy to reach ennemy. Abuse bush, zone with Q/W/passifs, and when there are opportunités ( and there are a lot) try to root. Like when adc will AA a cs/ supp will targon or try to poke a little bit. When you roam mid or invade jgl with your jgl, hit with E almost egal to 100% death, you have enought burst.
I've been playing tower defense with this skill order for years 😂. I usually go everfrost since I'm not getting the root duration from e maxing. But liandrys is a better item ATM, BUT Rylais > mandate is where the sauce is at.
As a zyra player, q max is the absolute last for me, since for mid to late game you don't care about hitting it at all, you just spam it with w from safe distance, to zone ppl away and proc the burn/slow. In laning phase it's cool to hit q for plants target prio, but if you don't wanna get hit back, you usually spam it further away from them. Maxing e first gives you way higher dps potential, bcs of longer root duration, that makes huge difference with r combined, so prove me wrong, but this video is a troll.
On launch it was either max because it affected the CD, but that’s. It the case anymore, and hasn’t been forever. I’ve been telling people stat sites are not meant to be taken literally and should support decisions not make them for you
@@pietjewaanman3506 You dont play zyra, so you dont know. So why do you reply? Why trade your kill-threat with a leveled E full combo for some random extra DPS that dont matter? Its blatantly stupid. If you play her mid, its a diffrent story; but there are litteraly 50+ other mages that does a better job mid.
@@rogermagnusson8877 people don't need to play her to know things. You can use the experience you have with the information you have to come to a conclusion. So your argument is that I don't play her so I can't reply is very strange. Not everything is about kills. If you can keep their adc low, he can't farm and take xp. Or does go for farm and dies more easily. Kills is not everything. Pressure is more important and q also gives you more aoe in team fights. I agree that there is also an argument for a longer root. However, your root is your only pressure then, if you miss it, the enemy botlane can engage and you are useless. It's like blitz hook. Low elo players think they need to use blitz hook 10 times and then they will probably hit 1. However you have more pressure if you don't use your hook unless it is almost certain a hit. Meanwhile good players go in hard when big cc spells are on cd.
@@pietjewaanman3506 Its not at all strange to question someone to think they know best about a champion they have never even played. Go play some Zyra for a week and you will see what is obvious to others. You use the E to get kill pressure with your ADC, and also keep the opponent in the ult. Its as simple as that. Zyra is a snowbally support with strong lane-presence. You have very low mobility, you have among the least hp of any champion in the game, constantly positioning to fish for poke damage with your Q is just asking for trouble that you dont need. After lanephase it becomes pretty much irrelevant if you have a lvl 2 Q or lvl 5 Q, the damage will come from Liandries. You do you man, all im saying is that you dont know the champion and are just fanboying for Skill Capped. Do your due dilligence, actually play the champion, then we can talk.
Yeah just like Warwick, they recommend maxing Q which is inting most of the time as you cant sustain the mana cost in toplane or will have a super slow clear in jungle. (And W is literally and figuratively broken anyways lol) People in League need to be more flexible in general anyways. Going back to WW and assuming you play top, you may have start putting points in W to play for all-ins but missplayed, got ganked or smth and died. You're now behind. If you know you have no more kill pressure it's useless to keep upgrading W and you'll maybe want Q points for regen or E points against dive or DPS champs. Idk about other champs since I'm an OTP but I'd assume this applies to some extent to most.
I am weird then. Never looked up a build guide but I always maxed E 1st but always do 3 Es, 2 Ws, Max E. Then 2 Qs, 3E, Max Q. Mainly to lower W cooldown during laning where i don't have to try very hard to land E then after laning, it's mainly focusing on damage with Q.
I just tried this out but it appears the plants die way too fast? And also I didnt feel like they were attacking champs too often (always minions first).
In lower Elo ( Iron - Platinum) maxing E is a lot better. When Solo Ranking you can kill squished alone. 2 second root gives your lower /less skilled/experienced allies more time to react to your play. Maybe later on it’s better to have more lane dominant plays. But cc>dmg as supp in low Elo. Always. ( I have about 1,5mill champion xp with zyra).
Q might be better anyways, but it really depends on what you are trying to do with Zyra. I usually max Q into W like this short suggests while always holding back E. Basically, I'm trying to poke people to death and holding E to stop anyone from reaching me. However, if your goal is comboing champions into oblivion with E, W, W, R, Q, that's another way to play her
Back when i played consistently, this was the build. I stopped playing for a few years and the build tells me to max e. Ive been shit stomped every game i tried it. I need to revert back to the roots.
Even korean high elo otp zyras max e. And im sure other korean high elo players are good at dodging "most telegraphed root in the game". But i guess humsters will love it anyway and wont double check it. Skillcapped again
Dude no E is impossible to miss in many scenarios it’s very easy + 2s root instead of 1s is huge Also if you’re going tank utility build it has to be e max But on dmg build too W second q last Unless you can actually never land e ever in your matchup
why, it's not even a niche build, it's common on zyra, i run it in gm when i'm autofilled support and my team already has a lot of dmg or i don't wanna get bursted@@IamHex22
I'm a new player, came to relax from dota. I played with bots and often saw them picking Zyra on mid. Then, I got a skin shard and decided to read about Zyra's abilities. Thinking that she would be perfect support was my first thought.
I go for a more burst oriented midlane build. Dark Harvest, Dark Seal, E max W second Q Last. This works pretty well, especially if you build ludens or Everfrost instead of Liandrys.
I was on my way to Diamond and I get put up against these Zyra abusers, she never walks up, throws Q,W and pokes me and my adc, no matter how hard we try, we couldn’t do anything…
I am surprised some players are actually maxing the third skill. This is how I played her and I instantly made her as one of my best picks in the support role.
this is why you need to look at all statistics not just the front page, another great example is Nilah, who all sites recommend you max Q 1st, despite it not reducing cooldown, next to no base damage, and only increases the AD%, where as E max provides much higher damage, and shorter cooldown to help with farming, burst, getting back to lane and CSing, boasting a 2% higher win rate when she already had an absurd
All statistics show maxing QWE is THE lowest winrate of any max order. Even high elo. EWQ, maxing Q LAST, has the highest winrate. This video is literally just wrong.
Yeah just like Warwick, they recommend maxing Q which is inting most of the time as you cant sustain the mana cost in toplane or will have a super slow clear in jungle. (And W is literally and figuratively broken anyways lol) People in League need to be more flexible in general anyways. Going back to WW and assuming you play top, you may have start putting points in W to play for all-ins but missplayed, got ganked or smth and died. You're now behind. If you know you have no more kill pressure it's useless to keep upgrading W and you'll maybe want Q points for regen or E points against dive or DPS champs. Idk about other champs since I'm an OTP but I'd assume this applies to some extent to most
@@misourfluffyface1417 I don’t care what this statistic says but NEVER max W second lol, by the time you max your 2nd ability you’ll probably be 2 items, maybe 3 if you’re fed, you’d be trolling to relinquish the extra 30% AD ratio on your Q and auto attacks with all those items, the sample size as well is incredibly minuscule as compared to a EQW max which is high enough to show proof of concept that it works as well as every high elo nilah following the order.
@@thundercracker07 i didn’t realize 25,000 games was minuscule. Btw- emerald+, 12% of players max EWQ. Diamond+, 16%. Master+, 19%. And in Challenger, 38% of players max EWQ. So… you’re the one arguing with both statistics and high elo players. 🤷♀️
Maxing W second makes your plants survive a stupid amount and if you ult them too it's gonna be a wash for the enemy and you can literally just walk away from a football field distance. This guide is correct.
Think your skill order is just worng and stats support it. Q cd doesnt matter becuase its a non-spell without seeds. As you said in the video you harass from outside of your Q range by planting seeds at maxrange q, so your Q dmg rarely matters.
That is just objectively wrong. I mained zyra ages ago, and it was common knowledge to max Q. It's 35 per level, which isn't crazy, but the cool down also improves. Plus you are going to hit one E per fight, but almost always two Qs.
Q max first matters because early game, pressure is super important, similar to how yuumi maxes Q before anything else you're not really focusing on using your plants as long range pokes yet in the mid-game, you transition into that game plan by maxing W instead of E, giving you higher uptime on your plants which is the main part of her kit the problem with following stats is exactly what's described in the video: people can be really dumb and do wrong things and sometimes it becomes mainstream (if you need any examples, look at social media trends lmao)
No... It's mana. That's the whole reason. q stays the same.. e costs more as It's leveled.. If you're solo lanning with e first, you can't stay In lane long and clear the wave without dying with constantly. For consistency Q Is like 30x better But I usually do e lv 1 If Invading but It's usually q.. and also Q Is super good to place your plants far back so they can clear without them dying. I got like probably 7-10m mastery on her. She's so Interesting.. Like you can analyze every step on this champion
Thing is in low elo you're way more likely to get flamed for taking creeps than if you just consistently hit root in lane, ADCs seem to respect that way more, and opponents fear it more. It makes you play safer further back with E as well less easily ganked
Skill path is subjective to the game you're in, which role you're in, which lane opponent(s) you're up against. Restricting adaptability immediately drops this recommendation out of S tier into A tier. This short is purely for continuous poke. All-in potential wants maximum damage from all sources and Liandries doesn't increase damage if you are overwriting the debuff from many sources, so yes Q->W is good, but when you are 1v many and against good players? E is what you are using to save lives on your team, it is what I focus when I need to turn the tide asap. Maxing E on Zyra is her counterplay for being dived continuously in 2v4s or worse. If ur only getting 1-2 Qs out per fight then reduced cdr on it is far less use. W second is still powerful because u can spread out the slows along the path (and then abuse that for the necessary kiting)
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Heu ... non. Je suis OTP zyra depuis plusieurs années et j'ai toujours fait comme ça. Une fleur "range" fera au final plus de dégât qu'une fleur "melee", vu qu'elles se déplacent pas.
As a zyra player, this is literally how I have played her forever. Other reason not too rely too much on build sites and think for yourself
Yeah man I never understood why ppl maxed e I would ask them and they never had an answer lol. Q is def the way to go. Does e scale better? I don’t get what the argument was to begin with
@@itsjustawhiteguy i think, way back, that the DMG scaling on the plants was part of the reason. Can't remember. But I never used the e for damages in the first place. It is a bind and I literally used it only for the initiations and binding purposes. The slow on the plants is also way worse than the value you would get from the q plants too. It never made sense to me.
Yeah, it was confusing, since I started using sites. Even saw a high elo streamer and asked "Are you sure you know her?"
Lmao Fr. Picked her up like a week ago and have been crushing as a campy farmer
Max q for poke e for engage.. if u play vs soraka or something you cant max poke but allin
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i think recognizing when to max q and e is important. if you are in a lane where you have high kill potencial, with trist or samira, maxing e for root duration is amazing.
on the other hand if you have ezreal, and enemies are idk janna and aphelios, you want to max q for poking
Bingo. Always adapt.
@@violentgravy01 yea but theres never a time whr maxing e on zyra is correct, if u need more cc u go rylais with q max still, u have significantly more utility than maxing e
@iforgot669 when it's an engage support like Naut you definately should.
@@violentgravy01 no you shouldnt having plants to block the hook is infinitely more useful, if you get hooked by naut it doesnt matter what level ur e is, you are still chain cc'd for the entirety of ur e regardless of rank
@@violentgravy01No you don't
Poke counters tanks
Tanks counters Enchanters
Enchanters counters Poke
Zyra max q w is the way to go
I've always maxed W second, but I do alternate between Q and E depending on what the game state starts to look like. Normally if the jungler is something that can only really just run at you fast then I'll max E for the root duration.
In the early game that extra duration wont make any difference, if u stopped them from killing u with e they werent gunna kill u regardless if its level 1 e or max
@@zeroniTDXOlaf is a good example of one that a longer root is neesacary also galio and also Shen oh and trundle and Darius basically any melee catch champ… with a pull long slow or knock up
@@wolfdeathnogames5314 Not gonna argue with the other picks, but VS olaf you most definetly shouldn't look to extend a CC that won't work on him. You're at lvl 4 when he is 5, after that any point you put in E, if it is just for him is wasted. Not to mention, even at 4, you're increasing the root to 1.25 seconds from 1, while olaf, at level 5 will slow you for 35% for up to 2,5 seconds.
Also by putting a point in E you give up 5 damage, which even if low, are quite relevant during laning, by level 5 you're giving up 10 dmg per single cast, but you also should consider that Q at lvl 3 is on a 6 seconds CD compared to 12 Seconds from E.
Simply put, even if I don't play Zyra, the math looks off, and to my understanding, her strenght is her poke potential, not hard CC.
I’ve always maxed w second for this reason. I feel validated
Is e max good Vs melee engage lanes, Such as Leona or Nautilus? Or is Q max still better for more consistent poke damage?
@@dingas5632 I don't think it does much, CD remains the same, root duration only changes for 1 second that too when maxed. Instead I prefer play safe and let your plants poke them out :)
As zyra player, I can confirm this is a great video.
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what @@ZedSalvatore
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As a normal player, i resent your existence (we chill though)
As a zyra player, i play lux
Hell ya. I've been a lux main since my third week of the game. 5 years later and I decided to finally take her out of the mid lane down to the support role. Finally trying out new champions and zyra is a really fun one to play.
Im sorry to you both
Basically another way to say “i’m basic and play the default/main character in every game”
@@SirDubbs more so, im an egirl but too bad at the game/scared to go mid so i play support and build ap regardless
@canuck2444 lux is fun. I do enjoy the sheer damage diff she tends to have in tge early to mid game. She can be tricky in the late tho
This is how I learned to play her when I used to play her more. glad this info is getting around because it makes laning phase so much easier lol
You should max E first as every point put into E will increase the root duration. If you do not max E people can just walk out of your E R combo.
Rank 1 E has a 1s snare which scales up to 2s at Rank 5.
Plant damage does not scale with points put into each ability so maxing Q falls off as soon as the laning phase ends.
I do agree with maxing W second though as the cdr it gives is really good especially bcs Zyra's damage is very plant dependent.
Maxing W gets especially annoying as soon as you have Rylai's as you can just spam spawn plants to zone enemies off objectives like baron/dragon.
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Everyone after co op vs ai gonna dodge e without even trying
@@justsomeone5812why are you lying 😂 you have to predict their prediction
everyone in the comment section is low elo and thinks any zyra pro maxes Q AND THEN W!! when zyras across all regions and low-high ranks max E 😂
I had a stroke while reading but good point.
Finally someone who knows how to play her is talking 😂 “pro guides” really needs to stop with this misinformation bullshit
I mean I opt for electrocute below Diamond and go max E cuz it’s just freelo. People can’t dodge her E. but since her NEW buffs Q max is definitely better NOW.
Yeahhh I don't know about that. One of the big benefits of getting E maxed is the root duration increases and eventually synergizes with your ult; it goes from a 1 second root to 2 seconds at max rank, and your ult takes 2 seconds before it does the knockup.
yeah, exactly, they seem to missed that important aspect. But maxing Q first is probably better than Q
but when are you ever gonna hit E during the laning phase is the question. Q guarantees the poke and procs the ranged plants. You cannot guarantee that you hit E all the time as well. The main goal is to poke your enemies out of lane and not all in everytime. By the time you hit lvl 9 the laning phase is practically over so there's not much use for maxing E if you have allies that can cc chain the enemies.
@@viceasimo3532 Zyra's E is not hard to land. Or maybe being a mage main made me think landing skillshots are not thar hard...
@@RustinMarkJandongan if you play poke, the enemy laner will usually play safe around the edges of your ability range. E is telegraphic where it crawls from your position so it is easy to dodge while Q animation is fast enough since it triggers from the spot. The main point is you win the lane by poking and not with all ins so you max Q instead of E to deal more damage during laning
Me as a zyra mid: STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM. Don't expose our strats to these wood div lickers.
The only tricky part is to try not to steal adc's minions
As an adc main, giving you guys love. As long as you make the enemy adcs live a living hell idc if you accidentally take some cs c:
Not everyone think like that but thanks mate👍
This is why it took me so long to start using zyra. Was always afraid of that, but it isn't too bad.
Your adc will only lose minions cuz of enemy poke/engage risk, if you hold on to your E as zyra and keep poking them in lane you will make your lane easier to your adc so even gold players can last hit.
Missing last hit against zyra plant is so hard pre 10 mins (zyra gets liandry).
I recommend after getting first item roaming mid lane and counter jungling with your jungle, support is easy role anyways.
@@ataberk3539 yea, sure
You missed a huge tip, you can cast Q and if you are fast enough place your W before the Q animation goes through allowing you to position your plants where you want, being unpredictable for the enemy and guaranteeing your poke
that's just her normal combo not a tip
@@vagirioo6729 you'll find most people plat and below (majority of players) put the seed down and then Q
@@vagirioo6729 lmao
Zyra has always been on of my loved ones even tho I never played it.
Same, one of my favourite champs since season 3
Why dont you play her?
Happy new year, also as a main Zyra player for the last 2 years and top 33 Euw with her, i max E > W > Q or Q > W > E , here is the reason
Max E gives more root time also with more damage, making good setup for kills, better roam in early and help for ganks, you can easily get double root in botlane or triple if you defend a gank.. Also more root time means the plants summoned with the E will slow, so give more time to attack them (60% slow with two plants, for what ? 3 secs with the root ? that's insane dps), i tend to max it when it's a matchup i'm good with, or against a melee supp to punish him when he try to farm
On the opposite, maxing Q gives less cooldown on the Q, yes, more poke dmg, yes, but i maxe it only when i'm playing against a double range botlane
So yes, maybe maxing Q is better in an every situation, but i personnaly find maxing E more attractive in term of easy dps (Also having an enemy root makes the meteor rune hit 100%)
That's how i play ^^
Thank you for the video still !
Already doing that because i don't listen to other people and play how I prefer anyways which was always q max - its more efficient and useful
It all depends on the lane you're playing. Poking is great but if you have an aggressive ADC and their bot lane has limited to no escape, having E will help you secure that kill.
plants deal same dmg no matter if you upgrade q or e, the main thing for max e is the root duration, doesnt give time to flash or dodge ulty with dash, new season items with tenacity makes it even harder, dmg is higher then q, and for sup is better to have longer roots since there is an actual dmg dealer, thats just mine opinion
This is flat out wrong. You can look up what high elo Zyra’s build and have success with too. E max into w max. She has insane kill potential with E and the slows from her plants are crazy too! Q isn’t really big for damage… it’s just poke. I see so many of this guys videos and it just feels like you’re trying to force things that just… aren’t there. Idk, but to everyone else, try E max into W second, you’ll love it!
slows from here plants are the same in either build path since E doesn't decrease in CD
what they're describing in the video is a safer play style that doesn't require zyra to be in a dangerous midrange in order to root
ofc u can still play flash root zyra for pick potential but sometimes your team doesn't need it, in which case just go full damage
you're wrong buddy. higher elo you go the more you'll know. You can only cast like 3-5 e's off the start and you're just waiting. she has high kill potential but It's like lv 6 plus before just playing out the poke game.
@@eigengrau2819 Please look at what higher elo Zyra's optimize in build/skill order before commenting, on literally any statistical website.
Litterly just looked up the latest 10 zyra games in challenger and all max e first
First time a support main has been right (extremely rare)
Uhh wrong, her root duration is what is important. Her combo is e > w > r > q > w. Maxing r garuntees a knockup even if they dash
Zyra is also the best bottom side leasher cutting down the junglers clear time by mere 3 sec which is huge!
More like, high elo zyra players know there is no one way to max her abilities. It all depends on your match up. There is justification for all kinds of variations on how to max her spells. Same thing for her builds and ruins. Go check Melyns guide
if you're patient you can still poke with the q and max e for the longer root duration. depends on who you're fighting you may need the longer root
I've always done this.. and also going legend haste instead of domination tree is a must 👌
Thank you!! I couldn’t see why the classic way was superior, I was not missing something. Max Q first, then the ammo clip, happy hunting.
Idk but I max E first as a support, and carry games because of the increased cc. Maxing Q might offer more damage, but it gives you less strength to stop a teammate from making a mistake/less supportability for the adc.
While you shouldn't be reliant on your team, if isn't grandmaster or extremely high elo, E max is the way to go. Because in higher elo your team knows how to survive ganks, and in low elo they simply dont, so you need a different playing style there. You could argue about transitioning at a certain point though.
In low elo, enemies are also worse at dodging. So maxing E is far more valuable. Getting that 1 pick with a 2.5 second root can win a fight before it happened.
I play with Q start... Why on earth would you start with the long cd e unless you were suddenly invaded?
I main her and yes thank you for enlightening others, people needed to know how much more value her Q provides over her E
Fun fact:
While playing sona against poke champions, you MUST max W.
not because of the healing only, but the Shield gets stronger, and so does the damage reduction passive.
Her Q can be Second upgrade against this types of team. Against Engage Heavy botlanes, E max can be way helpful to dodge enemies, if you're struggling to say behind minions.
on top of that rushing to get Rylai's scepter is really helpful for your q, w combo either for engage or to flee
Max E if you are low elo. It's way easier to stun people in low elo. Besides, it's a stun that hits everyone and doesn't get blocked by minions, literally the best stun in the game. Maxing w as your second skill is right tho. We need seeds, and they are free 🤑
It's not stun, it's root. There is a big difference between them. You cannot just move while rooted, but can attack and use abilities, and item actives while with stun you're completely out of any actions, besides active from QSS in inventory or Cleanse as summoner spell
And the Q does more damage and has less coldown
@@TheAntananarivu Currently in low elo and I have yet to see someone actually buy QSS 🤣
tell me how you don't understand shit in league of legends without telling me
stun? really?
Geez bro come back and delete this comment ASAP😂
"high elo zyras" AKA duoking1
The reasons I would go E over W max depends on the meta, going into assassins, the slow increase can make or break your ability to stay alive
Bruh this was and will always be the way i play Zyra. She got me to Plat 1 with Swain and Maokai back then.
Idk as a Zyra main you can max any ability first and still be S tier if you know what you're doing but I do max W early for most matchups because more seeds = success
E max prolongs the time enemy will be rooted, E max is an old school also, when supports had almost no gold income like in Season 3
I think maxing E used to lower cd back in the day
People who can think for themselves have done this already.
As a diamond zyra main, not how I do it at all. Everyone has their own style ofc. But start E, then W, then Q, maxing W and E first. (Root duration is much more useful) (plant regen time also).
The trick is that Zyra players don’t use is plant placements. When you use E, while it’s travelling you place the plants where you want them as it gives no time for a reaction (this also tricks the enemy) you can literally place it directly on them as the E is travelling. (Whenever they are even if your E misses)
Ideally you want to hit the E and place plants on them or behind them while the E is moving. If you see that the enemy is going to dodge the E, then you place the plants where they will move to (while the E is also still travelling).
(Make sure you also get the hit box trained so you know how far you can place plants and still proc them with the E)
Once you master the timing on the E travel and the plant placements, you’re golden. You only want to use the Q to get extra damage once you hit E and W on them.
This is also how you can block Naut Q’s, blitz, and thresh easily when you train how to place them while using E. you can also do that with the Q. But I find the E tricks the enemy better and faster to use the combo. As you can stun, plant and Q. Whereas if you Q, W, or W, Q, is much harder to then hit E or hit as much in total.
Also while an enemy is running you want to do the same E then W as the E reaches max distance. This slows them while also giving no reaction times for the enemy as it’s unavoidable.
Every single champion, besides a few very versatile ones like Malphite, will have a "1 point wonder" spell.
That one spell that is gonna be still amazing while its lvl 1 and you have 4 items lvl 15
Maxing E is fine if you are going utility build. Utility build is great vs melee and diver comps.
Max Q is best with AP build. Comet + Scorch and Q max is great lane control
Every game is different.
Also, R should be used as area denial tool, not necessary to combo with E.
Proper placement of R will win you fights even if you don't hit anyone with it
Been playing her only a few months since she was released, and she still has a circular Q and a true damage revenge plant after death. I always max E last. I never maxed E first, nor have I met a Zyra player who max E first.
As a not zyra player, I can confirm that the right way to play her.
This is how I feel with brand E sometimes, some lanes when people disrespect E poke just a few more points in it helps
FACTS! I'm a Zyra Main and this is how I've always played Zyra. It just makes sense
Maxing E first is what allows you to chain the root with ult knockup, that's why they were leveling it first, but poke zyra benefits more from Q
I've been maxing Q>W>E in arena. Low cooldowns for Q and W means you can always have a seed spitter applying liandrys and rylais (and infernal conduit if you're lucky)
yeah I've always gone Q > W > E and build alot of CD items, i often manage to outdmg everyone on my team
I used to play zyra and when I recently looked up the current meta build and saw the ability order they put i was astonished. E max is only good in low elo where no one can dodge anything anyways.
i just put 3 in W and then max E, because you dont need that poke in mid game so much. it is better getting some flashes or catches with rylais first and getting an easy E root. the zoning potential has much more value for me than the poke dmg.
I once had someone question why I was maxing traps first on Caitlyn. They found out when I walled off the entire river while we did Baron. Lol
@@angel1buffy Just because you don't know how to deal massive damage with her traps, doesn't mean maxing trap first is wrong. /shrug
The pressure that Q+W combo and only using E when enemy engages give permanent lane prio
In ARAM, it's Q E W all the way but I see why a real map like SR would benefit from the bulb regen
Just curious but what build would you recommend on her?
i always questioned why porofessor suggests you max E before W on zyra and now i'm glad to learn i wasn't the only one
I used to play her that way before and cause of game recommendations, and what's written on some guides I stopped max q then w to e first. And wondered why I started feeling weak with her 🤦🏻♂️
It really depends, her E is good if you are supporting an weak early game adc or mid against melee. If you want to take her Q first then your team must have a lot of aggressors and actively look for early game fight
Champions that can harass without even being in threat of taking damage aren't C tier? imagine my shock.
Just another reason why I think all these Sites don't know shit and just keep smelling their own farts.
I'm a zarya 1 trick player (diamond).
i max E->Q->W
E scaling gives you more root time duration. you wanna be lvl 13 with 0.75 sec root? ROOOT!? no, also it ensure your hit your Q after the root.
my style ensures all abilities hit, including 2nd part of ult (the knockup), more plant hits and a 1,5sec root to multiple targets. you need to be braindaed to miss the E, its not too difficult to land, thresh's Q is more difficult
I think this bug wasn't mentioned in the video so here goes: You know how if your character is bleeding your screen will flash bright red and cause damage? You'd think that's what sets poison and bleeding apart, that you can't get damaged by poison while walking around. However, if you were to be poisoned when starting a fight with Nash'hrah and then run away as he summons the darkness, the poison effect will suddenly start flashing your screen red and harming you outside of battle as you walk just like bleeding does.
I max what i need. When i play vs linear engage champions (jarvan jungle and leona supp maybe) E is a great way to stop and punish them. The CD doesnt go down, but the root gets longer. Vs high monility champs it makes no sense tho.
still better than maxing E first, although it's still wrong!
as Zyra support:
• first max W, then Q
(she needs the W faster to poke and outrange enemies more often, it forces them to stay back forever)
as Zyra APC:
• first max Q, then W
(her W resets from killing minions)
also, if you aren't invading, almost always start with Q (because otherwise you will have to wait 1 level more to start poking)
As a zyra Player, I totally agree but still would level e first (and max q first ofc) bc in early game adcs don’t have that much mobility
Nah it’s much weaker lvl 1 then Q as Q is a 6 second CD lvl 1 and E is like 11 seconds… only take E if you are invading or bush camping lvl 1 so you can bait a flash out or first blood
This has been the standard build ages ago I don't know why the community shifted lol. I was still playing her this way since like Season 5. You max Q first for great poke and a reliable tool. W next because your plants are you main mid game tool and you decided which whether Q or E to proc it. E last because root doesn't go up a ton and often you're using it to get the slow or fast Ult combo. Wild that it shifted this much.
I'm actualy low master main support and main zyra, and I'm not agree with Q max first. The cc duration is insane, even if the root is slow it's easy to reach ennemy. Abuse bush, zone with Q/W/passifs, and when there are opportunités ( and there are a lot) try to root. Like when adc will AA a cs/ supp will targon or try to poke a little bit. When you roam mid or invade jgl with your jgl, hit with E almost egal to 100% death, you have enought burst.
I've been playing tower defense with this skill order for years 😂. I usually go everfrost since I'm not getting the root duration from e maxing. But liandrys is a better item ATM, BUT Rylais > mandate is where the sauce is at.
As a zyra player, q max is the absolute last for me, since for mid to late game you don't care about hitting it at all, you just spam it with w from safe distance, to zone ppl away and proc the burn/slow. In laning phase it's cool to hit q for plants target prio, but if you don't wanna get hit back, you usually spam it further away from them. Maxing e first gives you way higher dps potential, bcs of longer root duration, that makes huge difference with r combined, so prove me wrong, but this video is a troll.
On launch it was either max because it affected the CD, but that’s. It the case anymore, and hasn’t been forever. I’ve been telling people stat sites are not meant to be taken literally and should support decisions not make them for you
Looked at probuilds, and as you said, the pros dont max e and go w 2nd. You're right, they go w second, but still e first
As a Zyra main, this was very helpful. I learned to never listen to skillcapped for advice. This was crap.
Zyra main in iron? I never play zyra and I was sure what skullcaped advices was already the basic way to level
@@pietjewaanman3506 nah, the guy above is right. E max is the best way to play her, more cc equals more gg
@@pietjewaanman3506 You dont play zyra, so you dont know. So why do you reply?
Why trade your kill-threat with a leveled E full combo for some random extra DPS that dont matter?
Its blatantly stupid.
If you play her mid, its a diffrent story; but there are litteraly 50+ other mages that does a better job mid.
@@rogermagnusson8877 people don't need to play her to know things. You can use the experience you have with the information you have to come to a conclusion. So your argument is that I don't play her so I can't reply is very strange.
Not everything is about kills. If you can keep their adc low, he can't farm and take xp. Or does go for farm and dies more easily. Kills is not everything. Pressure is more important and q also gives you more aoe in team fights.
I agree that there is also an argument for a longer root. However, your root is your only pressure then, if you miss it, the enemy botlane can engage and you are useless. It's like blitz hook. Low elo players think they need to use blitz hook 10 times and then they will probably hit 1. However you have more pressure if you don't use your hook unless it is almost certain a hit. Meanwhile good players go in hard when big cc spells are on cd.
@@pietjewaanman3506
Its not at all strange to question someone to think they know best about a champion they have never even played. Go play some Zyra for a week and you will see what is obvious to others.
You use the E to get kill pressure with your ADC, and also keep the opponent in the ult. Its as simple as that. Zyra is a snowbally support with strong lane-presence.
You have very low mobility, you have among the least hp of any champion in the game, constantly positioning to fish for poke damage with your Q is just asking for trouble that you dont need.
After lanephase it becomes pretty much irrelevant if you have a lvl 2 Q or lvl 5 Q, the damage will come from Liandries.
You do you man, all im saying is that you dont know the champion and are just fanboying for Skill Capped. Do your due dilligence, actually play the champion, then we can talk.
Yeah just like Warwick, they recommend maxing Q which is inting most of the time as you cant sustain the mana cost in toplane or will have a super slow clear in jungle. (And W is literally and figuratively broken anyways lol)
People in League need to be more flexible in general anyways.
Going back to WW and assuming you play top, you may have start putting points in W to play for all-ins but missplayed, got ganked or smth and died.
You're now behind.
If you know you have no more kill pressure it's useless to keep upgrading W and you'll maybe want Q points for regen or E points against dive or DPS champs.
Idk about other champs since I'm an OTP but I'd assume this applies to some extent to most.
I am weird then. Never looked up a build guide but I always maxed E 1st but always do 3 Es, 2 Ws, Max E. Then 2 Qs, 3E, Max Q.
Mainly to lower W cooldown during laning where i don't have to try very hard to land E then after laning, it's mainly focusing on damage with Q.
As an aram player, i can say Zyra is pretty OP
I just tried this out but it appears the plants die way too fast? And also I didnt feel like they were attacking champs too often (always minions first).
In lower Elo ( Iron - Platinum) maxing E is a lot better. When Solo Ranking you can kill squished alone. 2 second root gives your lower /less skilled/experienced allies more time to react to your play. Maybe later on it’s better to have more lane dominant plays. But cc>dmg as supp in low Elo. Always. ( I have about 1,5mill champion xp with zyra).
Q might be better anyways, but it really depends on what you are trying to do with Zyra.
I usually max Q into W like this short suggests while always holding back E. Basically, I'm trying to poke people to death and holding E to stop anyone from reaching me.
However, if your goal is comboing champions into oblivion with E, W, W, R, Q, that's another way to play her
I like maxing E and run it through enemy minion waves then snare enemy champions because they never see it coming 😍
What if I just want a 2s root ? Maxing Q doesn't increase plant damage. And what's the point if you can't land your Q any more often than your E.
Back when i played consistently, this was the build. I stopped playing for a few years and the build tells me to max e. Ive been shit stomped every game i tried it. I need to revert back to the roots.
Even korean high elo otp zyras max e. And im sure other korean high elo players are good at dodging "most telegraphed root in the game". But i guess humsters will love it anyway and wont double check it. Skillcapped again
e is good in low elo where the brushes arent warded and the people ain't dodging, emerald plus u start maxing q and going poke though
Also plant placement, don't put them near each other if you want to summon 2 at once.
why not ?
AOE@@johnkim7211
@@johnkim7211ig so people have to move more to kill both?
I found it funny that this is exactly how I play Zyra all the time because it feels right to me.
Dude no
E is impossible to miss in many scenarios it’s very easy + 2s root instead of 1s is huge
Also if you’re going tank utility build it has to be e max
But on dmg build too
W second q last
Unless you can actually never land e ever in your matchup
what the fuck is tank zyra
@@IamHex22 guardian rune, max e then w, evenshroud or radiant virtue first item then classic tank support items
@@welgaia yeah id imagine u would get flamed a lot for running this
why, it's not even a niche build, it's common on zyra, i run it in gm when i'm autofilled support and my team already has a lot of dmg or i don't wanna get bursted@@IamHex22
same goes on lux btw, you can run virtue + fimbulwinter, 3 pts E then w max on lux, guardian rune, works well situationally
I'm a new player, came to relax from dota. I played with bots and often saw them picking Zyra on mid. Then, I got a skin shard and decided to read about Zyra's abilities. Thinking that she would be perfect support was my first thought.
i never maxed anything but W first
higher W means more plants and the plants damage is independent from the Q and E level
I go for a more burst oriented midlane build. Dark Harvest, Dark Seal, E max W second Q Last. This works pretty well, especially if you build ludens or Everfrost instead of Liandrys.
I’ve played Zyra for years and never knew people maxed E. It’s always been QWE for me, so this video was baffling
I was on my way to Diamond and I get put up against these Zyra abusers, she never walks up, throws Q,W and pokes me and my adc, no matter how hard we try, we couldn’t do anything…
Lol *ZYRA* is like me name cuz my name is Zaira and google spell my name as zyra lolll
I am surprised some players are actually maxing the third skill. This is how I played her and I instantly made her as one of my best picks in the support role.
OK, I stoped playing zyra years ago, but that is exactly my skillorder, even when it is from a time, were her W gave her 20% CDR at Rank 5.
I'm on autopilot whenever I level up so I always max Q>W>E on EVERY champion. It's a weird habbit I can't break!
this is why you need to look at all statistics not just the front page, another great example is Nilah, who all sites recommend you max Q 1st, despite it not reducing cooldown, next to no base damage, and only increases the AD%, where as E max provides much higher damage, and shorter cooldown to help with farming, burst, getting back to lane and CSing, boasting a 2% higher win rate when she already had an absurd
wait is this why i suck at Nilah???? holy fuck
All statistics show maxing QWE is THE lowest winrate of any max order. Even high elo. EWQ, maxing Q LAST, has the highest winrate. This video is literally just wrong.
Yeah just like Warwick, they recommend maxing Q which is inting most of the time as you cant sustain the mana cost in toplane or will have a super slow clear in jungle. (And W is literally and figuratively broken anyways lol)
People in League need to be more flexible in general anyways.
Going back to WW and assuming you play top, you may have start putting points in W to play for all-ins but missplayed, got ganked or smth and died.
You're now behind.
If you know you have no more kill pressure it's useless to keep upgrading W and you'll maybe want Q points for regen or E points against dive or DPS champs.
Idk about other champs since I'm an OTP but I'd assume this applies to some extent to most
@@misourfluffyface1417 I don’t care what this statistic says but NEVER max W second lol, by the time you max your 2nd ability you’ll probably be 2 items, maybe 3 if you’re fed, you’d be trolling to relinquish the extra 30% AD ratio on your Q and auto attacks with all those items, the sample size as well is incredibly minuscule as compared to a EQW max which is high enough to show proof of concept that it works as well as every high elo nilah following the order.
@@thundercracker07 i didn’t realize 25,000 games was minuscule. Btw- emerald+, 12% of players max EWQ. Diamond+, 16%. Master+, 19%. And in Challenger, 38% of players max EWQ. So… you’re the one arguing with both statistics and high elo players. 🤷♀️
Maxing W second makes your plants survive a stupid amount and if you ult them too it's gonna be a wash for the enemy and you can literally just walk away from a football field distance. This guide is correct.
Why the actual eff is zyra not in wildrift? I've been waiting for zyra and zilean for ever now.
dw she will in next patch
riot devs have said that champs with pets like zyra’s plants or heimer’s turrets have an added layer of complexity to try to code into wild rift
my build guide has shown me this since forever, how is this a secret
Think your skill order is just worng and stats support it. Q cd doesnt matter becuase its a non-spell without seeds. As you said in the video you harass from outside of your Q range by planting seeds at maxrange q, so your Q dmg rarely matters.
That is just objectively wrong. I mained zyra ages ago, and it was common knowledge to max Q.
It's 35 per level, which isn't crazy, but the cool down also improves.
Plus you are going to hit one E per fight, but almost always two Qs.
Q max first matters because early game, pressure is super important, similar to how yuumi maxes Q before anything else
you're not really focusing on using your plants as long range pokes yet
in the mid-game, you transition into that game plan by maxing W instead of E, giving you higher uptime on your plants which is the main part of her kit
the problem with following stats is exactly what's described in the video: people can be really dumb and do wrong things and sometimes it becomes mainstream (if you need any examples, look at social media trends lmao)
No... It's mana. That's the whole reason. q stays the same.. e costs more as It's leveled.. If you're solo lanning with e first, you can't stay In lane long and clear the wave without dying with constantly. For consistency Q Is like 30x better But I usually do e lv 1 If Invading but It's usually q.. and also Q Is super good to place your plants far back so they can clear without them dying. I got like probably 7-10m mastery on her. She's so Interesting.. Like you can analyze every step on this champion
you forgot that points in your q also make the range plants stronger
Thing is in low elo you're way more likely to get flamed for taking creeps than if you just consistently hit root in lane, ADCs seem to respect that way more, and opponents fear it more. It makes you play safer further back with E as well less easily ganked
She's already hard to gank due to her insane damage
Skill path is subjective to the game you're in, which role you're in, which lane opponent(s) you're up against. Restricting adaptability immediately drops this recommendation out of S tier into A tier. This short is purely for continuous poke. All-in potential wants maximum damage from all sources and Liandries doesn't increase damage if you are overwriting the debuff from many sources, so yes Q->W is good, but when you are 1v many and against good players? E is what you are using to save lives on your team, it is what I focus when I need to turn the tide asap. Maxing E on Zyra is her counterplay for being dived continuously in 2v4s or worse. If ur only getting 1-2 Qs out per fight then reduced cdr on it is far less use. W second is still powerful because u can spread out the slows along the path (and then abuse that for the necessary kiting)