SERDCE - "Timelessness" [Full Album - Official]

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  • Опубліковано 12 чер 2014
  • SERDCE - the new Belarusian masters of progressive death metal evoke the spirit of early Cynic, Pestilence, Atheist, Coroner, and Dream Theater on their fourth album: "Timelessness." Released through Blood Music (Finland/USA) on CD, vinyl, and digitally through every medium imaginable.
    Pre-order: April 23rd, 2014
    Release: June 17th, 2014
    Label:
    www.blood-music.com
    / blooodmusic
    Band:
    / 53004004939

КОМЕНТАРІ • 239

  • @LukeWatts85
    @LukeWatts85 9 років тому +114

    The intro is like being in really comfortable vehicle travelling down a road to musical euphoria. You close your eyes and relax, starting to float along in the sound...and then the driver YANKS THE WHEEL TO THE SIDE AND YOUR HEAD SMASHES THROUGH THE PASSENGER SIDE WINDOW. YOUR EYEBALLS BURST OUT OF THEIR SOCKETS AND DANGLE IN THE WIND AND GLASS SHARDS TEARYOUR FACE APART.

    • @thepeoplehateu
      @thepeoplehateu 8 років тому +5

      +Luke Watts Aint nothin wrong with that.

    • @LukeWatts85
      @LukeWatts85 8 років тому +1

      +thepeoplehateu True

    • @LukeWatts85
      @LukeWatts85 8 років тому +5

      +Tucker Latham I actually went to the trouble of making a version of the intro in Audacity that just keeps going and going fades out pleasantly....so the journey goes on...

    • @davecrupel2817
      @davecrupel2817 8 років тому

      +thepeoplehateu that Stones Reach picture saved you from my wrath >.> belakor fans are too rare to abuse.....

    • @TheDogn
      @TheDogn 7 років тому +1

      Because that sounds like an experience we'd all love to have...

  • @magnushardt7433
    @magnushardt7433 7 років тому +21

    The intro from 0:00 to 1:14 is actually traditional Armenian folk song called "Dle Yaman" performed on duduk, which was transcribed by Komitas.

  • @WigglyWoobah
    @WigglyWoobah 7 років тому +13

    If you make shirts or hoodies with this art I'd be all over it.

  • @TauRhinoSaurus
    @TauRhinoSaurus 7 років тому +7

    One of the most interesting technical death metal albums I have heard in the last few years. Go Serdce!

  • @MrProgressor73
    @MrProgressor73 10 років тому +8

    just heard entire record and must say these guys are amazing

  • @NathanielPrinceCoulter
    @NathanielPrinceCoulter 9 років тому +5

    Absolutely fantastic. Great great great band. It never feels like they are bored with their mastery like so many of these super technical acts.

  • @TheDogn
    @TheDogn 7 років тому +14

    Nothing as brutal as being ripped from the sheltering sea of dissonant harmonic exctacential bliss between 3:03 and 3:30 only to be thrust head on into a fucking mr. clean commercial.

    • @ruin3r
      @ruin3r 7 років тому +6

      Not using Ad Block in [Current Year]?

    • @TheDogn
      @TheDogn 7 років тому +11

      Well I tend to support the channels I view, but I wasn't literally talking about an ad. I'm saying the beginning of the second song, especially in contrast with the end of the first, sound like a mr. clean commercial

    • @4bzu
      @4bzu 3 роки тому +2

      hahahah

  • @metal4bld
    @metal4bld 8 років тому +25

    I honestly just got blown away by this album.

  • @CUSTOMYZER
    @CUSTOMYZER 10 років тому +2

    One of the most beautiful Technical (avant-garde) Death Metal album! The fact these Guys are from Belarus even adds more value to the album! And Duduk sounds just heart-ripping! Thank You very much indeed, Guys!!!

  • @ineedmorenaruto
    @ineedmorenaruto 8 років тому +18

    i keep coming back for 56:20
    that sax!

    • @ondrejpavelka6929
      @ondrejpavelka6929 8 років тому +3

      +ineedmorenaruto Check Ihsahn ^^

    • @daviddelacruz659
      @daviddelacruz659 6 років тому

      Ondřej Pavelka And Kalisia, their album Cybion is the best Prog Death Album of all time.

  • @JustinBA007
    @JustinBA007 7 років тому +5

    I don't know how I've never been reccomended this band before. I've listened to so many progressive death metal bands and so many dream theaterish progressive bands and etc and this somehow never came up. I found this by looking at the related artists tab on WAYD's page of the metal archives.

  • @eldrjeit
    @eldrjeit 10 років тому +9

    Pues si todos estamos aquí por la reseña de Manuel. Buena banda, no son mis gustos, pero siempre es chingón encontrar otras manifestaciones artísticas con tanta fusión y con el metal como común denominador.

  • @ArthurDibden
    @ArthurDibden 9 років тому +4

    This is contemporary music at it's best ...well done!!!

  • @franciscomoreno800
    @franciscomoreno800 4 роки тому

    How beautiful. Bringing me tears of happiness. Good music still exists

  • @vadimnazarov9720
    @vadimnazarov9720 9 років тому +6

    О! То це Білоруський гурт! Приємно вражений! Мені дуже сподобалось! Дякую)))

  • @LightLeviathan
    @LightLeviathan 7 років тому +1

    Never been so blown away in my life. Too many words

  • @Cosmic_A.A.
    @Cosmic_A.A. 7 років тому +3

    3:50 Those guitar squeals are epic!

  • @horatiotrismegistus616
    @horatiotrismegistus616 8 років тому +6

    I don't think albums should be allowed to be this good...I am number 777, and I approve this message.

  • @metal4bld
    @metal4bld 8 років тому +12

    Fuck yes. I love when musicians incorporate heavy/evil sounds that aren't metal sounds into their metal.

  • @blurobotsoldier513
    @blurobotsoldier513 9 років тому +4

    wow... so much diversity. I am so amazed by this, I can't grasp it in words

  • @vldreck1
    @vldreck1 9 років тому +4

    Thank goodness for Belarus...geez, this is phenomenal! These guys are even larger break from the usual prog metal out there. I need to buy their CD's.

  • @myriadovi
    @myriadovi 8 років тому +3

    If it's alright with the band label and the band, I'd like to post the lyrics below and encourage you all to buy the album from bandcamp.
    - Into Shambhala -
    ...I'm following the way of labor,
    Following the way of faith's shield...
    I'm coming listening to my heart,
    My steps are persistence and tirelessness
    I'm looking for you,
    The land of the worthy and ambitious ones,
    Of souls shining with purity,
    For you, beyond the eye's reach,
    For evil and vice incorruptible land
    - Samadhi -
    Could you escape yourself
    Could you combine two selves,
    Where's your harmony's gate,
    How would you cheat the fate?
    I would chose one truth to follow
    I'll endow my heart with sense
    I'd look forward to tomorrow,
    Let is step inside my fence
    Stay in my arms of flowers here
    Beautiful life is up to be
    Take your chance of feeling free
    Can you see Samadhi?
    You are just mortal flesh
    Pliable to lie as to hash
    Are you so poisoned with
    Your intoxicant dreams?
    I would fight off any liar
    Burn myself on lie's bonfire
    Dreams are finite, lie's a threat,
    But my hope is infinite
    Of feeling free
    Can you see
    Samadhi?
    - Omens -
    Why are you here, what's the reason
    For you to count days and dusks
    To watch each coming circle of seasons
    Of life so splendid and at last
    Receive a mysterious message -
    For you assigned important presage
    Who are you here: hunter? prey?
    Would you die or would you stay?
    If you want to stay not to go astray
    Not to feel disgrace leave a trace
    What is your choice out of three:
    Death, oblivion, memory?
    Trace by fallen star near or so far
    Everlasting chase in the space
    You're here to have your daring say
    You have enormous love to ray
    And get reflected light without blame
    Cause you get what you once gave
    Listen to your voice
    Open your mind colours
    You have the omens for you
    That is your own choice
    Don't turn around and hollow
    Your lot into a new
    Why are you here, what's the clue
    In wisdom presented to you,
    In gentle words which stir and tease:
    "Accept the future as it is"
    Why are you here, high above
    All love embraced by even love?
    Maybe to judge and cast aside
    Your needless vanity and pride
    - Last Faith -
    Where are my foes?
    Being like shadows intrusive?
    They hunted me
    Until it was too late
    I'm like a doe
    So fleet of foot and elusive
    My secret trump is
    My own last faith
    So many times
    I had my wings broken and fell
    Embraced with thorns
    Up to regenerate
    So many times
    I gathered myself to rebel
    My major law is
    My own last faith
    Be yourself for living
    Be open to whom you are feeling
    Be closer to the sunlight
    When time's gone my hope is
    Lost in all these memories
    Seeking for the reasons
    I will burn down the joy
    To create I've got first to destroy
    Farewell to my love
    When I am forgotten
    And dreams will become rotten
    I will live in silence
    All I need is to see your eyes
    See in them your beautiful souls
    Feel the beat of your open hearts
    Open up your sincerity source
    All I need is to become wiser
    See you all at a glance
    Not causing pain to anyone
    Making needless your defence
    To stop breathing
    Is to stop believing
    No faith - no life
    Deny evil
    Don't look back and have free will
    Leaving your past
    - Loss Of Feelings Or Feeling Of Loss -
    Promise me a new life
    You know I like it most
    In that's the whole you are
    The spiral of the reasons
    Tired to survive
    Bring me back my home
    And I close my eyes
    Waiting for a surprise
    Lullaby injection
    Indifference infection
    It's too late to change or start all over
    Birds still sing but songs are getting lower
    Things must be pretentious to make me heady
    Does it mean that I am an emotions addict?
    Try to hurt me, fellow
    See I'm like a ghost
    All your knives and arrows
    Are just flying across
    Paper soldier
    Holed chest
    Growing older
    Losing zest
    Women come and vanish
    Streets are full of beggars
    Flowers grow and perish
    Nothing really matters
    Spill of cosmic shower
    In its flight endeavour
    Maybe I'll recover
    Maybe never ever
    - The Sixth Sense -
    Don't believe in rumors
    Sense will show the road
    Leading to the universe,
    To your real abode
    When you've abandoned
    Hopes for salvation
    All of a sudden
    Dawns inspiration
    Breaking through the ceiling
    Rises a rainbow
    Something you're feeling
    But cannot name now
    Enigmatic treasures
    In this final well
    Key for every question,
    Pearl for every shell
    Try again to forget
    The pain of growing wings
    Now you're falling, so let
    Your spirit trust the winds
    They will show you the truth
    And bestow on you the wisdom source
    Listen to no more lies
    Your inner voice alone
    Can be your guiding light
    Live a life your own
    Which is higher than peoples' eyes
    For you to be self-cognized
    Don't leave this sacred place
    Here's all origins and ends
    And remember to seize the days
    Follow your sixth sense
    - Unique path -
    Distant light is tempting
    To the gifts outside,
    Towards never ending
    Rainbows and delight
    Herald of the future,
    What've you brought for us?
    Adventures?
    Bell roulades?
    Don't seek your road
    It's in your blood
    Permanent scar
    Unique as you are
    But there is a danger
    Leading you to wrath
    To remain a stranger,
    Lose your unique path
    Everyone's a pilgrim
    Stiffen at the crossroads
    Unknown brim
    Appears to him
    Don't seek your road
    It's in your blood
    Permanent scar
    Unique as you are
    What you search for may arrive alone
    There you hear far above,
    Something that can't be shown
    Where you're near...
    The path, unique path...
    Free to go or not to
    He steps in the mist
    Free to chose, he's got to
    Give up or resist
    Free to leave behind
    Frankness... goodness ... fake ...
    Stars of a fallen kind
    Swimming in the lake
    - Quasar -
    We are losing face
    On the struggling way
    So many places
    We must pay
    Those who hold the billions
    Make them all with lies
    Leaving hungry millions
    Just before our eyes
    No, but neither you nor me
    And they will never make us free
    No, neither me nor you
    Let's go through fate
    To meet deja vu
    All shall be gone astray
    Nothing will remind of this day
    We can reach anywhere
    Setting life anew and share
    Soul concatenating
    Conscious elevating
    Putting symbols into traces
    Always taking different faces - quasar
    Fear feeds the chaos
    In our hearts inside
    Wasting blood for nothing
    Makes their peace of mind
    Parasites are hiding
    Behind the weakness shell
    It is always blinding
    Cultivating hell
    - Newborn -
    ~ instrumental ~
    - Magic Rain -
    Knock, knock fades in
    Magic rain steps
    Fake opinions
    Not on your lips
    Open all doors
    Flowers bloom
    Through the downpour
    Rainbows loom
    After a storm
    Comes a calm
    Then comes long-awaited peace
    Time will be painted with lives
    I found myself I can breath oh sky tears
    I see the light
    Space of the sun
    Trees all around
    I stopped running
    I'm lost and found
    Magic rain
    Save my eyes
    All the words are vain
    My mind rises
    I'm drunk with rain I can smile I feel no pain
    I found my way
    Stands still
    Clock without hands
    Sucked down in a swirl
    Stream expands
    Knock at my soul
    Purify my feelings
    Gentle flow
    I need it now

  • @mariogatino548
    @mariogatino548 6 років тому

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comment peut-on être aussi inspires musicalement et s'accompagner d'un chant aussi primaire ? Serdce est un groupe génial , d'une richesse sonore somptueuse
    et barbare , un pied de nez in-
    -incroyable au prog le plus médiatisé . Pour la première
    fois et grâce a eux je craque
    sans retenue sur le death....
    Mais c'est aussi tellement
    plus...il y a un esprit Stavinsky
    dans Timelessness..du bon goût et de l'outrance , de la folie et de la sagesse , de la sérénité et du tumulte , de la joie , un peu , et du désespoir , beaucoup ...La rage est déversée a travers une technique qui la rend captivante plus qu'effrayante.
    A écouter d'urgence , a faire circuler.Le chant , je le comprends maintenant....Un
    groupe magnifique...je suis
    touche en plein coeur..

  • @Iceberg6606
    @Iceberg6606 3 роки тому +1

    Simply incredible!!!

  • @lovecraftianopoe4306
    @lovecraftianopoe4306 9 років тому +2

    Es un disco extraordinario, hay mucho amor en lo que hacen estos jóvenes, excelente.

  • @Andries305
    @Andries305 9 років тому +2

    That intro... So incredibly fantastic... :o

  • @ericvulgate
    @ericvulgate 8 років тому +1

    love the artwork

  • @MrThekuykuykuykuy
    @MrThekuykuykuykuy 10 років тому +2

    Este álbum es una preciosidad. Lástima que este tipo de grupos tenga tan poca repercusión... Se merecen llegar lejos. Ojalá lo consigan.

  • @tataberia9894
    @tataberia9894 8 років тому +3

    beautiful!!!

  • @sylwesterengel473
    @sylwesterengel473 9 років тому +1

    Super .Fantastisches Spiel.Taką muzykę trzeba tworzyć ...

  • @avataraabraksas
    @avataraabraksas 2 роки тому +1

    И Sadist тоже. Помню когда вышел из первый альбом. Это была бомба. Мы в студенческие годы даже пытались дозвониться с друзьями до ударника (он тогда исполнял роль менеджера вроде), но его не было. Трубку взял его отец, обещал передать респект.

  • @BorNeoProg
    @BorNeoProg 6 років тому +1

    Someone shared this album art in Prog Snob!
    Decided to look them up on you tube.
    then DAAAAAMN!!!!!!!!!!! This is just on another spiritual plane!

  • @DanishNecrofilth
    @DanishNecrofilth 8 років тому +4

    Bloody hell this is SO brilliant!

  • @vladimirkorshunov4373
    @vladimirkorshunov4373 7 років тому +1

    Incredible bijou. Masterpiece!

  • @georgebokos
    @georgebokos 8 років тому +3

    Absolutely great album!!!!!

  • @DentApSten
    @DentApSten 9 років тому

    I went back to my youtube tab to comment on the awesomeness of this album and I saw I'm 35 minutes in and it feels like just a moment ago I played it. It is so epic.

  • @maxpin63
    @maxpin63 2 роки тому

    First contact today 😳. Wooooow i am on my knees.. cannot get enough ! Excellent😍 Thanx for this Great great Album !

  • @YuriTovstoganStudio
    @YuriTovstoganStudio 10 років тому

    good job, thanks for the fun!!!

  • @ArcanEntropy
    @ArcanEntropy 3 роки тому +1

    Un' altra fantastica band conosciuta grazie a METALLIZED !! Cheers from Italy 👏

  • @nikoskapa1519
    @nikoskapa1519 2 роки тому

    Such a masterpiece, beautiful!

  •  6 років тому

    Awesome album, blows me away every time !

  • @dcodfert
    @dcodfert 3 роки тому

    Amazing album, intro and fretless "touch" bass !!!!
    💎💎💎💎

  • @morallyemptycorruptedmaggot
    @morallyemptycorruptedmaggot 6 років тому

    Finally, i found another album that's worthy of replaying over and over again. This is top tier metal!

  • @cristianhggomez
    @cristianhggomez 4 роки тому +1

    EXCELENTE BANDA, HACIA AÑOS QUE NO LA ESCUCHABA

  • @brauliosantillanacevedo837
    @brauliosantillanacevedo837 8 років тому +4

    Que forma tan cabrona de terminar el disco!!!!!! todo el album está padrísimo y lo aterrizan bien chingón!!!!

  • @undeadsamurai8590
    @undeadsamurai8590 8 років тому +2

    Reminds me of a very progressive Mr. Bungle. Omg I'm in love.

  • @brianreed5349
    @brianreed5349 5 років тому

    More people need to know about this hidden Jim this is a monster of an Album!!!
    Love it!

  • @TheHucore
    @TheHucore 9 років тому

    soo sweet

  • @jorgesosa4101
    @jorgesosa4101 4 роки тому +1

    ME VOLÓ LA CABEZA, QUE DISCAZO....

  • @rizalooscorner1924
    @rizalooscorner1924 10 років тому

    This is some crazy stuff! WEnt out and bought album after hearing this.

  • @egvatron
    @egvatron 9 років тому +1

    just an exquisite album!

  • @PureCore
    @PureCore 8 років тому +1

    Masterpiece.

  • @dannyflores5920
    @dannyflores5920 3 роки тому

    Brillant!!!

  • @speedtomas
    @speedtomas 10 років тому +2

    I wanna buy this album so bad.

  • @RebelQueenAmelia
    @RebelQueenAmelia 3 роки тому

    Every Blood Music band is so good istg

  • @vejymonsta3006
    @vejymonsta3006 9 років тому +1

    Holy shit... O.O this is amazing...

  • @youssefyassini8929
    @youssefyassini8929 2 роки тому

    Love intro specialy 💓

  • @mybiglenovo
    @mybiglenovo Рік тому

    Definitely some echos of Gong in here - love it. Also love the duduk intro.

  • @erdemilgar9723
    @erdemilgar9723 5 років тому +1

    The intro is godlike, so the album is. But they belongs the different universe.

  • @jairoelias5101
    @jairoelias5101 10 років тому +4

    Que disco mas bizarro, según avanza le encontras el gusto
    . tiene de todo.....recomendable

  • @emTom
    @emTom 8 років тому

    I've been listening to this while I was learning.... I never thought this kind of music could help, but it did lol

  • @santiagotubee
    @santiagotubee 7 років тому

    awesome

  • @djbone94
    @djbone94 9 років тому

    incredible !!! What's that !!!!

  • @stalin_paul
    @stalin_paul 8 років тому +1

    Joder, qué gran joya

    • @rikki0602
      @rikki0602 8 років тому +1

      Jajaja me pasa lo mismo

  • @WaxWolfOFFICIAL
    @WaxWolfOFFICIAL 9 років тому

    big ups from italy

  • @MP-qe1jr
    @MP-qe1jr 9 років тому

    Nice...

  • @kpdtox
    @kpdtox 7 років тому +1

    wow.beautiful intro.

    • @christnylava9029
      @christnylava9029 7 років тому +2

      Intro it's for Armenian genocide, intro it's Armenian song..what the fuck in here

  • @geor.8236
    @geor.8236 8 років тому

    Good music of this band and album, upload albums and all the missing songs Serdce

  • @yngwieblasvelasco5532
    @yngwieblasvelasco5532 10 років тому +1

    Me encanto BANDOTA

  • @Filth13
    @Filth13 9 років тому

    absulotely sounds from heaven

  • @MrZombieplague
    @MrZombieplague 9 років тому +1

    Just started listening to this the first couple tracks remind me of Haken but heavier :D Love it!

  • @theforcespot1172
    @theforcespot1172 6 років тому

    Me hace sentir tenso... tendré que escucharlo después otra vez... Es muy... extraño😯

  • @Letitslam
    @Letitslam 6 років тому +1

    No doubt in my top 10 of progressive death

  • @user-wu5co5hb6e
    @user-wu5co5hb6e Рік тому

    It is the compilation from Death, Sadist, Atheist, Cynic, Nocturnus etc.

  • @luvargo
    @luvargo 8 років тому

    so epic intro

  • @peterdee5609
    @peterdee5609 8 років тому

    Awesome shit. 👍🏼

  • @metal4bld
    @metal4bld 8 років тому +3

    that transition in the beginning almost makes me angry. I'm so drawn into the relaxing music and its such a contrast

    • @eastwaters4082
      @eastwaters4082 4 роки тому

      That's what metal is about. Varied, intense, snd unsuspecting.

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel2817 8 років тому +5

    even after that sweet little piece that came after, i LOATHE that EVIL music box for breaking the vibe of that first song in such a vicious way the likes of which ive never before been dealt in my vast variety of music learning....

    • @TheDogn
      @TheDogn 7 років тому

      See my comment up top XD

  •  6 років тому

    Good stuff, easy to listen to although very heavy

  • @vedderorgasmatron2218
    @vedderorgasmatron2218 10 років тому

    ROMPE MADRES ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

  • @zoedogam13
    @zoedogam13 5 років тому +1

    chingon

  • @danielborchowitz2480
    @danielborchowitz2480 9 років тому

    serdce ist der hammer

  • @ItsFinigan
    @ItsFinigan 3 роки тому

    I'm glad the keyboardist is going ham as well. Vocalist reminds me of Ronnie from BOO sometimes

  • @klausherbert3040
    @klausherbert3040 8 років тому

    Strong early Sadist vibe!!

  • @hericiumcoralloides5025
    @hericiumcoralloides5025 4 роки тому

    To get real nerdy about it, this sounds like if Martyr was a jazz band influenced by metal instead of being a metal band influenced by jazz. That plus Mr Bungle. Wild wild stuff.

  • @ericdawson5763
    @ericdawson5763 9 років тому +4

    Was anyone else really thrown off by the 180 it does at the beginning?

    • @jerg6195
      @jerg6195 4 роки тому

      It's a metal album. With that said...how did you not know?

  • @arjuni10
    @arjuni10 10 років тому

    Fucking amazing!

  • @vikingsplayvideogames8446
    @vikingsplayvideogames8446 9 років тому

    That duduk, bro.

  • @buddhamisanthrope8021
    @buddhamisanthrope8021 8 років тому

    The first thing that came in my mind is that is sounds like Unexpect but less dissonant and deconstructed.
    But this musical difference allows to experience different feelings and emotions. I also like the lyrics.

    • @sorenbuenneke6434
      @sorenbuenneke6434 2 роки тому

      I thought the same thing, but they’re a little more consistent in tone and sound than Unexpect, and there is a lot more Cynic-esque sounds in there

  • @gnava7488
    @gnava7488 6 років тому

    👏🌠🌋

  • @Sekei..
    @Sekei.. 8 років тому +1

    I like when it goes full tango at 7:25

    • @MVenk
      @MVenk 7 років тому

      More like salsa

  • @waaabybbb9315
    @waaabybbb9315 8 років тому +1

    What's the name of the first instrument we hear ?

  • @felipeignaciomedinaaguiler2409
    @felipeignaciomedinaaguiler2409 10 років тому +1

    Estan geniales

  • @darkone9581
    @darkone9581 8 років тому

    holly hell was walking fell into hell when intro got all midevil lol bad ass yo i like this

  • @martialbessou6743
    @martialbessou6743 Рік тому +1

    Désolé j ai attendu 8 ans
    Mais ça valait la peine

  • @lacalaveradesuabuela877
    @lacalaveradesuabuela877 10 років тому

    !!!!!

  • @fernandotodia4750
    @fernandotodia4750 9 років тому

    q buen disco

  • @ya723
    @ya723 9 років тому +1

    any one realize about the Mike Olfield tubular bells inspiration at the 30:00 minute song?

  • @testrabbit
    @testrabbit 2 роки тому +1

    this kinda reminds me of something like Cynic... it's interesting and different.

  • @matthewmcclory8794
    @matthewmcclory8794 6 років тому

    Halloween theme melody during Loss of Feelings or Feeling of Loss?